Guest guest Posted November 29, 1999 Report Share Posted November 29, 1999 Bill, Great post! I've been using vinpocetine for about a year, and so has my mom. One thing you didn't mention is that an hour after taking 10 mg of vinpocetine, as soon as a question forms in your mind, the answer is there. At least for me! It almost feels like a race to see if the question can be formed faster than the answer. ;-) Also, I have read that studies show 10 mg is the max effective dose at one time. No greater benefit derives from larger doses, though it can be taken up to four times a day. This is common with nootropic drugs that have the wonderful & safe effects vinpocetine does. It is called the " inverted U effect. " What that means is that too little doesn't do much, and too much has a diminishing effect. But vinpocetine is the best for memory recall & for the eyes. Other good ones to investigate are piracetam, hydergine, pramiracetam, lucidril, deprenyl, & bromocriptine. I'm taking all of the above except bromocriptine. I was taking it, but stopped when I started injecting growth hormone. Vinpocetine & leutine are the two things that halted the progression of my 82-year old mom's blindness from macular degeneration. She's moving in with me next week, and along with one of Saul's ozone generators that is arriving tomorrow, I hope to help her reverse her blindness. Saul says he's heard of macular degeneration improving with ozone insufflation. And those prices you quote -- WOW! I've been paying $28 for 120 10 mg tabs. Your sources are about 1/3 cheaper. For people who want more information on nootropic medicines, age-related cognitive deficiency or memory loss, or for alzheimers or parkinsonism or sexual dysfunction try http://www.ceri.com jim > From: Bill Kingsbury <kingsbry@...> > > Regarding herbal medicine, have you heard of vinpocetine, > a periwinkle (herb) seed extract ? > > Good results occurred with 10 or 20 mg taken every 12 hours. > Side effects are relatively rare. > > Vinpocetine prices seem to have fallen over 70% recently. > > Two low cost Vinpocetine sources are: > http://www.peggyshealth.com 120 tablets x 5mg = $10 > http://www.beyond-a-century.com 100 x 10mg (powder) = $11 > -- jim@... ICQ:16531148 http://www.doorway.to/madscience http://www.doorway.to/poetry Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with catsup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2001 Report Share Posted February 20, 2001 are you using this product? --- KM <soulwoman1@...> wrote: > You can buy vinpocetine at > http://www.beyond-a-century.com. > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 > Andy: If a child responds positively to vinpocetine > and then stops taking it, will the child regress to > pre-vinpocetine or will the progress made be > permanent? Most likely the progress will only continue as long as the vinpocetine does. There are certain limited situations where it does lead to lasting improvement when discontinued, but this is less common than needing to keep taking it. Since it is cheap and innocuous I wouldn't worry about that. After all, if you stop giving your kid food or water they die. That doesn't make them something to minimize or avoid. Andy .. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 I can only respond for myself. I tried to go without for a few days (lazy, basically) and that's about how long it took to realize that this was going to be daily. However, there was virtually no " make-up " time before I started to see the benefits. I only take 5 mg daily. My son (with Andy's encouragement) just went to 10 mg. No ill side effects. No other change either, but the changes we always see are subtle, not overt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 > I can only respond for myself. I tried to go without for a few days (lazy, > basically) and that's about how long it took to realize that this was going > to be daily. However, there was virtually no " make-up " time before I started > to see the benefits. > > I only take 5 mg daily. My son (with Andy's encouragement) just went to 10 > mg. > No ill side effects. No other change either, but the changes we always see > are subtle, not overt. In the countries where the stuff has been used for decades, it is invariably prescribed several times per day. 3 or 4 is typical. You might try your son on 5 mg twice a day rather than 10 mg daily. Andy . . .. . