Die Off

[Guest guest]

I have constipation lately. I'm taking cascara sagrada & drinking aloe vera

for that & also to help heal esophageal erosion. It helps with constipation.

Not sure about the esophagus damage which is still troubling me muchly. I'm

going to try fermenting milk with grain culture & drink kefir next which

I've been reading has helped so many people with GERD/

acid reflux/heartburn.

From: " shelleypaul1 " >

Does anyone have constipation with the die off?

[Guest guest]

Cascara sagrada & aloe vera juice work fine for me.

From: <jeannekrieg@...>

> Yes I had constipation with die off at first.....then it corrected itself.

> Make sure you are drinking enough water and taking in enough good fats. To

> get things going again you can take a lot of vitamin C or take some extra

> magesium.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>

> Can someone explain 'Die - off' symptons fro me. Are they flu -like?

> If so I suspect I am there.

==>Die-off symptoms are flu-like symptoms caused by high numbers of

candida being killed off which releases large numbers of toxins into

the system. Die-off symptoms are actually detoxing or healing

symptoms. Read the File (after the folders) " Healing Reactions, The "

to understand it more.

> Coffee and green tea, have seemed to worsen the symptons. Generally

> are these bad while on the diet?

==>Caffeine contained in coffee and teas can cause problems. It is best

not to have caffeinated drinks. Try Pau D'Arco tea instead, or other

herbal teas that are caffeine-free. Also you could try Swiss Water

processed decaffeinated coffee.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Also you could try Swiss Water

processed decaffeinated coffee.

*** I am really sensitive to caffeine..even in tea. I have found one good brand

of Swiss water processed tea and that is Twinings decafinated teas.

Jeanne otn

[Guest guest]

Could some one share a bit more with me on " die off "

I think that I am understanding it as sort of a detoxing effect that comes

from changing your bodies chemistry in this case by adding coconut oil to

your diet.

I started a few weeks ago with the recommended 1 tsp, gradually worked up to

that 3 x a day and felt no effect from it so worked up to 3 Tbsp a day. At

that level, I began to experience periodic diarreaha (sp?) , some belly

bloating and a headache 2 different days that did not dissipate until I ate

a good meal. I cut back again to 3 tsp a day, but I am concerned that at

this level I am not doing any therapeutic good. Does this sound like the

reaction of a toxic body to the addition of a healthy nutrient. I am

willing to believe that my system needs a good cleansing.

Any suggestions as to how I can increase my intake, or at what rate so I

don't have so much trouble with these side effects?

Thanks

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Sounds like die off to me! I would just increase by one teaspoon a day for 5

days and than add another.

Or you can just go for it and put up with the intense die off for awhile and get

it over with. Vitamin C, magnesium, and rest helps me when I am going through

severe die off.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee, I have a question. I have now been on the diet for more than

a month. It seems that so many here are getting die off symptoms and

feeling so bad or worse before getting better. Not me. Why? I've been

getting into the diet slowly actually since Thanksgiving. Started the

diet strickly since the new year. Seems that things are getting

better and better. No brain fog, no depression (I'm actually feeling

calm, and happier than I have for a long time. A feeling of

wellness). My fibro, and colitis, dry eye,and skin have all been

better. I've also got lots of energy. No dieoff. I'm not complaining

but, why do some suffer so with it and I have none?

==>In my opinion most people who have the greatest difficulty do not

follow the diet in its entirety nor take all of the supplements and

other recommendations. The entire candida program works together and

you can't do some things and not do others. Those that do better

follow the instructions better.

>The only thing that is taking its good ole time clearing is my

vag/rectal rash. It did get worse and then somewhat better. Now it is

just not improving. The itch is almost gone, but the rash and redness

are still there. It is something I've been working on for years and

have tried everything. Any encouragement?

==>I had vaginal problems for over 25 years before starting on the

candida program and it was the last thing to heal - it took 2 1/2

years, which follows Hering's Law of Cures, taking 1 month of natural

healing for every year of illness. Have you tried everything in the

Vaginal Yeast file? Especially alternating probiotic with antifungal

douches, and also applied coconut oil frequently to the rash?

