Re: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

[Guest guest]

As far as my research Valtrex is a next generation of the same active ingredient

as Acyclovir, We were on Valtrex but my son's tiers never came down until we

switched to Acyclovir. Taking it five times a day made the difference.

bill

________________________________

From: Buckley <stephaniejbuckley@...>

nids ; neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance

Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 4:54:58 PM

Subject: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

Hello,

Can someone please explain to me the difference in these anit-virals? My boys

are on Valacyclovir and doing pretty good BUT I wonder if Valtrex itself or

Acyclovir would be better. My oldest gets cold sores and in the past has been

given valtrex for an outbreak. It clears it up almost immediately however on

the Valacyclivir he still gets the cold sores...Is it not as strong?

Thanks,

Steph

[Guest guest]

Valacyclovir (Valtrex) and we can include Famcyclovir (FamVir) in this

discussion - both often prescribed by Dr Goldberg are more complex versions

of Acyclovir - they both pass through the gut into the bloodstream and are

metabolised in the liver to produce acyclovir.

Acyclovir (Zovirax) is metabolised more in the gut and a lot passes through

the system before reaching the bloodstream - that is why the doses are

higher and taken more often during the day - this is my rudimentary

understanding.

FamVir and Valtrex can cause spikes in liver enzyme levels, which is one

reason why Dr G routinely checks these in bloodwork. My son would not

tolerate Valtrex that well, but did so FamVir - which we have used for over

ten years, though we are now using Acyclovir for the second time - it seems

slightly more effective - its just a pain have to take it 5 x instead of 3x.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bill

klimas

Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 3:59 PM

Subject: Re: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

As far as my research Valtrex is a next generation of the same active

ingredient

as Acyclovir, We were on Valtrex but my son's tiers never came down until we

switched to Acyclovir. Taking it five times a day made the difference.

bill

________________________________

From: Buckley <stephaniejbuckley@...

<mailto:stephaniejbuckley%40hotmail.com> >

nids <mailto:nids%40> ;

neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance

<mailto:neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance%40>

Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 4:54:58 PM

Subject: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

Hello,

Can someone please explain to me the difference in these anit-virals? My

boys

are on Valacyclovir and doing pretty good BUT I wonder if Valtrex itself or

Acyclovir would be better. My oldest gets cold sores and in the past has

been

given valtrex for an outbreak. It clears it up almost immediately however on

the Valacyclivir he still gets the cold sores...Is it not as strong?

Thanks,

Steph

[Guest guest]

Valacyclovir is the generic for Vlatrex.........same thing just differnt

price.  Acyclovir is a bit different.....not sure exactly but I think it is a

bit less strong. You can google it and find out.  There is also another herpes

anti viral called FAMVIR.   People often find one works and another does not

or one works for awhile and then they need to switch......all are good it's just

trial and error for you.

 

From: Buckley <stephaniejbuckley@...>

Subject: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

nids , neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance

Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 4:54 PM

 

Hello,

Can someone please explain to me the difference in these anit-virals? My boys

are on Valacyclovir and doing pretty good BUT I wonder if Valtrex itself or

Acyclovir would be better. My oldest gets cold sores and in the past has been

given valtrex for an outbreak. It clears it up almost immediately however on the

Valacyclivir he still gets the cold sores...Is it not as strong?

Thanks,

Steph

[Guest guest]

I was surprised to see your son has been using antivirals for SO many years. Is

he unable to keep his titers down without them, or what is the reasoning behind

such prolonged use?

Thanks,

Dawn

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 4, 2011, at 7:14 PM, " Crosss " <crosswilsons@...> wrote:

Valacyclovir (Valtrex) and we can include Famcyclovir (FamVir) in this

discussion - both often prescribed by Dr Goldberg are more complex versions

of Acyclovir - they both pass through the gut into the bloodstream and are

metabolised in the liver to produce acyclovir.

Acyclovir (Zovirax) is metabolised more in the gut and a lot passes through

the system before reaching the bloodstream - that is why the doses are

higher and taken more often during the day - this is my rudimentary

understanding.

