Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

[Guest guest]

Finding a good therapist can be very difficult and finding a therapist that is

interested in seeing you grow and change is even harder. I have been suffering

different forms of mental illness since 2000 and finally last August I found a

therapist who upon first meeting me stated that no matter what I did in the past

or future he wasn't here to judge me. Ok, so that threw me backwards and as

time went on he would say other things that at first would throw me for a

complete loop thinking that no one could really live their lives this way.

My therapist has had me working on DBT/ACT for a few months now and even though

I got discouraged lately and stopped practicing on my own due to things that

have occured he just waited for me to be ready (even if it was with a little

kick in the behind) and now we are starting over. This time I know what to

expect and I think I have a better grasp on how to deal with things that come

up.

Take the time to make sure that you and your therapist can have an open and

truthful relationship. Otherwise you are waisting your time/money and their

time. I know I tell my therapist everything sometimes hoping it will go no

further although I realize he works as part of a team for me and needs to let

others know when something is going on. Sometimes I think maybe that he will

up and leave before I am ready to go it alone and this brings much anxiety to

me, I have been blessed to find someone so kind and openhearted who is willing

to go the extra mile in order to assure me that I am walking the " right " path.

I can only hope that others find the same relationship with their therapist so

that they can truly find a way to deal with life in a healthy manner. We can

learn so much on our own and yet when it comes down to it sometimes what we need

is someone to take the walk with us to show us a new path.

Ok, enough of my rant for the night thank you if you read it all

Marcia

[Guest guest]

please remove me from emails!!! My email is maryagirl21@... To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

wrote: " The very essence of our normal mode of mind is comparison(it is the essence because without comparison we can domental problem solving). So knowledge can feed the beast

because knowledge of benefits for others turn into hammers to beat ourselves with. " Just this paragraph was very helpful to me.

 

Be careful of what minds do with information about others.The very essence of our normal mode of mind is comparison(it is the essence because without comparison we can domental problem solving). So knowledge can feed the beast

because knowledge of benefits for others turn into hammers to beat ourselves with. The best use of knowledge like this is tosupport a personally relevant path that you know in the

wiser part of you is so -- not to climb into comparison (which is on the same old stinkypath that created the problem to begin with)Something more this this: " The studies show that the more open, aware, and engaged I am in life

the better I will do. And by golly I see that in myself too. When I am moreopen, less entangled, kinder to myself, more aware, more focused onthe valued qualities of what I do and less on what

someone or something is going to give me, I am more me, more alive, and moreconnected. "  I think the ACT literature shows that --I literally could trot out 100-200 studies over 30 years that show it

and almost without a single sour empirical note.When combined with the deeper wisdom of our own experienceknowledge like that is important because is give each of us a path to follow.

I try every day to get a bit stronger in myability to follow it. It is a life journey. I'll never be done.I'll never be fixed. I am sometime ashamed at how slow my progress is ...

ACT is 30 years old this year and I'm still stumbling along,hiding, avoiding, going numb, being mindless. And then I kiss mywife and hug my kids and look at what we can do to improve the world

and I'm taking a tiny little step forward.Life  ... back to the intellectual question for the geeks out therewho are interested

With credible control groups regression to the mean can't be the explanation. The best studies use blind assessors and create a firewall betweenthe data and the therapists ... and the patients know that.

So you are being interviewed by a stranger and what you say isconfidential and will never be known by your therapist.It does not eliminate the worry of social demand to improve ...but especially if you find differences between active treatments

and you check on credibility etcyou have a real hard time explaining the differences that wayAnd sometimes there are measures you can't fake(e.g., oral swabs in drug studies; records of medical visits in pain studies)

Some of the effects are as you say ... and the weaker the design themore that is likely. - S C. Foundation Professor

Department of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing " hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be):

Blogs: Psychology Today  http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

Huffington Post  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: 

http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

 

Very good points, !