>

> The other thing I've been doing is something I've done for 3

years is self-muscle testing. I do believe I even read about it here

in the files. Well, at first I did not want to test my foods as I

wanted to just stick with your plan only. I did not want to narrow it

down any further. I feel full and satisfied eating your plan with the

good fats and meats. Well, I went and started testing to see how many

foods were good for me. Wow! A big discouragement. Chicken (organic),

pork and ground beef tested bad for me. What a shock! I've always

felt good with meats and they have been good for my diabetes sugar

control. What do I do now? Only fish so far tests good for me. I'm

afraid to eat too much fish, because of the mercury in it. I have

had good luck in the past with muscle testing my foods. I've tested

everything and basically know what is good for me and not. Most of

the foods in your diet test good except for the meat. Should I

exclude that from my diet, also? Val

==>I would say dispense with the muscle testing, and eat the good

unadultered meats, which your body needs to heal.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>I have now been on the diet for more than a month.

>The only thing that is taking its good ole time clearing is my

>vag/rectal rash....

> Any encouragement?

Hi Val,

A month is not really that long....healing takes time. The bulk of

Candida overgrowth is in the digestive system and when you consider

that the " outlet " for the digestive system is the rectum, so near the

vagina...well, in my experience, the yeast likes to go back and forth.

vag/rectal itching has been my most persistant concern as well. I've

been on the diet for a little over a year and those symptoms are

finally starting to subside almost completely in just the last couple

of months. There is really no set time limit for them to go (every

person's body is different). You just need keep doing the diet, be

patient and continue to relieve the symptoms as you can.

> Well, I went and started testing to see how many foods were good for

>me. Wow! A big discouragement. Chicken (organic), pork and ground

>beef tested bad for me. What a shock! I've always felt good with

>meats and they have been good for my diabetes sugar control. What do

>I do now?

If you feel good with these meats, then why not keep eating them? I

think you're body would " tell " you if they were not good for

you--whether by indigestion, stomach upset, diarreha, etc.

Have you muscle tested Bison meat? It is sooooo good and good for you too.

You might also try turkey.

all the best,

jackie

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee & All,

> after 1 month on the diet, i add coconut oil and had some rash on

my skin but i still can tolerate it, until now my coconut oil dossage

is 10 tblspoon a day.

==>Adib, " More is not better " ! Your body just throws off excess fat

that you take, so it is a waste. Your body cannot use any more than

5 1/2 tablespoons per day in divided doses.

>Last week i took raw garlic, 3 cloves a day, but didnt feel some die

off. In the 3rd day i increased 6 cloves a day until now i have 10

cloves a day.

==>Again, " more is not better " - 10 cloves per day won't hurt you but

it isn't necessary. Your body can only deal with so much at a time

so taking it in divided doses is very important.

>Wow, i feel hard die off. More skin rash and more itchy skin, also i

got cough+phlegm. I tried an enema,but the rash & itchy got harder. I

didnt decrease the garlic, i want fight it until my body can tolerate

it My cough+phlegm is lighter now, but still have the rash+itch.

Any tips?

==>Your body will tolerate it better if you increase doses of garlic

every 5 days and it can't handle more than 5 cloves per day.

Otherwise you just overwhelm your body and it will go into a tizzy

not knowing what to do with the high doses of coconut oil and garlic

you are feeding it. Please remember " more is not better " .

>I also want to know, where is exactly candida's colonization take

place before they become systemic? at the upper or lower intestine?

==>Candida colonization starts in the gut, but there are many mucus

membranes throughout the body that normally contain candida that can

also mutate into overgrowth. Mostly candida toxins get into the

bloodstream via the entire intestines and from other mucus membranes

that have candida overgrowth, which is what causes symptoms and

breakdown in different areas of the body. Systemic candida is

misunderstood - some areas of the body never have candida overgrowth,

but all areas can be affected by candida toxins.

Bee

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/06/2006 13:18:44 GMT Daylight Time,

OVanPelt@... writes:

I have been taking my antifungal along with the diet since Thursday. When

should I expect to feel die off? I feel pretty good so far, actually.

Hi

I felt it the very same day.

I took the anti-fungal herbal around lunch-time and that night I have severe

insomnia as a result.

I did not realise this was related to die-off until some kind soul on this

list put me straight.

