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Are you chelating your son? How long has he had this aggressive behavior? Is

it sudden or has he always been this way? Have you tried taurine and/or

magnesium to calm him down? It sounds like he's still reacting to something

in his diet or suffering from gut bugs. Have you had him tested for yeast to

see which antifungal will work best. What supplements are you giving him? If

you give us a little more information, I'm sure someone can help.

Jo

Representative for Unlocking Autism in South Carolina

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Just a shot at this....are you corn-free, too? My son becomes very hyper and

aggressive with corn products. He has been corn free for about 1-1/2 yrs, along

with GF/CF. But, when he has a slip up with corn..........it's not pretty. Good

luck with this, our kids are quite the challenge when it comes to figuring out

their behaviors or what might be triggering a behavior.

Elsie (in TX)

[ ] aggressive behavior

Dear listmates. I am at my wits end. My son has extremely violent tantrums

when denied something he really wants.. On some occassions it can be something

he only partially wants. He hits, scratches, and falls onto the floor and will

not get himself up . He is a big kid for his age and he is almost impossible to

control. Did I mention my son is almost four? I would really appreciate any

type of response. My son has been on a gfcf diet for about a year now. He has

been phenol free for about six months. He can withstand caramel and annato

coloring but nothing else. Also, he has been taking grisiofulvin for about

three days now. He has taken nystatin for a month and had no significant change

in behavior. Please help.

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We are not chelating him yet. We have an appointment for Dr. AMy in April.

He has had this aggressive behavior for about four months. We noticed some

yeast infection earlier this past summer so we obained a prescription for

grisiofulvin . It worked wonders . However, Our doctor would not refill

the prescription. Then about four months ago we went to this very bad

aggression. We tried nystatin but did not have any significant hange. Now

we are trying grisiofulvin again to see if it may work for him.. He did not

have these reactions until we dropped his dad off at work and the speech

therapist could not make his appointment We have not tried these (taurine

magnesium )because we did not know about them.To:

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Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 8:32 PM

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> Are you chelating your son? How long has he had this aggressive behavior?

Is

> it sudden or has he always been this way? Have you tried taurine and/or

> magnesium to calm him down? It sounds like he's still reacting to

something

> in his diet or suffering from gut bugs. Have you had him tested for yeast

to

> see which antifungal will work best. What supplements are you giving him?

If

> you give us a little more information, I'm sure someone can help.

>

> Jo

> Representative for Unlocking Autism in South Carolina

> www.unlockingautism.org

>

> =======================================================

>

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Hi,

You know, me and my son are at the 5th round of chelation and last night I was

kind of trying to draw a line... to see what changes I had so far. And I said to

myself that definitely his behavior improved a lot. He is now not just *calmer*.

He is calm! I can even yell at him now if I have a reason. He looks into my eyes

and I can't believe the fact that he's not having a tantrum anymore. This is the

biggest change so far and sure, I was impressed remembering how Denis was only a

month ago, comparing with the new person I have now. But my shock came when I've

seen your message. Because it made me realize that actually Denis' change was

bigger than I was remembering. You described my son a month ago in that message.

I am really sorry you have problems of this kind. I know how this behavior can

make you little by little feel like you're losing your mind, and how

discouraging it is when no matter what you try, is not working :(

I don't know if you started chelation yet. Maybe you should...

For sure you should try the Epsom salts if you haven't yet. Or maybe try giving

him some calcium.

Also, as Elsie said, corn can " give " really aggressive behaviors.

Maybe somebody else is giving him foods that he shouldn't eat? Is this possible?

Also... it is something about Nistatin... I know that when I take it it makes

me... aggressive. I have a very hard time trying to control my temper. I know I

exaggerate, but I can't control it. I really feel like LOL hitting my head

against some wall :) I am not joking! This is exactly what I feel. And the fact

that I am an adult doesn't help much. So maybe you should stop the Nistatin...

at least for a while...

I am really sorry about not being able to help much. I really hope your son will

feel better soon.

