Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 I don't know if gout is common with Iga but I do know that when I get an acute attack it sure can hurt. My neph said it is not related but I have seen a number of posts here refering to it. My dad and brother suffer from it but neither one have kidney problems. The only preventative I know of is taking allipourinal daily. I take 100mg each morning and will take one in the evening if I feel the twinge of an attack starting . It helps to take it easy on the beer and red meat to. ) Steve gout > Hi all, I'm 25 and was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago. I feel great, > except for periodic gout. Does any else suffer from gout? Is it > common for Iga? Does anyone know of natural aids for preventing gout. > I feel that I'm on enough medication and am very much trying to avoid > another daily med for gout. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 IgAN itself isn't associated with gout, as far as i know, but it can be associated with chronic renal failure which is the result of IgAN (especially if a person has an existing tendency towards having gout. Diuretics that many kidney patients are on can also precipitate gout attacks. I don't know of any " natural " treatments (some " say " vitamin E and flax oil can help though), but there are dietary measures you can take to minimize it - before medications become permanently necessary. Avoiding alcohol is one, and cutting back on rich, fatty foods, and on certain specific foods that contain high amounts of a substance called purines. Purine-containing foods: organ meat, shellfish, oily fish such as anchovies, sardines, salmon, herring, mackerel, beans, peas, oatmeal, spinach, asparagus, cauliflower, mushrooms, bakers yeast (eg. baked goods and bread). Don't eat too much of any meat, as too much meat can elevate uric acid levels. A vegetarian diet can also do it, however, since beans and peas, which are a staple of vegan diets especially, are high in purines. However, gout isn't as harmless a condition as many people think. It would be a good idea to see a doctor first, even if you don't want to try medications - just to be sure they aren't necessary. Often, what will happen is that you take a medication initially and then follow up with only dietary measures. From knowing some relatives who had gout, I wouldn't be surprised if many people just eventually give up on diet only and give in to the meds, though. But certainly, not everyone with renal failure gets gout. I don't, and yet I have more advanced renal failure plus I take a strong diuretic. I think it depends on how susceptible a person already is to it. Pierre gout > Hi all, I'm 25 and was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago. I feel great, > except for periodic gout. Does any else suffer from gout? Is it > common for Iga? Does anyone know of natural aids for preventing gout. > I feel that I'm on enough medication and am very much trying to avoid > another daily med for gout. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 I started having recurring gout (about once every 3 to 6 months) about 5-6 years before going into ESRD. It was very painful, usually in my right major toe area (ball of the foot). Rich foods and cheeses (pizza) particularly brought it on, though it took me a while to figure out what it was and what was causing it. My GP checked my uric acid and it was high. He put me on allopurinol 100 mg per day. It took care of the gout. However, one of the side effects listed on the medication was an increase in serum creat. I asked my GP about it and he said that there are a very small percentage of people who would start going into kidney failure after starting allopurinol. It may be a complete coincidence, but my serum creat started going up concurrently with the med. I don't know if it hastened my decline to ESRD, but I have a nagging suspician. I know this is not scientific, just a hunch. Marty gout > Hi all, I'm 25 and was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago. I feel great, > except for periodic gout. Does any else suffer from gout? Is it > common for Iga? Does anyone know of natural aids for preventing gout. > I feel that I'm on enough medication and am very much trying to avoid > another daily med for gout. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 I used to get bad attacks of gout (10 years ago) particularly in the big toe joint. My doc told me to cut down on grog and stop eating things like sheep's brains, liver and legumes. meat was a high proportion of my diet. I had repeated bad attacks even when I stopped drinking alcohol and eating meats rich in purines. Two forms of treatment was used to relieve the symptoms, NAISD drugs like naprosyn and indocid and colchicine (derived from the crocus plant) The NSAID drugs gave me a crook gut and the colchicine to be effective caused diarrhoea. However, anyone who is in the middle of an attack would not care about the side effects. Colchicine is a treatment which dates back to the 6th century and fell from favour when the NAISD drugs came on the scene. However, I prefer colchicine side effects to those of the NSAID drugs which also cause problems when administered with diuretics. I was having repeated attacks of gout long before I knew I had IGAN but while protein and blood was present in my urine and also when I was on diuretics to treatment elevated BP so who knows whether it is related or not. To prevent the attacks I take 200mg daily of allopurinol. I never miss a day. This has the effect of preventing uric acid forming (the culprit crystallising out of the blood in cool areas of the body). Doctors would not prescribe this teatment for the odd attack, only for regular repeated attacks. This treatment has reduced the serum uric acid level to 0.29mmol/L, well within the accepted range. My brother gets chronic gout as did my father but as far as I know they did not have IGAN so chances are it is hereditary but dmaged kidneys will not help my situation. Derrick Sydney, Australia iginal Message ----- From: blindzup To: iga-nephropathy Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:25 AM Subject: gout Hi all, I'm 25 and was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago. I feel great, except for periodic gout. Does any else suffer from gout? Is it common for Iga? Does anyone know of natural aids for preventing gout. I feel that I'm on enough medication and am very much trying to avoid another daily