Die Off

[Guest guest]

Hi , I live in Washington State also, Carson to be exact. Die off is

when the yeast dies in your body and is fighting to be fed more sugar. That

is when you crave sweets and things you should not have. Be tough and just

try to eat health. Remember they did not have sugar in the olden days and

everyone lived just fine. Myra

Die off

> Hi, I am new to the list and have only just started learning about it. I

> have been a month with just eating no baked goods with yeast or any gluten

> products. I am amazed at how much better I feel and how I have had a

> dramatic improvement in yeast infections that had plagued me on a chronic

> basis almost all my life. I know I still have lots of changes to make and

> much to learn.

>

> My question is, what is die off that you talk about? Is it the

candidiasis

> in your body that dies? Please help by educating me!

>

> Thanks for all your good info so far..

>

> in WA (Enumclaw)

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am new here and my name is Fran.I am searching for answers that so far

have not been answered.I have been ill for many years, but up until Nov.98

was not so bad, but I had a Pulmanarey Embolism, but only after I had been

through the mill with antibiotics.I get reaccuring flare up of infections

but have refused to use any antibiotic for over a year.The last time I did,

I got an ear infection, thrush in my mouththroat and stomach, a vaginal

yeast infection, and started itching all over from some kind of raised

rashed that looks a little like warts.I am miserable.I have many things

going on with me but cannot find a decent doctor who can help me.They were

treating me for pnemonia and bronchitus when I had the blood clot.I am in

constant pain and most of the doctors believe it is my imagination or

something.I have gained weight and it is all a vicious cycle.I use herbs and

have tried cutting down on breads, meats, and soda.I am hoping that I will

find some solutions to thse problems and be able to get rid of them.I read

the message about the different foods and I do try to do that whenever I

can, but my energy level is nill.I also have some kind of problem with my

liver, but like I said can not find a decent doctor to help me.I sometimes

even have problems with low blood sugar too.My husband is diabetic and

should eat much healthier than he does too.Thank you and hope to talk again

soon.

Peace,

Fran

>From: MogdrMom@...

>Reply-candidiasisonelist

>candidiasisonelist

>Subject: Re: Die off

>Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:36:55 EST

>

>: Did your Dr. prescribe any meds. or herbs? That you need for sure.

>fresh green leafy salads, radishes, onions, garlic, Fish, Chicken, Turkey,

>Grd. Round

>Pau-D-Arco Tea you can use sugar subs. STEVIA. just a couple drops, i drink

>plain club soda for the pop effect. make home made soup, (beef, onions,

>cabbage, tomatoes (with out Citric acid) garlic, celery, ) sometimes you

>can

>get away using potatoes, or long grain rice , parsnips or turnips.) it

>makes

>agreat soup.

>Read the list i sent earl;ier & look up Biamonte's web-site & print this

>out

> & read it. i hope this helps, if any more questions please ask! have a

>good

>day. Mogdrmom

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I'm new to the list. I have a bad case of candidiasis according to my

Urologist and Nutritionist.

HELP I work full time have a 19 month old, son 3.5 year old daughter,

Interstitial Cystitis and am busy with church. I am only 30 years old and

not looking forward to this diet life long. All I want to eat is breads and

sugar items pretty much. I'm not a big vegetable or meat eater. I can't

have any fruits but blueberries and pears fresh, no canned foods.

I have no time to hand make all my foods. I was told I couldn't buy anything

premade and had to make everything from scratch. Are there any foods out

there for the busy people that make this diet easier?

I don't even have the Yeast Connection Cook book yet I'm still looking for

it. I have read 150 pages of The Yeast Connection for Women since Wednesday

of this week already in my spare time.

Help.

Thanks,

(IN)

[Guest guest]

: Did your Dr. prescribe any meds. or herbs? That you need for sure.

fresh green leafy salads, radishes, onions, garlic, Fish, Chicken, Turkey,

Grd. Round

Pau-D-Arco Tea you can use sugar subs. STEVIA. just a couple drops, i drink

plain club soda for the pop effect. make home made soup, (beef, onions,

cabbage, tomatoes (with out Citric acid) garlic, celery, ) sometimes you can

get away using potatoes, or long grain rice , parsnips or turnips.) it makes

agreat soup.

Read the list i sent earl;ier & look up Biamonte's web-site & print this out

& read it. i hope this helps, if any more questions please ask! have a good

day. Mogdrmom

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the information. I couldn't access that site, it said bad host or

something? Could you resend the site the your health one?

