Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Hi Kris I have not seen this Dvd, but if it helps, I have 3 kids with Lyme and Bart ( I’m sure of this one as they have the weird stretch mark) and I believe Babesia and possibly others too. My eldest is now 12 and is affected most like your child. She had developed accelerating OCD, anxiousness, meltdowns, light and sound problems, hatred of crowds etc ...she has now been diagnosed with Aspergers....3 years ago the school told me it was impossible she had this. We have her on Faverin to help with her OCD and she appreciates this greatly. On the Lyme front, we have revolved through a lot of therapies which have helped. We have used, colloidal silver, antibiotics, cats claw ...etc.. We finally bought a Doug Coil machine from Action coil based on the fact that this model has the longest best record treating Lyme. We have been treating our daughter for a few months for Bartonella , building up the time slowly. All I can say is it definitely works! She herxs! She herxes now to Lyme freq too. Be VERY careful to build up slowly and use LOTs of products to detox toxins. Kids with this symtoms seem to have a lot of problems with their detox pathways and definitely need all of the help they can get. We also now give her DE plus lemon juice in water or green clasy , Biofilam (seaweed extract to detox), heaps of clean water, find adding in salt c, helps , spray her with magnesium to absorb through skin. I would give her Morlife Barley grass in orange juice if she could hold it down, as it helps me dramatically. Basically anything that detoxes and supports what she is missing eaten out by Lyme, ( eg mag, b6, omega 6, zinc (all lots not small amounts) , biotin and silica manganese, arachidonic acid and taurine are often low and need supplementation) while she rifes. As her herxes lessen I will put her back on herbal supplements too such as Pau D’arco, clove (very powerful killer of Bartonella so be very careful with this. I would dilute 1 drop of clove bud oil with a carrier oil such as olive in a capsule and give with food), polygonum/cuspidatum/resvesatrol/Japanese knotwood (all the same with different names) Plus teasel. I will also add in biofilm busters such as serraptase and natto and teasel. To be honest, Doug coil with detox and her antibiotics is all she can handle right now with herxing. My other two kids I can do more with herbs Cheers From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of KrisSent: Monday, 11 June 2012 5:16 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: rife vs. coil vs. B I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the G B 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Wow ! Thanks! I feel like I got a Ph D in treating Lyme and co's w/ abx's the past 2 years and I honestly thought we were winning. We were making incredible gains and heading back to how we functioned when we felt well. Then 2 months ago, my daughter started to go down hill and really after analyzing things, my son functions but not as well as he could and I still get plantar faciitis issues and aches and pains an fog but I am someone who always has a positive outlook and might have spun the positivity too far into believing we were better than we were. I mean, we definitely progressed. We were so sick in summer/fall 2010 and made gains for sure but not enough and to see things go backwards is very disheartening. So now I feel like a newbie again after heading into a new treatment direction. It is a leap of faith after paying LLMDs so much $ to heal us the more allopathic way for almost 2 years. At 1st I was skeptical but I have been researching and spending time w/ a very knowledgeable women who went underground a few years back and she and he husband are living proof the homeopathic way can work and very well may be the only way. It just gets confusing because my naturopath/nutritionist whose husband is a Lymie tells me she won't work w/ us unless on abx. So I'm wondering who to go to instead to help us have some guidance w/ rife and detox. I'm a fighter and researcher but scary to do it alone especially when it isn't just my life. I've got my 2 precious kids to get well. How did you get so knowledgeable on detox?BTW, I'm in a suburb of Philly if anyone has any good contacts for me. :)Sent from my iPhone Hi Kris I have not seen this Dvd, but if it helps, I have 3 kids with Lyme and Bart ( I’m sure of this one as they have the weird stretch mark) and I believe Babesia and possibly others too. My eldest is now 12 and is affected most like your child. She had developed accelerating OCD, anxiousness, meltdowns, light and sound problems, hatred of crowds etc ...she has now been diagnosed with Aspergers....3 years ago the school told me it was impossible she