Guest guest Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone has had healthy babies after having a child sick with autism. My son just turned 3 and was diagnosed with autism at 2. He regressed at 15 months. Before that time he was talking, imitating, did not have any sensory issues (that we could see), he was social and interactive and everything our children should be. At 15 months we slowly began to lose him to this disease and by 2 there was no denying a serious problem. They diagnosed him with autism and said there was nothing we could do for him. They said with therapy we will maybe be lucky to one day put him in a regular school but not to count on it. That did not sit well with me. How could he be born normal and get a life sentence like that. We found Dr. Goldberg and he has been under his care for about 7 months. We are very slowly getting our son back. His eye contact and joint attention have made leaps and bounds. He still has high sensory issues (constantly biting his finger) and is still non verbal although his attempts at using his voice are increasing, his ability to repeat a specific sound is non existent. He has severe apraxia but is trying very hard. We love him to death and enjoy him so much. We believe in our hearts he will get better and we are thinking of another baby. Dr. Goldberg has told us he has never had a child born to autism if he treats the mother while she is pregnant. I just wanted to know if anyone has been treated by Dr. Goldberg through an additional pregnancy and what that treatment entails and if indeed the baby was healthy. We would take 10 of my son, but I don't want to put another child through the struggles i see my son going through. He has an older sister who is healthy and we would love one more baby. Just wondering if anyone had some advice on this! Thanks,Nikki Burkhead From: <thecolemans4@...> Subject: Re: Re: Soy...a GM food Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 7:28 PM  (Geez- went back to the top to say - sorry - it's a long OCD post - feel free to skip it lol.) Dr G only worries from the effect he sees in the immune system from the labs. There are some things known to increase cytokines, and even if they don't seem to bother a kid, should be avoided (the milk, whole grains, nuts, red food coloring). But if certain parts of the immune panel, IgE and eosiniphils aren't elevated, he's not going to pick apart the diet nearly as intensly as if he sees certain things in labs. I don't know beyond the eosiniphils & IgE what he looks at, but I think he sees things in the immune panel sometimes that trigger him to get militant on the foods - but I think it's in combination with one of the other markers. He does say that 25-50% of the kids who are intolerant of milk (I think he said 25%) are also intolerant to soy, but that tends to be addressed when there are symptoms/behaviors rather than labs, I think - not sure. So you're lucky in that affect. We were lucky like that, in some ways. However, when it comes to soy proteins in my son (soybean oil is ok because it doesn't contain the protein), although it doesn't affect any labs in my son, it makes him psychotically mean. (Maybe psychotic is exagerating, but it doesn't feel like it in my home.) Soy lecithen, if consumed daily, will wreck our lives. It sneaks up on us, too. He'll seem fine just long enough for you to forget that you started let him eat a new food, then start self-restricting or obsessing on it until it becomes a daily food, all he wants to eat.  Then a few months down the road (only because I'm a real slow study in certain things like this in particular since food is so hard with his limited diet), I reach my breaking point with his smart hateful mouth, frequent physical & verbal attacks on his brother, verbal attacks on us, and overall inability to be happy in any way, shape, or form, that something snaps in me and I suddenly realize.... SOY! When I finally wake up (the stress of his attitude on soy does something to my brain and I shut down instead of problem solve) and smell the soy, and I pull it out, we can count exactly 5 days before we suddenly see the child we can actually like emerge. And 3-4 days (maybe a week) after that, he himself even stops hating us for forbidding the food because he finally accepts and acknowledges how much happier he is since he stopped it.  (But then, a few weeks later the irritability comes back, so I think he must start getting it again or another food replaces it and starts irritability - or we just lose the effect and he just regresses - I haven't figured that out yet because I haven't been keeping a food-log, which is just so important that I can't imagine why I don't do it!) But technically, he doesn't have an allergy to soy. However, he can eat dairy all the time and show no reaction to it.  I went thru a year w/out the protocol where I gave in to pressure from family, and I honestly can't tell that he's sensitive to it - but I keep it out because it specifically raises an immune response already overactive in autism as a natural effect, so I know it's not supposed to be there.  