Next day I had the feeling of being poisoned and was in a very severe state

for 6 days. I really wanted to go to the hospital except they are all idiots

there and it would not have helped. I could barely speak I felt so bad.

I did read somewhere yesterday that it can take two weeks for die-off to

show.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

Olif, I'm not surprised you're doing OK.

What they call die-off, AKA a Hexheimer response, is a reaction

to toxin load; although people often equate it to the numbers of

pathogens being killed, it's caused by antioxidant depletion,

rising toxin load and the a reaction to that.

Toxins won't be a problem if they're being effectively dealt

with; if you keep your antioxidant pool and your liver function

up you'll probably get less reaction, and as you become more

toxic the reaction will trigger more easily and become more

obvious.

This is readily seen in similar situations; the bad side effects

associated with chemotherapy or radiation can be almost

completely avoided with an antioxidant program that includes cold-

processed whey, a glutathione precusor. Some people who undergo

cancer therapy but first take the antioxidants don't even get

sick enough to be off work. The role glutathione plays in

detoxification generally, including detoxifying drugs, is part of

the peer-reviewed documentation.

Duncan

On 12 Jun 2006 at 0:02, candidiasis wrote:

>

> Posted by: " Olif " OVanPelt@... olifmary

> Date: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:18 am (PDT)

>

> I have been taking my antifungal along with the diet since Thursday.

> When should I expect to feel die off? I feel pretty good so far,

> actually.

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

[Guest guest]

Sue,

It appears as if you posted several messages about the same thing.

I'm having problems with too, so I understand.

Flu-like symptoms are die-off. You should stop the antifungals and

probiotics like I said and concentrate on increasing your coconut

oil.

Bee

>

> Hi all--boy do i need help:

>

> I think i over did it! I began taking an anti fungal that

contained

> garlic, oregano, caprylic acid, and other ingredients for about 6

> days now i stopped yesterday. Boy am i sick as can be with upset

> stomach and fatigue. I took threelac for 3 months and felt the

same

> way the entire time. My dr told me to stay clear of anti fungals

> entirely but i didnt listen so now i pay the price.

>

> ANy suggestions for getting rid of this stomach upset. I also

began

> the coconut oil at the same time only at 1/2 tsp daily. Can the

> coconut oil contribute to die off?

>

> I think i need to take my drs advice and just do the diet and

> supplements.

>

> Bee...what are your thoughts on die off. This feels just like the

> flu and it began yesterday slightly but today its bad! Remember i

> just had the tick bite 5 days ago and had a bad case of lyme in

1994.

>

> I am so discouraged

>

> sue

>

[Guest guest]

bee,

can coconut oil create die off also? I was confused as to which to stop the

anti fungals the probiotics or the coconut oil? I thought i should stop all 3,

but you think i should stick with the coconut oil. Why?

Thanks

Sue

Bee Wilder <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

Sue,

It appears as if you posted several messages about the same thing.

I'm having problems with too, so I understand.

Flu-like symptoms are die-off. You should stop the antifungals and

probiotics like I said and concentrate on increasing your coconut

oil.

Bee

>

> Hi all--boy do i need help:

>

> I think i over did it! I began taking an anti fungal that

contained

> garlic, oregano, caprylic acid, and other ingredients for about 6

> days now i stopped yesterday. Boy am i sick as can be with upset

> stomach and fatigue. I took threelac for 3 months and felt the

same

> way the entire time. My dr told me to stay clear of anti fungals

> entirely but i didnt listen so now i pay the price.

>

> ANy suggestions for getting rid of this stomach upset. I also

began

> the coconut oil at the same time only at 1/2 tsp daily. Can the

> coconut oil contribute to die off?

>

> I think i need to take my drs advice and just do the diet and

> supplements.

>

> Bee...what are your thoughts on die off. This feels just like the

> flu and it began yesterday slightly but today its bad! Remember i

> just had the tick bite 5 days ago and had a bad case of lyme in

1994.

>

> I am so discouraged

>

> sue

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> Bee

>

> How long does or can die off last? I seem to have a problem with

> getting ridof die off. When i was threelacing i had die off

almost

> the whole time as i couldnt get rid of it. I was using anti

fungals

> for 10 days this time and i have had die off for 4 days now.

Naseau

> and diahrea and slight fatigue. But mostly upset stomach. Last

ti me

> it ended up turning into colitis...

