ADHD

[Guest guest]

How can we order that kit? I am from the USA but would love to know what is

in it and what to use it for at home. Thanks for the info.

Michel

>From: Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...>

>Reply-Vaccinations

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: ADHD

>Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:17:34 +0000

>

>At 04:19 PM 03/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:

> >Yes, I'm sure the vaccines are an added ingredient, but this particular

>child I mentioned, he behaves for others (his father for example). And

>it's not even so much that he's misbehaving or throwing tantrums or

>anything, he just knows he can make his mom jump through hoops, and so he

>does. Even a 3 year old can figure out that if he does what he wants long

>enough, even if mom disagrees, he may get a treat out of it in the end!

> >

> >I think these days too many parents want their children to be their

> " buddies " and are afraid to upset them (I've heard them say as much).

>Instead of dealing with normal childish testing and boundary pushing, some

>parents don't want to do anything to upset the child.

> >

>

>But that is a symptom of their dynamic which can also be dealt with

>homeopathic - child and adult treatment.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Look at food allergies, imbalance in the intestinal flora, DNA, brain waves,

brain chemistry

balance, brain structure (especially basal ganglia, frontal lobe, and reticular

formation),

and homeopathics.

tiredortoxic wrote:

> Can anyone help with protocols etc for a 7 year old girl,

> undernourished, on ritalin with ADHD? Treatment will be by subspace

> only. Many thanks, in advance. Penny

>

> ............................................

>

>

[Guest guest]

Also look at Sekebal site, very interesting re: ADHD, Aspergers etc. Info about this site was given at the most recent QXCI seminar.

Celia

n a message dated 09/03/03 22:44:56 GMT Standard Time, penny@... writes:

Can anyone help with protocols etc for a 7 year old girl,

undernourished, on ritalin with ADHD? Treatment will be by subspace

only. Many thanks, in advance. Penny

[Guest guest]

Have you read the text on ADHD that Bill has in the EEG panel? I just happened to be reading it this morning. He points out the parts of the brain that are involved and their functions. In addition to treating the whole child with QX, following the dietary protocol (getting back to whole foods and cutting all additives), I would treat from this EEG panel including the LEAP learning button and then treat whichever parts of the brain are indicated from the sarcode panel as well.

I'm currently treating my own 7 year old daughter for unusually limited attention (good veggie diet, no drugs).

Good luck!

Jen

[Guest guest]

Have you check for allergies to CORN??, wheat, ,milk ect

ADHD

> Can anyone help with protocols etc for a 7 year old girl,

> undernourished, on ritalin with ADHD? Treatment will be by subspace

> only. Many thanks, in advance. Penny

>

>

>

> ............................................

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ann and Rob

There is lot to investigate in this case. I have had many successes on

ADD/ADHD and the whole spectrum autistic conditions. First please let your

client know it can take many months.

Following steps:

A) Traditional Protocols to establish a benchmark

1) First obtain hair test to establish heavy metal loading and nutritional

profile. I use Doctors Data for this test. Most of the time this will reveal

Mercury ( transferred from the mother and from the vaccinations). Also you

may find Aluminium, Antimony and Arsenic. These are the 3A's kids attract.

2)Do blood test for virus loading

3) Medical evaluation, i.e. Behaviour, reading retention etc

QXCI Protocols

1) Auto Zap vaccination

2) Auto Zap Pathogens

3) For high resonating frequencies please do revers psychic attacks etc

4) Fatty acid stimulation

5) Spinal programme; amazing how much you will discover here. Also

sympathetic and para sympathetic nervous system balance

6) ECC treat until Normal pattern is maximised

7) Nutritional panel to deal with digestion issues

8) NLP fear etc and also unconscious reactivity panel

9) In addition to QXCI worm treatment may herbal worm treatment

10) Allergy treatment

Obviously you cannot do everything on the first day so you need to decide

and prioritise. Ther are many other treatments within the QX

C) Other Protocols

1) Coromega fatty acid supplement 3 times more bios available than what is

in the market for 6 months

2) Transfer factor see website www.my4life.com/dayandra Dosage up to 3 to 9

capsules per day . For NK cell activity and vaccination issues

3) Nutrition and Detox via MediClear from Thorn Research see website

www.thorn.com dosage as per thorn booklet

4) Captomar for heavy metal detox

After three to six months redo the hair test and you will see improved

nutrional profile and heavy metal below the accepted levels. This takes time

however good results. I get many clients as referrals from this protocol.