I let him have it on special occasions (parties, vacations where I can't get his specific foods, I'll allow pizza and ice cream), and I don't see anything from it - but I DO get harrassed endlessly for the next few months for it, so that sucks as bad as having a visible reaction. He's not " all clear " yet, and maybe it has some to do with my being less than perfect on the diet. Maybe not - but he is definitely better from the meds than he would have been - incredibly. Our main issues remain restricted interest (but not severe), not socially mobile at school (but plays 'ok' in many kinds of play w/friends in groups of 2-3, and he's prone to intense anger, and doesn't concentrate well at school. Now that I'm feeling better after a complete anxiety OCD meltdown freakout insanity crazy-train ride building over the last year (new antibiotic probably), I'm working much harder on the diet so I'll let you know what changes. But... soys baaaaaad news for us. If you don't have aggression, rage attacks, severe depression, inability to feel joy ... those are the kids that I see w/soy problems in the psych practices I've done chart studies on. That, or taking zytrec or allegra - usually both. In two practices I've worked, I've pulled charts for all of the kids labeled ODD (oppositional defiance disorder)... every last one took those allergy meds and well over half had mention of dairy allergy in their medical history. (I did an OCD study too, and every single one had a history of chronic strep or tonsillectomy mentioned in their medical history - gee - go figure that one.) So if you don't have those symptoms, and he's not growing breasts yet, then I wouldn't necessarily recommend worrying too much about it. But I've read so much negative about soy (unless it is fermented - that seems to disable the enzymes in it that supposedly interfere with digestion - I'm fascinated by the stuff the Weston Price group have to say about soy and why it might be evil) and it's affect on hormones and other things that I would still limit it. If it's easy enough to live without it, I'd dump it, but if it's a staple of your child's diet right now and that's what you need to feed him, I wouldn't add stress to my life if your child is doing well. I am so OCD and have such significant issues over food with severe anxiety over toxicity etc (at time), but I know it's OCD because I'll feed my kids while I'll refuse to eat. I cannot read things about food anymore. I believe a lot about what I read (Weston Price is very convincing and fascinating but we still can't do some of the things they suggest and enough people of kids with autism finally figured that out on their own despite their complete devotion to the paradigm), but I also have to trust that as our bodies get healthier by *treating infections*, they will be far less susceptible to the potential injuries of certain foods. Because I see extremely healthy active beautiful glowing energetic people eating all sorts of foods that would make Weston Price roll over in his grave. I've never been sicker in my life than in the years that I stricly followed all the healthiest whole food eating guidelines of organic whole food (before anyone discussed it everywhere). Never sicker, never had more pain in my body. I considered white bread and processed flour evil. I love a jar of wheat germ more than ice cream. (Ok yeah I'm wierd.) That healthy diet, the vitamins and supplements - especially all the Bvitamins, the local honey, fresh ground peanut butter - all the wonderful natural things I loved to death were killing me. (My mouth waters just thinking about it, and I think - well so what if my body hurts so much I limp and can't stand more than a minute - it's YUMMY!) Sorry about that long post! While my OCD is dramatically better, nothing will trigger it more than a food discussion regarding soy, or genetically modified foods. Healthy diet - quality food - wonderful goals (which I'm not meeting).  Cure for us: meds, immune modulators, finding the core problem. If all our kids will eat right now is a specific chicken nugget spiked with MSG and nitrates, and little else, we just can't worry about it today (unless they have migraines and are allergic to MSG). We can try after they get better, but not right now. If in a year or two, if the Whittemore institute says sorry, XMRV isn't causing neuro-immune disease like we suspected, then I may go militant on diet issues again. And then I might start obsessing and wondering .... gee, what if the retrovirus came from genetically engineered foods? ________________________________ From: melissamonogue <melissa@...> Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 2:47:55 PM Subject: Re: Soy...a GM food  Does anyone know what Dr. G's thoughts are on this? Just yesterday he was telling me MORE things to eliminate from my son's diet, but he's never seemed bothered by the soy... and we eat a lot of it... cheese, milk, ice cream. My son's allergy cells stay elevated, but he usually tells me the his diet doesn't really look problematic, so this makes me wonder. Not that I want to have to find a replacement, but it might be easier than all the other things we're trying to eliminate! Thanks, > > WOW!! > This completely makes sense to me! I have often wondered why it seems that >people have more allergies today.......compared to when I was growing up!!! > Thanks, Lori! > > - > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > Soy...a GM food > > Hi Listmates, > > > > > > Here is an interesting article that I just received that thought many of you > might find it of interest. Even if you (your family!) do not consume a lot > of soy, the hidden GMO's can cause apparently cause inflammatory/allergic > reactions. > > Dr. Oz also did a segment recently about " ensoy " products, but felt > that natural soy such as Edemame was okay, as long as it was organic, and > therefore non GM . > > > > HTH, > > Lori > > > > > > > > If you consume soy...think again. > > Genetically Engineered Soybeans May Cause Allergies By > > " I used to test for soy allergies all the time, but now that soy is > genetically engineered, it is so dangerous that I tell people never to eat > it-unless it says organic. " -Allergy specialist Boyles, MD > > Beginning in 1996, genes from bacteria and viruses have been forced into the > DNA of soy, corn, cotton, and canola plants, which are used for food. Ohio > allergist Boyles is one of a growing number of experts who believe that > these genetically modified (GM) foods are contributing to the huge jump in > food allergies in the US, especially among children. > > The UK is one of the few countries that conduct a yearly food allergy > evaluation. In March 1999, researchers at the York Laboratory were alarmed > to discover that reactions to soy had skyrocketed by 50% over the previous > year. > > Genetically modified soy had recently entered the UK from US imports and the > soy used in the study was largely GM. Graham, spokesman for the York > laboratory, said, " We believe this raises serious new questions about the > safety of GM foods. " > > > Genetic engineering may provoke allergies > > > There are many ways in which the process of genetic engineering may be > responsible for allergies. The classical understanding is that the imported > genes produce a new protein, which may trigger reactions. This was > demonstrated in the mid 1990s when soybeans were outfitted with a gene from > the Brazil nut. While scientists attempted to produce a healthier soybean, > they ended up with a potentially deadly one. Blood tests showed that people > allergic to Brazil nuts reacted to the beans. It was never marketed. > > The GM variety planted in 91% of US soy acres is called Roundup > Ready-engineered to survive otherwise deadly applications of Monsanto's > Roundup herbicide. The plants contain genes from bacteria, which produce a > protein that has never been part of the human food supply. Since people > aren't usually allergic to a food until they have eaten it several times, no > tests can prove in advance that the protein will not cause allergies. > > As a precaution, scientists compare this new protein with a database of > proteins known to cause allergies. According to criteria recommended by the > World Health Organization (WHO) and others, if the new GM protein contains > amino acid sequences that have been shown to trigger immune responses in > other proteins, the GM crop should not be commercialized (or additional > testing should be done). Sections of the protein produced in GM soy, > however, are identical to shrimp and dust mite allergens. But the soybean > got marketed anyway. > > Frighteningly, the only published human feeding study on GM foods ever > conducted verified that the gene inserted into GM soy transfers into the DNA > of our gut bacteria and continues to function. This means that years after > we stop eating GM soy, we may still have the potentially allergenic protein > continuously produced within our intestines. > > > Damaged soy DNA creates new (or more) allergens > > > The process of creating a GM crop produces massive collateral damage in the > plant's DNA. Native genes can be mutated, deleted, permanently turned on or > off, and hundreds may change their levels of protein expression. This can > increase existing allergen, or produce a new, unknown allergens. Both appear > to have happened in GM soy. > > Levels of one known soy allergen, trypsin inhibitor, were up to seven times > higher in cooked GM soy compared to cooked non-GM soy. Another study > discovered a unique, unexpected protein in GM soy, likely to trigger > allergies. > > In addition, of eight human subjects who had a skin-prick (allergy-type) > reaction to GM soy, one did not also react to non-GM soy, suggesting that GM > soy is uniquely dangerous. > > > Increased herbicides, digestive problems and allergies > > > Farmers use nearly double the amount of herbicide on GM soy compared to > non-GM soy; higher herbicide residues might cause reactions. > > GM soy reduces digestive enzymes in mice. If proteins " digest " slowly in > humans, there is more time for allergic reactions (possibly to many food > proteins). > > > Eating GM foods is gambling with our health > > > Documents made public from a lawsuit revealed that FDA scientists were > uniformly concerned that GM foods might create hard-to-detect allergies, > toxins, new diseases, and nutritional problems. Their urgent requests for > required long-term feeding studies fell on deaf ears. The