Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 You can't break it ... you can only back away from it a bit. Put your mind on a leash and build community ...This pattern evolved for good reasons but we've put it on steroids. We live longer and better than ever physically -- but the world seemsscarier than ever. Most people think there is more violence now(there is less). Almost every area is like that. Why? Chatter. Morning to night chatterIMHO what we need is a modern mind for this modern world we have created.- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing " hayes@... or stevenchayes@... Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values. If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join I've been dealing with the negativity bias concept a lot lately, which is also a normal mode of mind according to the experts. If we have evolved to be anxious and on our guard, what chance do we have to be happy? I seem to fear the tiger in the bush constantly to the point where I can never relax for more than a split second. Even thought I know this is bred into us, I didn't used to be this way to this extent. Even though things are going fine and I have no reason to believe that anything is really going to jump out and attack me, I am totally stuck in this place. This is in spite of the fact that I can go through my day and point to all the things I feared that didn't happen. I seem incapable of learning that things are most likely going to either be all right or they'll be fixable. And I'm beating myself with the comparison hammer, too. It's no fun. On both of these points, I seem incapable of seeing reason or learning. In spite of wholeheartedly agreeing that my current way of thinking is wrong and hurtful, I wake up every morning feeling this way and going throught the day in this manner. How can we break the negativity bias if it's part of our evolutionary make-up?Bruce I felt the same way, . It seems like almost anything can turn into a hammer to beat ourselves up with. Comparison game is especially a losing prospect and so insidious. I'm so glad Steve and others keep outing this stuff. terry > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> [Attachment(s)<http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from Bauer included below] > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > >>> > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the > >>> studies. > >>> > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > >>> states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is something I try to > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 (Sorry for my bad English, I'm not a native speaker) , couldn't you do "the chatter"? It is very interesting every time you make cultural comments based on ACT. I was just reading "Are we too smart for our own good?" and "Stepping out of automatic pilot" and they are great. Actually, what first called my attention to ACT was an interview in which you said our culture had lost tolerace to suffering which it used to have. Why don't you write a book analysing our society from an ACT point of view? It wouldn't be chatter, but knowledge, and it would make ACT clearer and more enjoyable to geek guys like me.Cheers. To: ACT_for_the_Public From: stevenchayes@...Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:53:17 -0700Subject: Re: Negativity Bias You can't break it ... you can only back away from it a bit. Put your mind on a leash and build community ...This pattern evolved for good reasons but we've put it on steroids. We live longer and better than ever physically -- but the world seemsscarier than ever. Most people think there is more violence now(there is less). Almost every area is like that. Why? Chatter. Morning to night chatterIMHO what we need is a modern mind for this modern world we have created.- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062"Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"hayes@... or stevenchayes@... Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values. If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join I've been dealing with the negativity bias concept a lot lately, which is also a normal mode of mind according to the experts. If we have evolved to be anxious and on our guard, what chance do we have to be happy? I seem to fear the tiger in the bush constantly to the point where I can never relax for more than a split second. Even thought I know this is bred into us, I didn't used to be this way to this extent. Even though things are going fine and I have no reason to believe that anything is really going to jump out and attack me, I am totally stuck in this place. This is in spite of the fact that I can go through my day and point to all the things I feared that didn't happen. I seem incapable of learning that things are most likely going to either be all right or they'll be fixable. And I'm beating myself with the comparison hammer, too. It's no fun. On both of these points, I seem incapable of seeing reason or learning. In spite of wholeheartedly agreeing that my current way of thinking is wrong and hurtful, I wake up every morning feeling this way and going throught the day in this manner. How can we break the negativity bias if it's part of our evolutionary make-up?Bruce I felt the same way, . It seems like almost anything can turn into a hammer to beat ourselves up with. Comparison game is especially a losing prospect and so insidious. I'm so glad Steve and others keep outing this stuff. terry > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> [Attachment(s)<http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from Bauer included below] > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > >>> > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the > >>> studies. > >>> > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > >>> states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I try to > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'm actually working on such a book ...- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing " hayes@... or stevenchayes@...Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mindHuffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values. If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join (Sorry for my bad English, I'm not a native speaker) , couldn't you do " the chatter " ? It is very interesting every time you make cultural comments based on ACT. I was just reading " Are we too smart for our own good? " and " Stepping out of automatic pilot " and they are great. Actually, what first called my attention to ACT was an interview in which you said our culture had lost tolerace to suffering which it used to have. Why don't you write a book analysing our society from an ACT point of view? It wouldn't be chatter, but knowledge, and it would make ACT clearer and more enjoyable to geek guys like me. Cheers. To: ACT_for_the_Public From: stevenchayes@...Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:53:17 -0700Subject: Re: Negativity Bias You can't break it ... you can only back away from it a bit. Put your mind on a leash and build community ...This pattern evolved for good reasons but we've put it on steroids. We live longer and better than ever physically -- but the world seemsscarier than ever. Most people think there is more violence now(there is less). Almost every area is like that. Why? Chatter. Morning to night chatterIMHO what we need is a modern mind for this modern world we have created.- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing " hayes@... or stevenchayes@... Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values. If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join I've been dealing with the negativity bias concept a lot lately, which is also a normal mode of mind according to the experts. If we have evolved to be anxious and on our guard, what chance do we have to be happy? I seem to fear the tiger in the bush constantly to the point where I can never relax for more than a split second. Even thought I know this is bred into us, I didn't used to be this way to this extent. Even though things are going fine and I have no reason to believe that anything is really going to jump out and attack me, I am totally stuck in this place. This is in spite of the fact that I can go through my day and point to all the things I feared that didn't happen. I seem incapable of learning that things are most likely going to either be all right or they'll be fixable. And I'm beating myself with the comparison hammer, too. It's no fun. On both of these points, I seem incapable of seeing reason or learning. In spite of wholeheartedly agreeing that my current way of thinking is wrong and hurtful, I wake up every morning feeling this way and going throught the day in this manner. How can we break the negativity bias if it's part of our evolutionary make-up?Bruce I felt the same way, . It seems like almost anything can turn into a hammer to beat ourselves up with. Comparison game is especially a losing prospect and so insidious. I'm so glad Steve and others keep outing this stuff. terry > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> [Attachment(s)<http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from Bauer included below] > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > >>> > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the > >>> studies. > >>> > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > >>> states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is something I try to > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Excellent news! Very interesting topic. Kate > > > >>> > > > >>> ** > > > >>> > > > >>> [Attachment(s)< > > http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from > > Bauer included below] > > > >>> Hi all, > > > >>> > > > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > > > >>> > > > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of > > ACT > > > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at > > several > > > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem > > similar in a > > > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > > > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's > > seems they > > > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > > > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but > > other 3rd > > > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about > > the > > > >>> studies. > > > >>> > > > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > > > >>> states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is something I > > try to > > > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on > > ACT/FC/RFT or > > > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be > > counter > > > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > > > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > > > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own > > reasoning and > > > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Great! Do you know already when is it going to be released? To: ACT_for_the_Public From: kate7250@...Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:37:00 +0000Subject: Re: Negativity Bias Excellent news! Very interesting topic. Kate > > > >>> > > > >>> ** > > > >>> > > > >>> [Attachment(s)< > > http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from > > Bauer included below] > > > >>> Hi all, > > > >>> > > > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > > > >>> > > > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of > > ACT > > > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at > > several > > > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem > > similar in a > > > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > > > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's > > seems they > > > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > > > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but > > other 3rd > > > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about > > the > > > >>> studies. > > > >>> > > > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > > > >>> states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I > > try to > > > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on > > ACT/FC/RFT or > > > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be > > counter > > > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > > > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > > > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own > > reasoning and > > > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 By tomorrow? That's when I need it!Bruce Great! Do you know already when is it going to be released? To: ACT_for_the_Public From: kate7250@...Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:37:00 +0000Subject: Re: Negativity Bias Excellent news! Very interesting topic. Kate > > > >>> > > > >>> ** > > > >>> > > > >>> [Attachment(s)< > > http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from > > Bauer included below] > > > >>> Hi all, > > > >>> > > > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > > > >>> > > > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of > > ACT > > > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at > > several > > > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem > > similar in a > > > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > > > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's > > seems they > > > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > > > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but > > other 3rd > > > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about > > the > > > >>> studies. > > > >>> > > > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > > > >>> states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I > > try to > > > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on > > ACT/FC/RFT or > > > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be > > counter > > > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > > > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > > > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own > > reasoning and > > > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'm only 60 pages in ..and no contract yetso I'm guessing 2014These things take insane amounts of time ... - S C. Foundation Professor Department of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing " hayes@... or stevenchayes@... Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values. If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join By tomorrow? That's when I need it!Bruce Great! Do you know already when is it going to be released? To: ACT_for_the_Public From: kate7250@...Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:37:00 +0000Subject: Re: Negativity Bias Excellent news! Very interesting topic. Kate > > > >>> > > > >>> ** > > > >>> > > > >>> [Attachment(s)< > > http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from > > Bauer included below] > > > >>> Hi all, > > > >>> > > > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > > > >>> > > > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of > > ACT > > > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at > > several > > > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem > > similar in a > > > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > > > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's > > seems they > > > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > > > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but > > other 3rd > > > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about > > the > > > >>> studies. > > > >>> > > > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > > > >>> states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is something I > > try to > > > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on > > ACT/FC/RFT or > > > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be > > counter > > > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > > > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > > > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own > > reasoning and > > > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Good point on most people thinking there is more violence when there is actually less. A great book on this is Pinker's book The Better Angels of Nature: Why Violence Has Declined. Thick book, so if you just want a summary instead, go to youtube and there you can find many one hour talks Pinker has given at many places. You can't break it ... you can only back away from it a bit. Put your mind on a leash and build community ...This pattern evolved for good reasons but we've put it on steroids. We live longer and better than ever physically -- but the world seemsscarier than ever. Most people think there is more violence now(there is less). Almost every area is like that. Why? Chatter. Morning to night chatterIMHO what we need is a modern mind for this modern world we have created.- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing " hayes@... or stevenchayes@... Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values. If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join I've been dealing with the negativity bias concept a lot lately, which is also a normal mode of mind according to the experts. If we have evolved to be anxious and on our guard, what chance do we have to be happy? I seem to fear the tiger in the bush constantly to the point where I can never relax for more than a split second. Even thought I know this is bred into us, I didn't used to be this way to this extent. Even though things are going fine and I have no reason to believe that anything is really going to jump out and attack me, I am totally stuck in this place. This is in spite of the fact that I can go through my day and point to all the things I feared that didn't happen. I seem incapable of learning that things are most likely going to either be all right or they'll be fixable. And I'm beating myself with the comparison hammer, too. It's no fun. On both of these points, I seem incapable of seeing reason or learning. In spite of wholeheartedly agreeing that my current way of thinking is wrong and hurtful, I wake up every morning feeling this way and going throught the day in this manner. How can we break the negativity bias if it's part of our evolutionary make-up?Bruce I felt the same way, . It seems like almost anything can turn into a hammer to beat ourselves up with. Comparison game is especially a losing prospect and so insidious. I'm so glad Steve and others keep outing this stuff. terry > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> [Attachment(s)<http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from Bauer included below] > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > >>> > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the > >>> studies. > >>> > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > >>> states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is something I try to > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'm wondering what you mean by build community?Bruce You can't break it ... you can only back away from it a bit. Put your mind on a leash and build community ...This pattern evolved for good reasons but we've put it on steroids. We live longer and better than ever physically -- but the world seemsscarier than ever. Most people think there is more violence now(there is less). Almost every area is like that. Why? Chatter. Morning to night chatterIMHO what we need is a modern mind for this modern world we have created.- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062"Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"hayes@... or stevenchayes@... Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values. If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join I've been dealing with the negativity bias concept a lot lately, which is also a normal mode of mind according to the experts. If we have evolved to be anxious and on our guard, what chance do we have to be happy? I seem to fear the tiger in the bush constantly to the point where I can never relax for more than a split second. Even thought I know this is bred into us, I didn't used to be this way to this extent. Even though things are going fine and I have no reason to believe that anything is really going to jump out and attack me, I am totally stuck in this place. This is in spite of the fact that I can go through my day and point to all the things I feared that didn't happen. I seem incapable of learning that things are most likely going to either be all right or they'll be fixable. And I'm beating myself with the comparison hammer, too. It's no fun. On both of these points, I seem incapable of seeing reason or learning. In spite of wholeheartedly agreeing that my current way of thinking is wrong and hurtful, I wake up every morning feeling this way and going throught the day in this manner. How can we break the negativity bias if it's part of our evolutionary make-up?Bruce I felt the same way, . It seems like almost anything can turn into a hammer to beat ourselves up with. Comparison game is especially a losing prospect and so insidious. I'm so glad Steve and others keep outing this stuff. terry > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> [Attachment(s)<http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from Bauer included below] > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > >>> > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the > >>> studies. > >>> > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > >>> states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I try to > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 In the meantime, some of what might be looking for could be found in the opening chapters of Gilbert's Compassionate Mind.It stresses how society is a conspirator in our harsh judgements on life. I am not all that far into the book (it's fairly weighty!) but so far it has given me an important insight: don't let society (media, government, public services, cultural norms... etc) dictate the rules by which I should live my life. Or at least not all of them. x To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2012, 4:06 Subject: Re: Re: Negativity Bias I'm only 60 pages in ..and no contract yetso I'm guessing 2014These things take insane amounts of time ... - S C. Foundation Professor Department of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062"Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"hayes@... or stevenchayes@... Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): http://www.contextualpsychology.org/. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values. If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join By tomorrow? That's when I need it!Bruce Great! Do you know already when is it going to be released? To: ACT_for_the_Public From: kate7250@...Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:37:00 +0000Subject: Re: Negativity Bias Excellent news! Very interesting topic. Kate > > > >>> > > > >>> ** > > > >>> > > > >>> [Attachment(s)< > > http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from > > Bauer included below] > > > >>> Hi all, > > > >>> > > > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > > > >>> > > > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of > > ACT > > > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at > > several > > > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem > > similar in a > > > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > > > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's > > seems they > > > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > > > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but > > other 3rd > > > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about > > the > > > >>> studies. > > > >>> > > > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > > > >>> states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I > > try to > > > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on > > ACT/FC/RFT or > > > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be > > counter > > > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > > > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > > > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own > > reasoning and > > > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Bruce,What you describe resonates so well with me. Sometimes the fear just makes me a completely different person. I cannot let go of certain issues and, often, feel attacked from all sides even if I am not, and cannot get back to my comfort zone--often don´t even have one because of what´s inside. My sensitivity factor has escalated over the past few years. I will be interested in responses to your post. Thanks for sharing this and good luck in your struggles and search for solution.Phil I've been dealing with the negativity bias concept a lot lately, which is also a normal mode of mind according to the experts. If we have evolved to be anxious and on our guard, what chance do we have to be happy? I seem to fear the tiger in the bush constantly to the point where I can never relax for more than a split second. Even thought I know this is bred into us, I didn't used to be this way