Re: Boundaries -- what's your worst Therapist story?

[Guest guest]

There are so many scary Therapists out there. Oh God! I had a really really

freakin great T who helped me to identify BPD in nada, and the only reason I

worked with him was beacuse I was a storm survivor from the Gulf Coast.

After I moved back here to the Gulf Coast, I searched and searched for a T to

replace him, but none measured up. Really good Ts who make a difference are

hard to come by.

The worst thing that happened to me in my search for a T was one sick man

psychotherapist, to whom I explained that I was searching for another T after

this great one I had experienced while being displaced. He really truly said to

me " Did you think he was so great because you were having sexual relations with

him? " I left his office and never went back.

I would like to start a thread about the worst T experiences people on here

have had. Has anyone else had really scary experiences of opening up in therapy

and having some wierd strange person sitting in the therapist's chair do

something creepy? Why do so many wierd and creepy people go into psychology?

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[Guest guest]

Weird, creepy people go into the psychology field because they are trying to

figure themselves or their parents out! My field is definitely related to

psychology, and I can say without a doubt that my original motivation in

studying violence was to figure out my fada. Fortunately, I realized early

on that counseling was not for me, and I also pretty much stopped thinking

about my fada (thanks to a good therapist) so I went into research and

policy. Now it's more like the general pursuit of social justice instead of

trying to fix one person at a time.

I met a couple of one-time only therapists. They weren't creepy, but they

weren't good either... weren't asking the right questions or steering me in

the right direction. Actually I went to one once specifically to help me

with my social anxiety, because I was pregnant and really worried about how

I would manage with my lack of a local support system (having fairly

recently fled to the opposite coast to get away from my parents and because

my husband was here). Well, clearly she was socially awkward herself, and

hadn't quite mastered the whole " making friends " idea. So she decided she

wanted to talk about my self-esteem. I'm not questioning whether self-esteem

is at the core of social anxiety, it probably is, but I was like " dude, I'm

8 months pregnant; I've just ballooned from my lifelong slightly overweight

170 pounds to 200 pounds. Do you really think this is the right time to talk

about self-esteem? Just give me tips on what to say, how to make small talk,

etc. Then after I have the baby and can't lose the weight, we can talk about

self-esteem as well. " But she didn't have any tips. I got a book instead.

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:28 AM, walkingto happiness <

walkingto_happiness@...> wrote:

> There are so many scary Therapists out there. Oh God! I had a really

> really freakin great T who helped me to identify BPD in nada, and the only

> reason I worked with him was beacuse I was a storm survivor from the Gulf

> Coast.

>

> After I moved back here to the Gulf Coast, I searched and searched for a T

> to replace him, but none measured up. Really good Ts who make a difference

> are hard to come by.

>

> The worst thing that happened to me in my search for a T was one sick man

> psychotherapist, to whom I explained that I was searching for another T

> after this great one I had experienced while being displaced. He really

> truly said to me " Did you think he was so great because you were having

> sexual relations with him? " I left his office and never went back.

>

> I would like to start a thread about the worst T experiences people on

> here have had. Has anyone else had really scary experiences of opening up in

> therapy and having some wierd strange person sitting in the therapist's

> chair do something creepy? Why do so many wierd and creepy people go into

> psychology?

>

> Walking to Happiness.

>

> From you friend

> " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " .

> May we all walk towards happiness...

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it

> now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Let me intro my comments with this disclaimer : some of these

details were never confirmed as fact. This is purely my opinion

based strongly on circumstances. Sorry folks, old habits die hard

and I'm just covering my backside.

My 'therapist' had an affair with my ex, (among others) and then when

I tried to change my life circumstances for the better (for me and my

son) she testified against me in court using stuff I had told her in

confidence in therapy.

Oh yeah,...she helped. I will never go to therapy again EVER.

Mercy

>

> There are so many scary Therapists out there. Oh God! I had a

really really freakin great T who helped me to identify BPD in nada,

and the only reason I worked with him was beacuse I was a storm

survivor from the Gulf Coast.

>

> After I moved back here to the Gulf Coast, I searched and

searched for a T to replace him, but none measured up. Really good

Ts who make a difference are hard to come by.

