Guest guest Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Thanks for that recomendation, VC. Kv > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few weeks ago at the bookstore while going through a period of increased anxiousness, and it has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like hardly any at all anymore > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and I will try to explain it. > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period between infancy and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the capacity to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, and begin to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we continue to automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning... > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience the intense emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of believing it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in childhood. > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never be fully processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on the feeling level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my anxiety would come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get myself out of it or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I was always using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing whatever I could to escape feeling that way. > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to bring your awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, using thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process these held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting.. > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has been a dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and much more confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its effects immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it has progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing it for a few weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel rather than mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the feeling that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much more grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'. > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it was worth sharing if anybody was interested. > > The book is called " Vaporize Your Anxiety " by Tom Stone > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I just bought the Kindle book, Vapourise Your Fear of Rejection, by Tom Stone for 0.77p. I like the fact that Tom Stone gives a strong psychological cause for anxiety and doesn't fall back on the pessimistic defunct non scientific theories put about by psychiatry and their useless hangers on, the ruthless and completely mercenary drug companies, with their toxic, downright dangerous, and very addictive medicines. Kv > > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few weeks ago at > the bookstore while going through a period of increased anxiousness, and > it has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like hardly > any at all anymore > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and I will try > to explain it. > > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period between infancy > and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the > capacity to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, > and begin to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we continue > to automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning... > > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience the intense > emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of > believing it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in > childhood. > > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never be fully > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on the > feeling level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my > anxiety would come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get > myself out of it or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, > because I was always using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and > doing whatever I could to escape feeling that way. > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to bring your > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, using > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process these > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting.. > > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has been a > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and much > more confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its effects > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it has > progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing it for a > few weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel rather > than mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the > feeling that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much > more grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'. > > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it was worth > sharing if anybody was interested. > > > > The book is called " Vaporize Your Anxiety " by Tom Stone > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 It's been real powerful for me...and it makes a lot of sense > > > > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few weeks ago at > > the bookstore while going through a period of increased anxiousness, > and > > it has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like > hardly > > any at all anymore > > > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and I will > try > > to explain it. > > > > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period between > infancy > > and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the > > capacity to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape > them, > > and begin to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, > our > > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we > continue > > to automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning... > > > > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience the > intense > > emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of > > believing it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in > > childhood. > > > > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never be fully > > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on the > > feeling level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my > > anxiety would come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to > get > > myself out of it or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, > > because I was always using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and > > doing whatever I could to escape feeling that way. > > > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to bring your > > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, using > > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process these > > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting.. > > > > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has been a > > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and much > > more confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its > effects > > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it has > > progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing it for > a > > few weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel > rather > > than mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the > > feeling that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become > much > > more grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'. > > > > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it was > worth > > sharing if anybody was interested. > > > > > > The book is called " Vaporize Your Anxiety " by Tom Stone > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Thanks for this VC - I am keen to read it and see what techniques are suggested. What you have written does seem to support ACT really well in terms of RTF (Relational Frame Therapy) - the unexplained and uncontrollable emotions which we try to rationalise and think through which we cant (which adds to the anxiety). Regards Bronwyn > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few weeks ago at the bookstore while going through a period of increased anxiousness, and it has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like hardly any at all anymore > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and I will try to explain it. > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period between infancy and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the capacity to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, and begin to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we continue to automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning... > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience the intense emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of believing it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in childhood. > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never be fully processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on the feeling level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my anxiety would come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get myself out of it or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I was always using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing whatever I could to escape feeling that way. > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to bring your awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, using thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process these held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting.. > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has been a dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and much more confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its effects immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it has progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing it for a few weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel rather than mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the feeling that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much more grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'. > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it was worth sharing if anybody was interested. > > The book is called " Vaporize Your Anxiety " by Tom Stone > > Best of luck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 As so often with these kinds of approaches, I fnd it necessary to separate the techniques and how they are presented.Here's for instance something that, from an ACT perspective, we'd want to reformulate:"What if you had......a set of simple techniques you could use RIGHT NOW to quickly get rid of your anxiety FOREVER?"This is a way of talking that risks to feed into struggle, no? (even though surely Tom Stone doesn't intend this)Once again, the question: "what would I be able to do if this anxiety wasn't a problem anymore for me" is still more crucial.And from there, for instance: "can I do some of this, now,even when the anxiety shows up?"And: "are there other ways in which this anxiety can become less of a problem than "getting rid of it"?Please don't see this as a statement against the techniques... only as a way of adding more flexibility to it all...Best to all,MaartenPS I would be very interested in hearing how these techniques work for you, folks... > >> > Happened to come across this book with this title a few weeks ago at the bookstore while going through a period of increased anxiousness, and it has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like hardly any at all anymore> > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and I will try to explain it.> > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period between infancy and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the capacity to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, and begin to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we continue to automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning...> > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience the intense emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of believing it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in childhood.> > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never be fully processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on the feeling level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my anxiety would come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get myself out of it or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I was always using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing whatever I could to escape feeling that way.> > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to bring your awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, using thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process these held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting..> > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has been a dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and much more confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its effects immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it has progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing it for a few weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel rather than mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the feeling that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much more grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'.> > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it was worth sharing if anybody was interested.> > > > The book is called "Vaporize Your Anxiety" by Tom Stone> > > > Best of luck> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 It may be legit but my google searches haven't been able to reveal anything but more links back to the author's web site, which is always suspicious in my book.  As so often with these kinds of approaches, I fnd it necessary to separate the techniques and how they are presented.Here's for instance something that, from an ACT perspective, we'd want to reformulate: " What if you had......a set of simple techniques you could use RIGHT NOW to quickly get rid of your anxiety FOREVER? " This is a way of talking that risks to feed into struggle, no? (even though surely Tom Stone doesn't intend this)Once again, the question: " what would I be able to do if this anxiety wasn't a problem anymore for me " is still more crucial. And from there, for instance: " can I do some of this, now,even when the anxiety shows up? " And: " are there other ways in which this anxiety can become less of a problem than " getting rid of it " ?Please don't see this as a statement against the techniques... only as a way of adding more flexibility to it all... Best to all,MaartenPS I would be very interested in hearing how these techniques work for you, folks... > >> > Happened to come across this book with this title a few weeks ago at the bookstore while going through a period of increased anxiousness, and it has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like hardly any at all anymore > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and I will try to explain it.> > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period between infancy and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the capacity to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, and begin to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we continue to automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning... > > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience the intense emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of believing it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in childhood. > > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never be fully processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on the feeling level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my anxiety would come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get myself out of it or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I was always using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing whatever I could to escape feeling that way. > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to bring your awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, using thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process these held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting.. > > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has been a dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and much more confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its effects immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it has progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing it for a few weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel rather than mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the feeling that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much more grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'. > > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it was worth sharing if anybody was interested.