had this. We have her on Faverin to help with her OCD and she appreciates this greatly. On the Lyme front, we have revolved through a lot of therapies which have helped. We have used, colloidal silver, antibiotics, cats claw ...etc.. We finally bought a Doug Coil machine from Action coil based on the fact that this model has the longest best record treating Lyme. We have been treating our daughter for a few months for Bartonella , building up the time slowly. All I can say is it definitely works! She herxs! She herxes now to Lyme freq too. Be VERY careful to build up slowly and use LOTs of products to detox toxins. Kids with this symtoms seem to have a lot of problems with their detox pathways and definitely need all of the help they can get. We also now give her DE plus lemon juice in water or green clasy , Biofilam (seaweed extract to detox), heaps of clean water, find adding in salt c, helps , spray her with magnesium to absorb through skin. I would give her Morlife Barley grass in orange juice if she could hold it down, as it helps me dramatically. Basically anything that detoxes and supports what she is missing eaten out by Lyme, ( eg mag, b6, omega 6, zinc (all lots not small amounts) , biotin and silica manganese, arachidonic acid and taurine are often low and need supplementation) while she rifes. As her herxes lessen I will put her back on herbal supplements too such as Pau D’arco, clove (very powerful killer of Bartonella so be very careful with this. I would dilute 1 drop of clove bud oil with a carrier oil such as olive in a capsule and give with food), polygonum/cuspidatum/resvesatrol/Japanese knotwood (all the same with different names) Plus teasel. I will also add in biofilm busters such as serraptase and natto and teasel. To be honest, Doug coil with detox and her antibiotics is all she can handle right now with herxing. My other two kids I can do more with herbs Cheers From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of KrisSent: Monday, 11 June 2012 5:16 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: rife vs. coil vs. B I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the G B 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Hi Kris, We have been sick for years and only under treatment antibiotic treatment one year. Before that knew what I had for 1 year, but could not get ABX so used colloidal, salt c, cats claw in the meantime. I ached felt awful and did not understand that this was die off. Its a weird disease, the only one I know of where you are getting better when you feel sicker.  It took a lot of reading on these sites to understand that herxes were good but the toxins that made us feel so sick need to be helped out of our system in some people ‘more than others’. My daughter is one of these people! She gets sicker than any of us with every treatment and she has the worst symptoms. Som times it is so bad it starts to affect her speech.  I found our first biggest jump in health happened after starting antibiotics. 2nd would be doug coil which is the best but discovered it 2nd. But I feel anything that helps is good! I found out About Diatomeous Earth on this site and salt c, and smilax for detoxing and biofilam and they all really help her. I love Barley grass but it tastes awful! I’m trying to work out if spirulina tablets will do the same. I did a lot of homeopathics for a while and I did herx and feel a bit better but nothing like the doug coil.  Homeopathics  also cost a lot of money for a family of five and treatment was very regular and would last many years. An aunt of mine has been seeing one at $300 a pop every 2 weeks for 2 years and still is better if she goes regularly but not well  A lot of naturopaths and even chinese medicine practitioners ( who have dealt with lyme for hundreds on years) say you need abx as well once it is long term. That said I have heard brilliant things about the Byron white remedies??? Something I might try in future as they are so specifically made for Lyme and co infections. Personally I just use EVERYTHING! I think of this as a war. Also understanding that lyme has 3 forms and a lot of treatments are unable to address all 3 at once in order to eradicate it I specifically look for things that address all 3 plus biofilms plus coninfections plus penetration (teasel).  