Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Well really, it sounds like his labs did show the shift between the TH1/TH2 immune response w/what you mentioned about the CD4/CD8 ratio ... but I've never understood how to read that. My son's labs were like yours ... mainly the shift on the immune panel, and little to no viral titers. The viral titers showed up after antivirals. My son made tremendous incredible gains on the protocol. HTH ________________________________ From: rohi_03 <rohi_03@...> Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 10:00:47 AM Subject: Re: New member Qn  Thanks! So I am assuming what you are saying is that Dr G would likely treat using the approach even if the labwork was not abnormal, if the history of the patient indicates signs of immune dysfunction. Am I understanding it right? > > > Lab work does not stand alone. It must be taken into context with the history(and that includes family history) and the physical. Lab work only reflects the time that it was taken not what the levels were historically. > on > > > > > > > New member Qn > > > > > Hi folks.. > I did the panel of tests recommended by Dr G in the website for my son with high functioning autism. None of the markers were abnormal, except for the CD8 cells higher than ref range, and so the CD4/CD8 ratio is is low. He didn't have any high titres except for coxsackieB4 which was 1:80. His gliadin Igg antibody was high (31) and he has several food sensitivites based on the Igg panel; so he is on a restricted diet. Rest of all the tests were in ref range. > In light of this, does this mean that immunemodulation/antiviral therapy etc as per the approach may not be useful for him? Logistically, it is very hard for us to travel anywhere, esp to Dr G across the country will be extremely hard, so I wonder what to do. Does Dr G do review of lab tests and then determine if the kid is a candidate or is it automatically assumed that if the kid has asd, then nids trt is required even if the lab tests are not indicating that direction. Thanks a bunch for any advise! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Many of these kids show near normal levels for viral tiers before the antiviral treatments. Once the antiviral protocol has been in place a more clear picture develops. My son as with many others saw huge spikes in viral tiers once the immune system started to defend the body against the infection. My son tripled three months in. From: <thecolemans4@...> Subject: Re: Re: New member Qn Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:30 PM Â Well really, it sounds like his labs did show the shift between the TH1/TH2 immune response w/what you mentioned about the CD4/CD8 ratio ... but I've never understood how to read that. My son's labs were like yours ... mainly the shift on the immune panel, and little to no viral titers. The viral titers showed up after antivirals. My son made tremendous incredible gains on the protocol. HTH ________________________________ From: rohi_03 <rohi_03@...> Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 10:00:47 AM Subject: Re: New member Qn Thanks! So I am assuming what you are saying is that Dr G would likely treat using the approach even if the labwork was not abnormal, if the history of the patient indicates signs of immune dysfunction. Am I understanding it right? > > > Lab work does not stand alone. It must be taken into context with the history(and that includes family history) and the physical. Lab work only reflects the time that it was taken not what the levels were historically. > on > > > > > > > New member Qn > > > > > Hi folks.. > I did the panel of tests recommended by Dr G in the website for my son with high functioning autism. None of the markers were abnormal, except for the CD8 cells higher than ref range, and so the CD4/CD8 ratio is is low. He didn't have any high titres except for coxsackieB4 which was 1:80. His gliadin Igg antibody was high (31) and he has several food sensitivites based on the Igg panel; so he is on a restricted diet. Rest of all the tests were in ref range. > In light of this, does this mean that immunemodulation/antiviral therapy etc as per the approach may not be useful for him? Logistically, it is very hard for us to travel anywhere, esp to Dr G across the country will be extremely hard, so I wonder what to do. Does Dr G do review of lab tests and then determine if the kid is a candidate or is it automatically assumed that if the kid has asd, then nids trt is required even if the lab tests are not indicating that direction. Thanks a bunch for any advise! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 We wee on Valtrex and his system was up and down. We changed to Acyclovir and rapidly Connors system settled down. Dr G also uses famir. From: rohi_03 <rohi_03@...> Subject: Re: New member Qn Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 3:43 PM Â Thanks a lot, and Bill. It is encouraging to know that there is still hope if the viral titres are not high! So it looks like a similar situation that they describe for lyme patients, that they have to be on antibiotics for few mths before the immune system actually begin to produce antibodies to fight the bacteria, and that's when you see them in the blood. Am I understanding right that it's the same concept with the viruses as well? One of the several things that I am struggling to understand also is that I read valtrex mainly has activity against herpes, and not effective against measles or HHV6, which are mainly implicated in autism. So if a child has immune issues due to measles or hhv6, are there antiviral drugs that are available to be used? Can something be done then? Thanks again. > > > > > > > > > Lab work does not stand alone. It must be taken into context with the history(and that includes family history) and the physical. Lab work only reflects the time that it was taken not what the levels were historically. > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New member Qn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi folks.. > > > I did the panel of tests recommended by Dr G in the website for my son with high functioning autism. None of the markers were abnormal, except for the CD8 cells higher than ref range, and so the CD4/CD8 ratio is is low. He didn't have any high titres except for coxsackieB4 which was 1:80. His gliadin Igg antibody was high (31) and he has several food sensitivites based on the Igg panel; so he is on a restricted diet. Rest of all the tests were in ref range. > > > In light of this, does this mean that immunemodulation/antiviral therapy etc as per the approach may not be useful for him? Logistically, it is very hard for us to travel anywhere, esp to Dr G across the country will be extremely hard, so I wonder what to do. Does Dr G do review of lab tests and then determine if the kid is a candidate or is it automatically assumed that if the kid has asd, then nids trt is required even if the lab tests are not indicating that direction. Thanks a bunch for any advise! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2010 Report Share Posted July 10, 2010 Isn’t Hhv6 a herpes virus? Kristy Nardini TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com kristy@... Phone: 858.243.1929 Fax: 858.724.1418 P Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of rohi_03 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 12:43 PM Subject: Re: New member Qn Thanks a lot, and Bill. It is encouraging to know that there is still hope if the viral titres are not high! So it looks like a similar situation that they describe for lyme patients, that they have to be on antibiotics for few mths before the immune system actually begin to produce antibodies to fight the bacteria, and that's when you see them in the blood. Am I understanding right that it's the same concept with the viruses as well? One of the several things that I am struggling to understand also is that I read valtrex mainly has activity against herpes, and not effective against measles or HHV6, which are mainly implicated in autism. So if a child has immune issues due to measles or hhv6, are there antiviral drugs that are available to be used? Can something be done then? Thanks again. > > From: <thecolemans4@...> > Subject: Re: Re: New member Qn > <mailto:%40> > Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:30 PM > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Well really, it sounds like his labs did show the shift between the TH1/TH2 immune response w/what you mentioned about the CD4/CD8 ratio ... but I've never understood how to read that. > > My son's labs were like yours ... mainly the shift on the immune panel, and little to no viral titers. The viral titers showed up after antivirals. My son made tremendous incredible gains on the protocol. > > HTH > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: rohi_03 <rohi_03@...> > > <mailto:%40> > > Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 10:00:47 AM > > Subject: Re: New member Qn > > > > > > Thanks! So I am assuming what you are saying is that Dr G would likely treat using the approach even if the labwork was not abnormal, if the history of the patient indicates signs of immune dysfunction. Am I understanding it right? > > > > --- In <mailto:%40> , JOSKAT95@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lab work does not stand alone. It must be taken into context with the history(and that includes family history) and the physical. Lab work only reflects the time that it was taken not what the levels were historically. > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New member Qn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi folks.. > > > I did the panel of tests recommended by Dr G in the website for my son with high functioning autism. None of the markers were abnormal, except for the CD8 cells higher than ref range, and so the CD4/CD8 ratio is is low. He didn't have any high titres except for coxsackieB4 which was 1:80. His gliadin Igg antibody was high (31) and he has several food sensitivites based on the Igg panel; so he is on a restricted diet. Rest of all the tests were in ref range. > > > In light of this, does this mean that immunemodulation/antiviral therapy etc as per the approach may not be useful for him? Logistically, it is very hard for us to travel anywhere, esp to Dr G across the country will be extremely hard, so I wonder what to do. Does Dr G do review of lab tests and then determine if the kid is a candidate or is it automatically assumed that if the kid has asd, then nids trt is required even if the lab tests are not indicating that direction. Thanks a bunch for any advise! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 HHV6 is Human Herpes Virus so, yes, it is Herpes. Laureen On 7/10/10 1:27 PM, " Kristy Nardini " <knardini@...> wrote: > > > > > > Isn¹t Hhv6 a herpes virus? > > Kristy Nardini > TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles > <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com > kristy@... <mailto:kristy%40tazzini.com> > Phone: 858.243.1929 > Fax: 858.724.1418 > > P Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > From: <mailto:%40> > [mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of > rohi_03 > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 12:43 PM > <mailto:%40> > Subject: Re: New member Qn > > > Thanks a lot, and Bill. > It is encouraging to know that there is still hope if the viral titres are > not high! So it looks like a similar situation that they describe for lyme > patients, that they have to be on antibiotics for few mths before the immune > system actually begin to produce antibodies to fight the bacteria, and > that's when you see them in the blood. Am I understanding right that it's > the same concept with the viruses as well? > One of the several things that I am struggling to understand also is that I > read valtrex mainly has activity against herpes, and not effective against > measles or HHV6, which are mainly implicated in autism. So if a child has > immune issues due to measles or hhv6, are there antiviral drugs that are > available to be used? Can something be done then? Thanks again. > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > Lab work does not stand alone. It must be taken into context with the > history(and that includes family history) and the physical. Lab work only > reflects the time that it was taken not what the levels were historically. >> > >>> > > on >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > New member Qn >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > Hi folks.. >> > >>> > > I did the panel of tests recommended by Dr G in the website for my > son with high functioning autism. None of the markers were abnormal, except > for the CD8 cells higher than ref range, and so the CD4/CD8 ratio is is low. > He didn't have any high titres except for coxsackieB4 which was 1:80. His > gliadin Igg antibody was high (31) and he has several food sensitivites > based on the Igg panel; so he is on a restricted diet. Rest of all the tests > were in ref range. >> > >>> > > In light of this, does this mean that immunemodulation/antiviral therapy > etc as per the approach may not be useful for him? Logistically, it is > very hard for us to travel anywhere, esp to Dr G across the country will be > extremely hard, so I wonder what to do. Does Dr G do review of lab tests and > then determine if the kid is a candidate or is it automatically assumed > that if the kid has asd, then nids trt is required even if the lab tests are > not indicating that direction. Thanks a bunch for any advise! >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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