Please let us know more... and if anything works.

Valentina

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Now, reading THIS message, I'm remembering (vaguely) all

the posts and stuff I've read about specific effects of

specific metals. Like some metals are very aggression and

anger oriented. Of course, I don't remember which ones,

or anything more specific. Do you have a hair test on

him??

At 09:19 PM 12/30/2001 -0600, you wrote:

>We are not chelating him yet. We have an appointment for Dr. AMy in April.

>He has had this aggressive behavior for about four months. We noticed some

>yeast infection earlier this past summer so we obained a prescription for

>grisiofulvin . It worked wonders . However, Our doctor would not refill

>the prescription. Then about four months ago we went to this very bad

>aggression. We tried nystatin but did not have any significant hange. Now

>we are trying grisiofulvin again to see if it may work for him.. He did not

>have these reactions until we dropped his dad off at work and the speech

>therapist could not make his appointment We have not tried these (taurine

>magnesium )because we did not know about them.To:

>< >

>Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 8:32 PM

>Subject: Re: [ ] aggressive behavior

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> We have not tried these (taurine

> magnesium )because we did not know about them.

So you never tried magnesium sulfate? The Epsom salts? You should

definitely try this.

Valentina

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I had not thought about that, he had a bowl of corn pops for breakfast.

it's the only cereal he can eat. the sore no longer carries rice flakes.

thanks a lot for everyone's input. by the way we are also in Texas-Houston.

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>

>

> Dear listmates. I am at my wits end. My son has extremely violent

tantrums when denied something he really wants.. On some occassions it can

be something he only partially wants. He hits, scratches, and falls onto

the floor and will not get himself up . He is a big kid for his age and he

is almost impossible to control. Did I mention my son is almost four? I

would really appreciate any type of response. My son has been on a gfcf

diet for about a year now. He has been phenol free for about six months.

He can withstand caramel and annato coloring but nothing else. Also, he has

been taking grisiofulvin for about three days now. He has taken nystatin

for a month and had no significant change in behavior. Please help.

>

>

>

>

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We did obtain a hair test on him and aluminum, antimony, and lead

were extremmely high. mercury was .37 out of four. Sulfur was low .

potassium and zinc were high. As far as I can tell these are the traits for

being mercury toxic. Hence the appointment with the Good doctor. I want to

thank everyone for their input I reallly appreciate it. From: " Moria

Merriweather " <moriam@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:41 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] aggressive behavior

> Now, reading THIS message, I'm remembering (vaguely) all

> the posts and stuff I've read about specific effects of

> specific metals. Like some metals are very aggression and

> anger oriented. Of course, I don't remember which ones,

> or anything more specific. Do you have a hair test on

> him??

>

>

> At 09:19 PM 12/30/2001 -0600, you wrote:

> >We are not chelating him yet. We have an appointment for Dr. AMy in

April.

> >He has had this aggressive behavior for about four months. We noticed

some

> >yeast infection earlier this past summer so we obained a prescription

for

> >grisiofulvin . It worked wonders . However, Our doctor would not refill

> >the prescription. Then about four months ago we went to this very bad

> >aggression. We tried nystatin but did not have any significant hange.

Now

> >we are trying grisiofulvin again to see if it may work for him.. He did

not

> >have these reactions until we dropped his dad off at work and the speech

> >therapist could not make his appointment We have not tried these

(taurine

> >magnesium )because we did not know about them.To:

> >< >

> >Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 8:32 PM

> >Subject: Re: [ ] aggressive behavior

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

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Dear Kencol: Did you have a culture indicating a susceptible organism to

give griseofulvin for your child? I've heard of some bad effects of this

drug, and do not consider it nearly as safe as diflucan. It is a heavy-duty

drug and not to be used lightly especially without identifying the organism

and without following closely with blood counts and liver status. In the

PDR it states specifically that it is not effective in Candidiasis. If I

were you I would get a culture to find out what is going on in your child's

gut and if it is yeast, give the appropriate medication. Jaquelyn

[ ] aggressive behavior

> Dear listmates. I am at my wits end. My son has extremely violent

tantrums when denied something he really wants.. On some occassions it can

be something he only partially wants. He hits, scratches, and falls onto

the floor and will not get himself up . He is a big kid for his age and he

is almost impossible to control. Did I mention my son is almost four? I

would really appreciate any type of response. My son has been on a gfcf

diet for about a year now. He has been phenol free for about six months.