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 Quick question for anyone. I will be doing the hair test soon on my 4 1/2 yr. old. Should my child be on vitamins prior to taking the test? He is taking Nu-Thera and Cod Liver Oil right now. Does it throw off the results at all? Should I delete the vitamins for a more accurate reading or don't the vitamins matter??? Thanks. Carla [ ] Re: vinpocetine > I can only respond for myself. I tried to go without for a few days (lazy, > basically) and that's about how long it took to realize that this was going > to be daily. However, there was virtually no " make-up " time before I started > to see the benefits. > > I only take 5 mg daily. My son (with Andy's encouragement) just went to 10 > mg. > No ill side effects. No other change either, but the changes we always see > are subtle, not overt. In the countries where the stuff has been used for decades, it is invariably prescribed several times per day. 3 or 4 is typical. You might try your son on 5 mg twice a day rather than 10 mg daily. Andy . . .. . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 Just saw this mention of Vinpocetine, so I thought I would respond. We have used this twice with our son. (The bottles are little so they get used up quickly.) He got energized and more verbal as I recall. It was definitely something I had noted as being of some help. I just need to get more of it. (His bottles were flavored so it didn't taste bad at all.) Meg Message: 22 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:27:12 EDT From: TMS1000@... Subject: Re: anyone using Vinpocetine? In a message dated 10/10/02 9:30:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, krnstvn@... writes: > Tina, > how old is your child that you are giving the vinpocetine? could you let us > > know if you see any results. > karen > 12 years old. I took it today also...i'll keep you posted. tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 Hi Andy; That's what we do...10 mg in divided doses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 I just started my son on Vinpocetine yesterday; he's getting 1/2 cap per day, working up to 1 cap per day. He has been more irritible, stimmy, & generally upset. What reactions & eventually what improvements have folks seen with Vinpocetine? Thanks in advance, Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 how many mg are you giving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 Hi Valentina, I'm not giving up on it just yet; he does tend to overreact to supplements easily. (Very sensitive). He has 5mg capsules & only gets 1/2/day of that right now. His nutritionist said 5mg would be enough for now. If he does okay we might raise it I guess. Do you give them am-mid-pm? with meals? I've been giving along with other supps in the am. That's great about your son - we've never seen startling results with anything with our son as of yet; little bits & pieces of improvements here & there. Nystatin has set him back. I was hoping for the best with this one & will keep up with it; it's too early to tell yet. Thanks! Michele In a message dated 11/11/02 7:48:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, val@... writes: << Hi Michele, I give my son 5mg of Vinpocetine 3 times a day (we started about 3 weeks ago) and all I can say is that I am amazed. He changed in better in so many ways... It is a pleasure for me these days to look at him, to go out with him, to see him learning and acquiring new skills. He became so calm these days, that Sunday I had to stop this round of chelation because I wasn't sure what's happening with him. I never saw my son so calm before. I thought maybe something is wrong with him because of chelation or something... but he was fine... It's amazing. It's like he's finally able to sit still and listen. He definitely can hear better. He is saying now every word I ask him to repeat. Also, his words are so clear... anybody can understand them. He says a lot of words by himself also, he asks for things... His fine motor skills improved dramatically! He can draw by himself, he uses the computer and plays games, he finally likes legos and other building stuff... I am sorry it's not working for you... I wish I knew what exactly this Vinpocetine does because my son improved so much since I give it to him... Valentina >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 what brand of vinpocetine are you all using? I could only find 10 mg capsules. karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 Hi ; We saw no negative reactions with Vinpocetine from day one, although other supplements have at times been extremely negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 We're using Jarrow's. 5 mg capsules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 > I just started my son on Vinpocetine yesterday; he's getting 1/2 cap per day, > working up to 1 cap per day. He has been more irritible, stimmy, & generally > upset. > What reactions & eventually what improvements have folks seen with > Vinpocetine? Hi Michele, I give my son 5mg of Vinpocetine 3 times a day (we started about 3 weeks ago) and all I can say is that I am amazed. He changed in better in so many ways... It is a pleasure for me these days to look at him, to go out with him, to see him learning and acquiring new skills. He became so calm these