>

> I have meds for the stomach thing but how long can the die off

last?

>

> Thanks

==>Some people must stay on the diet " only " for a longer period of

time - up to 6 months - before they can tolerate antifungals, which

cause die-off. Maybe go back to the diet only for another month,

and then try antifungals at a low dose and gradually increase it. I

was on the diet for 6 months before starting antifungals and still I

had tremendous die-off, but I was off work so I endured it!

Bee

[Guest guest]

Kim wrote:

>

> Hi Bee> I'm up to 4 tbsp of coconut oil now and have been

experiencing the following die off symptoms:

>

> 1. headache

> 2. dizzyness when I stand up

> 3. irritability

> 4. diarrhea that is unpredictable

>

> Does this sound pretty common? Should I start some garlic and oil

of oregano yet?

==>Those symptoms are common die-off. Maybe you should wait awhile

to start on garlic or oregano.

>

> And my rash is so bad now. But I wonder if it's worse from the

heat. It is brutally hot and humid here and I have no a/c. It's

from my neck to my crotch, particularly concentrated in my bikini

areas. It's like clusters of red blotches and then single round and

oval blotches. It completely disappeared at first when I started the

diet. When it's not inflamed it's a reddish brown, looking like a

birthmark, but when it's irritated it's quite red. Should I take a

picture? I am just wondering if it is something else. I've tried

coconut oil with drops of oregano oil. Any advice?

==>The skin is the best way for the body to get rid of toxins so that

vital inner organs are protected, but the heat and humidity will make

it seem worse. Also most candida sufferers have more symptoms during

humid weather. Try taking cool epsom salt baths; maybe mix up the

epsom salt in warm water first to dissolve it and then add it to the

water. Baking soda in the water also helps sooth the rash a lot - 1

cup of each works well in a bath. Also try applying baking soda

paste. As always, ensure you are taking all of the supplements and

not taking others, and that you stick closely to the diet. You can

drink some cool herbal teas to help your body detoxify, i.e.

dandelion, stinging nettle, etc., as well as lemon and ocean sea

salt, coffee enema, etc.

> Thanks! And hope you're not as hot in Alberta as it is in

Onterrible!

==We were hot here for awhile, but it's cooled down again. We had

only 5 degrees celcius overnight last night. Whew, it's a relief not

to be so hot. I think you got much hotter weather there! My daughter

lives in London, ON and it's unbearable.

>

Luv, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Hi for me, i've had mixed reactions. I've had it where I got definite

die off and then got a lot of improvement after I went through that,

but this time around, I haven't really had much die off at all and my

improvements are little. So I feel I have more going on than candida

and am trying to find out what.

But definitely, the diet is essential to me, even though it's not the

entire answer for me at this rate.

I don't know if a lot of die off symptoms means you are sicker and more

toxic, or if it means your body is able to assert itself more and is

able to really start reducing yeast. I think it's combined. Some

don't get much die off and simply improve, some get a lot of die off,

feel awful then improve a lot. Others don't notice much either way and

don't know if what they are doing is helping or not. I almost WISH I

would get die off, that way I'd KNOW for sure things were happening.

I only know this, stick to the diet regardless of die off symptoms or

not. Also, it might take longer for some people to begin getting a die

off, it may even begin to occur much later on with the diet, weeks or

so. Normally if you're new to something, the die off can begin in a

few days, but like me, if you've done this before a few times, I feel

that it will take me longer to get back on top of it. Whether I get

die off or not later down the track, I don't know. I'm certainly not

getting it anymore that I'm aware of.

>

> iam aware i have candida but i never seem to have a crazy die off i

> stil has bloating gas everyday like crazy but iam able to have early

> night now with no insomnia ....

>

>

> The more toxic you are or the worse your candida, the greater will be

> your die-off or detox reactions. is this true or no???? does that mean

> i dont have bad candida since iam not getting the amazing dieoff

> everyone is talking about??

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lilly,

Everyone's body is different, not everyone gets " crazy die-off " . The

goal of following Bee's program is to strengthen the immune system and

keep the yeast at it's normal, balanced level. If you're following the

program, you're doing everything right! Be glad you don't have crazy

die-off!