> > > > The book is called " Vaporize Your Anxiety " by Tom Stone > > > > Best of luck> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 And anyone who sells an electronic box for $6495 (what a bargain heh?) that supposedly will cure any number of ills is definitely suss! Even though his vaporize anxiety technique may "work" the rest of his stuff just rings alarm bells for me."The WaveMaker is a new Human Software Engineering technology device that picks up and processes the ultra-fine electromagnetic oscillations of everything in the body. It can either invert them to cancel out unwanted resonances or amplify them to strengthen and optimize desirable resonances.It can invert the energy/information patterns of conditioning, habits, traumas, negative emotional states, stress, etc. It can also be used to cancel out the energy patterns of toxins, pathogens, drug residues, addictive substances, allergy reactivity, etc. This mode is called "Debug."It can amplify and optimize the energy of the naturally occurring resonances of positive emotional states and capacities that need optimizing. In addition, it can be used to strengthen and balance the energy patterns of the organs, systems, glands, cells, and molecules. This mode is called "Upgrade."http://www.greatlifetechnologies.com/wm.shtml> > > >> > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few weeks ago at> > the bookstore while going through a period of increased anxiousness, and it> > has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like hardly any> > at all anymore> > > >> > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and I will try> > to explain it.> > > >> > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period between infancy> > and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the capacity> > to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, and begin> > to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our> > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we continue to> > automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning...> > > >> > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience the intense> > emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of believing> > it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in childhood.> > > >> > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never be fully> > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on the feeling> > level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my anxiety would> > come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get myself out of it> > or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I was always> > using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing whatever I could to> > escape feeling that way.> > > >> > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to bring your> > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, using> > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process these> > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting..> > > >> > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has been a> > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and much more> > confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its effects> > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it has> > progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing it for a few> > weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel rather than> > mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the feeling> > that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much more> > grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'.> > > >> > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it was worth> > sharing if anybody was interested.> > > >> > > > The book is called "Vaporize Your Anxiety" by Tom Stone> > > >> > > > Best of luck> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Good grief! This isn't a ringing bell ... its an anvil dropping on your head.A sentence like this bit of psychobabble crappola just screams " nonsense " :picks up and processes the ultra-fine electromagnetic oscillations of everything in the body. It can either invert them to cancel out unwanted resonances or amplify them to strengthen and optimize desirable resonances. Oh please. Show me the carefully done randomized controlled trials or go home.I would bet a year's salary there is nada, zippo, nothing in the way of peer reviewed research on this junk Stuff like this really should be illegal ... and likely would be if and when theFDA got around to itGrrrr. It makes me mad. It is not right to take advantage of human suffering with commercialized nonsense.A colleague active in ACT was part of a company that sold stuff like this years ago(in this case to tell you where to tap on your body to alleviate anxiety). She believed in it. People paid thousand and thousands for the diagnosis by the magic machine. She got high enough in the companythat they finally made her a partner on the condition that she would not reveal the company secrets. What was the secret? The electronic box did nothing.Grrrr.- S C.  And anyone who sells an electronic box for $6495 (what a bargain heh?) that supposedly will cure any number of ills is definitely suss! Even though his vaporize anxiety technique may " work " the rest of his stuff just rings alarm bells for me. " The WaveMaker is a new Human Software Engineering technology device that picks up and processes the ultra-fine electromagnetic oscillations of everything in the body. It can either invert them to cancel out unwanted resonances or amplify them to strengthen and optimize desirable resonances. It can invert the energy/information patterns of conditioning, habits, traumas, negative emotional states, stress, etc. It can also be used to cancel out the energy patterns of toxins, pathogens, drug residues, addictive substances, allergy reactivity, etc. This mode is called " Debug. " It can amplify and optimize the energy of the naturally occurring resonances of positive emotional states and capacities that need optimizing. In addition, it can be used to strengthen and balance the energy patterns of the organs, systems, glands, cells, and molecules. This mode is called " Upgrade. " http://www.greatlifetechnologies.com/wm.shtml--- In ACT_for_the_Public , Jim wrote: >> It may be legit but my google searches haven't been able to reveal anything> but more links back to the author's web site, which is always suspicious in> my book.> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Maarten m.aalberse@... wrote: > > > **> >> >> > As so often with these kinds of approaches, I fnd it necessary to separate> > the techniques and how they are presented.> >> > Here's for instance something that, from an ACT perspective, we'd want to > > reformulate:> >> > " What if you had...> >> > ...a set of simple techniques you could use RIGHT NOW to quickly get rid> > of your anxiety FOREVER? " > > > > This is a way of talking that risks to feed into struggle, no? (even> > though surely Tom Stone doesn't intend this)> >> > Once again, the question: " what would I be able to do if this anxiety > > wasn't a problem anymore for me " is still more crucial.> >> > And from there, for instance:> >> > " can I do some of this, now,even when the anxiety shows up? " > >> > And:> >> > " are there other ways in which this anxiety can become less of a problem> > than " getting rid of it " ?> >> >> > Please don't see this as a statement against the techniques... only as a > > way of adding more flexibility to it all...> >> > Best to all,> >> > Maarten> >> > PS I would be very interested in hearing how these techniques work for > > you, folks...> >> >> > > > > >> > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few weeks ago at > > the bookstore while going through a period of increased anxiousness, and it> > has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like hardly any> > at all anymore> > > > > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and I will try> > to explain it.> > > >> > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period between infancy > > and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the capacity> > to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, and begin> > to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our > > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we continue to> > automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning...> > > >> > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience the intense > > emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of believing> > it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in childhood.> > > >> > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never be fully > > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on the feeling> > level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my anxiety would> > come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get myself out of it > > or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I was always> > using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing whatever I could to> > escape feeling that way.> > > > > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to bring your> > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, using> > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process these > > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting..> > > >> > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has been a> > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and much more > > confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its effects> > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it has> > progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing it for a few > > weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel rather than> > mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the feeling> > that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much more > > grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'.