days, that Sunday I had to stop this round of chelation because I wasn't sure what's happening with him. I never saw my son so calm before. I thought maybe something is wrong with him because of chelation or something... but he was fine... It's amazing. It's like he's finally able to sit still and listen. He definitely can hear better. He is saying now every word I ask him to repeat. Also, his words are so clear... anybody can understand them. He says a lot of words by himself also, he asks for things... His fine motor skills improved dramatically! He can draw by himself, he uses the computer and plays games, he finally likes legos and other building stuff... I am sorry it's not working for you... I wish I knew what exactly this Vinpocetine does because my son improved so much since I give it to him... Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 In a message dated 12/11/2002 01:10:07 GMT Standard Time, krnstvn@... writes: > what brand of vinpocetine are you all using? I could only find 10 mg > capsules. > karen > > I think www.iherb.com do 5mg ones, probably www.lef.com too HTH Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 > I'm not giving up on it just yet; he does tend to overreact to supplements > easily. (Very sensitive). My son used to react to supplements too a year ago, when we started chelation, but I was never sure if he really reacts to supplements or if that's his natural state. He used to be so hyper, and would cry for no reason and have tamper tantrums and Boy! I still remember how every day I had to put stuff back in all my cabinets and drawers because that was like his favorite occupation... Anyway, he is a completely new kid now. > He has 5mg capsules & only gets 1/2/day of that > right now. His nutritionist said 5mg would be enough for now. If he does okay > we might raise it I guess. Do you give them am-mid-pm? with meals? I've been > giving along with other supps in the am. Yes, I give it in the morning, at noon and in the evening. I give it with or without meals, with or without other supplements. I don't think it matters. I give him 5mg each time, so 15mg a day. > That's great about your son - we've never seen startling results with > anything with our son as of yet; little bits & pieces of improvements here & > there. Nystatin has set him back. I was hoping for the best with this one & > will keep up with it; it's too early to tell yet. I really hope you'll see good results. Maybe you need to give more... I don't know... We saw changes from the first 3-4 days, but I thought I am imagining I plan in lowering the dose soon. I will go to 2.5mg/dose. I was reading somewhere that you have to start with a higher dose and keep it up for about a month or so and then lower it. I have no idea if this is how you're suppose to do it, but it worked for my son. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 > what brand of vinpocetine are you all using? I could only find 10 mg > capsules. Nature Made, 5mg Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2002 Report Share Posted November 11, 2002 are the 2 of you using different brands? [ ] Re: Vinpocetine > I just started my son on Vinpocetine yesterday; he's getting 1/2 cap per day, > working up to 1 cap per day. He has been more irritible, stimmy, & generally > upset. > What reactions & eventually what improvements have folks seen with > Vinpocetine? Hi Michele, I give my son 5mg of Vinpocetine 3 times a day (we started about 3 weeks ago) and all I can say is that I am amazed. He changed in better in so many ways... It is a pleasure for me these days to look at him, to go out with him, to see him learning and acquiring new skills. He became so calm these days, that Sunday I had to stop this round of chelation because I wasn't sure what's happening with him. I never saw my son so calm before. I thought maybe something is wrong with him because of chelation or something... but he was fine... It's amazing. It's like he's finally able to sit still and listen. He definitely can hear better. He is saying now every word I ask him to repeat. Also, his words are so clear... anybody can understand them. He says a lot of words by himself also, he asks for things... His fine motor skills improved dramatically! He can draw by himself, he uses the computer and plays games, he finally likes legos and other building stuff... I am sorry it's not working for you... I wish I knew what exactly this Vinpocetine does because my son improved so much since I give it to him... Valentina ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 The one we have is by iNutritionals. It's 5mg/cap. I got it from his DAN! nutritionist. Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 Did you start out at a full dose of 15mg? I've always been in the habit of starting slowly with him since he's so sensitive. I may give him that extra 1/2 to get up to 5mg today & see how it goes. He's been volitile since starting Nystatin so it could just still be that; I've hated this round of treatments! We're going on to other anti fungals soon (should be " fun " ). Then chelation. Thanks, Michele In a message dated 11/11/02 8:48:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, val@... writes: << plan in lowering the dose soon. I will go to 2.5mg/dose. I was reading somewhere that you have to start with a higher dose and keep it up for about a month or so and then lower it. I have no idea if this is how you're suppose to do it, but it worked for my son. Valentina >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2002 Report Share Posted November 12, 2002 > Did you start out at a full dose of 15mg? Hi Michele, Yes. I started giving him 5mg, 3 times a day, so 15mg a day. > He's been volitile since starting Nystatin so it could just still be that; I only tried once to give Nystatin to my son, but the reaction he had... I don't think I will try that again. He is doing great with GSE, other yeast killers, but not Nystatin. I don't know what's special about Nystatin, but it made my son so aggressive and emotional and he was acting like he's getting crazy. Very weird. I stopped it fast. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 In a message dated 11/12/02 11:53:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, val@... writes: << I only tried once to give Nystatin to my son, but the reaction he had... I don't think I will try that again. He is doing great with GSE, other yeast killers, but not Nystatin. I don't know what's special about Nystatin, but it made my son so aggressive and emotional and he was acting like he's getting crazy. Very weird. I stopped it fast. Valentina >> We've had a rough time with it as well. We had 1 more refill but I'm ending it here. She said we would go on to Flagel & after some natural antifungals. Any experience with flagel? Thanks again, Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 > She said we would go on to Flagel & after some natural antifungals. > Any experience with flagel? Hi Michele, I don't know how much my experience with Flagyl will help you... I didn't give my son Flagyl after we started chelation. I gave him this before I even knew something is wrong with him. He was very small, and full of yeast and parasites. Of course he had horrible reactions every time I tried it because I wasn't helping his body with anything else, and I was giving him full dose, because... that's what the good doctor told me to do (even if the pharmacist told me to start with a smaller dose). Anyway, my son had problems every time we tried it... rashes, allergies, crazy behavior, vomiting... you know the picture... But as I said, I wasn't doing it right, so I don't know what to tell you... Try it... see what's happening... Just start with a small dose and give supplements to support his body to get rid of the toxins. Good luck Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2003 Report Share Posted July 29, 2003 Have you considered that some of the negative side effects of vinpocetine aren't really harming your son? For example, headaches can sometimes mean healing because of increased blood flow to an area that had previous hypoperfusion. Inflammation and increased blood flow in healing an area (could be caused by vinpocetine) would be uncomfortable but might actually be beneficial. When I got deeper into chelation I got some wicked headaches that I intuitively recognized as healing headaches... One explanation for increased sound sensitivities would be that the increased blood flow to new parts of the brain are also carrying circulating mercury to those new parts of the brain, resulting in new Hg side effects. So it is a balancing act between the two - benefits and downfalls of vinpocetine. But, vinpocetine is also a potent brain ANTIOXIDANT according to my conversations with Andy (Andy, correct me if I'm wrong) so it is probably also doing wonders for protecting his brain. Anyway, just my 2 cents. > I recently posted here about how well my son was doing > on vinpocetine. Just wanted to let you know that I'm > taking him off of it for awhile. I think he's getting > the headaches that I was warned about, though he can't > tell me that. His hearing sensitivities have been > extreme, to the point of crying when he hears loud > voices. My son rarely cries! He doesn't even want to > go to the playground lately, and he's been having more > meltdowns. > It usually takes my son about 2 weeks to react > negatively to a new supplement, and he's been on it > for 2 weeks. It kills me to take him off of it!! > He's been saying alot more words since taking > vinpocetine, even combining words. Maybe I'll try > again later at a lower dose. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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