>

> The worst thing that happened to me in my search for a T was one

sick man psychotherapist, to whom I explained that I was searching

for another T after this great one I had experienced while being

displaced. He really truly said to me " Did you think he was so great

because you were having sexual relations with him? " I left his

office and never went back.

>

> I would like to start a thread about the worst T experiences

people on here have had. Has anyone else had really scary experiences

of opening up in therapy and having some wierd strange person sitting

in the therapist's chair do something creepy? Why do so many wierd

and creepy people go into psychology?

>

> Walking to Happiness.

>

>

> From you friend

> " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " .

> May we all walk towards happiness...

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.

Try it now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh this is so ironic that this thread was started today because today was

the weirdest of them all. According to my " therapist " I'm not ready to have

" feelings " yet because I can't control my thoughts.(Sound familiar? Nada

didn't allow me to have them either!) As soon as I mentioned that I was

part of a BPD support group she about went bananas! She was yelling and

screaming at me that I needed to " get the hell outta there " because all

those people do is suck you down into years and years of misery that is

impossible to recuperate from. She went on a rampage about how I couldn't

diagnose nor could anyone in the group BPD because it doesn't exist. When I

inserted that it was a DOCTOR who diagnosed that she flat out called me a

liar and told me that it couldn't be treated because it doesn't exist

therefore they could not be on medication for it. <*cough*bullshit*cough>

Now for the flip-side...when I admitted myself for psychiatric care and I

spoke to several doctors about what I was going through every last one of

them said they were impressed with how much I knew about the disease that

was effecting my parents which in turn, effected me. Afterall....if your

car is squeaking you don't fix the squeak, you find out the cause of the

squeak and only then can you truly fix the car. Every last one said that

they found it that I was articulate with expressing my feelings and they

were all impressed that I pretty much knew where I was headed. At one

point, one of the therapists said " well, I don't know who you are seeing but

stick with them because I haven't seen that kind of progress from any one

doctor in a very long time. " Ironically, the information I shared was

information I learned on these very boards! My current therapist has me

headed in the total OPPOSITE direction that I need to be headed in. As a

matter of fact, it was her therapy that landed me in the hospital with

thoughts of suicide!

When I share and read with the all of you on this board I walk away from my

computer with feelings of validation and hope...I dread going to therapy and

almost committed suicide by following her leadership...doesn't take alot of

math to figure this one out, right?

And yes....I stormed out of her office today and plan to file a complaint.

Oh, and if Randi is happening to read this, or if the list manager happens

to read it....My clinician told me today in no uncertain terms that " Randi

Kreger does not exist...the egg shell books are a total fabrication meant

to bring resentment and harm into the world of psychology. The person who

wrote the books used the name as a pen name and does not have the

credentials necessary to write a book that has anything to do with

psychology. "

That said....I think that statement from her alone speaks volumes about the

lack of knowledge this " clinician " has and I'm just glad I got out when I

did. It scares me to know that she is treating ANYONE....and PS to

Randi...if it weren't for you I most likely would not be alive today. Your

books have given me validation, hope and a family here that I was in

desperate need of.

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 3:02 PM, mercysaidno415

wrote:

> Let me intro my comments with this disclaimer : some of these

> details were never confirmed as fact. This is purely my opinion

> based strongly on circumstances. Sorry folks, old habits die hard

> and I'm just covering my backside.

>

> My 'therapist' had an affair with my ex, (among others) and then when

> I tried to change my life circumstances for the better (for me and my

> son) she testified against me in court using stuff I had told her in

> confidence in therapy.

>

> Oh yeah,...she helped. I will never go to therapy again EVER.

>

> Mercy

>

>

> >

> > There are so many scary Therapists out there. Oh God! I had a

> really really freakin great T who helped me to identify BPD in nada,

> and the only reason I worked with him was beacuse I was a storm

> survivor from the Gulf Coast.

> >

> > After I moved back here to the Gulf Coast, I searched and

> searched for a T to replace him, but none measured up. Really good

> Ts who make a difference are hard to come by.

> >

> > The worst thing that happened to me in my search for a T was one

> sick man psychotherapist, to whom I explained that I was searching

> for another T after this great one I had experienced while being

> displaced. He really truly said to me " Did you think he was so great

> because you were having sexual relations with him? " I left his

> office and never went back.