But I am still only learning and am frustrated by how slow we have to go, or the die off is too great and herxes too bad. I hate being sick but it is worse watching my kids be sick. I want them to get well before they lose their childhood. I know how frustrating this whole process is and wish you all the best on your journey.. there does not seem to be a perfect path or a ‘right way to cure this disease’ so choosing what to do is stressful for us all....especially with lyme brain. All the best Cheers From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Kristie BerdySent: Monday, 11 June 2012 10:19 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: rife vs. coil vs. B Wow ! Thanks! I feel like I got a Ph D in treating Lyme and co's w/ abx's the past 2 years and I honestly thought we were winning. We were making incredible gains and heading back to how we functioned when we felt well. Then 2 months ago, my daughter started to go down hill and really after analyzing things, my son functions but not as well as he could and I still get plantar faciitis issues and aches and pains an fog but I am someone who always has a positive outlook and might have spun the positivity too far into believing we were better than we were. I mean, we definitely progressed. We were so sick in summer/fall 2010 and made gains for sure but not enough and to see things go backwards is very disheartening. So now I feel like a newbie again after heading into a new treatment direction. It is a leap of faith after paying LLMDs so much $ to heal us the more allopathic way for almost 2 years. At 1st I was skeptical but I have been researching and spending time w/ a very knowledgeable women who went underground a few years back and she and he husband are living proof the homeopathic way can work and very well may be the only way. It just gets confusing because my naturopath/nutritionist whose husband is a Lymie tells me she won't work w/ us unless on abx. So I'm wondering who to go to instead to help us have some guidance w/ rife and detox. I'm a fighter and researcher but scary to do it alone especially when it isn't just my life. I've got my 2 precious kids to get well. How did you get so knowledgeable on detox? BTW, I'm in a suburb of Philly if anyone has any good contacts for me. :)Sent from my iPhone Hi Kris I have not seen this Dvd, but if it helps, I have 3 kids with Lyme and Bart ( I’m sure of this one as they have the weird stretch mark) and I believe Babesia and possibly others too. My eldest is now 12 and is affected most like your child. She had developed accelerating OCD, anxiousness, meltdowns, light and sound problems, hatred of crowds etc ...she has now been diagnosed with Aspergers....3 years ago the school told me it was impossible she had this. We have her on Faverin to help with her OCD and she appreciates this greatly. On the Lyme front, we have revolved through a lot of therapies which have helped. We have used, colloidal silver, antibiotics, cats claw ...etc.. We finally bought a Doug Coil machine from Action coil based on the fact that this model has the longest best record treating Lyme. We have been treating our daughter for a few months for Bartonella , building up the time slowly. All I can say is it definitely works! She herxs! She herxes now to Lyme freq too. Be VERY careful to build up slowly and use LOTs of products to detox toxins. Kids with this symtoms seem to have a lot of problems with their detox pathways and definitely need all of the help they can get. We also now give her DE plus lemon juice in water or green clasy , Biofilam (seaweed extract to detox), heaps of clean water, find adding in salt c, helps , spray her with magnesium to absorb through skin. I would give her Morlife Barley grass in orange juice if she could hold it down, as it helps me dramatically. Basically anything that detoxes and supports what she is missing eaten out by Lyme, ( eg mag, b6, omega 6, zinc (all lots not small amounts) , biotin and silica manganese, arachidonic acid and taurine are often low and need supplementation) while she rifes. As her herxes lessen I will put her back on herbal supplements too such as Pau D’arco, clove (very powerful killer of Bartonella so be very careful with this. I would dilute 1 drop of clove bud oil with a carrier oil such as olive in a capsule and give with food), polygonum/cuspidatum/resvesatrol/Japanese knotwood (all the same with different names) Plus teasel. I will also add in biofilm busters such as serraptase and natto and teasel. To be honest, Doug coil with detox and her antibiotics is all she can handle right now with herxing. My other two kids I can do more with herbs Cheers From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of KrisSent: Monday, 11 June 2012 5:16 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: rife vs. coil vs. B I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the G B 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Hi ,Thanks! You are probably referring to Dr. C. We don't see her but I'm familiar w/ her. She actually just accepted an award @ the Lyme Light Fashion Show which supports children w/ Lyme. It's a great event held by our local Lyme support group.We actually see a pedictric Lyme specialist in CT. Althought