> > > >> > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it was worth> > sharing if anybody was interested. > > > >> > > > The book is called " Vaporize Your Anxiety " by Tom Stone> > > >> > > > Best of luck> > > >> > >> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 And here's the ironic bit: though the 7-grand machine is clearly crap, I'm not convinced the vaporizing "technique" they're employing is without merit. But Stone has elected to wrap it in so much hucksterism and outright fraud that it's hard to sort out what's potentially valuable and what's not. Of course, it's also a lot like some other things out there, so I could quote old Dr. , "it is both original and good. But what is good is not original and what is original is not good."Jim Good grief! This isn't a ringing bell ... its an anvil dropping on your head.A sentence like this bit of psychobabble crappola just screams "nonsense":picks up and processes the ultra-fine electromagnetic oscillations of everything in the body. It can either invert them to cancel out unwanted resonances or amplify them to strengthen and optimize desirable resonances. Oh please. Show me the carefully done randomized controlled trials or go home.I would bet a year's salary there is nada, zippo, nothing in the way of peer reviewed research on this junk Stuff like this really should be illegal ... and likely would be if and when theFDA got around to itGrrrr. It makes me mad. It is not right to take advantage of human suffering with commercialized nonsense.A colleague active in ACT was part of a company that sold stuff like this years ago(in this case to tell you where to tap on your body to alleviate anxiety). She believed in it. People paid thousand and thousands for the diagnosis by the magic machine. She got high enough in the companythat they finally made her a partner on the condition that she would not reveal the company secrets. What was the secret? The electronic box did nothing.Grrrr.- S C. And anyone who sells an electronic box for $6495 (what a bargain heh?) that supposedly will cure any number of ills is definitely suss! Even though his vaporize anxiety technique may "work" the rest of his stuff just rings alarm bells for me. "The WaveMaker is a new Human Software Engineering technology device that picks up and processes the ultra-fine electromagnetic oscillations of everything in the body. It can either invert them to cancel out unwanted resonances or amplify them to strengthen and optimize desirable resonances. It can invert the energy/information patterns of conditioning, habits, traumas, negative emotional states, stress, etc. It can also be used to cancel out the energy patterns of toxins, pathogens, drug residues, addictive substances, allergy reactivity, etc. This mode is called "Debug." It can amplify and optimize the energy of the naturally occurring resonances of positive emotional states and capacities that need optimizing. In addition, it can be used to strengthen and balance the energy patterns of the organs, systems, glands, cells, and molecules. This mode is called "Upgrade." http://www.greatlifetechnologies.com/wm.shtml--- In ACT_for_the_Public , Jim wrote: >> It may be legit but my google searches haven't been able to reveal anything> but more links back to the author's web site, which is always suspicious in> my book.> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Maarten m.aalberse@... wrote: > > > **> >> >> > As so often with these kinds of approaches, I fnd it necessary to separate> > the techniques and how they are presented.> >> > Here's for instance something that, from an ACT perspective, we'd want to > > reformulate:> >> > "What if you had...> >> > ...a set of simple techniques you could use RIGHT NOW to quickly get rid> > of your anxiety FOREVER?"> > > > This is a way of talking that risks to feed into struggle, no? (even> > though surely Tom Stone doesn't intend this)> >> > Once again, the question: "what would I be able to do if this anxiety > > wasn't a problem anymore for me" is still more crucial.> >> > And from there, for instance:> >> > "can I do some of this, now,even when the anxiety shows up?" > >> > And:> >> > "are there other ways in which this anxiety can become less of a problem> > than "getting rid of it"?> >> >> > Please don't see this as a statement against the techniques... only as a > > way of adding more flexibility to it all...> >> > Best to all,> >> > Maarten> >> > PS I would be very interested in hearing how these techniques work for > > you, folks...> >> >> > > > > >> > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few weeks ago at > > the bookstore while going through a period of increased anxiousness, and it> > has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like hardly any> > at all anymore> > > > > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and I will try> > to explain it.> > > >> > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period between infancy > > and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the capacity> > to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, and begin> > to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our > > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we continue to> > automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning...> > > >> > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience the intense > > emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of believing> > it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in childhood.> > > >> > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never be fully > > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on the feeling> > level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my anxiety would> > come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get myself out of it > > or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I was always> > using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing whatever I could to> > escape feeling that way.> > > > > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to bring your> > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, using> > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process these > > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting..> > > >> > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has been a> > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and much more > > confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its effects> > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it has> > progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing it for a few > > weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel rather than> > mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the feeling> > that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much more > > grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'.> > > >> > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it was worth> > sharing if anybody was interested. > > > >> > > > The book is called "Vaporize Your Anxiety" by Tom Stone> > > >> > > > Best of luck> > > >> > >> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Here's yet another perspective.Maybe people like Tom Stone aren't "a fraud", but duped by fusion with certain not sufficiently but very widespread ideas and theories.If it didn't sounded so arrogant coming from my mouth, I'd say: ignorant.And once somebody like Tom gets caught in such fusion with a theory, the later developments that led to this device are "logical"...I say this also because I have met the man and discussed with him (and didn't have the knwledge then that I might have now).I have no reason at all to believe he was a bad guy.And I have met a number of people who have been helped by his device - and as far as I can say, genuinely helped.I'm alsways concerned when I see and "us vs them" thing emerging - and maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sniffing it here.And even more when something that could become a witchhunt: "this man is evil!" I know I'm exaggerating.I prefer to believe that this is about ignorance.And who of us is without ignorance?Does science help? I hope so.Does it help enough? I doubt it.--I'd hope that this discussion, that maybe I have triggered a bit by the quote I sent, doesn't stop people from sharing their experience with this "vaporize technique"...Best to all,Maarten > > > > > >> > > > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few weeks ago at> > > > the bookstore while going through a period of increased anxiousness, and it> > > > has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like hardly any> > > > at all anymore> > > > > >> > > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and I will try> > > > to explain it.> > > > > >> > > > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period between infancy> > > > and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the capacity> > > > to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, and begin> > > > to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our> > > > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we continue to> > > > automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning...