Guest guest Posted March 9, 2001 Report Share Posted March 9, 2001 Peace, you mentioned something about prozac... It made me think. Both my parents are on anti-depressants. I am pretty sure one of them is on Prozac. Any idea where I can find the ingredients of prozac? How about a list or something of the pros & cons about it? Much like the pros & cons re: vaccines. You know what I mean? Thanks to anyone who has any thoughts on the matter. ~ Texas __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2001 Report Share Posted March 9, 2001 Re: Any idea where I can find the ingredients of prozac? How about a list or something of the pros & cons about it? Much like the pros & cons re: vaccines. You know what I mean? Yep. I can't help you with that, but I'm sure someone can! :-> Be... Peace.............................. :-> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2001 Report Share Posted March 9, 2001 >Re: Any idea where I can find the ingredients of prozac? How about a >list or something of the pros & cons about it? I don't know if you will find a list of cons here but try http://www.prozac.com/home.htm They have a downloadable " product label " as well as lots of other info on it. Katrina - in CO _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 Tim, SSRI medications is not the place for others to discuss these drugs in an objective manner. There are more than enough groups out there if this is what she wishes to do. She will be welcomed if she wants to join as a member of the group, and desires to hear what others have to say, but only in the context of not praising these drugs. The Avenging Angel Tim Casey wrote: Dear Owl Dancer , Thank you for signing the petition. The fact that you are here implies that you are looking for an informative discussion. Please understand that many of the other members are suffering and very angry at the cause of their pain. I do want to point out a couple of things. There are now 35 million people taking Prozac every day. In the clinical trials, one of the adverse effects was suicidal thoughts as high as 1 in a 100 subjects. Dr Healy, a prominent psychiatrist, is on record as saying that suicidal thoughts occur in at least 1 in 1000 cases, so he's being rather cautious. Now if we take Dr. Healy's conservative figures and estimate that less than 5% of the patients with suicidal thoughts, actually do commit suicide,well... that's over 41 people per day commiting a Prozac induced suicide. Another concern of mine is the marketing dep't of Eli Lilly. Firstly, they covered up most of the adverse effects reports and claimed Prozac to be perfectly safe. Now they claim they've fixed up Prozac and gotten rid of the effects they originally claimed weren't there. To increase market share and protect their expiring patents on Prozac, they've come out with Serafem, which is Prozac for PMS. They're even recommending it as a cure for acne and apparently trying it out as a preventative heart attack medicine for smokers. Now either Prozac is the most incredible invention of mankind or the boys at Eli Lilly don't really care if it works, as long as you buy it. I'm glad you're happy with your life right now, but I sincerely believe you're dancing with the devil. So please stick around, get your friends to sign the petition and remember...no where in the petition does it say that we're trying to get rid of Prozac. We just want to be sure it's safe. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 Tim, SSRI medications is not the place for others to discuss these drugs in an objective manner. There are more than enough groups out there if this is what she wishes to do. She will be welcomed if she wants to join as a member of the group, and desires to hear what others have to say, but only in the context of not praising these drugs. The Avenging Angel Tim Casey wrote: Dear Owl Dancer , Thank you for signing the petition. The fact that you are here implies that you are looking for an informative discussion. Please understand that many of the other members are suffering and very angry at the cause of their pain. I do want to point out a couple of things. There are now 35 million people taking Prozac every day. In the clinical trials, one of the adverse effects was suicidal thoughts as high as 1 in a 100 subjects. Dr Healy, a prominent psychiatrist, is on record as saying that suicidal thoughts occur in at least 1 in 1000 cases, so he's being rather cautious. Now if we take Dr. Healy's conservative figures and estimate that less than 5% of the patients with suicidal thoughts, actually do commit suicide,well... that's over 41 people per day commiting a Prozac induced suicide. Another concern of mine is the marketing dep't of Eli Lilly. Firstly, they covered up most of the adverse effects reports and claimed Prozac to be perfectly safe. Now they claim they've fixed up Prozac and gotten rid of the effects they originally claimed weren't there. To increase market share and protect their expiring patents on Prozac, they've come out with Serafem, which is Prozac for PMS. They're even recommending it as a cure for acne and apparently trying it out as a preventative heart attack medicine for smokers. Now either Prozac is the most incredible invention of mankind or the boys at Eli Lilly don't really care if it works, as long as you buy it. I'm glad you're happy with your life right now, but I sincerely believe you're dancing with the devil. So please stick around, get your friends to sign the petition and remember...no where in the petition does it say that we're trying to get rid of Prozac. We just want to be sure it's safe. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 dawn, to keep the groups successful this rule should always be strictly inforced..... our group almost failed when we would slack on this rule. ask Ann, she will tell ya, there were several attempts to have such groups but the " cant live without prozac " people would come in and take it over...... hugs cynthia --- Dawn Rider <drider@...