> >

> > I would like to start a thread about the worst T experiences

> people on here have had. Has anyone else had really scary experiences

> of opening up in therapy and having some wierd strange person sitting

> in the therapist's chair do something creepy? Why do so many wierd

> and creepy people go into psychology?

> >

> > Walking to Happiness.

> >

> >

> > From you friend

> > " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " .

> > May we all walk towards happiness...

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Yep, completely wacked.

I wonder if you have grounds to file an ethics violation with whatever

board she is represented by. What is her degree in? My instinct is she

may have read the critera for bpd and recognized herself, her

interaction with you about the 'boundaries' sounded very bpd/npd to

me.

I really hope you find a therapist worthy of you. I wish you could

take her to court and get all your money back too. Hugs.

[Guest guest]

Regardless if Randi Kreger is real or not, the person who wrote the

egg shell books was a God-send for me!! My boyfriend bought me that

book and it is honestly one of the best gifts he ever gave me! Not

only did it teach me how to handle my nada, but it gave me the self-

validation I needed and the strength to deal with her. Your T sounds

like she may have BPD and felt threatened by your knowledge. I would

absolutely file a claim and do a favor for anyone else she may be

harming.

> > >

> > > There are so many scary Therapists out there. Oh God! I had a

> > really really freakin great T who helped me to identify BPD in

nada,

> > and the only reason I worked with him was beacuse I was a storm

> > survivor from the Gulf Coast.

> > >

> > > After I moved back here to the Gulf Coast, I searched and

> > searched for a T to replace him, but none measured up. Really good

> > Ts who make a difference are hard to come by.

> > >

> > > The worst thing that happened to me in my search for a T was one

> > sick man psychotherapist, to whom I explained that I was searching

> > for another T after this great one I had experienced while being

> > displaced. He really truly said to me " Did you think he was so

great

> > because you were having sexual relations with him? " I left his

> > office and never went back.

> > >

> > > I would like to start a thread about the worst T experiences

> > people on here have had. Has anyone else had really scary

experiences

> > of opening up in therapy and having some wierd strange person

sitting

> > in the therapist's chair do something creepy? Why do so many wierd

> > and creepy people go into psychology?

> > >

> > > Walking to Happiness.

> > >

> > >

> > > From you friend

> > > " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " .

> > > May we all walk towards happiness...

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!

Mobile.

> > Try it now.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

My goodness if my therapist was a jerk I would go a running.

I have left therapist because I thought I had went as far as I could

with them. Each time I went to someone new, they were able to take me

even further in my healing process. So it was always a good decision

for me.

> > >

> > > There are so many scary Therapists out there. Oh God! I had a

> > really really freakin great T who helped me to identify BPD in

nada,

> > and the only reason I worked with him was beacuse I was a storm

> > survivor from the Gulf Coast.

> > >

> > > After I moved back here to the Gulf Coast, I searched and

> > searched for a T to replace him, but none measured up. Really good

> > Ts who make a difference are hard to come by.

> > >

> > > The worst thing that happened to me in my search for a T was one

> > sick man psychotherapist, to whom I explained that I was searching

> > for another T after this great one I had experienced while being

> > displaced. He really truly said to me " Did you think he was so

great

> > because you were having sexual relations with him? " I left his

> > office and never went back.

> > >

> > > I would like to start a thread about the worst T experiences

> > people on here have had. Has anyone else had really scary

experiences

> > of opening up in therapy and having some wierd strange person

sitting

> > in the therapist's chair do something creepy? Why do so many wierd

> > and creepy people go into psychology?

> > >

> > > Walking to Happiness.

> > >

> > >

> > > From you friend

> > > " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " .

> > > May we all walk towards happiness...

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!

Mobile.

> > Try it now.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

> > > >

> > > > There are so many scary Therapists out there. Oh God! I had a

> > > really really freakin great T who helped me to identify BPD in

> nada,

> > > and the only reason I worked with him was beacuse I was a storm

> > > survivor from the Gulf Coast.

> > > >

> > > > After I moved back here to the Gulf Coast, I searched and

> > > searched for a T to replace him, but none measured up. Really

good

> > > Ts who make a difference are hard to come by.