he's had his fair share of grief w/ the law, he'll fight for these sick kids to the end. Most dr's would run for the hills w/ the resistance he has had from the main stream medical community and government but he is still plugging along. He even graciously accepted the position as medical advisor on the network/website I helped to create with another mom w/ Lyme who has a child w/ Lyme. It is an organization that helps parents w/ kids w/ Lyme. We have had a Facebook page for over a year but finally launched the website last month. It is educational and supportive. I always promised I'd pay it forward once I got a handle on what was happening to us. The website certainly doesn't have all the answers but does help parents who are lost and not sure what is happening to their kids which is so scary.Kris From: Reuter ; To: <Lyme_and_Rife >; Subject: Re: rife vs. coil vs. B Sent: Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:34:05 AM Hi again Kristie, I know you said you saw a couple LLMDs in the philly area but wondering if you saw the one who i think specializes in children? let me know if you want the name. i think we aren't supposed to mention names on the list but to email them privately. Hi Kris I have not seen this Dvd, but if it helps, I have 3 kids with Lyme and Bart ( I’m sure of this one as they have the weird stretch mark) and I believe Babesia and possibly others too. My eldest is now 12 and is affected most like your child. She had developed accelerating OCD, anxiousness, meltdowns, light and sound problems, hatred of crowds etc ...she has now been diagnosed with Aspergers....3 years ago the school told me it was impossible she had this. We have her on Faverin to help with her OCD and she appreciates this greatly. On the Lyme front, we have revolved through a lot of therapies which have helped. We have used, colloidal silver, antibiotics, cats claw ...etc.. We finally bought a Doug Coil machine from Action coil based on the fact that this model has the longest best record treating Lyme. We have been treating our daughter for a few months for Bartonella , building up the time slowly. All I can say is it definitely works! She herxs! She herxes now to Lyme freq too. Be VERY careful to build up slowly and use LOTs of products to detox toxins. Kids with this symtoms seem to have a lot of problems with their detox pathways and definitely need all of the help they can get. We also now give her DE plus lemon juice in water or green clasy , Biofilam (seaweed extract to detox), heaps of clean water, find adding in salt c, helps , spray her with magnesium to absorb through skin. I would give her Morlife Barley grass in orange juice if she could hold it down, as it helps me dramatically. Basically anything that detoxes and supports what she is missing eaten out by Lyme, ( eg mag, b6, omega 6, zinc (all lots not small amounts) , biotin and silica manganese, arachidonic acid and taurine are often low and need supplementation) while she rifes. As her herxes lessen I will put her back on herbal supplements too such as Pau D’arco, clove (very powerful killer of Bartonella so be very careful with this. I would dilute 1 drop of clove bud oil with a carrier oil such as olive in a capsule and give with food), polygonum/cuspidatum/resvesatrol/Japanese knotwood (all the same with different names) Plus teasel. I will also add in biofilm busters such as serraptase and natto and teasel. To be honest, Doug coil with detox and her antibiotics is all she can handle right now with herxing. My other two kids I can do more with herbs Cheers From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of KrisSent: Monday, 11 June 2012 5:16 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: rife vs. coil vs. B I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the G B 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Thanks again, Jim. You are a homeopathic (and allopathic)Lyme encyclopedia! I really appreciate your insight. Trying to get my family well is like the biggest research paper of my life. You have to figure so much out without medical expert input. So I have a contact for the GB 4000 and a good price. Can you give me some insight on the Doug Coil price...just so I have a ballpark figure. BTW, yes, we love your part of FL. We always feel better in the when we have extended visits. We lived in PR for husband's job for 11 years. Due to my Lymie background (certain infections from childhood, strep issues like my daughter and tonsils removed @ 18 yrs old, pituitary gland tumor, gallbladder disease and bi-lateral carpal tunnel surgery and multiple trigger finger release, etc) many dr's think it is very possible I passed Lyme congenitally to my kids but we kept it in check with the 11 years living in the Caribbean w/ the