med for gout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Derrick's post just reminded me. My GP first gave me indomecithin (sp?) for the pain (an NSAID). He later changed it to clinoril 200mg (suldinac was the generic). My point is that generally NSAIDs are very bad for people with kidney problems. My GP said of what is available, clinoril has the lowest effect on the kidney. This might come in handy to people some time. My GP is very, very sharp. He's an MD and PhD. He seems to know meds better than most doctors I've seen. Like Derrick said, when you're in such pain, you may not think as conservatively about side effects. Marty gout > Hi all, I'm 25 and was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago. I feel great, > except for periodic gout. Does any else suffer from gout? Is it > common for Iga? Does anyone know of natural aids for preventing gout. > I feel that I'm on enough medication and am very much trying to avoid > another daily med for gout. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Yes Pierre, I would second that. I was told that if I did not do something about my regular and repeated attacks of gout, uric acid crystals could eventually crystallise out in my kidneys causing severe kidney damage and that was before I was diagnosed IGAN! Ironic really. Derrick Sydney, Australia gout > Hi all, I'm 25 and was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago. I feel great, > except for periodic gout. Does any else suffer from gout? Is it > common for Iga? Does anyone know of natural aids for preventing gout. > I feel that I'm on enough medication and am very much trying to avoid > another daily med for gout. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Derrick. I think I was originally taking 200mg also. Eventually, I changed to 100. Since starting dialysis, I don't take it anymore. I no longer have the bad flare-ups either. On occasion, I may have a mild occurance due to eating something I shouldn't have. : ) gout > Hi all, I'm 25 and was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago. I feel great, > except for periodic gout. Does any else suffer from gout? Is it > common for Iga? Does anyone know of natural aids for preventing gout. > I feel that I'm on enough medication and am very much trying to avoid > another daily med for gout. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Marty, I am taking 200mg daily of allopurinol and I did not think it caused an increase in my serum creatinine however it is difficult to really know at this late stage. Derrick Sydney, Australia gout > Hi all, I'm 25 and was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago. I feel great, > except for periodic gout. Does any else suffer from gout? Is it > common for Iga? Does anyone know of natural aids for preventing gout. > I feel that I'm on enough medication and am very much trying to avoid > another daily med for gout. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Marty, That is good to know. I saw my Neph last week and quiried the 200mg as I have been reading up on all the drugs I take. He said to keep on with 200mg. I would like to cut it down because I am already taking a fair amount of drugs, but whoooo, the pain, even though it is two years since I had a bad attack it is vivd in my memory. Derrick, Sydney, Australia gout > Hi all, I'm 25 and was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago. I feel great, > except for periodic gout. Does any else suffer from gout? Is it > common for Iga? Does anyone know of natural aids for preventing gout. > I feel that I'm on enough medication and am very much trying to avoid > another daily med for gout. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 I have heard the word gout often, but am unsure of what it is? Is it a fungus of some sort> gout > > > > Hi all, I'm 25 and was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago. I feel great, > > except for periodic gout. Does any else suffer from gout? Is it > > common for Iga? Does anyone know of natural aids for preventing gout. > > I feel that I'm on enough medication and am very much trying to avoid > > another daily med for gout. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 , I wish it was, it would be easier to treat. Gout is caused by deposits of uric acid crystals in the joints. Sometimes it is referred to as gouty arthritus. The uric acid crystals irritate the joint and inflammation and swelling of the joint occurs causing extreme pain, and I mean extreme to the point where the person is completely debilitated. I am not a doctor, so my terminology may not be too accurate. In me my foot would swell aroound the big toe joint and I could not bear anyone to look at it let alone touch it. Derrick Sydney, Australia gout > > > > Hi all, I'm 25 and was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago. I feel great, > > except for periodic gout. Does any else suffer from gout? Is it > > common for Iga? Does anyone know of natural aids for preventing gout. > > I feel that I'm on enough medication and am very much trying to avoid > > another daily med for gout. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 It gets a little scarey as we approach end-stage, because many of the drugs we may have to take can seem to worsen the renal failure (if you judge by serum creatinine). For example, I take irbesartan (Avapro) for my high blood pressure - it causes an increase in serum creatinine. I take furosemide, for the blood pressure and to keep potassium down - it causes an increase in serum creatinine. I take felodipine, also for BP - guess what? Another jumb in serum creatinine. I've been told not to worry about it, that it isn't significant, but still, like Marty said in his post, sometimes you have to wonder. Unfortunately, there's a point of no return with renal failure. Without the drugs bringing down my BP, I suspect I would be on dialysis sooner rather than later. Pierre Re: gout > Marty, > I am taking 200mg daily of allopurinol and I did not think it caused an increase in my serum creatinine however it is difficult to really know at this late stage. > > Derrick > Sydney, Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 Is gout something that everyone with Igan eventually gets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 No. --Pierre Re: gout > Is gout something that everyone with Igan eventually gets? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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