Also please remember the dietary changes are very essential .

I hope this will help you. Regards Dayandra

ADHD

>

>

> > Can anyone help with protocols etc for a 7 year old girl,

> > undernourished, on ritalin with ADHD? Treatment will be by subspace

> > only. Many thanks, in advance. Penny

> >

> >

> >

> > ............................................

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Dayandra,

Thanks for your very helpful outline.

Can you please explain how to " Do revers psychic attacks for high

resonating frequencies " ?

Thanks

Maxwell

At 10:42 PM 12/03/03 +1300, you wrote:

Dear Ann and Rob

There is lot to investigate in this case. I have had many successes

on

ADD/ADHD and the whole spectrum autistic conditions. First please let

your

client know it can take many months.

Following steps:

A) Traditional Protocols to establish a benchmark

1) First obtain hair test to establish heavy metal loading and

nutritional

profile. I use Doctors Data for this test. Most of the time this will

reveal

Mercury ( transferred from the mother and from the vaccinations).

Also you

may find Aluminium, Antimony and Arsenic. These are the 3A's kids

attract.

2)Do blood test for virus loading

3) Medical evaluation, i.e. Behaviour, reading retention etc

QXCI Protocols

1) Auto Zap vaccination

2) Auto Zap Pathogens

3) For high resonating frequencies please do revers psychic

attacks etc

4) Fatty acid stimulation

5) Spinal programme; amazing how much you will discover here. Also

sympathetic and para sympathetic nervous system balance

6) ECC treat until Normal pattern is maximised

7) Nutritional panel to deal with digestion issues

8) NLP fear etc and also unconscious reactivity panel

9) In addition to QXCI worm treatment may herbal worm treatment

10) Allergy treatment

Obviously you cannot do everything on the first day so you need to

decide

and prioritise. Ther are many other treatments within the QX

C) Other Protocols

1) Coromega fatty acid supplement 3 times more bios available than what

is

in the market for 6 months

2) Transfer factor see website

www.my4life.com/dayandra

Dosage up to 3 to 9

capsules per day . For NK cell activity and vaccination issues

3) Nutrition and Detox via MediClear from Thorn Research see website

www.thorn.com dosage as per thorn booklet

4) Captomar for heavy metal detox

After three to six months redo the hair test and you will see improved

nutrional profile and heavy metal below the accepted levels. This takes time

however good results. I get many clients as referrals from this protocol.

Also please remember the dietary changes are very essential .

I hope this will help you. Regards Dayandra

ADHD

>

>

> > Can anyone help with protocols etc for a 7 year old girl,

> > undernourished, on ritalin with ADHD? Treatment will be by subspace

> > only. Many thanks, in advance. Penny

> >

> >

> >

> > ............................................

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Dayandra

Thanks for your detailed protocol

I would like to know where you see the high resonating frequencies. Maybe in EEG under Organ Electric Patterns(oscillating frequencies) and regarding fatty acid stimulation is there any other way to enter it besides Cancer Therapy.

Regarding 6) you wrote ECC. Did you mean EEG treating brainwaves

Regards

Bianca

Questions to the group

I would like to know the meaning of hyperreactivity dysfunction under risks on referral panel and if it is treated by Reactivity Disease entered by Cancer Therapy?

What is the meaning of Oscillating Frequnecies mentioned above?

Best regards

Bianca

[Guest guest]

Celia could you please give us the address for this site. Many thanks

Re: ADHD

Also look at Sekebal site, very interesting re: ADHD, Aspergers etc. Info about this site was given at the most recent QXCI seminar.Celian a message dated 09/03/03 22:44:56 GMT Standard Time, penny@... writes:

Can anyone help with protocols etc for a 7 year old girl, undernourished, on ritalin with ADHD? Treatment will be by subspace only. Many thanks, in advance. Penny............................................

[Guest guest]

The address is sekebal.com. Hope it helps.

Love and light - Celia

In a message dated 17/03/03 16:43:47 GMT Standard Time, odells.k@... writes:

Celia could you please give us the address for this site. Many thanks

Re: ADHD

Also look at Sekebal site, very interesting re: ADHD, Aspergers etc. Info about this site was given at the most recent QXCI seminar.