> > > >

> > > > The worst thing that happened to me in my search for a T was

one

> > > sick man psychotherapist, to whom I explained that I was

searching

> > > for another T after this great one I had experienced while being

> > > displaced. He really truly said to me " Did you think he was so

> great

> > > because you were having sexual relations with him? " I left his

> > > office and never went back.

> > > >

> > > > I would like to start a thread about the worst T experiences

> > > people on here have had. Has anyone else had really scary

> experiences

> > > of opening up in therapy and having some wierd strange person

> sitting

> > > in the therapist's chair do something creepy? Why do so many

wierd

> > > and creepy people go into psychology?

> > > >

> > > > Walking to Happiness.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From you friend

> > > > " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " .

> > > > May we all walk towards happiness...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!

> Mobile.

> > > Try it now.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I also think a reason why weird and creepy people and especially BPD-

people go into the psychology field is bc they exactly DO NOT want to

figure themselves out, bc they want to have a world view where all

others are crazy and abnormal, but they aren't. This is what I see

happen in my mother who is a clinical psychologist and high

functioning BPD (who FOOLS and continues to FOOL everyone). I also

see that in my sister, who is not bpd, but who is, although a

psychologist herself, so much in denial. I think that the therapeutic

work she is doing with others actually even helps her in a weird way

to stay in denial. I sometimes have that feeling, I might be wrong

about it. I also saw and experienced it in my first counselor who was

not trained as a clinical psychologist but claimed to be, and who

mainly wanted to manipulate me, exert power over me, and abuse me

emotionally and sexually. I don't know if she was BPD, but it could

be.

Another reason why BPD like this field, is, I think, that in therapy

they meet people who feel that they are in a weak position and who

make themselves vulnerable--hierarchy and superiority is what BPD

likes isn't it. I read that many high-functioning BPD are in the

army, in the police forces, in the social work...isn't that creepy?

FORTUNATELY, I also do have very good experiences with therapists. I

do an individual therapy with a psychiatrist for whom I do have a lot

of respect, and who at all times respects me. And I do have two

therapists who accompany the group therapy I am following currently,

and they too are genuinely caring and competent people. And it is so

important that T's are good and smart people, I think few people can

do so much good for someone (and so much harm to someone as well)--

the stakes are high.

I've always felt guilty that I was too ashamed to talk about the rape

by this first counselor during eight years--I felt guilty that I did

not try to stop her from making other victims by telling the police.

I still feel so ashamed and guilty when I think about what might have

happened during all this time to other vulnerable children, young

adults,... Though she's not a counselor anymore, still. She has a

daughter now, that I know-- o well, should I feel responsible about

this? Should I try to find out what can still be done about it in a

juridical way? What do you all think?

>

> > There are so many scary Therapists out there. Oh God! I had a

really

> > really freakin great T who helped me to identify BPD in nada, and

the only

> > reason I worked with him was beacuse I was a storm survivor from

the Gulf

> > Coast.

> >

> > After I moved back here to the Gulf Coast, I searched and

searched for a T

> > to replace him, but none measured up. Really good Ts who make a

difference

> > are hard to come by.

> >

> > The worst thing that happened to me in my search for a T was one

sick man

> > psychotherapist, to whom I explained that I was searching for

another T

> > after this great one I had experienced while being displaced. He

really

> > truly said to me " Did you think he was so great because you were

having

> > sexual relations with him? " I left his office and never went back.

> >

> > I would like to start a thread about the worst T experiences

people on

> > here have had. Has anyone else had really scary experiences of

opening up in

> > therapy and having some wierd strange person sitting in the

therapist's

> > chair do something creepy? Why do so many wierd and creepy people

go into

> > psychology?

> >

> > Walking to Happiness.

> >

> > From you friend

> > " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " .

> > May we all walk towards happiness...

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!

Mobile. Try it

> > now.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Angel, it sounds like you found a therapist with BP....I sometimes

swear nons are a BP magnet!

So if BPD doesn't exist, why is it in DSM-IV-TR as an Axis II

diagnosis (and they're trying to get it moved to Axis I in DSM-V for

insurance purposes)?

And yes, Randi Krieger is a real person....