to this extent. Even though things are going fine and I have no reason to believe that anything is really going to jump out and attack me, I am totally stuck in this place. This is in spite of the fact that I can go through my day and point to all the things I feared that didn't happen. I seem incapable of learning that things are most likely going to either be all right or they'll be fixable.And I'm beating myself with the comparison hammer, too. It's no fun. On both of these points, I seem incapable of seeing reason or learning. In spite of wholeheartedly agreeing that my current way of thinking is wrong and hurtful, I wake up every morning feeling this way and going throught the day in this manner. How can we break the negativity bias if it's part of our evolutionary make-up?Bruce I felt the same way, . It seems like almost anything can turn into a hammer to beat ourselves up with. Comparison game is especially a losing prospect and so insidious. I'm so glad Steve and others keep outing this stuff. terry > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> [Attachment(s)<http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387c e7da951715a_TopText>from Bauer included below] > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > >>> > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the > >>> studies. > >>> > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > >>> states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I try to > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> & gt; > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I was also thinking along these line frome time but little different Both helpful and unhelpful thought occur to all type of people.but the different is sucessful people are more biased toward helpful tought and hence take action.whereas we see more of the negative thought and do not take action and accordingly we put ourself on the spiral path. Before ACT it was more like there is something is wrong withME. Now it is morelike i notice those negative thought and create a distance. The problem is i am having the same set of thought(whether in defused or in fused state) How come i see new possiability in life with the same set of thought. Or how do i generate new possiability in life Some time i think it is mind trap and some time i think it is geniune obstacle to overcome. Any thought ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 It's funny, I draw a completely different conclusion from Gilbert's book, that it is the private corporations that have induced Big Brother in our society. I'm constantly under surveilance with electronic tags and I always worrying that I haven't achieved targets. Going to work is now nothing but misery for lots of people nowadays. They can always replace me with someone cheaper, so they tell me, as there's loads of people lining up outside to take my place. Who would have thought that meritrocracy was really facism. We've had temporary staff come in our place on very low wages and they have slept in the car park all night. But who is benefiting, though? Well it certainly is not me, or most people I know, but someone is making a killing. Kv > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> ** > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> [Attachment(s)< > >>> > http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from > >>> > Bauer included below] > >>> > > >>> Hi all, > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of > >>> > ACT > >>> > > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at > >>> > several > >>> > > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem > >>> > similar in a > >>> > > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > >>> > > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's > >>> > seems they > >>> > > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > >>> > > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but > >>> > other 3rd > >>> > > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about > >>> > the > >>> > > >>> studies. > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > >>> > > >>> states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is something I > >>> > try to > >>> > > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on > >>> > ACT/FC/RFT or > >>> > > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be > >>> > counter > >>> > > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > >>> > > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > >>> > > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own > >>> > reasoning and > >>> > > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I don't think private business has a monopoly on this. I work in the public sector, and the targets culture drains the life force from us. Even when we succeed it feels a hollow victory. "Hitting the target, but missing the point" is the implied motto of new managerialism's grip on my once proud institution x To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2012, 21:06 Subject: Re: Negativity Bias It's funny, I draw a completely different conclusion from Gilbert's book, that it is the private corporations that have induced Big Brother in our society. I'm constantly under surveilance with electronic tags and I always worrying that I haven't achieved targets. Going to work is now nothing but misery for lots of people nowadays. They can always replace me with someone cheaper, so they tell me, as there's loads of people lining up outside to take my place. Who would have thought that meritrocracy was really facism. We've had temporary staff come in our place on very low wages and they have slept in the car park all night. But who is benefiting, though? Well it certainly is not me, or most people I know, but someone is making a killing. Kv > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> ** > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> [Attachment(s)< > >>> > http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from > >>> > Bauer included below] > >>> > > >>> Hi all, > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of > >>> > ACT > >>> > > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at > >>> > several > >>> > > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem > >>> > similar in a > >>> > > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > >>> > > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's > >>> > seems they > >>> > > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > >>> > > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but > >>> > other 3rd > >>> > > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about > >>> > the > >>> > > >>> studies. > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > >>> > > >>> states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I > >>> > try to > >>> > > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on > >>> > ACT/FC/RFT or > >>> > > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be > >>> > counter > >>> > > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > >>> > > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > >>> > > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own > >>> > reasoning and > >>> > > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Wow, this entire thread went way under my radar! I find it incredibly validating to just accept and notice this is what is going on, identify and defuse.I didn't know of this"negativity bias" but the recommendation to put the mind on a leash and build community sure makes sense. (Along with all the other great advice, such as listen to your heart, gut, experience and honorthe heck out of that over the problem solving organ looking for problems even when there are none). And I had no idea the world seems scarier now as opposed to an earlier time.. and no idea that there are perceptions ofmore violence than there actually is. Wow...will finish reading the thread now..can't keep up with you guys! To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Negativity Bias You can't break it ... you can only back away from it a bit. Put your mind on a leash and build community ...This pattern evolved for good reasons but we've put it on steroids. We live longer and better than ever physically -- but the world seemsscarier than ever. Most people think there is more violence now(there is less). Almost every area is like that. Why? Chatter. Morning to night chatterIMHO what we need is a modern mind for this modern world we have created.- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062"Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"hayes@... or stevenchayes@... Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values. If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join I've been dealing with the negativity bias concept a lot lately, which is also a normal mode of mind according to the experts. If we have evolved to be anxious and on our guard, what chance do we have to be happy? I seem to fear the tiger in the bush constantly to the point where I can never relax for more than a split second. Even thought I know this is bred into us, I didn't used to be this way to this extent. Even though things are going fine and I have no reason to believe that anything is really going to jump out and attack me, I am totally stuck in this place. This is in spite of the fact that I can go through my day and point to all the things I feared that didn't happen. I seem incapable of learning that things are most likely going to either be all right or they'll be fixable. And I'm beating myself with the comparison hammer, too. It's no fun. On both of these points, I seem incapable of seeing reason or learning. In spite of wholeheartedly agreeing that my current way of thinking is wrong and hurtful, I wake up every morning feeling this way and going throught the day in this manner. How can we break the negativity bias if it's part of our evolutionary make-up?Bruce I felt the same way, . It seems like almost anything can turn into a hammer to beat ourselves up with. Comparison game is especially a losing prospect and so insidious. I'm so glad Steve and others keep outing this stuff. terry > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> [Attachment(s)<http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from Bauer included below] > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > >>> > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the > >>> studies. > >>> > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > >>> states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I try to > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Bruce, guessing this is about getting out of your mind...and into creating compassionate connections with yourself an others. But don't quote me! To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Negativity Bias I'm wondering what you mean by build community?Bruce You can't break it ... you can only back away from it a bit. Put your mind on a leash and build community ...This pattern evolved for good reasons but we've put it on steroids. We live longer and better than ever physically -- but the world seemsscarier than ever. Most people think there is more violence now(there is less). Almost every area is like that. Why? Chatter. Morning to night chatterIMHO what we need is a modern mind for this modern world we have created.- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062"Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"hayes@... or stevenchayes@... Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values. If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join I've been dealing with the negativity bias concept a lot lately, which is also a normal mode of mind according to the experts. If we have evolved to be anxious and on our guard, what chance do we have to be happy? I seem to fear the tiger in the bush constantly to the point where I can never relax for more than a split second. Even thought I know this is bred into us, I didn't used to be this way to this extent. Even though things are going fine and I have no reason to believe that anything is really going to jump out and attack me, I am totally stuck in this place. This is in spite of the fact that I can go through my day and point to all the things I feared that didn't happen. I seem incapable of learning that things are most likely going to either be all right or they'll be fixable. And I'm beating myself with the comparison hammer, too. It's no fun. On both of these points, I seem incapable of seeing reason or learning. In spite of wholeheartedly agreeing that my current way of thinking is wrong and hurtful, I wake up every morning feeling this way and going throught the day in this manner. How can we break the