high heat. Moving back to PA a few years back (along w/ 2 swine flu vaccines and 1 reg flu vaccine each) added just another crack on our foundation and we went down hill within 1 year back to PA....just a theory but makes sense. Thanks again!Kris Sent from my iPhone Hi Kris, The GB4000 is a more automated machine, the Doug Coil is more of a manual machine... Many in the past concerned about ease of use, bough Coil machines and do just fine with them.. Here is a video of the ease of use of the Doug Coil: The Life Frequencies Professional you were sold is not effective for Lyme and Bart... Too weak. Also, anything battery operated is too weak for Lyme. Backslides in Lyme are usually cysts morphing back into spirochetes along with the progression of the disease... However, Lyme is a slow reproducer, so most likely this is cysts morphing back.. And this can be reversed once she starts treating again.. Take the time you need to determine the machine you want to buy... The worst thing is rushing to buy and then being sorry later for the wrong choice.. If she is on abx now, it should keep these diseases in check.. Take care, Jim > > I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the GB 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. > > Thanks! > = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Hi Kris, Yes, I was referring to Dr. C. Which support group do you attend? I fairly new to the Lyme community. I know of the one in Langhorne and someone just mentioned another one yesterday, i think in Doylestown. thx, karen Hi Kris I have not seen this Dvd, but if it helps, I have 3 kids with Lyme and Bart ( I’m sure of this one as they have the weird stretch mark) and I believe Babesia and possibly others too. My eldest is now 12 and is affected most like your child. She had developed accelerating OCD, anxiousness, meltdowns, light and sound problems, hatred of crowds etc ...she has now been diagnosed with Aspergers....3 years ago the school told me it was impossible she had this. We have her on Faverin to help with her OCD and she appreciates this greatly. On the Lyme front, we have revolved through a lot of therapies which have helped. We have used, colloidal silver, antibiotics, cats claw ...etc.. We finally bought a Doug Coil machine from Action coil based on the fact that this model has the longest best record treating Lyme. We have been treating our daughter for a few months for Bartonella , building up the time slowly. All I can say is it definitely works! She herxs! She herxes now to Lyme freq too. Be VERY careful to build up slowly and use LOTs of products to detox toxins. Kids with this symtoms seem to have a lot of problems with their detox pathways and definitely need all of the help they can get. We also now give her DE plus lemon juice in water or green clasy , Biofilam (seaweed extract to detox), heaps of clean water, find adding in salt c, helps , spray her with magnesium to absorb through skin. I would give her Morlife Barley grass in orange juice if she could hold it down, as it helps me dramatically. Basically anything that detoxes and supports what she is missing eaten out by Lyme, ( eg mag, b6, omega 6, zinc (all lots not small amounts) , biotin and silica manganese, arachidonic acid and taurine are often low and need supplementation) while she rifes. As her herxes lessen I will put her back on herbal supplements too such as Pau D’arco, clove (very powerful killer of Bartonella so be very careful with this. I would dilute 1 drop of clove bud oil with a carrier oil such as olive in a capsule and give with food), polygonum/cuspidatum/resvesatrol/Japanese knotwood (all the same with different names) Plus teasel. I will also add in biofilm busters such as serraptase and natto and teasel. To be honest, Doug coil with detox and her antibiotics is all she can handle right now with herxing. My other two kids I can do more with herbs Cheers From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of KrisSent: Monday, 11 June 2012 5:16 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: rife vs. coil vs. B I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the G B 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 I have been to Montco Lyme Support Group in North Wales. I have known about it for a while but only started going in Apr of this year. I was always just doing everything on my own before that. The 1st meeting there were 2 speakers. One was a a Dr who trained under Dr. C. She works @ a wellness/rehab center. She seemed Lyme savvy an is an integrative Dr. I liked her a lot. She will use abx but also believes in homeopathic treatment too. Best part, she takes insurance! I nearly dropped dead! I shell out hundreds of dollars out of pocket @ every checkup w/ these big guns LLMDs. And