FDA doesn't > require a single safety test. The person in charge of that FDA policy was > Monsanto's former attorney, who later became their vice president. > > Buying products that are organic or labeled non-GMO are two ways to limit > your family's risk. Another is to avoid products containing any ingredients > from the seven GM food crops: soy, corn, cottonseed, canola, Hawaiian > papaya, and a little bit of zucchini and crook neck squash. This means > avoiding soy lecithin in chocolate, corn syrup in candies, and cottonseed or > canola oil in snack foods. > > To learn more about the health dangers of GMOs, and what you can do to help > end the genetic engineering of our food supply, visit > <http://www.responsibletechnology.org/> www.ResponsibleTechnology.org. > > To learn how to choose healthier non-GMO brands, visit > <http://www.nongmoshoppingguide.com/> www.NonGMOShoppingGuide.com. > > International bestselling author and filmmaker is the leading > spokesperson on the health dangers of genetically modified (GM) foods. His > first book, <http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/Home/index.cfm> Seeds > of Deception, is the world's bestselling and #1 rated book on the topic. His > second, <http://www.geneticroulette.com/> Genetic Roulette: The Documented > Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods, provides overwhelming evidence > that GMOs are unsafe and should never have been introduced. Mr. is the > executive director of the > <http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/Home/index.cfm> Institute for > Responsible Technology, whose > <http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/CampaignforHealthierEatinginAme > rica/index.cfm> Campaign for Healthier Eating in America is designed to > create the tipping point of consumer rejection of GMOs, forcing them out of > our food supply. > > Take Action Now by visiting > <http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/Home/index.cfm> > http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/Home/index.cfm to join the > campaign and help raise awareness to the health risks GM food has on our > health and overall food supply. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Hi Nikki! You sound like such a loving and dedicated Mom you should have another baby if that is what you want! My second son was born the very same day my first son’s preschool teacher told me we should get his hearing checked because at age 2 years 4 months, he wasn’t answering his name. The whole diagnosis situation spiralled out of control so fast, I remember regretting having my second baby, a mere newborn, because I was so fearful that he was going to take me away from my first son, who when diagnosed at just under 3 years of age, needed me the most. A friend of mine, with a child in the spectrum told me that the baby was the greatest gift and the best therapy I could give my newly diagnosed first child. She was right. Because my first son met all his developmental milestones before he became ill when he gradually lost eye contact, stalled his language and became uncomfortable around his peers. I was so fearful this would happen to my second son that I lived in perpetual fright and sadly missed out on a lot of the fun of raising a second baby. Thankfully I found Dr. G and I am convinced his “strident” (great word Marcia, thank for me!!!) advice saved my second child from the same illness. He was colicy early on, always so mucousy – thick and green from his nose and had the same foul (really foul, abnormally so!!!) smelling bowel movements that I remembered from my first son, that I did not hesitate to put him on the diet at 15 months of age (when I finally found Dr. G!). I am convinced it helped him before he was pushed over the edge, so to speak. Today at age 9 he is fine, as is my first son, age 11 ½ , who although still struggles with food intolerances and a high IgE, is undetectable to anyone who meets him, has a best friend (aside from his brother!) is an A student, a talented musician, a funny and remarkable young man, growing and maturing so fast. The improved health of my boys gave me such tremendous confidence and with Dr. G’s advice, I went on to have a third baby 5 years ago. This time under Dr. G’s guidance of simply following the diet throughout my pregnancy, nursing and for the first 2 years of her life, my daughter is absolutely fine with no health or developmental issues, or even ANY food intolerance at all! At the time it was a huge decision and it was only with tremendous trust in Dr. G that I ventured into motherhood again and received the most beautiful gift in my daughter. I shutter to think where my life would be without her, if I hadn’t made that choice to trust and to believe that “Autism” is a medical condition and that by keeping my immune system and that of my baby’s “cool”, that my children would be healthy – physically, developmentally and because of my sanity, emotionally. I wish you all the best. You are doing the right thing for your son by having him a patient of Dr. G’s. Unless things have changed in the past 5 years, his treatment for his patients Mom’s wanting more, healthy children is all about diet, diet and