He can withstand caramel and annato coloring but nothing else. Also, he has

been taking grisiofulvin for about three days now. He has taken nystatin

for a month and had no significant change in behavior. Please help.

>

>

>

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Now i read your post about corn pops...yikes that one was killer for use

sugar and corn...it made my son WILD. We no longer do sugar or corn

ever...you could try this..not easy but we have good results here. Sharon

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There is a new product for yeast and other beasties out from Chisolm labs.

I don't know much about it other than the fact that people had heard good

things about it and were eagerly awaiting its release. One woman on another

list tried it and had great results with her son the first week. So far, so

good. As with any new product though, we proceed with caution.

Barb

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>

>

>> Are you chelating your son? How long has he had this aggressive behavior?

>Is

>> it sudden or has he always been this way? Have you tried taurine and/or

>> magnesium to calm him down? It sounds like he's still reacting to

>something

>> in his diet or suffering from gut bugs. Have you had him tested for yeast

>to

>> see which antifungal will work best. What supplements are you giving him?

>If

>> you give us a little more information, I'm sure someone can help.

>>

>> Jo

>> Representative for Unlocking Autism in South Carolina

>> www.unlockingautism.org

>>

>> =======================================================

>>

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In a message dated 12/30/01 9:18:26 PM Central Standard Time,

kencol@... writes:

> He has had this aggressive behavior for about four months. We noticed some

> yeast infection earlier this past summer so we obained a prescription for

> grisiofulvin . It worked wonders . However, Our doctor would not refill

> the prescription. Then about four months ago we went to this very bad

> aggression.

I've never heard of grisiofulvin but assume it's an anti-fungal treatment

from your description? If so, you might want to check into side effects

especially it's possible affect on the liver. Some anti-fungals can be

really tough on the liver but you don't see obvious negative effects right

away until the liver gets weaker and can't filter out toxins as well. If you

gave him the drug in the summer and around September he began having the

tantrums, it could be related. Then again it " it worked wonders " means he

had a very bad yeast infestation perhaps the worsening is due to yeast

flare-up.

Whenever I see a worsening of symptoms I always check possible triggers in

all areas: environmental (anything sprayed recently or anything new brought

into the house the child could be reacting to), allergies (foods, inhalants

or chemicals), nutritional (zinc deficiency can cause weird volatility and

trantrums), heavy metals or other toxic load (recent vaccine? exposure in

area?), emotional/stress (school situation, way people are reacting to him,

more expectations, harder work schedule, etc), benefit to actions (does he

get something from tantruming -- sometimes a big negative reaction can even

be rewarding to our kiddos).

Gaylen

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  • 10 months later...

,

My 3 yr old son is GF/CF since July. He is not normally agressive, however

when the yeast overgrowth flares up, it is unbelievable how he begins to act.

Once he has been on Ketaconazole for a week or so, he calms back down. They

can actually do a stool sample, send it to the lab, and the lab will try

different treatments on the yeast in the stool and let you know which

treatment worked the best.

Our son takes Probiotic capsules and the medicine and we try to eliminate

most sugars. Hope this helps.

Carolyn

Mommy to , 4 (NT), Chandler, 2:10, (HFA)

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Jill,

What you described in your son is exactly what we are seeing in our

pre-schooler.

He has already kicked a teacher and almost threw her jaw out when he threw

his head back during a tantrum. You mentioned your son screamed very loudly and

our son does that, sometimes unexpectedly. He has also made inarticulate

noises when he was frustrated at school.

I'm so glad that your son has made progress w/ behavior modification and

medication. I'm noting it for future reference.