RUN, don't walk, and get a new therapist. One who meets your needs as

a non.

[Guest guest]

I don't know if my worst 'therapist' story qualifies, but I'm going

to share because I need to vent. I went to a lay 'counselor' from

our church. The woman was in her mid-50's, close to my mother's age,

and seemed to be ahead of me in her spiritual walk. We worked

through a variety of issues and discussed the Biblical perspective on

a number of struggles I was having in my life. Originally, the idea

of going to this woman/mentor/counselor was concerning because she

did not have training on the specifics of mental illness and how to

help individuals who have experienced mental and physical abuse.

Regardless of what my heart said I stuck with meeting this woman each

week for a few hours to talk through my concerns. She dictated steps

for me to take each week to stand firm in my faith and walk like a

Christian. We read a LOT of Scripture. We prayed together. I

exposed my raw emotions and soul to this woman. Initially I was

seeing a professional counselor at the same time so that I could work

through Mom/nada issues. The lay counselor eventually got to a point

where she asked me why was I going to counseling with a

professional. She encouraged me to stop seeing the professional and

just turn all of my concerns over to God. She said that God alone

could help me so there was no merit in going to someone trained in

the field of mind-management. She really blew some holes in the idea

of psychology and counseling. I respected her wishes and dropped out

of counseling with the professional. 1st BIG MISTAKE!

I continued meeting the lay counselor on a weekly basis for three-

four more months. One day I called to divulge my sin and temptation

to " break her rules " . That lay counselor lit into me like I was a

three year old. She said that she felt that I wasn't saved and that

God was highly disappointed in me. She said that God would only

leave the door open so long and then He would close it forever. She

passed JUDGMENT on me in countless ways that morning in March of last

year. I was horrified! I called to get some help and

recommendations for next steps. She slammed the door in my face.

She gave up on me! I learned that unconditional love is NOT

unconditional love and that religious practices do not make someone

qualified to counsel. I learned that I should not have trusted that

woman. This woman had the actions of a saint, words of a saint (up

until that point) and image of a saint (in the community). Yet, her

words and actions were not matching up. She was a hypocrite. She

passed judgment on me. I believe that I learned (that day) that God

was not interested in having me in His Kingdom. I thought I was

beyond repair and that God was slamming the door in my face. So, I

started self-destructing in countless ways. My self-esteem hit all

time new lows. I began to turn off my emotions and I just refused to

care about ANYTHING. I gave up.

This woman made a lot of emtional decisions and she lied about a

number of things. The whole incident was awful. I have tried to

crawl into all kinds of holes and ignore life. I've tried to hide

from God in the past year. I'm ashamed that he feels just like

does/did. I want to believe He is graceful and merciful, but

the " Christian " that He sent to me was destructive and judgmental. I

learned to avoid religious " practices " and just coast. These are not

moments that I am proud of. I made a number of mistakes.

As a result, I walked away from church and have avoided any intimate

relationships with " Christians " because I'm afraid they will be just

like the last one. doesn't suffer at all for what has happened

in the past year. She doesn't even care about me. I have done

everything in my power to prove her wrong and now, clearly 16-18

months later I've stunted my own growth. What started out as a means

to destroy her and prove her wrong has actually all come back to blow

up in my face. It's time to face the music and accept that I have a

problem.

I, now, accept that I am an alcoholic. I can't drink like other

people can/want to. I'm angry with for her ignorance and

projection, but in time I will get over it.

[Guest guest]

Top of the list of weirdo therapists would be my BPD mother, who IS a

therapist...or was one, before she went extra crazy and was fired (she

never told me the specifics of why she was let go, though I'm sure it

had to do with her spending weeks " sick " in bed). That she was a

therapist to low income children who were mostly victims of sexual and

physical abuse and neglect is part of the reason I'm pretty sure that

therapy is not for me.

Of course that was also how I learned how I could never really have

any complaints EVER about my life. It was made very clear that sexual

abuse was worse than physical abuse was worse than neglect was worse

than verbal abuse was all worse than anything I'd ever experienced so

don't be so selfish....these kids had their mothers chasing them with

steak knives and their fathers raping them, so how dare I complain

about not being allowed to choose my own clothes.

tinman

>

> There are so many scary Therapists out there. Oh God! I had a

really really freakin great T who helped me to identify BPD in nada,

and the only reason I worked with him was beacuse I was a storm

survivor from the Gulf Coast.