diet!!! It was the easiest thing in the world to do as what mother wouldn’t move heaven and earth for a health baby!!!! Eating or not eating certain things…no problem! Warm regards, Lori _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Nikki Bork Sent: October-21-10 6:12 PM Subject: Baby after autism Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone has had healthy babies after having a child sick with autism. My son just turned 3 and was diagnosed with autism at 2. He regressed at 15 months. Before that time he was talking, imitating, did not have any sensory issues (that we could see), he was social and interactive and everything our children should be. At 15 months we slowly began to lose him to this disease and by 2 there was no denying a serious problem. They diagnosed him with autism and said there was nothing we could do for him. They said with therapy we will maybe be lucky to one day put him in a regular school but not to count on it. That did not sit well with me. How could he be born normal and get a life sentence like that. We found Dr. Goldberg and he has been under his care for about 7 months. We are very slowly getting our son back. His eye contact and joint attention have made leaps and bounds. He still has high sensory issues (constantly biting his finger) and is still non verbal although his attempts at using his voice are increasing, his ability to repeat a specific sound is non existent. He has severe apraxia but is trying very hard. We love him to death and enjoy him so much. We believe in our hearts he will get better and we are thinking of another baby. Dr. Goldberg has told us he has never had a child born to autism if he treats the mother while she is pregnant. I just wanted to know if anyone has been treated by Dr. Goldberg through an additional pregnancy and what that treatment entails and if indeed the baby was healthy. We would take 10 of my son, but I don't want to put another child through the struggles i see my son going through. He has an older sister who is healthy and we would love one more baby. Just wondering if anyone had some advice on this! Thanks,Nikki Burkhead From: <thecolemans4@... <mailto:thecolemans4%40> > Subject: Re: Re: Soy...a GM food <mailto:%40> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 7:28 PM (Geez- went back to the top to say - sorry - it's a long OCD post - feel free to skip it lol.) Dr G only worries from the effect he sees in the immune system from the labs. There are some things known to increase cytokines, and even if they don't seem to bother a kid, should be avoided (the milk, whole grains, nuts, red food coloring). But if certain parts of the immune panel, IgE and eosiniphils aren't elevated, he's not going to pick apart the diet nearly as intensly as if he sees certain things in labs. I don't know beyond the eosiniphils & IgE what he looks at, but I think he sees things in the immune panel sometimes that trigger him to get militant on the foods - but I think it's in combination with one of the other markers. He does say that 25-50% of the kids who are intolerant of milk (I think he said 25%) are also intolerant to soy, but that tends to be addressed when there are symptoms/behaviors rather than labs, I think - not sure. So you're lucky in that affect. We were lucky like that, in some ways. However, when it comes to soy proteins in my son (soybean oil is ok because it doesn't contain the protein), although it doesn't affect any labs in my son, it makes him psychotically mean. (Maybe psychotic is exagerating, but it doesn't feel like it in my home.) Soy lecithen, if consumed daily, will wreck our lives. It sneaks up on us, too. He'll seem fine just long enough for you to forget that you started let him eat a new food, then start self-restricting or obsessing on it until it becomes a daily food, all he wants to eat. Then a few months down the road (only because I'm a real slow study in certain things like this in particular since food is so hard with his limited diet), I reach my breaking point with his smart hateful mouth, frequent physical & verbal attacks on his brother, verbal attacks on us, and overall inability to be happy in any way, shape, or form, that something snaps in me and I suddenly realize.... SOY! When I finally wake up (the stress of his attitude on soy does something to my brain and I shut down instead of problem solve) and smell the soy, and I pull it out, we can count exactly 5 days before we suddenly see the child we can actually like emerge. And 3-4 days (maybe a week) after that, he himself even stops hating us for forbidding the food because he finally accepts and acknowledges how much happier he is since he stopped it. (But then, a few weeks later the irritability comes back, so I think he must start getting it again or another food replaces it and starts irritability - or we just lose the effect and he just regresses - I haven't figured that out yet because I haven't been keeping a food-log, which is just so important that I can't imagine why I don't do it!) But technically, he doesn't have an allergy to soy. However, he can eat dairy all the time and show no reaction to it. I went thru a year w/out the protocol where I gave in to pressure