> wrote: > Tim, > > SSRI medications is not the place for others to > discuss these drugs in an > objective manner. There are more than enough groups > out there if this > is what she wishes to do. > > She will be welcomed if she wants to join as a > member of the group, and > desires to hear what others have to say, but only in > the context of not > praising these drugs. > > The Avenging Angel > > Tim Casey wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Owl Dancer , > > > > Thank you for signing the petition. The fact > that you are here > > implies that you are looking for an informative > discussion. Please > > understand that many of the other members are > suffering and very angry > > at the cause of their pain. > > > > I do want to point out a couple of things. > There are now 35 > > million people taking Prozac every day. In the > clinical trials, one of > > the adverse effects was suicidal thoughts as high > as 1 in a 100 > > subjects. Dr Healy, a prominent > psychiatrist, is on record as > > saying that suicidal thoughts occur in at least 1 > in 1000 cases, so > > he's being rather cautious. Now if we take Dr. > Healy's conservative > > figures and estimate that less than 5% of the > patients with suicidal > > thoughts, actually do commit suicide,well... > that's over 41 people per > > day commiting a Prozac induced suicide. > > > > Another concern of mine is the marketing > dep't of Eli Lilly. > > Firstly, they covered up most of the adverse > effects reports and > > claimed Prozac to be perfectly safe. Now they > claim they've fixed up > > Prozac and gotten rid of the effects they > originally claimed weren't > > there. To increase market share and protect their > expiring patents on > > Prozac, they've come out with Serafem, which is > Prozac for PMS. > > They're even recommending it as a cure for acne > and apparently trying > > it out as a preventative heart attack medicine for > smokers. > > > > Now either Prozac is the most incredible > invention of mankind or > > the boys at Eli Lilly don't really care if it > works, as long as you > > buy it. I'm glad you're happy with your life right > now, but I > > sincerely believe you're dancing with the devil. > > > > So please stick around, get your friends to > sign the petition and > > remember...no where in the petition does it say > that we're trying to > > get rid of Prozac. We just want to be sure it's > safe. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 dawn, to keep the groups successful this rule should always be strictly inforced..... our group almost failed when we would slack on this rule. ask Ann, she will tell ya, there were several attempts to have such groups but the " cant live without prozac " people would come in and take it over...... hugs cynthia --- Dawn Rider <drider@...> wrote: > Tim, > > SSRI medications is not the place for others to > discuss these drugs in an > objective manner. There are more than enough groups > out there if this > is what she wishes to do. > > She will be welcomed if she wants to join as a > member of the group, and > desires to hear what others have to say, but only in > the context of not > praising these drugs. > > The Avenging Angel > > Tim Casey wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Owl Dancer , > > > > Thank you for signing the petition. The fact > that you are here > > implies that you are looking for an informative > discussion. Please > > understand that many of the other members are > suffering and very angry > > at the cause of their pain. > > > > I do want to point out a couple of things. > There are now 35 > > million people taking Prozac every day. In the > clinical trials, one of > > the adverse effects was suicidal thoughts as high > as 1 in a 100 > > subjects. Dr Healy, a prominent > psychiatrist, is on record as > > saying that suicidal thoughts occur in at least 1 > in 1000 cases, so > > he's being rather cautious. Now if we take Dr. > Healy's conservative > > figures and estimate that less than 5% of the > patients with suicidal > > thoughts, actually do commit suicide,well... > that's over 41 people per > > day commiting a Prozac induced suicide. > > > > Another concern of mine is the marketing > dep't of Eli Lilly. > > Firstly, they covered up most of the adverse > effects reports and > > claimed Prozac to be perfectly safe. Now they > claim they've fixed up > > Prozac and gotten rid of the effects they > originally claimed weren't > > there. To increase market share and protect their > expiring patents on > > Prozac, they've come out with Serafem, which is > Prozac for PMS. > > They're even recommending it as a cure for acne > and apparently trying > > it out as a preventative heart attack medicine for > smokers. > > > > Now either Prozac is the most incredible > invention of mankind or > > the boys at Eli Lilly don't really care if it > works, as long as you > > buy it. I'm glad you're happy with your life right > now, but I > > sincerely believe you're dancing with the devil. > > > > So please stick around, get your friends to > sign the petition and > > remember...no where in the petition does it say > that we're trying to > > get rid of Prozac. We just want to be sure it's > safe. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 , You've got no argument from me on this one!! I say, Amen, Sister! Hey, your picture of your son did not come in.. Can you try again? The Avenging Angel cynthia garcia wrote: > dawn, to keep the groups successful this rule should > always be strictly inforced..... our group almost > failed when we would slack on this rule. > > ask Ann, she will tell ya, there were several attempts > to have such groups but the " cant live without prozac " > people would come in and take it over...... > > hugs > cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 , You've got no argument from me on this one!! I say, Amen, Sister! Hey, your picture of your son did not come in.. Can you try again? The Avenging Angel cynthia garcia wrote: > dawn, to keep the groups successful this rule should > always be strictly inforced..... our group almost > failed when we would slack on this rule. > > ask Ann, she will tell ya, there were several attempts > to have such groups but the " cant live without prozac " > people would come in and take it over...... > > hugs > cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2001 Report Share Posted November 25, 2001 Please take a minute or two to read this... And forward it to everyone you think may want to know about it. http://www.PetitionOnline.com/lilpro/petition.html The life you save may be your own. Warmest regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2001 Report Share Posted December 24, 2001 Dear Dawn, I tried to respond to Mr. Thatman's article, but it did not go through. Can you please send it for me whenever you have a chance. I forgot to add an interesting new development. was diagnosed as bi-polar by the jail psychiatrist in 1999. He stopped taking Prozac on his own about a year ago. On 10/10/2001, he was discharged from the prison's psychiatric program - no longer in need of such - and no longer bi-polar. This is an impossibility which further suggests that he was showing an adverse reaction to Prozac. Noone can be cured from a bi-polar condition. >From: " suzy nakauchi " <suzynakauchi@...