>

> After I moved back here to the Gulf Coast, I searched and searched

for a T to replace him, but none measured up. Really good Ts who make

a difference are hard to come by.

>

> The worst thing that happened to me in my search for a T was one

sick man psychotherapist, to whom I explained that I was searching for

another T after this great one I had experienced while being

displaced. He really truly said to me " Did you think he was so great

because you were having sexual relations with him? " I left his

office and never went back.

>

> I would like to start a thread about the worst T experiences

people on here have had. Has anyone else had really scary experiences

of opening up in therapy and having some wierd strange person sitting

in the therapist's chair do something creepy? Why do so many wierd

and creepy people go into psychology?

>

> Walking to Happiness.

>

>

> From you friend

> " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " .

> May we all walk towards happiness...

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Mercy, That is truly a therapist nightmare!!!! I don't know how you

survived through it! I can see why you'd avoid

therapists...especially couples therapy.

> >

> > There are so many scary Therapists out there. Oh God! I had a

> really really freakin great T who helped me to identify BPD in

nada,

> and the only reason I worked with him was beacuse I was a storm

> survivor from the Gulf Coast.

> >

> > After I moved back here to the Gulf Coast, I searched and

> searched for a T to replace him, but none measured up. Really good

> Ts who make a difference are hard to come by.

> >

> > The worst thing that happened to me in my search for a T was

one

> sick man psychotherapist, to whom I explained that I was searching

> for another T after this great one I had experienced while being

> displaced. He really truly said to me " Did you think he was so

great

> because you were having sexual relations with him? " I left his

> office and never went back.

> >

> > I would like to start a thread about the worst T experiences

> people on here have had. Has anyone else had really scary

experiences

> of opening up in therapy and having some wierd strange person

sitting

> in the therapist's chair do something creepy? Why do so many wierd

> and creepy people go into psychology?

> >

> > Walking to Happiness.

> >

> >

> > From you friend

> > " WALKING TO HAPPINESS " .

> > May we all walk towards happiness...

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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wow, that's really sick, unloading details of violent abuse like that

on a child. Being a therapist she should have known she wasn't

supposed to discuss her cases, especially with children.

[Guest guest]

There is very little that makes me as angry as when people set

themselves up as gurus and end up doing harm to the vulnerable

people they purport to help. I am so sorry that happened. Alcoholics

anonymous is a great support group for alcoholism though I strongly

recommend women's meetings because there seems to be so much sex

addiction nowadays and I've heard enough about newcomer women

getting hit on by alcoholic men who are newly sober and

have 'switched' addictions from alcohol to whatever. There are many

other sobriety programs around now too that are secular. That woman

that wronged you probably does not have the capacity to feel the

kind of remorse that you are expecting a normal person would. I went

through some betrayal with a 'friend' about a year or so ago, it

pretty much curled my hair because I was surprised just how vicious

she ended up being when I broke off our friendship, she really came

after me, in a " relationally aggressive " way (thanks to my

psychology class for that terminology, that's a term for the kind of

agression that adolescent girls use on their foes, by damaging their

social relationships, and it shows her level of maturity). I realize

that she is completely lost and will only grow more miserable with

time. It's a very sad situation and pity is the only emotion I feel

for her anymore. Once I pulled back from it I found out that other

people had caught onto her alot sooner than I did and it wasn't a

secret that something is just wrong with her. There is no shame in

alcoholism in and of itself, it is genetic. I wish you good lucky on

your journey in sobriety.

[Guest guest]

I'm feeling a little down right now - I have a cold and I'm worn out from

working too much overtime. Anyway, the last few days I've been wishing that

narcs and bpds etc would just wear black cowboy hats and the rest of us

could wear white ones. I'm sick of trying to sort out good vs. bad people

and getting it wrong so often.

>

> Angel, it sounds like you found a therapist with BP....I sometimes

> swear nons are a BP magnet!

>

> So if BPD doesn't exist, why is it in DSM-IV-TR as an Axis II

> diagnosis (and they're trying to get it moved to Axis I in DSM-V for

> insurance purposes)?