they have taught me a lot but there's more to learn. And to have another dr on my team close to home and takes ins made me feel like I won the lottery! The 2nd speaker of the night was a guy who discussed ticks and how to make your yard less desirable for ticks to reside in your yard. He also talked about spray repellent and clothing that I pretreated w/ tick repellent. I happened to meet a woman after the speakers were done and she asked me if I ever rifed. I actually had 1x in Dec 2010 but i was so knew to Lyme treatment that I could barely decipher what worked and what didn't work, plus it honestly felt like voo doo medicine back then. I understand more now...you grow w/ the disease. I don't discuss it w/ friends much b/c if u never lived it, u don't get it or the extent you will go to to get better. Anyway, after that night, I started researching madly about rife/coil. This woman is an unbelievable resource...like a pioneer of the underground. But I still have to cross my T's and dot my I's and @ the end of the day be my kids and my advocate so I continue to research till I can make a good informed decision on how to add rife/coil and change our treatment path. So far everything this local woman has shared has been spot on! A week after the support meeting, I was @ the Lyme Light Fashion Show and happened to bump into the dr who spoke @ the support group meeting. I asked her about rifing. She said since she is an integrative dr, she believes in homeopathic therapies but she honestly doesn't have the experience to guide me through it. She said she used to have a hyperbaric ox chamber in her office but her ins co. raised her rates b/c of it so she had it taken out and tells patients where to go for that particular treatment. It is about keeping costs low. I happened to book an appt @ her office. It was only a 7 wk wait which in the Lyme world is short! I'm hoping she can help w/ detox support. Hope this all helps!KrisSent from my iPhone Hi Kris, Yes, I was referring to Dr. C. Which support group do you attend? I fairly new to the Lyme community. I know of the one in Langhorne and someone just mentioned another one yesterday, i think in Doylestown. thx, karen Hi Kris I have not seen this Dvd, but if it helps, I have 3 kids with Lyme and Bart ( I’m sure of this one as they have the weird stretch mark) and I believe Babesia and possibly others too. My eldest is now 12 and is affected most like your child. She had developed accelerating OCD, anxiousness, meltdowns, light and sound problems, hatred of crowds etc ...she has now been diagnosed with Aspergers....3 years ago the school told me it was impossible she had this. We have her on Faverin to help with her OCD and she appreciates this greatly. On the Lyme front, we have revolved through a lot of therapies which have helped. We have used, colloidal silver, antibiotics, cats claw ...etc.. We finally bought a Doug Coil machine from Action coil based on the fact that this model has the longest best record treating Lyme. We have been treating our daughter for a few months for Bartonella , building up the time slowly. All I can say is it definitely works! She herxs! She herxes now to Lyme freq too. Be VERY careful to build up slowly and use LOTs of products to detox toxins. Kids with this symtoms seem to have a lot of problems with their detox pathways and definitely need all of the help they can get. We also now give her DE plus lemon juice in water or green clasy , Biofilam (seaweed extract to detox), heaps of clean water, find adding in salt c, helps , spray her with magnesium to absorb through skin. I would give her Morlife Barley grass in orange juice if she could hold it down, as it helps me dramatically. Basically anything that detoxes and supports what she is missing eaten out by Lyme, ( eg mag, b6, omega 6, zinc (all lots not small amounts) , biotin and silica manganese, arachidonic acid and taurine are often low and need supplementation) while she rifes. As her herxes lessen I will put her back on herbal supplements too such as Pau D’arco, clove (very powerful killer of Bartonella so be very careful with this. I would dilute 1 drop of clove bud oil with a carrier oil such as olive in a capsule and give with food), polygonum/cuspidatum/resvesatrol/Japanese knotwood (all the same with different names) Plus teasel. I will also add in biofilm busters such as serraptase and natto and teasel. To be honest, Doug coil with detox and her antibiotics is all she can handle right now with herxing. My other two kids I can do more with herbs Cheers From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of KrisSent: Monday, 11 June 2012 5:16 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: rife vs. coil vs. B I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the G B 