 

Very impressive and encouraging. I'm always amazed by the sheer scale of the improvements people report in these sorts of studies.  Some of those effect sizes are just enormous.  I wonder what proportion of those improvements (for both ACT and CBT) are down to:

 (i) 'regression to the mean':  people are treated when they are at an acute phase, and tend to remit naturally; and  (ii) acquiescence (?):  after therapy, you really want to say that you are feeling better, to repay the efforts of your therapist, who is a really nice girl / gal.

 I ask this only since some might question

why - if people seem to report such immense improvements from therapy - then why have I not been cured?  x  

  

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Friday, 13

July 2012, 0:44 Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason [1 Attachment]

 

This is the biggest and best controlled comparison of ACT and traditional CBTyet conducted. These articles are hard reads for normal folks but the bottom like is that ACT (including values-based exposure --

which list readers know I recommend regularly anyway)did somewhat better than best of breed CBT for a range of anxiety disorders.It was done by a team at UCLA that is very well known in the CBT community

and many of the CBT methods they used are ones they had a big role indeveloping and testing historically so this was not a rigged comparison.In fact Craske & crew deserves credit for courage and integrity in publishing these data

- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing "

hayes@... or stevenchayes@...Fax:

Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be):

Blogs: Psychology Today  http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mindHuffington Post  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page:  http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayes

or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): http://www.contextualpsychology.org/. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

 

[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below]

Hi all,Attached are three PDFs.  I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several papers on this.  I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety.  It's seems they are all work.  Interesting that perhaps they work differently.  I have quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT.  And I have a little bit of skepticism about the studies. 

The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment?  In it he states " Have courage to use your own reason! " .   This is something I try to do.  Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter productive.  Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning.   So instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to live my life.

[Guest guest]

Yes, it was a powerful message, and highlights an important error in how i solve problems. Our problem-solving relies entirely on comparisons, between "what is" and "what should be". A problem, by definition, is a discordance between these two. At work, I am judged against set benchmarks. It is a problem if, when I compare my standards against these, I fall short. My son is judged against the national school curriculum. There is no point to these tests at all except that it highlights problems with progression, which we can try to do something about. My mental health is a problem. I should be able to work. I cannot work. How do you know if there

is a problem at all without making just implicit comparisons? But as so elegantly points out, it all goes wrong for me in these comparisons. I can see two things I do wrong: 1. I don't compare objectively. I allow my mind to dictate the terms of the comparison, and to both exaggerate the difference between 'me' and 'the benchmark', and to exaggerate the consequences and meaning of the difference. 2. I do not compare the right things? Society is complicit in this. Me and my school compare my son against population norms on school tests. My wife doesn't. My wife compares my son's efforts against the best she feels he could do. For her, the performance aspect of his school report is nothing like as important as where the teachers

describe his attitude in class and how he treats other people. I want my wife's mind! x To:

ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Monday, 16 July 2012, 23:35 Subject: Re: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

Actually not just that one paragraph but the one following that too.So the two together:The very essence of our normal mode of mind is comparison

(it is the essence because without comparison we can domental problem solving). So knowledge can feed the beast

because knowledge of benefits for others turn into hammers to beat ourselves with.

The best use of knowledge like this is to

support a personally relevant path that you know in the

wiser part of you is so -- not to climb into comparison (which is on the same old stinky

path that created the problem to begin with)Something more this this:

"The studies show that the more open, aware, and engaged I am in life

the better I will do. And by golly I see that in myself too. When I am moreopen, less entangled, kinder to myself, more aware, more focused on

the valued qualities of what I do and less on what

someone or something is going to give me, I am more me, more alive, and moreconnected."

I felt the same way, . It seems like almost anything can turn into a hammer to beat ourselves up with. Comparison game is especially a losing prospect and so insidious. I'm so glad Steve and others keep outing this stuff.

terry

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> >>> [Attachment(s)<http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from Bauer included below]

> >>> Hi all,

> >>>

> >>> Attached are three PDFs.

> >>>

> >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT

> >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several

> >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a

> >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math

> >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they

> >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have

> >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd

> >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the

> >>> studies.