Celia

n a message dated 09/03/03 22:44:56 GMT Standard Time, penny@... writes:

Can anyone help with protocols etc for a 7 year old girl,

undernourished, on ritalin with ADHD? Treatment will be by subspace

only. Many thanks, in advance. Penny

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/6/03 6:40:22 AM Central Daylight Time,

writes:

>

> Hello all, Wanted to know if any of your kids have been dx'd w/ ADHD,

> along w/the DS and the ASD.

>

> Jordan received that dx this week.

>

> I guess I will not jump until I have his medical check done for the

> thyroid, etc.

>

> thanks for any replies. debby

joined that club years ago. He is VERY active and difficulty attending

greatly interferes with his learning. We tried ritalin but that made him move

faster. We then used clonidine for a year or so but that seemed to make him

tired and irritable. He now takes adderall and it really helps to decrease the

impulsiveness and stay on task.

also has hypothyroid and is treated with synthroid. Before his thyroid

was diagnosed he was very tactily defensive and moody. Still has both of these

issues but not to the extreme it was.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/6/03 6:40:22 AM Central Daylight Time,

writes:

>

> Hello all, Wanted to know if any of your kids have been dx'd w/ ADHD,

> along w/the DS and the ASD.

>

> Jordan received that dx this week.

>

> I guess I will not jump until I have his medical check done for the

> thyroid, etc.

>

> thanks for any replies. debby

joined that club years ago. He is VERY active and difficulty attending

greatly interferes with his learning. We tried ritalin but that made him move

faster. We then used clonidine for a year or so but that seemed to make him

tired and irritable. He now takes adderall and it really helps to decrease the

impulsiveness and stay on task.

also has hypothyroid and is treated with synthroid. Before his thyroid

was diagnosed he was very tactily defensive and moody. Still has both of these

issues but not to the extreme it was.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

Karyn,

How old is ? How old was he when you started him on the meds?

Jordan is just 4 years and 7 months. Hate the thought of putting him on

medicine. However, the doctor thinks it will help him slow down so he

will be able to learn.

- debby (mom to Jordan)

joined that club years ago. He is VERY active and difficulty

attending

greatly interferes with his learning. We tried ritalin but that made him

move

faster. We then used clonidine for a year or so but that seemed to make

him

tired and irritable. He now takes adderall and it really helps to

decrease the

impulsiveness and stay on task.

also has hypothyroid and is treated with synthroid. Before his

thyroid

was diagnosed he was very tactily defensive and moody. Still has both of

these

issues but not to the extreme it was.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

Karyn,

How old is ? How old was he when you started him on the meds?

Jordan is just 4 years and 7 months. Hate the thought of putting him on

medicine. However, the doctor thinks it will help him slow down so he

will be able to learn.

- debby (mom to Jordan)

joined that club years ago. He is VERY active and difficulty

attending

greatly interferes with his learning. We tried ritalin but that made him

move

faster. We then used clonidine for a year or so but that seemed to make

him

tired and irritable. He now takes adderall and it really helps to

decrease the

impulsiveness and stay on task.

also has hypothyroid and is treated with synthroid. Before his

thyroid

was diagnosed he was very tactily defensive and moody. Still has both of

these

issues but not to the extreme it was.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/20/03 6:52:42 AM Central Daylight Time,

writes:

> Karyn,

>

> How old is ? How old was he when you started him on the meds?

> Jordan is just 4 years and 7 months. Hate the thought of putting him on

> medicine. However, the doctor thinks it will help him slow down so he

> will be able to learn.

>

> - debby (mom to Jordan)

Debby,

is adopted and didn't come into our lives until he was 7 years old. I

can definitely understand about medicating a child so young. Really way the

pros and cons. I also would be very picky about the effects of a medication and

not keep him on anything that you doubt the effectiveness of. One thing that

needs to be factored in is the learning that a child is missing without the help

of medication.

Due to other health issues we didn't start on medications until he was

9 years old. Unfortunately he had many neg. behaviors firmly in his repetoire

by then and hard to change.

Good luck,

Karyn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/20/03 6:52:42 AM Central Daylight Time,

writes:

> Karyn,

>

> How old is ? How old was he when you started him on the meds?

> Jordan is just 4 years and 7 months. Hate the thought of putting him on

> medicine. However, the doctor thinks it will help him slow down so he

> will be able to learn.