> >thatman@... >CC: SSRI medications >Subject: Prozac >Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:26:06 +0000 > >Dear Mr. Thatman, > >I read your Dec. 23, 2001 article regarding the tragedy of a son murdering >his mother. You mentioned that he was diagnosed as bi-bolar and that he >was >not taking his meds. You quoted his brother as saying that the real son >was >the one who took his meds. > >I will have to respond to this. The real son was lost when the meds >started >to influence his thinking. SSRIs cause adverse effects in some people, up >to 7% of the general population, and up to 24% in some minority populations >such as Asians. These people either have a lower metabolism, a defective >gene, or both that makes processing the SSRI >inefficient or non-existent. Toxic levels of the drug can build up. >Reported on the Prozac label itself - known adverse effects include but are >not limited to agitation, violence, suicide and hypomania. Even after the >individual stops taking the " med " , it can be stored in the liver and in >other parts of the body - literally for years. Prozac and other SSRI >survivors - those who have stopped taking the meds - report lingering side >effects literally years later. These long lasting disturbances suggest a >problem of mutation on the celullar level. > >I write the above as a mother of a dearly beloved son who is in prison >for actions while under a prescribed dose of Prozac. He writes that while >he was on Prozac, thoughts became fragmented and incomplete - beginning >over >and over, but never completed. Reality became unreality. For example, he >came to recognize a tree as a tree only through effort and discipline. >Feelings were lost. Friends were perceived as enemies. > >Yes, I agree that the son who killed his mother was a victim, but not >of stopping his meds, but of ever having started them. > >As an inquiring reporter, you will be interested in the other side of the >Prozac and SSRI experience, of those who have had an adverse effect to the >drugs. At even only 5% - that would literally mean tens of thousands if >not >millions over the years of use. > >I am not saying that the SSRIs are bad in and of themselves. I know that >they help many, but I do think that there should be clear warnings and even >a simple test for drug tolerance before each prescription - to save those >who have an allergic reaction to the SSRI. > >Sincerely, >Suzy Nakauchi >suzyliu@... > >Please e-mail me if you are interested in my son's essays describing his >tragic experince while on Prozac. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2001 Report Share Posted December 24, 2001 Dear Dawn, I tried to respond to Mr. Thatman's article, but it did not go through. Can you please send it for me whenever you have a chance. I forgot to add an interesting new development. was diagnosed as bi-polar by the jail psychiatrist in 1999. He stopped taking Prozac on his own about a year ago. On 10/10/2001, he was discharged from the prison's psychiatric program - no longer in need of such - and no longer bi-polar. This is an impossibility which further suggests that he was showing an adverse reaction to Prozac. Noone can be cured from a bi-polar condition. >From: " suzy nakauchi " <suzynakauchi@...> >thatman@... >CC: SSRI medications >Subject: Prozac >Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:26:06 +0000 > >Dear Mr. Thatman, > >I read your Dec. 23, 2001 article regarding the tragedy of a son murdering >his mother. You mentioned that he was diagnosed as bi-bolar and that he >was >not taking his meds. You quoted his brother as saying that the real son >was >the one who took his meds. > >I will have to respond to this. The real son was lost when the meds >started >to influence his thinking. SSRIs cause adverse effects in some people, up >to 7% of the general population, and up to 24% in some minority populations >such as Asians. These people either have a lower metabolism, a defective >gene, or both that makes processing the SSRI >inefficient or non-existent. Toxic levels of the drug can build up. >Reported on the Prozac label itself - known adverse effects include but are >not limited to agitation, violence, suicide and hypomania. Even after the >individual stops taking the " med " , it can be stored in the liver and in >other parts of the body - literally for years. Prozac and other SSRI >survivors - those who have stopped taking the meds - report lingering side >effects literally years later. These long lasting disturbances suggest a >problem of mutation on the celullar level. > >I write the above as a mother of a dearly beloved son who is in prison >for actions while under a prescribed dose of Prozac. He writes that while >he was on Prozac, thoughts became fragmented and incomplete - beginning >over >and over, but never completed. Reality became unreality. For example, he >came to recognize a tree as a tree only through effort and discipline. >Feelings were lost. Friends were perceived as enemies. > >Yes, I agree that the son who killed his mother was a victim, but not >of stopping his meds, but of ever having started them. > >As an inquiring reporter, you will be interested in the other side of the >Prozac and SSRI experience, of those who have had an adverse effect to the >drugs. At even only 5% - that would literally mean tens of thousands if >not >millions over the years of use. > >I am not saying that the SSRIs are bad in and of themselves. I know that >they help many, but I do think that there should be clear warnings and even >a simple test for drug tolerance before each prescription - to save those >who have an allergic reaction to the SSRI. > >Sincerely, >Suzy Nakauchi >suzyliu@... > >Please e-mail me if you are interested in my son's essays describing his >tragic experince while on Prozac. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2001 Report Share Posted December 25, 2001 Dear Suzy, I am happy to hear that has been "cured" from the "Bi-Polar" disorder which he never had in the first place! However, I do want to point out to you that there are those whose symptoms are suggestive of that 'group of symptoms' described as "Bi-Polar" disorder.. which have indeed been "cured" from this disorder... I do not believe that "Bi-Polar Disorder" is a real disease at all.. but some people struggle with fluctuating mood swings that do make it difficult to carry out their normal day-to-day activities. Did you open the attachment that I sent to Mr. Thalman concerning the study of a control group of "Bi-Polar" patients who were indeed "cured".. (ie.. no longer struggle with this set of behavioral patterns)? These people were "cured" of this "disorder" -not with dangerous mind/mood altering drugs, but rather with a heavy dose of vital nutrients, trace elements and amino acids... Plain old good nutrition!!! Also, I could very easily forward your letter to Mr. Thalman, but I believe it will bear more weight with it's source of origin being your email address, rather than mine. Also, I don't want him to know that I'm rallying the troops. The reason it was returned to you is because you misspelled his email address. Here is his correct address: jthalman@... Also, if he wants to follow through with you and obtain copies of 's writings, he would be able to contact you directly through your email. Please resend your original letter. Let me know if he replies. I am including your original letter.The Avenging Angel Please sign the petiton at http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro >From: "suzy nakauchi" >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Fwd: Prozac >Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:43:39 +0000 _______________________________________________ I tried to respond to Mr. Thatman's article, but it did not go through.Can you please send it for me whenever you have a chance.I forgot to add an interesting new development. was diagnosed as bi-polar by the jail psychiatrist in 1999. He stopped taking Prozac on his own about a year ago. On 10/10/2001, he was discharged from the prison's psychiatric program - no longer in need of such - and no longer bi-polar. This is an impossibility which further suggests thathe was showing an adverse reaction to Prozac. Noone can be cured froma bi-polar condition.