)

jackie

>

> iam aware i have candida but i never seem to have a crazy die off

[Guest guest]

have you started cabbage rejuvelec for healthy bacteria?, i think now would

probably be a good time.

i have read bee say many times the point of the diet is not die off but it is

too strengthen the body and immune system.

in my experience when the body is diseased it can crave food that is bad for

it, but when it becomes well it will crave food that is good for it.

at this point although i am not well yet, some days i feel better than i have

ever felt in my whole life and i couldnt imagin giving up bee raw egg drink,

rich bone broths and raw fish and meat salads for any food high in carbs, but

that just today maybe tomorrow if i feel unwell i wil crave some chocolate

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another point is, whatever is wrong with your body, the diet will help with

it. through my reading i dont think i have come across any disease that doesnt

respong well to htis diet

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>

> another point is, whatever is wrong with your body, the diet will

help with it. through my reading i dont think i have come across any

disease that doesnt respond well to this diet. Joe

==>I agree with you Joe. Our bodies do not get sick from a lack of

drugs, surgery, etc. and not even from a lack of herbs; it gets sick

from a lack of nutrients. I know an orthomolecular physician who wrote

on another group that Bee's diet will cure anyone! That's why I'm

setting up a website about natural healing with mainly good foods.

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> How soon do you experience die off?

==>, some people experience it right away and others later on.

>

> I've only been on the diet for two weeks, but now I suddenly have a

> cold. I didn't have any symptoms except yesterday at work I

> experienced nausea, headache and then I was suddenly sick.

==>Colds are used by the body detoxify, so don't suppress it with any

medicines - see the Sinus & Nose article in the Treatment Folder for

help. Nausea and headache, plus the cold are die-off symptoms too.

Die-off are flu-like symptoms. Do what you can to help your body

detoxify as listed in my article under Handling Die-off Symptoms.

Bee

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Bee,

I took a tablespoon of EVCO this morning, I like the taste but I seem

to have a stronger wave of nausea than before. Also, I don't feel like

eating, I have no appetite, should I be concerned? I mean I really

don't want to force myself to eat if I don't want food.

Any ideas about stemming the nausea, I'm at work and I have to be here?

[Guest guest]

> I took a tablespoon of EVCO this morning, I like the taste but I

seem to have a stronger wave of nausea than before. Also, I don't feel

like eating, I have no appetite, should I be concerned? I mean I

really don't want to force myself to eat if I don't want food.

>

> Any ideas about stemming the nausea, I'm at work and I have to be

here?

==>Did you start at low doses and gradually increase them? A tabls at

one time for you would be too much because it creates more healing

symptoms.

==>You can take 1 tsp baking soda in about 6 ounces of warm water; sip

it slowly until your nausea subsides. If that doesn't work take some

Pepto Bismol, but buy the one without aluminum.

==>Sometimes we need to force ourselves to eat, but that is when you

have Bee's Egg Drink or bone broths, i.e. foods that are liquid and

very easy to digest.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>Bee,

I ususally cook with coconut milk (unsweetended) in my regular diet so

I'm used to having coconut products. Not to mention that I sometimes

eat raw young coconut(something left over from childhood). I feel

better now, I think I felt nausea because I did not eat enough from

yesterday and then not enough this morning either. I am having lunch

now (curry chicken and veggies cooked with a little bit of coconut

milk) so my stomach feels a lot better but I still have the other die

off sypmtoms.

Did I mention, I had the most intense sugar craving yesterday, I

thought I was going crazy. I had some chlorophyll and lettuce salad

with lots of garlic, that seemed to help.

Thanks Bee for all your help.

[Guest guest]

>

> how long can die off last?

==>Hi There. Welcome to our group. What is your name please? Also

please put your name at the end of your messages for our blind member,

Maddalena. Thanks so much.

==>The amount of time die-off lasts varies person to person. It

depends upon many factors: 1) How strictly you follow the diet and

take the supplements. 2) How long you have had candida. Most people

nowadays have had it since birth. 3) How much damage candida has done

in the body, and other health problems present. 4) The nutritional

status you inherited from your parents upon conception. 5) How many

toxins you've been exposed to, particularly medical drugs and

treatments. And so on. It will help to read articles in our Healing

Naturally folder.

The best in health, Bee