> > > > > >> > > > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience the intense> > > > emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of believing> > > > it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in childhood.> > > > > >> > > > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never be fully> > > > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on the feeling> > > > level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my anxiety would> > > > come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get myself out of it> > > > or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I was always> > > > using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing whatever I could to> > > > escape feeling that way.> > > > > >> > > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to bring your> > > > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, using> > > > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process these> > > > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting..> > > > > >> > > > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has been a> > > > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and much more> > > > confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its effects> > > > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it has> > > > progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing it for a few> > > > weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel rather than> > > > mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the feeling> > > > that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much more> > > > grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'.> > > > > >> > > > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it was worth> > > > sharing if anybody was interested.> > > > > >> > > > > > The book is called "Vaporize Your Anxiety" by Tom Stone> > > > > >> > > > > > Best of luck> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 I'm lost - reading the mail trail - something about machines? In terms of VC's original post - and techniques. Anxiety is not something that is always unhealthy and it will always be a part of our lives. In the early days, as a sufferer of Anxiety disorders, having a tool/technique that can get you through that moment of panic makes the difference between being functional or not. Therefore, I disagree that techniques/tools to use in the moment should be dismissed. Learning to recover from an anxiety disorder is a process, baby steps - and it starts with coping one day or even one moment at a time. ACT has given me those tools - and with time, as I learnt more I have been able to deal with more and build on the foundation of those first steps, so now, but not always, I can do things even when the anxiety comes up. So please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. > > > > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few weeks ago at > the bookstore while going through a period of increased anxiousness, and > it has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like hardly > any at all anymore > > > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and I will > try to explain it. > > > > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period between > infancy and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the > capacity to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, > and begin to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we continue > to automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning... > > > > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience the > intense emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of > believing it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in > childhood. > > > > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never be fully > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on the > feeling level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my > anxiety would come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get > myself out of it or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, > because I was always using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and > doing whatever I could to escape feeling that way. > > > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to bring your > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, using > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process these > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting.. > > > > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has been a > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and much > more confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its effects > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it has > progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing it for a > few weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel rather > than mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the > feeling that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much > more grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'. > > > > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it was > worth sharing if anybody was interested. > > > > > > The book is called " Vaporize Your Anxiety " by Tom Stone > > > > > > Best of luck > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Thanks for this, . In my opinion it isn't said often enough by practising professionals (perhaps for obvious reasons).Regards,Detlef> > > > > >> > > > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few weeks ago> > at> > > > the bookstore while going through a period of increased anxiousness,> > and it> > > > has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like hardly> > any> > > > at all anymore> > > > > >> > > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and I will> > try> > > > to explain it.> > > > > >> > > > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period between> > infancy> > > > and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the> > capacity> > > > to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, and> > begin> > > > to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our> > > > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we> > continue to> > > > automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning...> > > > > >> > > > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience the> > intense> > > > emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of> > believing> > > > it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in childhood.> > > > > >> > > > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never be> > fully> > > > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on the> > feeling> > > > level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my anxiety> > would> > > > come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get myself out> > of it> > > > or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I was always> > > > using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing whatever I> > could to> > > > escape feeling that way.> > > > > >> > > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to bring your> > > > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, using> > > > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process these> > > > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting..> > > > > >> > > > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has been a> > > > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and much> > more> > > > confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its effects> > > > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it has> > > > progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing it for> > a few> > > > weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel rather> > than> > > > mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the> > feeling> > > > that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much more> > > > grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'.> > > > > >> > > > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it was> > worth> > > > sharing if anybody was interested.> > > > > >> > > > > > The book is called "Vaporize Your Anxiety" by Tom Stone> > > > > >> > > > > > Best of luck> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 To paraphrase: 'You can help some people all of the time, you can help all people some of the time, but you can't help all people all of the time.' And I would add that anyone who purports to attain the latter is a liar and a fraud.There are some good, well-intentioned folk out there attempting to achieve the first two objectives, but anyone claiming to have achieved the third, I maintain, is a liar and a fraud.Regards,Detlef>> Happened to come across this book with this title a few weeks ago at the bookstore while going through a period of increased anxiousness, and it has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like hardly any at all anymore> > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and I will try to explain it.> > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period between infancy and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the capacity to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, and begin to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we continue to automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning...> > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience the intense emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of believing it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in childhood.> > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never be fully processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on the feeling level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my anxiety would come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get myself out of it or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I was always using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing whatever I could to escape feeling that way.> > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to bring your awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, using thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process these held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting..> > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has been a dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and much more confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its effects immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it has progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing it for a few weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel rather than mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the feeling that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much more grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'.> > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it was worth sharing if anybody was interested.> > The book is called "Vaporize Your Anxiety" by Tom Stone> > Best of luck> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 I'm open to the idea that Tom Stone's device might actually have some beneficial or therapeutic effect. There are things that we don't know still about the human body and energy. But there is no way a device like that is worth that sort of money by any measure. Electronic components just don't cost that much! That's what really sticks in my craw. So aside from the unsubstantiated woowoo bogus sounding " scientific " claims, it's the rip-off aspect of it that really annoys me and makes me question someone's fundamental integrity. Kate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few > weeks ago at > > > > > the bookstore while going through a period of increased > anxiousness, and it > > > > > has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like > hardly any > > > > > at all anymore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and > I will try > > > > > to explain it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period > between infancy > > > > > and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the > capacity > > > > > to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, > and begin > > > > > to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our > > > > > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we > continue to > > > > > automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience > the intense > > > > > emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of > believing > > > > > it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in > childhood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never > be fully > > > > > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on > the feeling > > > > > level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my > anxiety would > > > > > come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get > myself out of it > > > > > or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I was > always > > > > > using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing whatever > I could to > > > > > escape feeling that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to > bring your > > > > > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, > using > > > > > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process > these > > > > > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has > been a > > > > > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and > much more > > > > > confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its > effects > > > > > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it > has > > > > > progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing > it for a few > > > > > weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel > rather than > > > > > mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the > feeling > > > > > that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much > more > > > > > grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it > was worth > > > > > sharing if anybody was interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The book is called " Vaporize Your Anxiety " by Tom Stone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Hi Kate,Remember when I bought Alphastim back at the beginning of the year. I was very skeptical but did my homework and took the plunge. Results? Well, I have found it a really useful little tool for zapping my brain into a slightly calmer state. I am not saying that it is a magic cure all - but I do think ( for me at least) it was money well spent. My husband pinches it and uses it occasionally when he is feeling fed up with work - and he seems to think that 'it does something'. too. I'm not sure if it's not just placebo, but who cares .For me it's just another tool to use alongside ACT. I actually don't use it much now but I don't regret buying it.I haven't looked at the Tom Stone device - but the book looks interesting- I would like to know what exercises he advocates.I think his device is nothing like alphastim which I believe has been backed up by research and reviewed by well respected organisations such as the BBC.You have to be really careful and read between the lines but sometimes nothing ventured nothing gained.Simone To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2012, 23:58 Subject: Re: "Vaporize Your Anxiety" I'm open to the idea that Tom Stone's device might actually have some beneficial or therapeutic effect. There are things that we don't know still about the human body and energy. But there is no way a device like that is worth that sort of money by any measure. Electronic components just don't cost that much! That's what really sticks in my craw. So aside from the unsubstantiated woowoo bogus sounding "scientific" claims, it's the rip-off aspect of it that really annoys me and makes me question someone's fundamental integrity. Kate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few > weeks ago at > > > > > the bookstore while going through a period of increased > anxiousness, and it > > > > > has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like > hardly any > > > > > at all anymore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and > I will try > > > > > to explain it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period > between infancy > > > > > and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the > capacity > > > > > to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them, > and begin > > > > > to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our > > > > > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we > continue to > > > > > automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience > the intense > > > > > emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of > believing > > > > > it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in > childhood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never > be fully > > > > > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on > the feeling > > > > > level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my > anxiety would > > > > > come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get > myself out of it > > > > > or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I was > always > > > > > using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing whatever > I could to > > > > > escape feeling that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to > bring your > > > > > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings, > using > > > > > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process > these > > > > > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has > been a > > > > > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and > much more > > > > > confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its > effects > > > > > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it > has > > > > > progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing > it for a few > > > > > weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel > rather than > > > > > mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the > feeling > > > > > that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much > more > > > > > grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it > was worth > > > > > sharing if anybody was interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The book is called "Vaporize Your Anxiety" by Tom Stone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 As an aside - and not of interest to most here, I guess and i no way meant as a way to defend Tom's work - I really disagree with his theory):This "device" of his is for professional heathcare providers. The exercises he proposes in his books are for the general public and for people under professional treatment (for instance using the "device") to enhance this work done in session and helping clients gain autonomy rapidly.Hope that this clarifies some,Maarten > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few> > weeks ago at> > > > > > the bookstore while going through a period of increased> > anxiousness, and it> > > > > > has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety levels...like> > hardly any> > > > > > at all anymore> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, and> > I will try> > > > > > to explain it.