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I am taking one allergy free vitamin for 9 days then adding another

supplement for 9 days then adding garlic. Dr. Mosbaugh won't prescribe

Nystatin or Diflucan for at least a month he said only if the diet works. I

don't agree with this approach I would prefer hit it full force now and see

good results.

Suggestions?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01/08/2000 2:34:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

jei@... writes:

<< http://www.health-truth.com/TourProgram.htm >>

Thanks for this address it is very helpful I will read it in full later.

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 Dsfoss1@... wrote:

> From: Dsfoss1@...

>

> I am taking one allergy free vitamin for 9 days then adding another

> supplement for 9 days then adding garlic. Dr. Mosbaugh won't prescribe

> Nystatin or Diflucan for at least a month he said only if the diet works. I

> don't agree with this approach I would prefer hit it full force now and see

> good results.

>

> Suggestions?

>

AFAIK, Garlic can cause a die-off.

Someone asked for the correct URL, I think it is:

http://www.health-truth.com/TourProgram.htm

++ J

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/8/00 2:34:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, jei@...

writes:

<< AFAIK, Garlic can cause a die-off.

>>

What does AFAIK stand for ?

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 Nascar0531@... wrote:

> From: Nascar0531@...

>

> In a message dated 1/8/00 2:34:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, jei@...

> writes:

>

> << AFAIK, Garlic can cause a die-off.

> >>

>

> What does AFAIK stand for ?

As Far As I Know. :-)

++ J

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> My question is, what is die off that you talk about? Is it the

candidiasis

> in your body that dies? Please help by educating me!

I have coppied a section of an article from Holistic Health.com one the

subject of Die-Off. I copied this from another web site where I purchase

olive leaf extract which is very good at treating candida. that site is

www.otrecure.com

The " Die-Off Effect: " A Good Sign. In cases where people are suffering with

a chronic problem there may be a quick and somewhat adverse reaction. The

" die-off effect, " or Herxheimer Reaction, refers to symptoms generated by a

detoxification process. As the body begins to deal with dead microbes, one

may experience a vareity of detox symptoms.

" Die-off " occurs as large quantities of invading organisms die. When that

happens, the dead microbes release toxins and other substances. The cell

wall proteins of the dead microbes get absorbed into weakened mucous

membranes. When large quantities of this foreign material are present, the

body begins a process to get rid of it. Sometimes it's more than the

eliminative organs can handle at one time. The liver, kidneys, intestines

and skin may become over-burdened. Thus, one could feel ill or develop a

skin reaction. All of these conditions are good signs -- they indicate that

the olive leaf extract is working to destroy germs that may be causing

various conditions of ill health. Common reactions include fatigue,

diarrhea, headaches, muscle/joint achiness or flu-like symptoms. Some people

may develop a rash, pimples or other skin condition. Severity differs also

from person to person, depending on the extent of the problem.

How to Handle the " Die-Off " Effect. The best way to maximize the power of

olive leaf extract and limit any adverse reaction is to drink four cups of

water in between usages. Water helps to strengthen the lymphatic system and

flush the kidneys.

In the event of substantial detoxification symptoms occur that produce

discomfort, the first line of attack is to drink a large amount of distilled

or reverse osmosis water. If detox symptoms persist, there are other courses

of action as well.

One might consider reducing the daily intake of olive leaf extract. One

might even stop taking it altogether for a few days. It may take a day or

two, or even a week, for the body to process and eliminate the toxins

produced by the dead microbes. After these few days, one should résumé

taking olive leaf extract at a slightly lower amount and increase slowly.

Many people also find that large amount of vitamin C help the body during

this time.

" Die-off " is only temporary and usually ends with a greatly enhanced feeling

of well-being. Olive leaf extract is very safe, in spite of the " die-off "

detoxification effect among some individuals.

I hope you find this of benefit.

In Health,

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/17/00 6:34:06 PM, artemis.agency@... wrote:

<<

Any better suggestions?

>>

Yeah, I have one, but I you didn't like it yesterday. LOL Colonics will get

those dead yeast beasts out. I promise it will make you feel better. In the

absence of a colon therapist, even an enema that gets to the cecum will help

immensely!

Lynn

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In a message dated 7/17/00 7:38:53 PM, artemis.agency@... wrote:

<<Oh dear. I was hoping to avoid a colonic. Probably sounds childish to

you but I really don't think I could face such a thing. I can't even

have a smear test!

And what if I still felt ill?