>From: "suzy nakauchi" <suzynakauchi@...>>thatman@...>CC: SSRI medications >Subject: Prozac>Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:26:06 +0000>>Dear Mr. Thatman,>>I read your Dec. 23, 2001 article regarding the tragedy of a son murdering>his mother. You mentioned that he was diagnosed as bi-bolar and that he >was>not taking his meds. You quoted his brother as saying that the real son >was>the one who took his meds.>>I will have to respond to this. The real son was lost when the meds >started>to influence his thinking. SSRIs cause adverse effects in some people, up>to 7% of the general population, and up to 24% in some minority populations>such as Asians. These people either have a lower metabolism, a defective>gene, or both that makes processing the SSRI>inefficient or non-existent. Toxic levels of the drug can build up.>Reported on the Prozac label itself - known adverse effects include but are>not limited to agitation, violence, suicide and hypomania. Even after the>individual stops taking the "med", it can be stored in the liver and in>other parts of the body - literally for years. Prozac and other SSRI>survivors - those who have stopped taking the meds - report lingering side>effects literally years later. These long lasting disturbances suggest a>problem of mutation on the celullar level.>>I write the above as a mother of a dearly beloved son who is in prison>for actions while under a prescribed dose of Prozac. He writes that while>he was on Prozac, thoughts became fragmented and incomplete - beginning >over>and over, but never completed. Reality became unreality. For example, he>came to recognize a tree as a tree only through effort and discipline.>Feelings were lost. Friends were perceived as enemies.>>Yes, I agree that the son who killed his mother was a victim, but not>of stopping his meds, but of ever having started them.>>As an inquiring reporter, you will be interested in the other side of the>Prozac and SSRI experience, of those who have had an adverse effect to the>drugs. At even only 5% - that would literally mean tens of thousands if >not>millions over the years of use.>>I am not saying that the SSRIs are bad in and of themselves. I know that>they help many, but I do think that there should be clear warnings and even>a simple test for drug tolerance before each prescription - to save those>who have an allergic reaction to the SSRI.>>Sincerely,>Suzy Nakauchi>suzyliu@...>>Please e-mail me if you are interested in my son's essays describing his>tragic experince while on Prozac.> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 Dear Dawn, I have resent my letter, with spelling corrections and new errors. Love, Suzy >From: " DAWN RIDER " <israelswarrior@...> >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Re: Fwd: Prozac >Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:13:38 -0700 > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Dear Suzy, I am happy to hear that has been "cured" from the "Bi-Polar" disorder which he never had in the first place! However, I do want to point out to you that there are those whose symptoms are suggestive of that 'group of symptoms' described as "Bi-Polar" disorder.. which have indeed been "cured" from this disorder... I do not believe that "Bi-Polar Disorder" is a real disease at all.. but some people struggle with fluctuating mood swings that do make it difficult to carry out their normal day-to-day activities. Did you open the attachment that I sent to Mr. Thalman concerning the study of a control group of "Bi-Polar" patients who were indeed "cured".. (ie.. no longer struggle with this set of behavioral patterns)? These people were "cured" of this "disorder" -not with dangerous mind/mood altering drugs, but rather with a heavy dose of vital nutrients, trace elements and amino acids... Plain old good nutrition!!! Also, I could very easily forward your letter to Mr. Thalman, but I believe it will bear more weight with it's source of origin being your email address, rather than mine. Also, I don't want him to know that I'm rallying the troops. The reason it was returned to you is because you misspelled his email address. Here is his correct address: jthalman@... Also, if he wants to follow through with you and obtain copies of 's writings, he would be able to contact you directly through your email. Please resend your original letter. Let me know if he replies. I am including your original letter.The Avenging Angel Please sign the petiton at http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro >From: "suzy nakauchi" >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Fwd: Prozac >Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:43:39 +0000 _______________________________________________ I tried to respond to Mr. Thatman's article, but it did not go through.Can you please send it for me whenever you have a chance.I forgot to add an interesting new development. was diagnosed as bi-polar by the jail psychiatrist in 1999. He stopped taking Prozac on his own about a year ago. On 10/10/2001, he was discharged from the prison's psychiatric program - no longer in need of such - and no longer bi-polar. This is an impossibility which further suggests thathe was showing an adverse reaction to Prozac. Noone can be cured froma bi-polar condition.>From: "suzy nakauchi" <suzynakauchi@...>>thatman@...>CC: SSRI medications >Subject: Prozac>Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:26:06 +0000>>Dear Mr. Thatman,>>I read your Dec. 23, 2001 article regarding the tragedy of a ! son murdering>his mother. You mentioned that he was diagnosed as bi-bolar and that he >was>not taking his meds. You quoted his brother as saying that the real son >was>the one who took his meds.>>I will have to respond to this. The real son was lost when the meds >started>to influence his thinking. SSRIs cause adverse effects in some people, up>to 7% of the general population, and up to 24% in some minority populations>such as Asians. These people either have a lower metabolism, a defective>gene, or both that makes processing the SSRI>inefficient or non-existent. Toxic levels of the drug can build up.