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period> > between infancy> > > > > > and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed the> > capacity> > > > > > to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape them,> > and begin> > > > > > to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, our> > > > > > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet we> > continue to> > > > > > automatically resist them due to our preverbal conditioning...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully experience> > the intense> > > > > > emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a result of> > believing> > > > > > it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in> > childhood.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can never> > be fully> > > > > > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is on> > the feeling> > > > > > level...which is something I can painstakingly attest to...my> > anxiety would> > > > > > come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get> > myself out of it> > > > > > or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I was> > always> > > > > > using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing whatever> > I could to> > > > > > escape feeling that way.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to> > bring your> > > > > > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable feelings,> > using> > > > > > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully process> > these> > > > > > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has> > been a> > > > > > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, and> > much more> > > > > > confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its> > effects> > > > > > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and it> > has> > > > > > progressively gotten better...and since I have been practicing> > it for a few> > > > > > weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel> > rather than> > > > > > mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on the> > feeling> > > > > > that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become much> > more> > > > > > grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my head'.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and thought it> > was worth> > > > > > sharing if anybody was interested.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The book is called "Vaporize Your Anxiety" by Tom Stone> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Best of luck> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Im not sure what all this fuss is about, I mentioned nothing about machines or gadgets I am not disrespecting ACT methods nor comparing them Im not worried about all of Tom Stone's ideas, all I know is that I read this book, and practiced this technique that involved bringing your pure awareness (chess board) to the feelings of fear, rather than keeping it up in the head level, and the effect has been tremendous.... It wasn't nothing new, I had tried something like it before with a therapist, but it really hit me this time...maybe it was the 13 years of preparation This wasn't about trying to eliminate my anxiety, that is a futile endeavor, but about putting my awareness dead in the center of what were previously overwhelming feelings, and they disolved like thoughts dissolve with awareness Much anxiety stems from fear of feeling what we perceive to be overwhelming...though it seems like it, it's not fear of something in the outside world...our minds just need thought forms to attach to, as feeling is not something our mind can see...so our minds latch on to the event that was attached to the fearful feeling to protect us...but when you allow yourself to experience these feelings without resistance, but with pure awareness, they melt...and the effect for me at least, was less anxiety The body is really where it's at, but no doubt it can sometimes take an eternity just to get there because we are so entranced by thought Best vc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few > > > weeks ago at > > > > > > > the bookstore while going through a period of increased > > > anxiousness, and it > > > > > > > has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety > levels...like > > > hardly any > > > > > > > at all anymore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, > and > > > I will try > > > > > > > to explain it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period > > > between infancy > > > > > > > and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed > the > > > capacity > > > > > > > to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape > them, > > > and begin > > > > > > > to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, > our > > > > > > > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet > we > > > continue to > > > > > > > automatically resist them due to our preverbal > conditioning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully > experience > > > the intense > > > > > > > emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a > result of > > > believing > > > > > > > it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in > > > childhood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can > never > > > be fully > > > > > > > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is > on > > > the feeling > > > > > > > level...which is something I can painstakingly attest > to...my > > > anxiety would > > > > > > > come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get > > > myself out of it > > > > > > > or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I > was > > > always > > > > > > > using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing > whatever > > > I could to > > > > > > > escape feeling that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to > > > bring your > > > > > > > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable > feelings, > > > using > > > > > > > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully > process > > > these > > > > > > > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has > > > been a > > > > > > > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, > and > > > much more > > > > > > > confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its > > > effects > > > > > > > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and > it > > > has > > > > > > > progressively gotten better...and since I have been > practicing > > > it for a few > > > > > > > weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel > > > rather than > > > > > > > mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on > the > > > feeling > > > > > > > that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become > much > > > more > > > > > > > grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my > head'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and > thought it > > > was worth > > > > > > > sharing if anybody was interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The book is called " Vaporize Your Anxiety " by Tom Stone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Have to agree here. Feeling those impossible feelings deeply and mindfully on a purely body level is where it's at. When I don't do that, I end up fusing with narratives of meaning whether I want to or not. I listened to this podcast, which pretty much gives away Tom S's whole store, technique-wise. When I practiced those techniques myself as a sort of meditation, the relief from anxiety I experienced was pretty profound. Jim  Im not sure what all this fuss is about, I mentioned nothing about machines or gadgets I am not disrespecting ACT methods nor comparing them Im not worried about all of Tom Stone's ideas, all I know is that I read this book, and practiced this technique that involved bringing your pure awareness (chess board) to the