>>

***** Geez, Artemis. You must be child-less. Cause I'll tell you..... once

you've been pregnant and been up in those stirrups weekly, it ceases to be a

big deal. Is it your embarrassment, or pain, or what???

THe reason I ask is this.... I am a nurse, myself, and I wanted to re-assure

you that if it is your embarrassment, that is a non-issue to a nurse.

Seriously, we (nurses and other health care providers included) see so many

bodies and body parts that they all blend in to one big crotch or " bum " or

whatever. Really, we don't even notice. It's like an auto mechanic.... all

those engines jsut start to look alike, after a while, LOL. And especially

for those MDs and colon therapist who see nothing ELSE all day long.... like.

" take a number " !!!!! LOL Seriously, I know you have reservations, but I

would not steer you wrong. I've been doing the diet and yeast killing herbs

and stuff for 3 weeks. Started with colonics at the same time, and have had

NO die-off symptoms.

THe greatest number of yeast organisms live in your colon, and if they are

dying there and giving off toxins, no WONDER you feel sick!! I can't see how

a colonic could FAIL to make you better.... it would wash out all the dead

yeast that was available at the time, and it would not get an opportunity to

dump its toxins into your body!! Of course, more yeast would die as time

goes on, and that's why they recommend a series of colonics. But just ONE

would prove to you that it could help. If it didn't..... well then, don't do

another one.

Other than that, I suppose the NEXT best thing you could do would be high

fiber diet (including psyllium husks) or possibly a laxative to move the

yeast/waste out quickly. None of those are as effective in cleaning out waste

as fast as a colonic, tho.

And no, I have no commercial interest in colonics, and I do not " sell "

them..... a month ago I was as skeptical as anyone about them, but I have had

to change my thoughts on that. I'm just glad I was open-minded enough to give

it a try, despite my reservations. I've had to " eat my words " ...... oh well,

at least they contain no sugar, LOL.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Hello Friends!

Well I am suffering now from die off and I feel terrible. There's no-one

to look after me or to understand. I just feel rotten.

Trying to drink lots of water but feel nauseous. Fell asleep in fron of

th e tv this evening. Just woke up at 00:30 feeling soooo baaaadd.....

Any better suggestions?

Lee

(suffering)

[Guest guest]

Oh dear. I was hoping to avoid a colonic. Probably sounds childish to

you but I really don't think I could face such a thing. I can't even

have a smear test!

And what if I still felt ill?

Lee

[Guest guest]

Dear Lynn

Many thanks for all your time and trouble in explaining everything. You

sure have " got my number2 haven't you? Of course I am child-less - I

couldn't face the gyn exams!!!

I would like to try lots of fibre and laxatives first. I am going into

town today and will visit the health food shop for fibre tablets.

Lee

[Guest guest]

I've on SF722 (just started my 5 pills 3x a day) and am going through die

off, despite eating rice and other " nasty " food. So some of the yeasties

are dying, anyways.

Headaches, lot of peeing, very thirsty, and an irritated bladder. Last time

I killed off the yeast (using Nature's Secret Candistroy - but I had to stop

part way into it because my doctor started weaning me off other medication

and we didn't want it to affect my moods, etc), I had a sore bladder for a

couple weeks. When I would pee, chunks of yeast of would come out into the

toilet. So it felt like a bladder infection. And now this is starting

again. This is the worst part. So for now, I am drinking more than the 12

cups of water I usually drink a day and making sure I don't hold it for

long.

Amy

[Guest guest]

Amy: your doing good.just take one day at a time. try to go for a sm. walk.

just think of all the yeasty beasties your getting rid of! your winning! I'm

praying for you. Mogdrmom

[Guest guest]

That sounds like classic die-off to me, Brett - isn't it horrible?!

There are things you can do to speed it up, though - drink lots and

lots of filtered water (at least 2 litres a day), take 1-2g effervescent

vitamin C a day, and try a supplement like milk thistle to help your

liver get rid of the toxins. You should start to feel more human

within a week, in my experience, and the worst of the die-off will be

over in about ten days. Stick with it!!

Ann

[Guest guest]

Treating candida can be quite a challenge, and involves a radical

life change with respect to diet and stress, especially if you have

leaky gut as well. You need to go at it systematically. Anyone who

think s/he has candida should always get a comprehensive stool

analysis done, as well as a intestinal permeability ( " leaky gut " )

test. Great Smokies Laboratories is a good lab. (I don't buy into

kinseology and iridology.) If you have leaky gut you will never feel

better no matter if you " correct " the candida problem. You should

rotate four antifungals, changing every four days, else the yeast can

become resistant. And I strongly suggest following the guidelines in

Eating for your Blood Type. This helped me greatly. Also, if there is

a possibility of mercury leakage from your fillings, you should have

that checked as well. If you correct candida, it will come back if

mercury is leaking into your GI tract.