>Reported on the Prozac label itself - known adverse effects include but are>not limited to agitation, violence, suicide and hypomania. Even after the>individual stops taking the "med", it can be stored in the liver and in! gt;other parts of the body - literally for years. Prozac and other SSRI>survivors - those who have stopped taking the meds - report lingering side>effects literally years later. These long lasting disturbances suggest a>problem of mutation on the celullar level.>>I write the above as a mother of a dearly beloved son who is in prison>for actions while under a prescribed dose of Prozac. He writes that while>he was on Prozac, thoughts became fragmented and incomplete - beginning >over>and over, but never completed. Reality became unreality. For example, he>came to recognize a tree as a tree only through effort and discipline.>Feelings were lost. Friends were perceived as enemies.>>Yes, I agree that the son who killed his mother was a victim, but not>of stopping his meds, but of ever having started them.>>As an inquiring reporter, yo! u will be interested in the other side of the>Prozac and SSRI experience, of those who have had an adverse effect to the>drugs. At even only 5% - that would literally mean tens of thousands if >not>millions over the years of use.>>I am not saying that the SSRIs are bad in and of themselves. I know that>they help many, but I do think that there should be clear warnings and even>a simple test for drug tolerance before each prescription - to save those>who have an allergic reaction to the SSRI.>>Sincerely,>Suzy Nakauchi>suzyliu@...>>Please e-mail me if you are interested in my son's essays describing his>tragic experince while on Prozac.> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 Dear Dawn, I have resent my letter, with spelling corrections and new errors. Love, Suzy >From: " DAWN RIDER " <israelswarrior@...> >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Re: Fwd: Prozac >Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:13:38 -0700 > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Dear Suzy, I am happy to hear that has been "cured" from the "Bi-Polar" disorder which he never had in the first place! However, I do want to point out to you that there are those whose symptoms are suggestive of that 'group of symptoms' described as "Bi-Polar" disorder.. which have indeed been "cured" from this disorder... I do not believe that "Bi-Polar Disorder" is a real disease at all.. but some people struggle with fluctuating mood swings that do make it difficult to carry out their normal day-to-day activities. Did you open the attachment that I sent to Mr. Thalman concerning the study of a control group of "Bi-Polar" patients who were indeed "cured".. (ie.. no longer struggle with this set of behavioral patterns)? These people were "cured" of this "disorder" -not with dangerous mind/mood altering drugs, but rather with a heavy dose of vital nutrients, trace elements and amino acids... Plain old good nutrition!!! Also, I could very easily forward your letter to Mr. Thalman, but I believe it will bear more weight with it's source of origin being your email address, rather than mine. Also, I don't want him to know that I'm rallying the troops. The reason it was returned to you is because you misspelled his email address. Here is his correct address: jthalman@... Also, if he wants to follow through with you and obtain copies of 's writings, he would be able to contact you directly through your email. Please resend your original letter. Let me know if he replies. I am including your original letter.The Avenging Angel Please sign the petiton at http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro >From: "suzy nakauchi" >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Fwd: Prozac >Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:43:39 +0000 _______________________________________________ I tried to respond to Mr. Thatman's article, but it did not go through.Can you please send it for me whenever you have a chance.I forgot to add an interesting new development. was diagnosed as bi-polar by the jail psychiatrist in 1999. He stopped taking Prozac on his own about a year ago. On 10/10/2001, he was discharged from the prison's psychiatric program - no longer in need of such - and no longer bi-polar. This is an impossibility which further suggests thathe was showing an adverse reaction to Prozac. Noone can be cured froma bi-polar condition.>From: "suzy nakauchi" <suzynakauchi@...>>thatman@...>CC: SSRI medications >Subject: Prozac>Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:26:06 +0000>>Dear Mr. Thatman,>>I read your Dec. 23, 2001 article regarding the tragedy of a ! son murdering>his mother. You mentioned that he was diagnosed as bi-bolar and that he >was>not taking his meds. You quoted his brother as saying that the real son >was>the one who took his meds.>>I will have to respond to this. The real son was lost when the meds >started>to influence his thinking. SSRIs cause adverse effects in some people, up>to 7% of the general population, and up to 24% in some minority populations>such as Asians. These people either have a lower metabolism, a defective>gene, or both that makes processing the SSRI>inefficient or non-existent. Toxic levels of the drug can build up.>Reported on the Prozac label itself - known adverse effects include but are>not limited to agitation, violence, suicide and hypomania. Even after the>individual stops taking the "med", it can be stored in the liver and in! gt;other parts of the body - literally for years. Prozac and other SSRI>survivors - those who have stopped taking the meds - report lingering side>effects literally years later. These long lasting disturbances suggest a>problem of mutation on the celullar level.>>I write the above as a mother of a dearly beloved son who is in prison>for actions while under a prescribed dose of Prozac. He writes that while>he was on Prozac, thoughts became fragmented and incomplete - beginning >over>and over, but never completed. Reality became unreality. For example, he>came to recognize a tree as a tree only through effort and discipline.>Feelings were lost. Friends were perceived as enemies.>>Yes, I agree that the son who killed his mother was a victim, but not>of stopping his meds, but of ever having started them.>>As an inquiring reporter, yo! u will be interested in the other side of the>Prozac and SSRI experience, of those who have had an adverse effect to the>drugs. At even only 5% - that would literally mean tens of thousands if >not>millions over the years of use.>>I am not saying that the SSRIs are bad in and of themselves. I know that>they help many, but I do think that there should be clear warnings and even>a simple test for drug tolerance before each prescription - to save those>who have an allergic reaction to the SSRI.>>Sincerely,>Suzy Nakauchi>suzyliu@...