>

> And yes, Randi Krieger is a real person....

>

> RUN, don't walk, and get a new therapist. One who meets your needs as

> a non.

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Miss Berries likes this idea very much, it is funny to imagine this

visually! Feel better and take care, Girlscout!

> >

> > Angel, it sounds like you found a therapist with BP....I

sometimes

> > swear nons are a BP magnet!

> >

> > So if BPD doesn't exist, why is it in DSM-IV-TR as an Axis II

> > diagnosis (and they're trying to get it moved to Axis I in DSM-V

for

> > insurance purposes)?

> >

> > And yes, Randi Krieger is a real person....

> >

> > RUN, don't walk, and get a new therapist. One who meets your

needs as

> > a non.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks lovely Miss Katrina Berries, maybe we can just imagine black and

white cowboy hats on people as they walk around. We should probably try to

fit some shades of grey in there too, right? That is what the books say we

have to work on learning.

P.S. I still love your name. It brings so many images to my mind - a blue

bowl filled with blackberries and cream being one.

>

> Miss Berries likes this idea very much, it is funny to imagine this

> visually! Feel better and take care, Girlscout!

>

>

> > >

> > > Angel, it sounds like you found a therapist with BP....I

> sometimes

> > > swear nons are a BP magnet!

> > >

> > > So if BPD doesn't exist, why is it in DSM-IV-TR as an Axis II

> > > diagnosis (and they're trying to get it moved to Axis I in DSM-V

> for

> > > insurance purposes)?

> > >

> > > And yes, Randi Krieger is a real person....

> > >

> > > RUN, don't walk, and get a new therapist. One who meets your

> needs as

> > > a non.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What s the difference between Axis I and II? Is Axis I for more severe mental

disturbances?

Thanks.

From you friend

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[Guest guest]

I think Axis I is for your main diagnoses, Axis II is for secondary diagnosis.

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Well I'm taking the fastest axis train outta there...my thought was, when

she was so upset, and claiming it didn't exist she followed up with the

statement that she had gone on a seminar all about it. She was talking so

much and so fast i never did get the chance to ask her....if BPD doesn't

exist, then why did they have a 2 day seminar about it? As an educator,

from time to time old wives tales and myths about authors and facts about

stories crop up in class. It only takes me about 10 minutes or so to

explain that it is a myth, why it is a myth and how the myth was created.

It has never taken me 2 days to discuss something that doesn't exist.

Moreover; when the question arises I usually start my explanation with ...

" that's a good question...I was hoping someone would ask that. I can see

you've been doing your homework...good for you! " ......then I dive into

explanation. ( I don't know how many of you have seen Pirates of the

Caribbean, but at one point a prisoner who recognizes a ship that is reeking

havoc on the town makes a comment " that's the black pearl, I've heard

stories about it, it's been destroying towns for over 10 years and never

leaves any survivors! With that Jack (ny Depp) states " no survivors?

then where do the stories come from I wonder? " ) I use this technique quite

a bit too....leading my students to learn on their own that it is a myth and

why.

Wouldn't discussing something that doesn't exist (especially at at

continuing ed class) for 2 days be a bit like beating a dead horse? More

curiously, I peeked at her notes that listed symptoms of BPD and even she

began to read some of them to me...on the hand-out she was determined to

cram down my throat ...wait, wait...if BPD doesn't exist, then how can there

be symptoms of it?

> Axis I: major mental disorders, developmental disorders and learning

> disabilities

>

> Axis II: underlying pervasive or personality conditions, as well as

> mental retardation

>

> Common Axis I disorders include depression, anxiety disorders,

> bipolar disorder, ADHD, and schizophrenia.

>

> Common Axis II disorders include borderline personality disorder,

> antisocial personality disorder, and mild mental retardation.

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> > I think Axis I is for your main diagnoses, Axis II is for secondary

> diagnosis.

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> > To: WTOAdultChildren1@...: walkingto_happiness@...: Sun, 27 Apr

> 2008 16:05:43 -0700Subject: Re: Boundaries --

> what's your worst Therapist story?

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> > What s the difference between Axis I and II? Is Axis I for more

> severe mental disturbances?Thanks.From you friend " WALKING TO

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