Thanks so much for sharing your experience. It is really encouraging to me.

We are so anxious for therapy to start. Next week he will start to see an OT

twice a week. School district is going to work on sensory issues and said they

can recommend him for testing (AS). It's reassuring to hear that progress can

be made with therapies!

EAH

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<<<< The school

called the autism specialist and she set up a behavior modification plan

....... which was very skillfully carried

out by his team of teachers.>

major point!

F

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Get a functional behavioral assessment and a behavior intervention plan from

a competent consultant.

Regards

Vince

Vince Winterling

Vineland, NJ

Aggressive behavior

Hi, I'm , new to the site. My son, Samson, is 11 years old and

has Aspergers and ADHD. We're having a problem with aggressiveness. He

is enrolled in a YMCA day camp this summer, and has been suspended for

hitting anither child. This was a problem last school year, too. This

year he starts a new school, and I'm really worried about this

behavior. I'm afraid he'll be in trouble all the time and be labeled a

bully again this year. I really want him to have a fresh start this

school year, without any pre-concieved notions about him. I am

concerend about him getting suspended from school (again), and just

really don't know what to do. If anyone has had this problem, or can

offer any advice, I would really appreciate it. Thank you.

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Vince,

My grandson is 11 and we are having the same problems. If you find some suggestions, would love to hear them. I wish I had a solution for you but I don't.

Thanks.

Lois

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I agree with Vince, its absolutely neccessary. Also has his sensory needs been met ? Thats a big one. Visual reinforcement in place and used consistently ? Get the analysis...you wont be sorry.

CB's Granny

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I’m a

professional and I work with tough kids and do functional assessments and

design plans for kids. I’ve been doing it for a number of years and am

fortunate to have been trained by the best.

The secret is

understanding what the kids want and what motivates the acting out. Once you

understand the idea of a functional assessment (i.e., function over form), you’ll

be able to better assist your grandson.

There are

numerous sites on the web that describe the FBA process. The University of South Florida

has a site, as does University of Kansas, SUNY, Stoney Brook, University of Oregon

is good too. If you get some basic understanding of the process even though you

might not be able to do it, you’ll be able to interview a prospective

professional who might be able to help you.

Regards

Vince

Vince

Winterling

Vineland, NJ

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Vince,

My grandson is

11 and we are having the same problems. If you find some

suggestions, would love to hear them. I wish I

had a solution for you but I don't.

Thanks.

Lois

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Dear Vince,

Thanks for the response. However, with an autistic child you sometimes don't know what they want or what causes the behavior. That is the frustration. We try to redirect him but it doesn't work with him.

I'll look up the places you mentioned.

Lois

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Hi. We have been on nids since April. For the most part we are doing better, but

recently my 5 year old son (aidan) has been displaying aggressive behavior. We

are on acyclovir (no change in hhv titers with valtrex or famvir) and increased

paxil to 5 mg about 3 weeks ago. He only displays really bad behavior toward his

3 year old sister and dad. Never me. Have told Goldberg about it but ge says

continue meds - prob bc he has made some speech and eye contact improvement. But

he also hits his teacher when it's time to go (I think he likes school).

We have tried behavioral intervention, time outs - where he is separated from

the rest of us; also taking away his favorite toys, etc. Not sure if it's the

allergies or something he's eating. Not too much has changed besides increased

paxil dose. It's to the point I don't want him to be alone with sister. And dad

is frustrated he's aggressive for no reason. Help please!!

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One problem that comes with their bodies getting healthier is that sometimes

they pick up where they left off. The fact that your son has more eye

contact and speech is improving means something good is going on in his

brain. How old was your son when he started exhibiting symptoms of autism?

If he was two when he started to deteriorate and become autistic? If so he

will start developing like a two year old which doesn't look so good at age

5. All kids need to go through the same stages of development. When our

kids do at 5 what other kids do at two; it can seem like a behavior issue

but he is really just starting to develop again. Sometimes new behavior

problems are actually a sign of getting better. Your son is actually

starting to care about his surroundings. That doesn't mean you let him get

away with stuff.