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. Thanks! = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Thanks Jim. I had a feeling the laptop version was too weak and too good to be true. > > > > I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the GB 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. > > > > Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 My shot from the cheap seats. I have a " Dan " EMEM machine made by Kopek (www.rifemachinebuilder.com). I have an Levy Doug Coil Machine. I have a Fitzgerald Doug Coil Machine ( Stolar taught Fitzgerald) All 3 work in producing a Herx every time. From Rosner's book and talking to some people who have been cured long term using the Coil machines, that is the path we are taking. I've talked to a woman who used the GB4000 and had good benefit from it except for her head symptoms. This makes sense to me because the GB4000 is an electrification machine. The electricity will take the path of least resistance through the body from hands to feet. This will likely be the body fluids. So it will not get to the brain. Since the brain is electrical, I doubt it would be healthy at all for it to reach the brain anyway!!! For this reason, I've strongly preferred the radiant machines. The Doug Coil machines work at frequencies that should easily penetrate every single cell in the body, including bone! I think this may be why it has a good efficacy. So although the Doug Coil machines have been the staple that we use, the EMEM Rife machine still provides consistent Herxs. So we are going to go forward using both to complement each other. Like Rosner says, it might be good to have multiple types of machines. If you have the money, get one of the Coil Machines above and also others like a GB4000 or EMEM or PERL. If you're on a tight budget and can only afford one, I'd recommend the Fitzgerald (or Stolar) Doug Coil Machine. > > > > I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the GB 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. > > > > Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 A Doug Coil machine will cost you total ~$3300 from Levy. About half that for a Stolar or Fitzgerald (trained by Stolar) Doug Coil machine. The latter two are absolute bargains but there may be a wait. can get you one quicker. > > > > > > I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the GB 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 If saving the money is an issue and I could just buy one machine I would go for the coil , Kindly marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:01 AMSubject: Re: rife vs. coil vs. B My shot from the cheap seats.I have a "Dan " EMEM machine made by Kopek (www.rifemachinebuilder.com).I have an Levy Doug Coil Machine.I have a Fitzgerald Doug Coil Machine ( Stolar taught Fitzgerald)All 3 work in producing a Herx every time. From Rosner's book and talking to some people who have been cured long term using the Coil machines, that is the path we are taking.I've talked to a woman who used the GB4000 and had good benefit from it except for her head symptoms. This makes sense to me because the GB4000 is an electrification machine. The electricity will take the path of least resistance through the body from hands to feet. This will likely be the body fluids. So it will not get to the brain. Since the brain is electrical, I doubt it would be healthy at all for it to reach the brain anyway!!!For this reason, I've strongly preferred the radiant machines. The Doug Coil machines work at frequencies that should easily penetrate every single cell in the body, including bone! I think this may be why it has a good efficacy.So although the Doug Coil machines have been the staple that we use, the EMEM Rife machine still provides consistent Herxs. So we are going to go forward using both to complement each other. Like Rosner says, it might be good to have multiple types of machines. If you have the money, get one of the Coil Machines above and also others like a GB4000 or EMEM or PERL.If you're on a tight budget and can only afford one, I'd recommend the Fitzgerald (or Stolar) Doug Coil Machine.> >> > I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the GB 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. > > > > Thanks!> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 HI Alan , Waht about coming back where the weather gets better in Florida ? i tmay be time for som eheavy metal detox after theses vaccins ? Hoping you and you familly get better an better Kindly Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 9:32 AMSubject: Re: rife vs. coil vs. B A Doug Coil machine will cost you total ~$3300 from Levy. About half that for a Stolar or Fitzgerald (trained by Stolar) Doug Coil machine.The latter two are absolute bargains but there may be a wait. can get you one quicker.