feelings of fear, rather than keeping it up in the head level, and the effect has been tremendous.... It wasn't nothing new, I had tried something like it before with a therapist, but it really hit me this time...maybe it was the 13 years of preparation This wasn't about trying to eliminate my anxiety, that is a futile endeavor, but about putting my awareness dead in the center of what were previously overwhelming feelings, and they disolved like thoughts dissolve with awareness Much anxiety stems from fear of feeling what we perceive to be overwhelming...though it seems like it, it's not fear of something in the outside world...our minds just need thought forms to attach to, as feeling is not something our mind can see...so our minds latch on to the event that was attached to the fearful feeling to protect us...but when you allow yourself to experience these feelings without resistance, but with pure awareness, they melt...and the effect for me at least, was less anxiety The body is really where it's at, but no doubt it can sometimes take an eternity just to get there because we are so entranced by thought Best vc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few > > > weeks ago at > > > > > > > the bookstore while going through a period of increased > > > anxiousness, and it > > > > > > > has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety > levels...like > > > hardly any > > > > > > > at all anymore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, > and > > > I will try > > > > > > > to explain it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period > > > between infancy > > > > > > > and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed > the > > > capacity > > > > > > > to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape > them, > > > and begin > > > > > > > to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, > our > > > > > > > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet > we > > > continue to > > > > > > > automatically resist them due to our preverbal > conditioning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully > experience > > > the intense > > > > > > > emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a > result of > > > believing > > > > > > > it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in > > > childhood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can > never > > > be fully > > > > > > > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is > on > > > the feeling > > > > > > > level...which is something I can painstakingly attest > to...my > > > anxiety would > > > > > > > come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get > > > myself out of it > > > > > > > or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I > was > > > always > > > > > > > using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing > whatever > > > I could to > > > > > > > escape feeling that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to > > > bring your > > > > > > > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable > feelings, > > > using > > > > > > > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully > process > > > these > > > > > > > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has > > > been a > > > > > > > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, > and > > > much more > > > > > > > confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its > > > effects > > > > > > > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and > it > > > has > > > > > > > progressively gotten better...and since I have been > practicing > > > it for a few > > > > > > > weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel > > > rather than > > > > > > > mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on > the > > > feeling > > > > > > > that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become > much > > > more > > > > > > > grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my > head'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and > thought it > > > was worth > > > > > > > sharing if anybody was interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The book is called " Vaporize Your Anxiety " by Tom Stone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 good to hear anxiety is an effect, not a cause...its a natural self defense mechanism to protect one from potentially experiencing the feelings they are afraid of...but when anxiety becomes a personal problem, ala something to be fixed in and of itself, it turns into a cause of anxiety in the mind, and forms an endless loop, as one tries to futilely eliminate what is an effect getting to the source is easier said than done, as different people have different sensitivities to these unpleasant feelings...for me, it's been a long journey, one that for the majority, was spent doing what I said above...trying to futilely eliminate a natural defense mechanism that isn't to say I don't current get anxiety...I wouldn't be human if I didn't...but it's become much more infrequent as I have learned to go directly to the source of the energy, rather than float on the outside layers hope that's not too wordy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happened to come across this book with this title a few > > > > > weeks ago at > > > > > > > > > the bookstore while going through a period of increased > > > > > anxiousness, and it > > > > > > > > > has made a tremendous impact on my daily anxiety > > > levels...like > > > > > hardly any > > > > > > > > > at all anymore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it works will with the Willingness part of ACT, > > > and > > > > > I will try > > > > > > > > > to explain it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Tom Stone (author) researched, is that the period > > > > > between infancy > > > > > > > > > and verbalization, where we feel feelings yet haven't formed > > > the > > > > > capacity > > > > > > > > > to handle intense feelings, we try to surpress and escape > > > them, > > > > > and begin > > > > > > > > > to automatically resist them....as we grow into adulthood, > > > our > > > > > > > > > bodies/brains form the ability to handle these feelings, yet > > > we > > > > > continue to > > > > > > > > > automatically resist them due to our preverbal > > > conditioning... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anxiety is the result of our inability to fully > > > experience > > > > > the intense > > > > > > > > > emotional energy of fear that is held in the body as a > > > result of > > > > > believing > > > > > > > > > it will overwhelm us, much of which happens very early on in > > > > > childhood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So while anxiety dwells on the thinking level, it can > > > never > > > > > be fully > > > > > > > > > processed through the thinking level, because it's origin is > > > on > > > > > the feeling > > > > > > > > > level...which is something I can painstakingly attest > > > to...my > > > > > anxiety would > > > > > > > > > come and go, and I generally used critical thinking to get > > > > > myself out of it > > > > > > > > > or keep it at bay, but it would always come back, because I > > > was > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > using thinking as a way to resist 'feeling', and doing > > > whatever > > > > > I could to > > > > > > > > > escape feeling that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom gives some good tools (while not necessarily new) to > > > > > bring your > > > > > > > > > awareness into the very center of these uncomfortable > > > feelings, > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > thought as the the stimulus, allowing yourself to fully > > > process > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > held-in feelings of fear that you have been resisting.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me, the results have been remarkable, the effect has > > > > > been a > > > > > > > > > dramatic decrease in daily anxiety, far less fear reactions, > > > and > > > > > much more > > > > > > > > > confidence in handling the feelings of fear...I noticed its > > > > > effects > > > > > > > > > immediately from the very first time I started doing it, and > > > it > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > progressively gotten better...and since I have been > > > practicing > > > > > it for a few > > > > > > > > > weeks now, it is becoming automatic for me to go in and feel > > > > > rather than > > > > > > > > > mentally resist, and when I do mentally resist, I zero in on > > > the > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > that comes with it, and I process that too...I have become > > > much > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > grounded in my body, rather than constantly being 'in my > > > head'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, I thought it may be helpful for some and > > > thought it > > > > > was worth > > > > > > > > > sharing if anybody was interested. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The book is called " Vaporize Your Anxiety " by Tom Stone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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