The worst time of development with autistic and normal kids is when they

know what they want but can't talk yet. They are so frustrated at this

time. Before he was unaware of what was going on around him. Not so

anymore. Think about how it would feel if you see a candy bar and want it

and can't get it or tell anyone to give it to you. Especially if it is

chocolate. That would kill me.

Just try to stay calm and praise him when he is doing something right.

Ignore the negative behavior as much as possible ( easier said than done).

If he is misbehaving go to another room to withdraw your attention. They

want our attention more than anything. I remember locking myself in my room

and not coming out until he was calm. He of course was banging on the door

and screaming. Following this post is an an article on the top ten things

to know to parent your child. And when you get really crazy, call me. I

get it.

Marcia

805 497-8202

Top Ten Rules for Parenting Your Child

by Marcia Hinds

10. Start acting like your kids are normal. Don't give up and don't accept

their condition. Treat them like they understand everything you say. Don't

stop talking to them even though they give you no indication one way or

another that they understand you. (They do, even though they don't respond

appropriately or give you eye contact.)

9. Never talk negatively about them in front of others even if you think

they can't hear you. Remember many have supersonic hearing until their

immune systems are regulated. Even though we are all tired and overtaxed,

they need to know their parents believe in them and would do anything to

help them.

8. Don't avoid stressful situations or meltdowns--they have to follow the

same rules as the rest of the world. When they do meltdown (and we all know

they will) don't make excuses for them. It is embarrassing, but get over

it. Always do what is best for your child and learn to not worry about what

other people think. (Most people don't understand our situation and think

we are horrible parents anyway. Some are convinced our kids are just

spoiled and out of control.)

7. Learn to ignore what they are doing wrong and praise or reward what they

do correctly. I know this is difficult with our kids, because most of what

they do is inappropriate. But find that one thing they do right during the

course of the day. It may be hard to find, but keep looking. As far as

eliminating undesirable behaviors, don't try to fix everything at once.

Pick the one thing they do that drives you out of your mind and only work on

eliminating that behavior. When that is mastered, pick another.

6. Consistency and positive reinforcement are key. Reinforcement must be

immediate for all kids, especially children. They can't be rewarded at

the end of the day or given a prize at the end of a good week. (A long time

ago Maurice told me to use what they love to reward. That was

great advice. For my child physical things were difficult (catching a ball,

walking, skipping etc. We would set up an obstacle course and at the end of

the course there was a computer game. My kid loved anything with computers.

The computer was one of his main therapists. He only played educational

games, no mindless drivel.)

5. Don't get so engrossed in the medical care, therapy and ABA that you

forget they are kids. Kids need to go to the park and be hugged by mom and

dad. Sometimes when it would all get to be too much, we would stop therapy

and take a vacation for a week. We would just have fun together and I could

be mommy instead of the lead therapist.

4. When you are at the end of your rope, feel that there is no hope, and

have trouble continuing, fake it. When I was depressed and had terrible

thoughts, I would crank on the rock and roll and the entire family would

start dancing around the house. Even though I didn't feel it, eventually I

did feel better when I faked it.

3. Listen to all the experts, but trust your gut. No one knows your child

like you do. You live this every day. When a doctor told me I shouldn't

have my son's tonsils out, I did it anyway. After that, his constant strep

was gone and he wasn't sick all the time anymore.

2. Stop wasting time being mad that you have to teach your child what every

two-year-old learns easily and naturally. Stop feeling sad for yourself and

your child. You don't have time for that. There is too much work to be

done.

1. And most importantly, you need to be more stubborn than they are!!!!

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I agree with Marcia that a lot of times, really bad behavior starts coming out

when these kids start 'waking up'.  That increased eye contact is key here. 

If

you can ride this out a month, you may find it improves.