FamVir and Valtrex can cause spikes in liver enzyme levels, which is one

reason why Dr G routinely checks these in bloodwork. My son would not

tolerate Valtrex that well, but did so FamVir - which we have used for over

ten years, though we are now using Acyclovir for the second time - it seems

slightly more effective - its just a pain have to take it 5 x instead of 3x.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bill

klimas

Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 3:59 PM

Subject: Re: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

As far as my research Valtrex is a next generation of the same active

ingredient

as Acyclovir, We were on Valtrex but my son's tiers never came down until we

switched to Acyclovir. Taking it five times a day made the difference.

bill

________________________________

From: Buckley <stephaniejbuckley@...

<mailto:stephaniejbuckley%40hotmail.com> >

nids <mailto:nids%40> ;

neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance

<mailto:neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance%40>

Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 4:54:58 PM

Subject: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

Hello,

Can someone please explain to me the difference in these anit-virals? My

boys

are on Valacyclovir and doing pretty good BUT I wonder if Valtrex itself or

Acyclovir would be better. My oldest gets cold sores and in the past has

been

given valtrex for an outbreak. It clears it up almost immediately however on

the Valacyclivir he still gets the cold sores...Is it not as strong?

Thanks,

Steph

[Guest guest]

I believe Valtrex is converted into Acyclovir by the liver, that that's the main

difference?

________________________________

From: Bill klimas <klimas_bill@...>

Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 5:58:31 PM

Subject: Re: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

 

As far as my research Valtrex is a next generation of the same active ingredient

as Acyclovir, We were on Valtrex but my son's tiers never came down until we

switched to Acyclovir. Taking it five times a day made the difference.

bill

________________________________

From: Buckley <stephaniejbuckley@...>

nids ; neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance

Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 4:54:58 PM

Subject: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

Hello,

Can someone please explain to me the difference in these anit-virals? My boys

are on Valacyclovir and doing pretty good BUT I wonder if Valtrex itself or

Acyclovir would be better. My oldest gets cold sores and in the past has been

given valtrex for an outbreak. It clears it up almost immediately however on

the Valacyclivir he still gets the cold sores...Is it not as strong?

Thanks,

Steph

[Guest guest]

Ooh you were much better at that explanation.  Thanks!

________________________________

From: Crosss <crosswilsons@...>

Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 7:14:37 PM

Subject: RE: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

 

Valacyclovir (Valtrex) and we can include Famcyclovir (FamVir) in this

discussion - both often prescribed by Dr Goldberg are more complex versions

of Acyclovir - they both pass through the gut into the bloodstream and are

metabolised in the liver to produce acyclovir.

Acyclovir (Zovirax) is metabolised more in the gut and a lot passes through

the system before reaching the bloodstream - that is why the doses are

higher and taken more often during the day - this is my rudimentary

understanding.

FamVir and Valtrex can cause spikes in liver enzyme levels, which is one

reason why Dr G routinely checks these in bloodwork. My son would not

tolerate Valtrex that well, but did so FamVir - which we have used for over

ten years, though we are now using Acyclovir for the second time - it seems

slightly more effective - its just a pain have to take it 5 x instead of 3x.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bill

klimas

Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 3:59 PM

Subject: Re: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

As far as my research Valtrex is a next generation of the same active

ingredient

as Acyclovir, We were on Valtrex but my son's tiers never came down until we

switched to Acyclovir. Taking it five times a day made the difference.

bill

________________________________

From: Buckley <stephaniejbuckley@...

<mailto:stephaniejbuckley%40hotmail.com> >

nids <mailto:nids%40> ;

neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance

<mailto:neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance%40>

Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 4:54:58 PM

Subject: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

Hello,

Can someone please explain to me the difference in these anit-virals? My

boys

are on Valacyclovir and doing pretty good BUT I wonder if Valtrex itself or

Acyclovir would be better. My oldest gets cold sores and in the past has

been

given valtrex for an outbreak. It clears it up almost immediately however on

the Valacyclivir he still gets the cold sores...Is it not as strong?

