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We had an interesting experience on our last phone consult. We were

on the phone for 30 minutes and Dr. G's office charged us for 1 and half

phone consults ($278 instead of $185). Has this happened to anyone

else? We've been with Dr. G for 5 years and this has never happened

before. Is this a new thing or did we have a confused office staffer?

Marcia, you are so lucky to live close! The phone consult costs are

tough on us as I'm sure they are on everyone.

On 7/30/10 9:33 AM, and Marcia Hinds wrote:

>

> ,

>

> You are right Dr. G does charge for phone consults. Those are not covered

> by medical insurance. We are fortunate to live close now enough not to

> have

> to do phone calls anymore. But when was young we lived in Minnesota

> and also had to do the phone calls not covered by insurance. ( Much

> cheaper

> than a plane trip to LA) I am grateful he is willing to treat kids out of

> state. Do you know how difficult that is for a doctor to do? And Dr. G

> unlike Stan Kurtz is a doctor with medical expertise. Stan charges

> $200 for

> an hour to another parent who is going through what we face every day. He

> is making money off our kids. I find that criminal.

>

> And if you want to compare doctor fees, I'm told Mc Carthy's doctor

> charges $1000 for an hour's consultation. I think Dr.G is extremely

> reasonable considering he has to pay his office staff who have to deal

> with

> much more with treating patients not in state. A friend of mine who lives

> in Singapore has a kid on the spectrum. Her child was hospitalized for an

> extremely high fever. Her doctor from there talked to Dr. G to help her

> child. Do you realize the complexity of getting these two specialists to

> talk with the time differences and their crazy schedules? But Dr. G

> made it

> happen because he truly is devoted to helping our kids. So yes he charges,

> but I think he is less than the guy who fixed 's ingrown toenail the

> other day. I'm done venting now. Sorry about that.

>

> Marcia

>

>

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Thank you Marcia... and agreed! Im SO thankful Dr. G will do phone consults at

all. He is taking a risk to treat our kids long-distance. His fees are NOTHING

compared to the DAN docs we saw.

>

> ,

>

> You are right Dr. G does charge for phone consults. Those are not covered

> by medical insurance. We are fortunate to live close now enough not to have

> to do phone calls anymore. But when was young we lived in Minnesota

> and also had to do the phone calls not covered by insurance. ( Much cheaper

> than a plane trip to LA) I am grateful he is willing to treat kids out of

> state. Do you know how difficult that is for a doctor to do? And Dr. G

> unlike Stan Kurtz is a doctor with medical expertise. Stan charges $200 for

> an hour to another parent who is going through what we face every day. He

> is making money off our kids. I find that criminal.

>

>

>

> And if you want to compare doctor fees, I'm told Mc Carthy's doctor

> charges $1000 for an hour's consultation. I think Dr.G is extremely

> reasonable considering he has to pay his office staff who have to deal with

> much more with treating patients not in state. A friend of mine who lives

> in Singapore has a kid on the spectrum. Her child was hospitalized for an

> extremely high fever. Her doctor from there talked to Dr. G to help her

> child. Do you realize the complexity of getting these two specialists to

> talk with the time differences and their crazy schedules? But Dr. G made it

> happen because he truly is devoted to helping our kids. So yes he charges,

> but I think he is less than the guy who fixed 's ingrown toenail the

> other day. I'm done venting now. Sorry about that.

>

> Marcia

>

>

>

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To keep this in context Stan Kurtz is an untrained advocate sharing his

experiences with a limited number of kid.s. Dr G and others have spent a decade

or more in formal schooling, have seen thousands of kids and have spent hundreds

of thousands of dollars to acquire a verifiable and accredited expertize, not to

mention a board certified Doctor of pediatric medicine, Others like Stan and the

SCIA are running on limited knowledge, two demensional experience and no medical

nor science back round.

If you are an advocate - advocate.

Doctors treat kids.

In California the malpractice insurance alone has run off most proactive docs.

In Florida I can not even get a gen practice doc to write an antiviral

prescription without CDC support because of the liability!

I guess you should not pay your dentist either. If you want to complain do it to

you orthodontist.

>

> ,

>

> You are right Dr. G does charge for phone consults. Those are not covered

> by medical insurance. We are fortunate to live close now enough not to

> have

> to do phone calls anymore. But when was young we lived in Minnesota

> and also had to do the phone calls not covered by insurance. ( Much

> cheaper

> than a plane trip to LA) I am grateful he is willing to treat kids out of

> state. Do you know how difficult that is for a doctor to do? And Dr. G

> unlike Stan Kurtz is a doctor with medical expertise. Stan charges

> $200 for

> an hour to another parent who is going through what we face every day. He

> is making money off our kids. I find that criminal.

>

> And if you want to compare doctor fees, I'm told Mc Carthy's doctor

> charges $1000 for an hour's consultation. I think Dr.G is extremely

> reasonable considering he has to pay his office staff who have to deal

> with

> much more with treating patients not in state. A friend of mine who lives

> in Singapore has a kid on the spectrum. Her child was hospitalized for an

> extremely high fever. Her doctor from there talked to Dr. G to help her

> child. Do you realize the complexity of getting these two specialists to

> talk with the time differences and their crazy schedules? But Dr. G

> made it

> happen because he truly is devoted to helping our kids. So yes he charges,

> but I think he is less than the guy who fixed 's ingrown toenail the

> other day. I'm done venting now. Sorry about that.

>

> Marcia

>

>

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Did you call to ask if it was billed correctly?

Caroline G.