>>Please e-mail me if you are interested in my son's essays describing his>tragic experince while on Prozac.> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 Dear Dawn, I have resent my letter, with spelling corrections and new errors. Love, Suzy >From: " DAWN RIDER " <israelswarrior@...> >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Re: Fwd: Prozac >Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:13:38 -0700 > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Dear Suzy, I am happy to hear that has been "cured" from the "Bi-Polar" disorder which he never had in the first place! However, I do want to point out to you that there are those whose symptoms are suggestive of that 'group of symptoms' described as "Bi-Polar" disorder.. which have indeed been "cured" from this disorder... I do not believe that "Bi-Polar Disorder" is a real disease at all.. but some people struggle with fluctuating mood swings that do make it difficult to carry out their normal day-to-day activities. Did you open the attachment that I sent to Mr. Thalman concerning the study of a control group of "Bi-Polar" patients who were indeed "cured".. (ie.. no longer struggle with this set of behavioral patterns)? These people were "cured" of this "disorder" -not with dangerous mind/mood altering drugs, but rather with a heavy dose of vital nutrients, trace elements and amino acids... Plain old good nutrition!!! Also, I could very easily forward your letter to Mr. Thalman, but I believe it will bear more weight with it's source of origin being your email address, rather than mine. Also, I don't want him to know that I'm rallying the troops. The reason it was returned to you is because you misspelled his email address. Here is his correct address: jthalman@... Also, if he wants to follow through with you and obtain copies of 's writings, he would be able to contact you directly through your email. Please resend your original letter. Let me know if he replies. I am including your original letter.The Avenging Angel Please sign the petiton at http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro >From: "suzy nakauchi" >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Fwd: Prozac >Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:43:39 +0000 _______________________________________________ I tried to respond to Mr. Thatman's article, but it did not go through.Can you please send it for me whenever you have a chance.I forgot to add an interesting new development. was diagnosed as bi-polar by the jail psychiatrist in 1999. He stopped taking Prozac on his own about a year ago. On 10/10/2001, he was discharged from the prison's psychiatric program - no longer in need of such - and no longer bi-polar. This is an impossibility which further suggests thathe was showing an adverse reaction to Prozac. Noone can be cured froma bi-polar condition.>From: "suzy nakauchi" <suzynakauchi@...>>thatman@...>CC: SSRI medications >Subject: Prozac>Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:26:06 +0000>>Dear Mr. Thatman,>>I read your Dec. 23, 2001 article regarding the tragedy of a ! son murdering>his mother. You mentioned that he was diagnosed as bi-bolar and that he >was>not taking his meds. You quoted his brother as saying that the real son >was>the one who took his meds.>>I will have to respond to this. The real son was lost when the meds >started>to influence his thinking. SSRIs cause adverse effects in some people, up>to 7% of the general population, and up to 24% in some minority populations>such as Asians. These people either have a lower metabolism, a defective>gene, or both that makes processing the SSRI>inefficient or non-existent. Toxic levels of the drug can build up.>Reported on the Prozac label itself - known adverse effects include but are>not limited to agitation, violence, suicide and hypomania. Even after the>individual stops taking the "med", it can be stored in the liver and in! gt;other parts of the body - literally for years. Prozac and other SSRI>survivors - those who have stopped taking the meds - report lingering side>effects literally years later. These long lasting disturbances suggest a>problem of mutation on the celullar level.>>I write the above as a mother of a dearly beloved son who is in prison>for actions while under a prescribed dose of Prozac. He writes that while>he was on Prozac, thoughts became fragmented and incomplete - beginning >over>and over, but never completed. Reality became unreality. For example, he>came to recognize a tree as a tree only through effort and discipline.>Feelings were lost. Friends were perceived as enemies.>>Yes, I agree that the son who killed his mother was a victim, but not>of stopping his meds, but of ever having started them.>>As an inquiring reporter, yo! u will be interested in the other side of the>Prozac and SSRI experience, of those who have had an adverse effect to the>drugs. At even only 5% - that would literally mean tens of thousands if >not>millions over the years of use.>>I am not saying that the SSRIs are bad in and of themselves. I know that>they help many, but I do think that there should be clear warnings and even>a simple test for drug tolerance before each prescription - to save those>who have an allergic reaction to the SSRI.>>Sincerely,>Suzy Nakauchi>suzyliu@...>>Please e-mail me if you are interested in my son's essays describing his>tragic experince while on Prozac.> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 Dear Dawn, I have resent my letter, with spelling corrections and new errors. Love, Suzy >From: " DAWN RIDER " <israelswarrior@...> >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Re: Fwd: Prozac >Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 03:13:38 -0700 > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Dear Suzy, I am happy to hear that has been "cured" from the "Bi-Polar" disorder which he never had in the first place! However, I do want to point out to you that there are those whose symptoms are suggestive of that 'group of symptoms' described as "Bi-Polar" disorder.. which have indeed been "cured" from this disorder... I do not believe that "Bi-Polar Disorder" is a real disease at all.. but some people struggle with fluctuating mood swings that do make it difficult to carry out their normal day-to-day activities. Did you open the attachment that I sent to Mr. Thalman concerning the study of a control group of "Bi-Polar" patients who were indeed "cured".. (ie.. no longer struggle with this set of behavioral patterns)? These people were "cured" of this "disorder" -not with dangerous mind/mood altering drugs, but rather with a heavy dose of vital nutrients, trace elements and amino acids... Plain old good nutrition!!! Also, I could very easily forward your letter to Mr. Thalman, but I believe it will bear more weight with it's source of origin being your email address, rather than mine. Also, I don't want him to know that I'm rallying the