Thanks,

Steph

[Guest guest]

I was surprised to see your son has been using antivirals for SO many years.  Is

he unable to keep his titers down without them, or what is the reasoning behind

such prolonged use?  

Thanks,

Dawn

>

> Valacyclovir (Valtrex) and we can include Famcyclovir (FamVir) in this

> discussion - both often prescribed by Dr Goldberg are more complex versions

> of Acyclovir - they both pass through the gut into the bloodstream and are

> metabolised in the liver to produce acyclovir.

>

> Acyclovir (Zovirax) is metabolised more in the gut and a lot passes through

> the system before reaching the bloodstream - that is why the doses are

> higher and taken more often during the day - this is my rudimentary

> understanding.

>

> FamVir and Valtrex can cause spikes in liver enzyme levels, which is one

> reason why Dr G routinely checks these in bloodwork. My son would not

> tolerate Valtrex that well, but did so FamVir - which we have used for over

> ten years, though we are now using Acyclovir for the second time - it seems

> slightly more effective - its just a pain have to take it 5 x instead of 3x.

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bill

> klimas

> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 3:59 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

>

>

>

>

>

> As far as my research Valtrex is a next generation of the same active

> ingredient

> as Acyclovir, We were on Valtrex but my son's tiers never came down until we

>

> switched to Acyclovir. Taking it five times a day made the difference.

> bill

>

> ________________________________

> From: Buckley <stephaniejbuckley@...

> <mailto:stephaniejbuckley%40hotmail.com> >

> nids <mailto:nids%40> ;

> neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance

> <mailto:neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance%40>

> Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 4:54:58 PM

> Subject: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

>

> Hello,

>

> Can someone please explain to me the difference in these anit-virals? My

> boys

> are on Valacyclovir and doing pretty good BUT I wonder if Valtrex itself or

> Acyclovir would be better. My oldest gets cold sores and in the past has

> been

> given valtrex for an outbreak. It clears it up almost immediately however on

>

> the Valacyclivir he still gets the cold sores...Is it not as strong?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Steph

>

>

[Guest guest]

HHV - 6 is way down - and mostly always negative, but CMV and EBV are often

very difficult to bring down. Many kids/teens and young adults who are

recovered still use an antiviral (and have done so for a lot longer than my

son) to keep their system in check - if they stop I am told, cognitive

function can suffer some. Antivirals assist in 'cooling' the immune system

- they are not a cure. As I understand it, many people with CFS use them

longer term as well. If we could get immune modulating medicines into

trial, and approved, we might have a shot and getting the immune system into

better shape, and reduce the reliance on antivirals.

R

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dawn

Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:42 PM

Subject: Re: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

I was surprised to see your son has been using antivirals for SO many years.

Is he unable to keep his titers down without them, or what is the reasoning

behind such prolonged use?

Thanks,

Dawn

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 4, 2011, at 7:14 PM, " Crosss " <crosswilsons@...

<mailto:crosswilsons%40socal.rr.com> > wrote:

Valacyclovir (Valtrex) and we can include Famcyclovir (FamVir) in this

discussion - both often prescribed by Dr Goldberg are more complex versions

of Acyclovir - they both pass through the gut into the bloodstream and are

metabolised in the liver to produce acyclovir.

Acyclovir (Zovirax) is metabolised more in the gut and a lot passes through

the system before reaching the bloodstream - that is why the doses are

higher and taken more often during the day - this is my rudimentary

understanding.

FamVir and Valtrex can cause spikes in liver enzyme levels, which is one

reason why Dr G routinely checks these in bloodwork. My son would not

tolerate Valtrex that well, but did so FamVir - which we have used for over

ten years, though we are now using Acyclovir for the second time - it seems

slightly more effective - its just a pain have to take it 5 x instead of 3x.