From: and Daron Freedberg <mdfreedberg@...>

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:49:12 -0400

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Subject: Re: Charges for Dr. G

We had an interesting experience on our last phone consult. We were

on the phone for 30 minutes and Dr. G's office charged us for 1 and half

phone consults ($278 instead of $185). Has this happened to anyone

else? We've been with Dr. G for 5 years and this has never happened

before. Is this a new thing or did we have a confused office staffer?

Marcia, you are so lucky to live close! The phone consult costs are

tough on us as I'm sure they are on everyone.

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I agree with all the comments regarding Dr G and his grounded medical

background , his fees are likely a reflection of experience built on several

years worth of work which places him in high demand with parents looking for

viable solutions, I wonder how he keeps track of the sheer volume he works

with!

However I feel this lady asked a simple question which seems to have got

lost in translation which is 'are the fees I paid reasonable and in line

with other's experience for the same service' and my suggestion would be to

revert to his office manager and ask the question because I don't think it has

been answered here.

In a message dated 30/07/2010 20:03:11 GMT Daylight Time,

klimas_bill@... writes:

To keep this in context Stan Kurtz is an untrained advocate sharing his

experiences with a limited number of kid.s. Dr G and others have spent a

decade or more in formal schooling, have seen thousands of kids and have spent

hundreds of thousands of dollars to acquire a verifiable and accredited

expertize, not to mention a board certified Doctor of pediatric medicine,

Others like Stan and the SCIA are running on limited knowledge, two demensional

experience and no medical nor science back round.

If you are an advocate - advocate.

Doctors treat kids.

In California the malpractice insurance alone has run off most proactive

docs. In Florida I can not even get a gen practice doc to write an antiviral

prescription without CDC support because of the liability!

I guess you should not pay your dentist either. If you want to complain do

it to you orthodontist.

--- On Fri, 7/30/10, and Daron Freedberg

<_mdfreedberg@..._ (mailto:mdfreedberg@...) > wrote:

From: and Daron Freedberg <_mdfreedberg@..._

(mailto:mdfreedberg@...) >

Subject: Re: Charges for Dr. G

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Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 10:49 AM

We had an interesting experience on our last phone consult. We were

on the phone for 30 minutes and Dr. G's office charged us for 1 and half

phone consults ($278 instead of $185). Has this happened to anyone

else? We've been with Dr. G for 5 years and this has never happened

before. Is this a new thing or did we have a confused office staffer?

Marcia, you are so lucky to live close! The phone consult costs are

tough on us as I'm sure they are on everyone.

On 7/30/10 9:33 AM, and Marcia Hinds wrote:

>

> ,

>

> You are right Dr. G does charge for phone consults. Those are not covered

> by medical insurance. We are fortunate to live close now enough not to

> have

> to do phone calls anymore. But when was young we lived in Minnesota

> and also had to do the phone calls not covered by insurance. ( Much

> cheaper

> than a plane trip to LA) I am grateful he is willing to treat kids out of

> state. Do you know how difficult that is for a doctor to do? And Dr. G

> unlike Stan Kurtz is a doctor with medical expertise. Stan charges

> $200 for

> an hour to another parent who is going through what we face every day. He

> is making money off our kids. I find that criminal.

>

> And if you want to compare doctor fees, I'm told Mc Carthy's doctor

> charges $1000 for an hour's consultation. I think Dr.G is extremely

> reasonable considering he has to pay his office staff who have to deal

> with

> much more with treating patients not in state. A friend of mine who lives

> in Singapore has a kid on the spectrum. Her child was hospitalized for an

> extremely high fever. Her doctor from there talked to Dr. G to help her

> child. Do you realize the complexity of getting these two specialists to

> talk with the time differences and their crazy schedules? But Dr. G

> made it

> happen because he truly is devoted to helping our kids. So yes he

charges,

> but I think he is less than the guy who fixed 's ingrown toenail the

> other day. I'm done venting now. Sorry about that.

>

> Marcia

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

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> And if you want to compare doctor fees, I'm told Mc Carthy's doctor

> charges $1000 for an hour's consultation.

Marcia,

If you are referring to Dr. Kartzinel, (the one she wrote her latest book with),

I must tell you that Dr. Kartzinel did several phone consults for no charge at

all for me and my son. I think we had at least five.

This was several years ago. We started with him in Florida, and followed his

practice to Texas. I never brought my son in, but gave a full medical history

including past labs. Dr. Kartzinel ordered more labs and interrpereted the

results. Each call was 50 minutes long and was paid for by a grant through his

practice. It was not difficult to obtain. My son qualified because I was a low

income single parent.

Dr. Kartzinel spoke to me about securing funding so we could fly in for a proper

office visit, but I did not follow up. We were doing so many things at the

time.

I know that it sounds fishy, to not see your doctor in person, but he truly took

the time to review my son's medical history and labs. When we spoke, he asked

questions that no other doctor conceived of, and he really listened to my

answers. Of all the DANS we saw, Kartzinel had the best idea of who my son was

and what his medical problems were in part because his own son, one year younger

than mine had such a similar history.

I paid for the labs he ordered and prescriptions (not done at his practice), but

his nurse/office manager was able to get my insurance to cover some of those

expenses too.

None of these doctors have all the answers yet, and some of them are taking

advantage. My experience with Dr. Katzinel is he is definately one of the good

guys. I so wish he could be our regular doctor. Did anyone see him on " the

Doctors " with McCarthy? I believe it is on You Tube.

I also like Dr. Goldberg's insistance on seeing patients in person, I do think

that is important. There are a lot of good guys out there fighting the fight

for us. Dr. Wakefield? Dr. Singh?

Just had to let you know how Dr. Kartzinel took care of us.

Jen

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