troops. The reason it was returned to you is because you misspelled his email address. Here is his correct address: jthalman@... Also, if he wants to follow through with you and obtain copies of 's writings, he would be able to contact you directly through your email. Please resend your original letter. Let me know if he replies. I am including your original letter.The Avenging Angel Please sign the petiton at http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro >From: "suzy nakauchi" >Reply-SSRI medications >SSRI medications >Subject: Fwd: Prozac >Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:43:39 +0000 _______________________________________________ I tried to respond to Mr. Thatman's article, but it did not go through.Can you please send it for me whenever you have a chance.I forgot to add an interesting new development. was diagnosed as bi-polar by the jail psychiatrist in 1999. He stopped taking Prozac on his own about a year ago. On 10/10/2001, he was discharged from the prison's psychiatric program - no longer in need of such - and no longer bi-polar. This is an impossibility which further suggests thathe was showing an adverse reaction to Prozac. Noone can be cured froma bi-polar condition.>From: "suzy nakauchi" <suzynakauchi@...>>thatman@...>CC: SSRI medications >Subject: Prozac>Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:26:06 +0000>>Dear Mr. Thatman,>>I read your Dec. 23, 2001 article regarding the tragedy of a ! son murdering>his mother. You mentioned that he was diagnosed as bi-bolar and that he >was>not taking his meds. You quoted his brother as saying that the real son >was>the one who took his meds.>>I will have to respond to this. The real son was lost when the meds >started>to influence his thinking. SSRIs cause adverse effects in some people, up>to 7% of the general population, and up to 24% in some minority populations>such as Asians. These people either have a lower metabolism, a defective>gene, or both that makes processing the SSRI>inefficient or non-existent. Toxic levels of the drug can build up.>Reported on the Prozac label itself - known adverse effects include but are>not limited to agitation, violence, suicide and hypomania. Even after the>individual stops taking the "med", it can be stored in the liver and in! gt;other parts of the body - literally for years. Prozac and other SSRI>survivors - those who have stopped taking the meds - report lingering side>effects literally years later. These long lasting disturbances suggest a>problem of mutation on the celullar level.>>I write the above as a mother of a dearly beloved son who is in prison>for actions while under a prescribed dose of Prozac. He writes that while>he was on Prozac, thoughts became fragmented and incomplete - beginning >over>and over, but never completed. Reality became unreality. For example, he>came to recognize a tree as a tree only through effort and discipline.>Feelings were lost. Friends were perceived as enemies.>>Yes, I agree that the son who killed his mother was a victim, but not>of stopping his meds, but of ever having started them.>>As an inquiring reporter, yo! u will be interested in the other side of the>Prozac and SSRI experience, of those who have had an adverse effect to the>drugs. At even only 5% - that would literally mean tens of thousands if >not>millions over the years of use.>>I am not saying that the SSRIs are bad in and of themselves. I know that>they help many, but I do think that there should be clear warnings and even>a simple test for drug tolerance before each prescription - to save those>who have an allergic reaction to the SSRI.>>Sincerely,>Suzy Nakauchi>suzyliu@...>>Please e-mail me if you are interested in my son's essays describing his>tragic experince while on Prozac.> Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Alley, You're right. I asked my authority on that sort of drug. Prozac was under fire and somewhat weakened or maybe reformulated. Zoloft has never been taken off the market. So, my appologies. Since the only ant D I've ever had a script for is Paxel, which didn't make the slightest bit of difference one way or the other; I'm ignorant of most of this, except for what I've researched relative to my concern for others. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Anne we learn as we go. None of the SSRI's work for me so phooey on em but for some they work miracles, I wouldn't take that away from them, and Wellbutrin is like a miracle drug for me, I'd be a bag of sand wihtout em lol. We as patients gotta be more vigilant with meds we take, and more responsible for what we ingest, I think. Things like SAMe and St. 's Wort are big no no's for me, make me moody and depressed just like SSRI's so that doesn't work. Kava kava that helps others sleep, gives me racing heart and palpatations, doc says bad bad reaction don't take anymore. So we learn as we go, sometimes too late unfortunately but there are things we just can't predict. Alley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Hi Anne I'm taking effexor cuz my doc says I'm depressed and I said huh? Truthfully it does make me feel better, I notice a difference if I only take one pill instead of the 2 a day....it gives me some energy, otherwise I'd just sleep my life away....which I seem to be doing anyway....LOL. Carol Re: Prozac Alley, You're right. I asked my authority on that sort of drug. Prozac was under fire and somewhat weakened or maybe reformulated. Zoloft has never been taken off the market. So, my appologies. Since the only ant D I've ever had a script for is Paxel, which didn't make the slightest bit of difference one way or the other; I'm ignorant of most of this, except for what I've researched relative to my concern for others. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Regardless of whatever someone decides to do about AntiDs, please bear this in mind - if you are on one now, DO NOT STOP ABRUPTLY, do so under the care of a physician, and usually it is done incrementally. Long story short, my(then) teenaged daughter had a fairly innocuos teenage " stalker " on AntiDs who some probably well meaning person advised to stop taking them and he did and the rebound effect sent him over the top. He showed up at my house one morning after I had left for work but before the school bus had come. He was carrying an axe, and when my terrified younger son answered the door and told him to not come in he went around to a back door and went right into the house to my daughter's room who appropriately locked her door. He then went outside and started chopping down a 30 inch diameter tree in my front yard, when the bus came he tried to board it, quite the scenario. My family was all terrified. As it turned out, he probably wasn't violent, had some delusion that if he chopped up enough firewood (we heat with wood) for my daughter he could finally win her heart, but at first glance it was difficult to know that. The deputy sheriff who arrived and arrested him, told my wife it was a good thing I wasn't there because the guy would most likely been dead (the deputy knew me :-). So don't stop abruptly. Second, take some freshly ground flaxseed everyday. It is high in omega 3s which is a natural antidepressent, it has certainly helped me and a search of medline will yield more than one supporting study. Excercise is also an anti depressent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 In a message dated 5/26/2004 6:32:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alleypat@... writes: Things like SAMe and St. 