> >>>

> >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he

> >>> states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I try to

> >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or

> >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter

> >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So

> >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I

> >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and

> >>> philosophy and use that to live my life.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, You may unsubscribe by sending an email to ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe x To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012, 5:09 Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

please remove me from emails!!! My email is maryagirl21@... To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

wrote:"The very essence of our normal mode of mind is comparison(it is the essence because without comparison we can domental problem solving). So knowledge can feed the beast

because knowledge of benefits for others turn into hammers to beat ourselves with."Just this paragraph was very helpful to me.

Be careful of what minds do with information about others.The very essence of our normal mode of mind is comparison(it is the essence because without comparison we can domental problem solving). So knowledge can feed the beast

because knowledge of benefits for others turn into hammers to beat ourselves with. The best use of knowledge like this is tosupport a personally relevant path that you know in the

wiser part of you is so -- not to climb into comparison (which is on the same old stinkypath that created the problem to begin with)Something more this this:"The studies show that the more open, aware, and engaged I am in life

the better I will do. And by golly I see that in myself too. When I am moreopen, less entangled, kinder to myself, more aware, more focused onthe valued qualities of what I do and less on what

someone or something is going to give me, I am more me, more alive, and moreconnected." I think the ACT literature shows that --I literally could trot out 100-200 studies over 30 years that show it

and almost without a single sour empirical note.When combined with the deeper wisdom of our own experienceknowledge like that is important because is give each of us a path to follow.

I try every day to get a bit stronger in myability to follow it. It is a life journey. I'll never be done.I'll never be fixed. I am sometime ashamed at how slow my progress is ...

ACT is 30 years old this year and I'm still stumbling along,hiding, avoiding, going numb, being mindless. And then I kiss mywife and hug my kids and look at what we can do to improve the world

and I'm taking a tiny little step forward.Life ... back to the intellectual question for the geeks out therewho are interested

With credible control groups regression to the mean can't be the explanation. The best studies use blind assessors and create a firewall betweenthe data and the therapists ... and the patients know that.

So you are being interviewed by a stranger and what you say isconfidential and will never be known by your therapist.It does not eliminate the worry of social demand to improve ...but especially if you find differences between active treatments

and you check on credibility etcyou have a real hard time explaining the differences that wayAnd sometimes there are measures you can't fake(e.g., oral swabs in drug studies; records of medical visits in pain studies)

Some of the effects are as you say ... and the weaker the design themore that is likely. - S C. Foundation Professor

Department of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062"Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be):

Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page:

http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): http://www.contextualpsychology.org/. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

Very good points, !

Very impressive and encouraging. I'm always amazed by the sheer scale of the improvements people report in these sorts of studies. Some of those effect sizes are just enormous. I wonder what proportion of those improvements (for both ACT and CBT) are down to:

(i) 'regression to the mean': people are treated when they are at an acute phase, and tend to remit naturally; and (ii) acquiescence (?): after therapy, you really want to say that you are feeling better, to repay the efforts of your therapist, who is a really nice girl / gal.

I ask this only since some might question

why - if people seem to report such immense improvements from therapy - then why have I not been cured? x

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Friday, 13

July 2012, 0:44 Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason [1 Attachment]

This is the biggest and best controlled comparison of ACT and traditional CBTyet conducted. These articles are hard reads for normal folks but the bottom like is that ACT (including values-based exposure --

which list readers know I recommend regularly anyway)did somewhat better than best of breed CBT for a range of anxiety disorders.It was done by a team at UCLA that is very well known in the CBT community

and many of the CBT methods they used are ones they had a big role indeveloping and testing historically so this was not a rigged comparison.In fact Craske & crew deserves credit for courage and integrity in publishing these data

- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062"Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"

hayes@... or stevenchayes@...Fax:

Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be):

Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mindHuffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayes

or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): http://www.contextualpsychology.org/. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below]

Hi all,Attached are three PDFs. I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the studies.