negativity bias if it's part of our evolutionary make-up?Bruce I felt the same way, . It seems like almost anything can turn into a hammer to beat ourselves up with. Comparison game is especially a losing prospect and so insidious. I'm so glad Steve and others keep outing this stuff. terry > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> [Attachment(s)<http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from Bauer included below] > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > >>> > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the > >>> studies. > >>> > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > >>> states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I try to > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Thanks, Theresa. I'd say that what it means, too.But I'm hardly isolated. I'm working from home today, my wife is here, we have 3 houseguests visiting, we're all going to visit some other friends tonight. I've got the dog sleeping next to me. Somehow I'm lonely and afraid in a crowd. I do have close relationships with other people in recovery, I've been texting them today. I'm frustrated that there's a study that shows giving elderly depressed people a houseplant will help their mood but I'm surrounded by good relationships with good people and I'm still uncomfortable.Sorry to be whining today. I appreciate your post.Thanks,Bruce Bruce, guessing this is about getting out of your mind...and into creating compassionate connections with yourself an others. But don't quote me! To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Negativity Bias I'm wondering what you mean by build community?Bruce You can't break it ... you can only back away from it a bit. Put your mind on a leash and build community ...This pattern evolved for good reasons but we've put it on steroids. We live longer and better than ever physically -- but the world seemsscarier than ever. Most people think there is more violence now(there is less). Almost every area is like that. Why? Chatter. Morning to night chatterIMHO what we need is a modern mind for this modern world we have created.- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062"Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"hayes@... or stevenchayes@... Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values. If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join I've been dealing with the negativity bias concept a lot lately, which is also a normal mode of mind according to the experts. If we have evolved to be anxious and on our guard, what chance do we have to be happy? I seem to fear the tiger in the bush constantly to the point where I can never relax for more than a split second. Even thought I know this is bred into us, I didn't used to be this way to this extent. Even though things are going fine and I have no reason to believe that anything is really going to jump out and attack me, I am totally stuck in this place. This is in spite of the fact that I can go through my day and point to all the things I feared that didn't happen. I seem incapable of learning that things are most likely going to either be all right or they'll be fixable. And I'm beating myself with the comparison hammer, too. It's no fun. On both of these points, I seem incapable of seeing reason or learning. In spite of wholeheartedly agreeing that my current way of thinking is wrong and hurtful, I wake up every morning feeling this way and going throught the day in this manner. How can we break the negativity bias if it's part of our evolutionary make-up?Bruce I felt the same way, . It seems like almost anything can turn into a hammer to beat ourselves up with. Comparison game is especially a losing prospect and so insidious. I'm so glad Steve and others keep outing this stuff. terry > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> [Attachment(s)<http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from Bauer included below] > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > >>> > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the > >>> studies. > >>> > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he > >>> states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I try to > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Oh, I'm lonely and afraid a lot of the time..alone or in crowds, so can relate. If you have close relationships with some folks in recovery, that is community, is it not? I don't text but hear great things about it. Again, probably helps to create more community, no? Hope you find some peace/joy with your visitors, your dog..most of all with yourself. Hang in there. terry > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> [Attachment(s)<http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText > >>> >from Bauer included below] > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Attached are three PDFs. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the > >>> efficacy of ACT > >>> > >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've > >>> looked at several > >>> > >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they > >>> seem similar in a > >>> > >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic > >>> Desensitization on math > >>> > >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. > >>> It's seems they > >>> > >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work > >>> differently. I have > >>> > >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just > >>> ACT, but other 3rd > >>> > >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of > >>> skepticism about the > >>> > >>> studies. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In > >>> it he > >>> > >>> states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is > >>> something I try to > >>> > >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on > >>> ACT/FC/RFT or > >>> > >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist > >>> can be counter > >>> > >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own > >>> reasoning. So > >>> > >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to > >>> take what I > >>> > >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my > >>> own reasoning and > >>> > >>> philosophy and use that to live my life. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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