> > >> > > I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the GB 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. > > > > > > Thanks!> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Hi Kris, Dr. C in CT is a real Lyme angel!! He is one of the most dedicated doctors, probably the most dedicated LLMD, really cares about his kids and I know he would like to find a cure for Lyme before he leaves this earth... Gosh, he's 81 and works 7 days a week, long after his office is closed... And yes an angel again, fighting those trying to persecute him, he could just give in to them, but knows if he does it will be all that easier for them to go after other LLMDs in the future... He is making it as difficult as he can for those doing this to him, hoping they will think twice about doing this to another LLMD... What is his crime? He does not give his patients 2 aspirins and has them call in the morning!! Nope, he treats aggressively, and if you don't treat Lyme aggressively with abx, might as well not treat it at all... So many have been under treated with Lyme and sent home as cured, only to worsen, much worse in a year or two.. Please let him know EVERYONE in the Lyme community is behind him and no matter how he comes out of this, he is the greatest!! I think he knows this, but he also needs to keep hearing it! Take care, Jim > > Hi , > > Thanks! You are probably referring to Dr. C. We don & #39;t see her but I & #39;m familiar w/ her. She actually just accepted an award @ the Lyme Light Fashion Show which supports children w/ Lyme. It & #39;s a great event held by our local Lyme support group. > > We actually see a pedictric Lyme specialist in CT. Althought he & #39;s had his fair share of grief w/ the law, he & #39;ll fight for these sick kids to the end. Most dr & #39;s would run for the hills w/ the resistance he has had from the main stream medical community and government but he is still plugging along. He even graciously accepted the position as medical advisor on the network/website I helped to create with another mom w/ Lyme who has a child w/ Lyme. It is an organization that helps parents w/ kids w/ Lyme. We have had a Facebook page for over a year but finally launched the website last month. It is educational and supportive. I always promised I & #39;d pay it forward once I got a handle on what was happening to us. The website certainly doesn & #39;t have all the answers but does help parents who are lost and not sure what is happening to their kids which is so scary. > > Kris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 What you say about the GB4000 is correct, used as a stand alone or with the SR4 amp it is a contact machine and it will use the path of least resistance blood stream and body fluids.. However, if the GB4000 is use with the MOPA amp, it no longer is a contact device, but rather a powerful radiant plasma device... Take care, Jim > > > > > > I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the GB 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 With 6 Doug Coil builders now on my list, there should be little wait time... Take care, Jim > > > > > > > > I watched a DVD back from the 2006 Rife conference w/ Rosner and Doug Maclean (friend let me borrow it) where they discuss the coil machine used to treat Lyme. It was very interesting and got me into researching this form of therapy. I never got a chance to actually see the machine or understand the difference as far as use compared to the GB 4000 which I have seen/used a few times. Is it more difficult to use the coil machine? Any info comparing/constrasting the 2 machines is very appreciated. My naturopath/nutritionist sold me Life Frequencies Professional. It is essentially a rife machine program for my laptop. It works on sound frequency. For $120 we thought it was worth trying but I just don't want to waste my time on something that isn't going to bring down the bacterial load enough otherise it is like running on ice...getting nowhere. I feel like I can say we seen some herxing with it but who knows. It wasn't like how we felt when we tried the GB 4000. I just feel like I have looked since April at machines and need to make a decision since school ended Fri and I want to get a jump start on it over the summer. My daughter (10 yrs old) has gone in reverse in the past 2 months after 18 months of steadily doing better. I'm not sure what has caused the backslide but I need to try and get ahead of the game again. It is torture watching her feel anxious, have meltdowns and OCD creep back into the picture again. We/dr. believe it is the Bart causing this. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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