The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I try to do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to live my life.

[Guest guest]

There are a few ,quite a number of psychologists and psychologists in training that dont know act therapy. Think l.ll make a cup of tea

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Hi, You may unsubscribe by sending an email to ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe x To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012, 5:09 Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

please remove me from emails!!! My email is maryagirl21@... To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

wrote: " The very essence of our normal mode of mind is comparison(it is the essence because without comparison we can domental problem solving). So knowledge can feed the beast

because knowledge of benefits for others turn into hammers to beat ourselves with. " Just this paragraph was very helpful to me.

Be careful of what minds do with information about others.The very essence of our normal mode of mind is comparison(it is the essence because without comparison we can domental problem solving). So knowledge can feed the beast

because knowledge of benefits for others turn into hammers to beat ourselves with. The best use of knowledge like this is tosupport a personally relevant path that you know in the

wiser part of you is so -- not to climb into comparison (which is on the same old stinkypath that created the problem to begin with)Something more this this: " The studies show that the more open, aware, and engaged I am in life

the better I will do. And by golly I see that in myself too. When I am moreopen, less entangled, kinder to myself, more aware, more focused onthe valued qualities of what I do and less on what

someone or something is going to give me, I am more me, more alive, and moreconnected. " I think the ACT literature shows that --I literally could trot out 100-200 studies over 30 years that show it

and almost without a single sour empirical note.When combined with the deeper wisdom of our own experienceknowledge like that is important because is give each of us a path to follow.

I try every day to get a bit stronger in myability to follow it. It is a life journey. I'll never be done.I'll never be fixed. I am sometime ashamed at how slow my progress is ...

ACT is 30 years old this year and I'm still stumbling along,hiding, avoiding, going numb, being mindless. And then I kiss mywife and hug my kids and look at what we can do to improve the world

and I'm taking a tiny little step forward.Life ... back to the intellectual question for the geeks out therewho are interested

With credible control groups regression to the mean can't be the explanation. The best studies use blind assessors and create a firewall betweenthe data and the therapists ... and the patients know that.

So you are being interviewed by a stranger and what you say isconfidential and will never be known by your therapist.It does not eliminate the worry of social demand to improve ...but especially if you find differences between active treatments

and you check on credibility etcyou have a real hard time explaining the differences that wayAnd sometimes there are measures you can't fake(e.g., oral swabs in drug studies; records of medical visits in pain studies)

Some of the effects are as you say ... and the weaker the design themore that is likely. - S C. Foundation Professor

Department of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing " hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be):

Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page:

http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): http://www.contextualpsychology.org/. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

Very good points, !

Very impressive and encouraging. I'm always amazed by the sheer scale of the improvements people report in these sorts of studies. Some of those effect sizes are just enormous. I wonder what proportion of those improvements (for both ACT and CBT) are down to:

(i) 'regression to the mean': people are treated when they are at an acute phase, and tend to remit naturally; and (ii) acquiescence (?): after therapy, you really want to say that you are feeling better, to repay the efforts of your therapist, who is a really nice girl / gal.

I ask this only since some might question

why - if people seem to report such immense improvements from therapy - then why have I not been cured? x

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Friday, 13

July 2012, 0:44 Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason [1 Attachment]

This is the biggest and best controlled comparison of ACT and traditional CBTyet conducted. These articles are hard reads for normal folks but the bottom like is that ACT (including values-based exposure --

which list readers know I recommend regularly anyway)did somewhat better than best of breed CBT for a range of anxiety disorders.It was done by a team at UCLA that is very well known in the CBT community

and many of the CBT methods they used are ones they had a big role indeveloping and testing historically so this was not a rigged comparison.In fact Craske & crew deserves credit for courage and integrity in publishing these data

- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing "

hayes@... or stevenchayes@...Fax:

Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be):

Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mindHuffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayes

or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): http://www.contextualpsychology.org/. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below]

Hi all,Attached are three PDFs. I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the studies.

The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is something I try to do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to live my life.