>

> - debby (mom to Jordan)

Debby,

is adopted and didn't come into our lives until he was 7 years old. I

can definitely understand about medicating a child so young. Really way the

pros and cons. I also would be very picky about the effects of a medication and

not keep him on anything that you doubt the effectiveness of. One thing that

needs to be factored in is the learning that a child is missing without the help

of medication.

Due to other health issues we didn't start on medications until he was

9 years old. Unfortunately he had many neg. behaviors firmly in his repetoire

by then and hard to change.

Good luck,

Karyn

[Guest guest]

hi

If you need ADHD information, feel free to email me off list at

KissmeKaate@...

Karyn

[ ]ADHD

Hi everyone,

I wanted to throw something out to all of you. is 5 going on 6

in Dec. is doing really well and making nice progress but he is pretty much at

a stand still with learning due to his limited attention span. We did not

send him to kindergardten this year to this issue.

s teachers, therapists and physicians are recommending we begin to

try some meds for attention issues and I/m scared to death to try it. On the

other hand, I really fearthat if we don't try something, he's going to be

left in the lurch. He is so distracted but not hyper.

Anyways, Let me hear your stories esp. what has and hasn't worked.

THANKS-

[Guest guest]

: Hey, this whole ADHD issue is near and dear to my heart

these days. My 8 year old daughter was dx with ADHD about 18 months

ago, and has been on a variety of stimulant meds, (ritalin, adderall,

concerta). They seem to give her the attention span at school, so

her teachers loved the meds and her! However, she had some tough

withdrawl symptoms at home, which made our home-life tough to take.

So, I am going through the research efforts to see what I can do to

help , and here are some of the things I have found out so far:

1. First, I have heard that ADHD can also be a result of heavy

metals, yeast, etc. So, I am on another list, who are treating

their kids through bio-medical interventions. Most of these kids

are autistic, nevertheless, the treatments are similar. One mother

has a 4 year autistic son. Her daughter was dx with ADHD around 6

years old and she used the traditional ritalin, etc. However, when

she started treating her autistic son with his yeast issue, she

thought, " Hey, maybe it will help my daughter? " She had her

daughter tested for yeast overgrowth (OAT test through Great Plains)

and sure enough, she had lots of yeast. So, she got a script for

Nystatin to give to her daughter. , this mom tells me that

within days of starting Nystatin...her teachers called her to report

that she was completely a different kid. That was when she was in

4th grade. This girl is now in junior-high and taking AP courses.

2. I have also heard that aluminum (another metal) contributes to

shortened attention-span. I don't quite know what to do with that

information, except that if there is aluminum present in his system,

maybe there is a way to get that out?

3. I have heard that Dr. Chez in Lake Bluff, IL is really awesome at

treating ADHD patients...we just made an appointment to see him for

in October. 's current doctor is willing to give us a

prescription for Strattera, however, she told us right out that IF we

use Strattera, she doesn't want us to supplement with anything

else, including EFA's. says that EFA's helped her son Dakota

big-time, and has been off medications for his ADHD. So, I am

presently using EFA's for , and I don't want to give those up,

just to get strattera. Dilemma!

Finally, I have been told that ADHD is a big puzzle, and not all kids

respond to the same intervention. For some kids, a change in diet is

the right response. One kid's symptoms all but disappeared when they

stopped feeding him processed meats (hotdogs, bologna) and that

nitrates were the culrit. Some moms say that yeast was the big

answer. Another mom thinks it is the metals? WHo knows?

Sorry for the long reply, hope this helps....e-mail me anytime if

you want to!

Kim

> Hi everyone,

> I wanted to throw something out to all of you. is 5

going on 6

> in Dec. is doing really well and making nice progress but he is

pretty much at

> a stand still with learning due to his limited attention span. We

did not

> send him to kindergardten this year to this issue.

>

> s teachers, therapists and physicians are recommending

we begin to

> try some meds for attention issues and I/m scared to death to try

it. On the

> other hand, I really fearthat if we don't try something, he's going

to be

> left in the lurch. He is so distracted but not hyper.

>

> Anyways, Let me hear your stories esp. what has and hasn't worked.

>

> THANKS-

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've read that Apple Pectin (which is supposedly safe to use and you can get

at the Health Food Store) is good for high Aluminum. My son's hair test was

off the charts for Aluminum but the only Apple Pectin I've found so far is

tablet form and he won't swallow a tablet.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Boy do I feel like we are in the same boat! Would love to hear peoples

responses since we are very reluctant to get involved in any medication for our

son

who turned 6 in August.