Some people go around and around for years with candida, and it's

complications, because they don't treat it properly. Don't go at this

lightly. Find a naturopathic physician who has an excellent track

record dealing with this problem and its complications, and ask for

references.

KB

[Guest guest]

, a lot of the tests will come back negative, most of my tests are done by the stool , urine and a blood test did show up positive, but the rest showed up negative. how are your symptoms? you have to go on those also. does your anti fungals make your feel better or worse? Mog

[Guest guest]

How do you know if you have leaky gut? Can you feel

it? Does it cause certain symptoms? Also, I talked

with a doctor who wants to do some kind of urine test,

which will be sent off to the Great Plains Lab in

Kansas. She says this will check for any products the

Candida produces. Has anyone else here ever had this

done? If anyone has, did you find it useful? I am

really afraid it will turn up negative, as all of the

cultures they have done in my mouth came up negative.

Does anyone know why the thrush doesn't seem to like

to culture? I find this puzzling, as the same doctor

who made the diagnosis did the culture. Unfortunately,

he was only a temp. doc and I had to go to my regular

physician, who I am convinced knows even less about

medicine than I do. Does anyone else here have

problems with Candida in the mouth? Or is everyone

else's mostly intestinal?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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--- kornbelt@... wrote:

> Treating candida can be quite a challenge, and

> involves a radical

> life change with respect to diet and stress,

> especially if you have

> leaky gut as well. You need to go at it

> systematically. Anyone who

> think s/he has candida should always get a

> comprehensive stool

> analysis done, as well as a intestinal permeability

> ( " leaky gut " )

> test. Great Smokies Laboratories is a good lab. (I

> don't buy into

> kinseology and iridology.) If you have leaky gut you

> will never feel

> better no matter if you " correct " the candida

> problem.

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[Guest guest]

I am not taking anti fungals, as I have just recently

really started looking into this. Most of my symptoms

are in my mouth. I used to have a problem with

diarrhea for awhile, but a course of nystatin

(interestingly enough) cleared that up completely. Why

it didn't clear up the stuff in my mouth I don't know,

although I've heard that nystatin is mostly for the

gut. I also have it in my throat and sinus, which is a

recent thing. I'm hoping it won't spread to my lungs

or brain or anything like that. Can it? I hope not.

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--- mogdrmom@... wrote:

> , a lot of the tests will come back negative,

> most of my tests are done

> by the stool , urine and a blood test did show up

> positive, but the rest

> showed up negative. how are your symptoms? you have

> to go on those also. does

> your anti fungals make your feel better or worse?

> Mog

>

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[Guest guest]

, could you explain what symptoms you had

when you got it in your sinus? I had an episode I never

had before. My sinuses started burning, also around my

eyes. Is this a yeast attack that I experienced? Or was

your symptoms different. I am very puzzled and it would

help if you replied, thank you, LIZ

I don't know if it could spread to our brain, but anyway the

brain doesn't experience any pain. I have been wondering

if a heavy yeast overgrowth is what causes Alzheimer.

Re: Re: Die Off

I am not taking anti fungals, as I have just recently

really started looking into this. Most of my symptoms

are in my mouth. I used to have a problem with

diarrhea for awhile, but a course of nystatin

(interestingly enough) cleared that up completely. Why

it didn't clear up the stuff in my mouth I don't know,

although I've heard that nystatin is mostly for the

gut. I also have it in my throat and sinus, which is a

recent thing. I'm hoping it won't spread to my lungs

or brain or anything like that. Can it? I hope not.

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--- mogdrmom@... wrote:

> , a lot of the tests will come back negative,

> most of my tests are done

> by the stool , urine and a blood test did show up

> positive, but the rest

> showed up negative. how are your symptoms? you have

> to go on those also. does

> your anti fungals make your feel better or worse?

> Mog

>

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In a message dated 2/8/01 9:46:56 AM Central Standard Time,

kornbelt@... writes:

<< I suggest the CDSA and the parasitology test as well.

(No, I am not associated with Great Smoky Mountains Labs) >>

I also had these tests and recommend them.

Tracey