's Wort are big no no's for me, make me moody and depressed just like SSRI's so that doesn't work. Alley I, too, am one of those unlucky people who will, usually, be either non-responsive, respond by worsening (which is how I reacted to the ribavirin in the combo), or have a weird allergic reaction to most drugs. I do well with antibiotics, but I don't make a habit of taking them. We, as patients, don't always know what will work for us. So, you're right it is a learn as you go venture. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 In a message dated 5/28/2004 9:44:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gourdmad@... writes: Second, take some freshly ground flaxseed everyday. It is high in omega 3s which is a natural antidepressent, it has certainly helped me and a search of medline will yield more than one supporting study. No one should be abruptly taken off anti-depressents. That must have been a frightening experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 <<if you are on one now, DO NOT STOP ABRUPTLY>> Excellent advice! There are quite a few meds that must be weaned from. Check with your doctor or pharmacist first. Alley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 Wow -- yes, that kind of stuff does happen with AntiD's. When I look back at my behavior while I was on AntiD's (the feeling of exhaustion, the insomnia combined with it, and the bouts of agitation and rage at times), I think it was because I was stopping one and starting another; stopping one and starting another (this went on for years). And when I stopped Lexapro suddenly ? ? ? It was awful -- no fun at all not to mention it was just plain dangerous physiologically to do so. I knew I shouldn't stop something suddenly, but I just didn't care, I guess. I've always been an " animated-type " person (was diagnosed hyperactive as a kid), and I think as an adult (40ish when they started me on AntiD's), that it was the AntiD's that served to enhance the times I felt (and got) so angry. I look at the way I feel and behave now compared to the way I felt and behaved while taking then, and I was one who felt and acted like a lunatic (delusional) while on them. I'm glad you all were OK through that and that nothing tragic happened due to his delusional state. I've got a friend who -- yesterday -- told me he had stopped his Depakote suddenly. He's been on Prozac, Wellbutrin, Depakote, three blood pressure medicines for five years (and more recently they've prescribed Percocet and Ativan). He is tired of " all these da** pills " , as he puts it, and he talked to the VA docs a few months ago about getting off some of the " head meds " . (he's talked to them in years passed about getting off some of them because he thinks they aren't helping). They told him he was on such a low of Depakote that he didn't need liver function tests done, and that his liver would be just fine (he doesn't have Hep C) . I saw him for the first time yesterday (hadn't seen him in a few months), and he said he got angry at all the meds he's been on, and that he " just stopped the damn things himself " (the depakote). I told him to watch out on stopping anything suddenly and to not DARE stop anything else suddenly and to call his doc about having stopped the Depakote suddenly. He said " screw 'em -- they aren't going to listen to what I have to say or want to do " . And they really haven't listened to him, not to mention he's now strung out on Ativan and Percocet that shouldn't have been prescribed to the extent it was. In his case, the docs did him a HUGE disservice to have EVER prescribed him (an admitted alcoholic who had relapsed after 17 yrs of sobriety), Ativan AND Percocet. Granted, he may have needed the Ativan while getting off the alcohol (he fessed up to the docs he had fallen off the wagon and that he wanted to stop drinking). They offered rehab or -- if he promised to stop drinking -- Ativan. He refused rehab and took the Ativan. As far as the Percoet, he may have needed it for a few weeks for pain, but it's been four months now, and they are STILL prescribing the Ativan and the Percocet hand over fist, not to mention he's not stopped drinking. And now? He has stopped the Depakote suddenly. I'm truly concerned for him. This kind of " poly pharmacy " happens, and I don't think he's " ever coming back " . He's out there now -- drunk, strung out, Percocetted up, and it's just a shame. Let me stop rambling - lol ! You all have a great day. In a message dated 5/28/2004 9:44:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, gourdmad@... writes: > Regardless of whatever someone decides to do about AntiDs, please bear this > in mind - if you are on one now, DO NOT STOP ABRUPTLY, do so under the care > of a physician, and usually it is done incrementally. > > Long story short, my(then) teenaged daughter had a fairly innocuos teenage > " stalker " on AntiDs who some probably well meaning person advised to stop > taking them and he did and the rebound effect sent him over the top. He > showed up at my house one morning after I had left for work but before the > school bus had come. He was carrying an axe, and when my terrified younger > son answered the door and told him to not come in he went around to a back > door and went right into the house to my daughter's room who appropriately > locked her door. He then went outside and started chopping down a 30 inch > diameter tree in my front yard, when the bus came he tried to board it, > quite the scenario. My family was all terrified. > > As it turned out, he probably wasn't violent, had some delusion that if he > chopped up enough firewood (we heat with wood) for my daughter he could > finally win her heart, but at first glance it was difficult to know that. > The deputy sheriff who arrived and arrested him, told my wife it was a good > thing I wasn't there because the guy would most likely been dead (the deputy > knew me :-). > > So don't stop abruptly. > > Second, take some freshly ground flaxseed everyday. It is high in omega 3s > which is a natural antidepressent, it has certainly helped me and a search > of medline will yield more than one supporting study. > > Excercise is also an anti depressent. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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