[Guest guest]

I know nothing about pectin and aluminum. I think you can get pectin

in the grocery store in a little package that looks like a package of

Jell-O, and I think it is located near the gelatin, too, at least in

our local store. People use it for making jam or jelly. It may not be

from apples, though; pectin also comes from other fruits. But if it

doesn't have to be apple-derived, this stuff is in a powder and might

be easy to sneak into other foods.

How about just eating apples? (Especially the peel, I think that's

the part highest in pectin, if I remember my biochemistry right).

> I've read that Apple Pectin (which is supposedly safe to use and

you can get

> at the Health Food Store) is good for high Aluminum. My son's hair

test was

> off the charts for Aluminum but the only Apple Pectin I've found so

far is

> tablet form and he won't swallow a tablet.

>

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My son is the poster child for stimulant medication. Count me out on any

discussion regarding how " bad " stimulant meds are....they saved his life AND

OURS.

~k

Re: [ ]ADHD

Boy do I feel like we are in the same boat! Would love to hear peoples

responses since we are very reluctant to get involved in any medication for

our son

who turned 6 in August.

[Guest guest]

I have heard from many other moms that Concerta, Adderall, Ritalin

(whichever one) worked wonders with their kids. They love them and

said it was like a miracle. I am not condemning stimulants. I have

just seen what they did to my daughter, so I would like to try

another approach. And again, like I said before, a new doctor may

be very helpful.

Thanks....Kim

> My son is the poster child for stimulant medication. Count me out

on any discussion regarding how " bad " stimulant meds are....they

saved his life AND OURS.

> ~k

> Re: [ ]ADHD

>

>

> Boy do I feel like we are in the same boat! Would love to hear

peoples

> responses since we are very reluctant to get involved in any

medication for our son

> who turned 6 in August.

[Guest guest]

Kim

The one thing about medicine that's an ALWAYS....everyone's body chemistry is

different. Nothing that works perfectly for one person, will be that way for

everyone.

I have worked in the ADHD community for the past 10 years, seen and heard MANY

success stories, and wiped many parents' tears. There are several excellent

medications today. What isn't the magic wand for one child, may just be for

another.

The important thing to remember, whether your child takes medication or not, is

that it's a multi-modal approach to their treatment that's important. School,

parents and medical professionals MUST work together to help the child be

successful. I've been blessed with an outstanding doctor, who helped me get the

educational assistance my children needed (both have tested gifted, although my

oldest has dyscalcula). I truly KNOW that with everyone working together, the

road was a lot easier for them to travel.

My oldest will get his drivers license <gulp> in one week. I've been harping on

him so about the importance of taking his meds on time, and making sure he's not

behind the wheel when they are about to wear off. (the statistics of unmedicated

ADHD teens driving are unbelievable). He totally agrees (for once.) His high

school graduation project is on ADHD, and the focus of his project is on

" Diagnosis and the Young Child. " I must have done something right.

I wish you all the very best in finding the right help for your little one. If

I can be of assistance to you or ANY list member in ANY WAY regarding an ADHD

issue, please don't hesitate to email me at KissmeKaate@...

~Karyn

Re: [ ]ADHD

I have heard from many other moms that Concerta, Adderall, Ritalin

(whichever one) worked wonders with their kids. They love them and

said it was like a miracle. I am not condemning stimulants. I have

just seen what they did to my daughter, so I would like to try

another approach. And again, like I said before, a new doctor may

be very helpful.

Thanks....Kim

[Guest guest]

My son sounded like your boys a few years ago. I had a pediatrician suggest I

medicate him for hyperactivity at the age of 2 1/2 (I refused). I have

learned so much in the past four years; my son is now 6 1/2. I very gradually

learned that his hyperactivity was caused by yeast overgrowth, foods with high

phenols, food intolerances, or a combination of these. Likely the underlying

cause

of these problems is heavy metal toxicity.

Now, when my son is hyperactive, I can usually pinpoint the exact cause, and

99% of the time it is caused by yeast overgrowth or a highly phenolic food.

For my son, zinc has always caused extreme hyperactivity. I use transdermal

zinc lightly, and it causes less hyperactivity. Probably less is absorbed, too,

though.

No idea if what's getting to your sons is what happened to mine, but thought

I'd share my experiences.

Good luck,

Debbie