There are two aggression triggers for my son that over-ride behavioral issues,

and they are very consistent:  allergy meds, especially zyrtec (and least

claritin but if daily, it'll get him too), and soy protein, especially soy

lecithen. With the allergy meds, the aggression doesn't get fully out-of-control

until he's been on it a month to 6 weeks (when we've long forgotten that we

started a new med), and the soy lecithen doesn't show up until a couple of weeks

of eating it daily, then it takes exactly 5 days to get out of his system. 

(Soy

proteins only - soybean oil is fine because it doesn't have protein).

We go thru the soy mistake over and over - at least yearly, because I forget

when things are going well and it builds up gradually.  It is only when life

gets soooo bad and he's unhappy and angry every minute of the day, and I can't

think straight from how awful life has become, and it will suddenly dawn on

me. 

We will have allowed an occasional snack w/soy lecithen in it, and he will have

managed to get that snack up to daily and start self-restricting to those

foods.  But you can mark a calendar for when it's going to be all better after

pulling it out.

I mention the food because the soy really does get a lot of kids and makes them

very oppositional, and it is not too terribly hard to pull it out for a week to

see if it makes a difference (it was actually traumatic to do it for us lol but

in retrospect his suffering was so much worse than losing a couple of foods, and

I started baking cookies he loves and rice krispie treats to make up for it

while he went thru it).  However, if it IS the kind of food reaction I'm

talking

about, then it is usually all day and there is little to no happiness  at all

-

joy is practically non-existent when my son is in this state.  Since your son

isn't attacking you as well, I suspect it's more behavioral.   It can always

help to keep and food and day log to figure out triggers, but lecithen is in so

many purchased things that it's hard to keep it out for 5 full days without

doing it specifically.  But I made a lot of mistakes early on trying to blame a

lot of behaviors on foods when some of it was just normal, so regardless, you

have to treat it like a behavior while just keeping eyes wide open.

Try to get ahold of the book " Siblings without rivalry " real quick.  When my

son

had a lot of aggression towards my littlest one, I was very angry about it, and

a lot of my responses to the aggression made the problems worse and damaged

their relationship, and we're still working on repairing that damage today.  I

also taught my youngest son to be a 'victim' by the way I reacted.  What makes

sense when you're trying to protect your youngest child may not help overall. 

So please please don't respond with anger, and don't let the youngest believe

that he or she is helpless.  Be very very calm and positive when you tell them

we don't act that way or hurt people.  Then, try to figure out what the sibling

is doing that might cause a fear reaction in him: is the sibling going towards a

toy and he's afraid the sibling will take it/break it?  Is he having sensory

issues and the other child is making a noise that's freaking him out?  And

watch

carefully ... I was shocked when I had it pointed out to me (I denied it at

first but eventually saw for myself) that my youngest was literally provoking

many of the attacks.  I never did figure out why.  The younger sibling

develops

a rage at the older for the mistreatment, and they figure out very subtle ways

to get them punished when they discover they have that power.  I see a lot of

my

mistakes in retrospect, but when I follow that book, things go a lot better. 

It

is very hard to do when someone (even if it is your own child) is hurting or

mistreating one of your children.

Good luck with that.

Hope that helps,

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From: Meera <meera327@...>

Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 11:27:29 PM

Subject: Aggressive behavior

 

Hi. We have been on nids since April. For the most part we are doing better, but

recently my 5 year old son (aidan) has been displaying aggressive behavior. We

are on acyclovir (no change in hhv titers with valtrex or famvir) and increased

paxil to 5 mg about 3 weeks ago. He only displays really bad behavior toward his

3 year old sister and dad. Never me. Have told Goldberg about it but ge says

continue meds - prob bc he has made some speech and eye contact improvement. But

he also hits his teacher when it's time to go (I think he likes school).

We have tried behavioral intervention, time outs - where he is separated from

the rest of us; also taking away his favorite toys, etc. Not sure if it's the

allergies or something he's eating. Not too much has changed besides increased

paxil dose. It's to the point I don't want him to be alone with sister. And dad

is frustrated he's aggressive for no reason. Help please!!

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