_____

From: <mailto:%40>

[mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of

Bill

klimas

Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 3:59 PM

<mailto:%40>

Subject: Re: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

As far as my research Valtrex is a next generation of the same active

ingredient

as Acyclovir, We were on Valtrex but my son's tiers never came down until we

switched to Acyclovir. Taking it five times a day made the difference.

bill

________________________________

From: Buckley <stephaniejbuckley@...

<mailto:stephaniejbuckley%40hotmail.com>

<mailto:stephaniejbuckley%40hotmail.com> >

nids <mailto:nids%40>

<mailto:nids%40> ;

neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance

<mailto:neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance%40>

<mailto:neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance%40>

Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 4:54:58 PM

Subject: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

Hello,

Can someone please explain to me the difference in these anit-virals? My

boys

are on Valacyclovir and doing pretty good BUT I wonder if Valtrex itself or

Acyclovir would be better. My oldest gets cold sores and in the past has

been

given valtrex for an outbreak. It clears it up almost immediately however on

the Valacyclivir he still gets the cold sores...Is it not as strong?

Thanks,

Steph

[Guest guest]

Keeping the viruses suppressed, because they have a lot of modulating effects on

a dysfunctioning immune system.  This illness can last a very long time. 

Compare to CFS, I've been ill w/varying levels of functioning since 1983.  With

my PANDAS problems, I've been having strep problems (this time around) since

2003. 

Stopping, starting, or under-dosing (using maintenance doses instead of

treatment doses) of antivirals is worse than stopping & starting in a chronic

illness, because several of the viruses can build a resistance very quickly as

soon as you miss a few doses, and there aren't very many to choose from.  Same

with an antifungal.  We stay on those long term at higher doses as well,

cycling

them according to which kind, regularly to prevent resistance.

This is learned from some top AIDS researchers.  You don't let up on these

viruses.  And now as we wait for info on XMRV studies, what we've been doing

based on a paradigm is really starting to make even more sense.

HTH

________________________________

From: Dawn <oufan247@...>

" " < >

Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 8:41:58 PM

Subject: Re: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

 

I was surprised to see your son has been using antivirals for SO many years. Is

he unable to keep his titers down without them, or what is the reasoning behind

such prolonged use?

Thanks,

Dawn

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 4, 2011, at 7:14 PM, " Crosss " <crosswilsons@...> wrote:

Valacyclovir (Valtrex) and we can include Famcyclovir (FamVir) in this

discussion - both often prescribed by Dr Goldberg are more complex versions

of Acyclovir - they both pass through the gut into the bloodstream and are

metabolised in the liver to produce acyclovir.

Acyclovir (Zovirax) is metabolised more in the gut and a lot passes through

the system before reaching the bloodstream - that is why the doses are

higher and taken more often during the day - this is my rudimentary

understanding.

FamVir and Valtrex can cause spikes in liver enzyme levels, which is one

reason why Dr G routinely checks these in bloodwork. My son would not

tolerate Valtrex that well, but did so FamVir - which we have used for over

ten years, though we are now using Acyclovir for the second time - it seems

slightly more effective - its just a pain have to take it 5 x instead of 3x.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bill

klimas

Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 3:59 PM

Subject: Re: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

As far as my research Valtrex is a next generation of the same active

ingredient

as Acyclovir, We were on Valtrex but my son's tiers never came down until we

switched to Acyclovir. Taking it five times a day made the difference.

bill

________________________________

From: Buckley <stephaniejbuckley@...

<mailto:stephaniejbuckley%40hotmail.com> >

nids <mailto:nids%40> ;

neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance

<mailto:neuroimmune-xmrv-alliance%40>

Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 4:54:58 PM

Subject: Valtrex//Valacyclvir/Acyclovir

Hello,

Can someone please explain to me the difference in these anit-virals? My

boys

are on Valacyclovir and doing pretty good BUT I wonder if Valtrex itself or

Acyclovir would be better. My oldest gets cold sores and in the past has

been

given valtrex for an outbreak. It clears it up almost immediately however on

the Valacyclivir he still gets the cold sores...Is it not as strong?

Thanks,

Steph