from family, and I honestly can't tell that he's sensitive to it - but I keep it out because it specifically raises an immune response already overactive in autism as a natural effect, so I know it's not supposed to be there. I let him have it on special occasions (parties, vacations where I can't get his specific foods, I'll allow pizza and ice cream), and I don't see anything from it - but I DO get harrassed endlessly for the next few months for it, so that sucks as bad as having a visible reaction. He's not " all clear " yet, and maybe it has some to do with my being less than perfect on the diet. Maybe not - but he is definitely better from the meds than he would have been - incredibly. Our main issues remain restricted interest (but not severe), not socially mobile at school (but plays 'ok' in many kinds of play w/friends in groups of 2-3, and he's prone to intense anger, and doesn't concentrate well at school. Now that I'm feeling better after a complete anxiety OCD meltdown freakout insanity crazy-train ride building over the last year (new antibiotic probably), I'm working much harder on the diet so I'll let you know what changes. But... soys baaaaaad news for us. If you don't have aggression, rage attacks, severe depression, inability to feel joy ... those are the kids that I see w/soy problems in the psych practices I've done chart studies on. That, or taking zytrec or allegra - usually both. In two practices I've worked, I've pulled charts for all of the kids labeled ODD (oppositional defiance disorder)... every last one took those allergy meds and well over half had mention of dairy allergy in their medical history. (I did an OCD study too, and every single one had a history of chronic strep or tonsillectomy mentioned in their medical history - gee - go figure that one.) So if you don't have those symptoms, and he's not growing breasts yet, then I wouldn't necessarily recommend worrying too much about it. But I've read so much negative about soy (unless it is fermented - that seems to disable the enzymes in it that supposedly interfere with digestion - I'm fascinated by the stuff the Weston Price group have to say about soy and why it might be evil) and it's affect on hormones and other things that I would still limit it. If it's easy enough to live without it, I'd dump it, but if it's a staple of your child's diet right now and that's what you need to feed him, I wouldn't add stress to my life if your child is doing well. I am so OCD and have such significant issues over food with severe anxiety over toxicity etc (at time), but I know it's OCD because I'll feed my kids while I'll refuse to eat. I cannot read things about food anymore. I believe a lot about what I read (Weston Price is very convincing and fascinating but we still can't do some of the things they suggest and enough people of kids with autism finally figured that out on their own despite their complete devotion to the paradigm), but I also have to trust that as our bodies get healthier by *treating infections*, they will be far less susceptible to the potential injuries of certain foods. Because I see extremely healthy active beautiful glowing energetic people eating all sorts of foods that would make Weston Price roll over in his grave. I've never been sicker in my life than in the years that I stricly followed all the healthiest whole food eating guidelines of organic whole food (before anyone discussed it everywhere). Never sicker, never had more pain in my body. I considered white bread and processed flour evil. I love a jar of wheat germ more than ice cream. (Ok yeah I'm wierd.) That healthy diet, the vitamins and supplements - especially all the Bvitamins, the local honey, fresh ground peanut butter - all the wonderful natural things I loved to death were killing me. (My mouth waters just thinking about it, and I think - well so what if my body hurts so much I limp and can't stand more than a minute - it's YUMMY!) Sorry about that long post! While my OCD is dramatically better, nothing will trigger it more than a food discussion regarding soy, or genetically modified foods. Healthy diet - quality food - wonderful goals (which I'm not meeting). Cure for us: meds, immune modulators, finding the core problem. If all our kids will eat right now is a specific chicken nugget spiked with MSG and nitrates, and little else, we just can't worry about it today (unless they have migraines and are allergic to MSG). We can try after they get better, but not right now. If in a year or two, if the Whittemore institute says sorry, XMRV isn't causing neuro-immune disease like we suspected, then I may go militant on diet issues again. And then I might start obsessing and wondering .... gee, what if the retrovirus came from genetically engineered foods? ________________________________ From: melissamonogue <melissa@... <mailto:melissa%40backporchcreative.com> > <mailto:%40> Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 2:47:55 PM Subject: Re: Soy...a GM food Does anyone know what Dr. G's thoughts are on this? Just yesterday he was telling me MORE things to eliminate from my son's diet, but he's never seemed bothered by the soy... and we eat a lot of it... cheese, milk, ice cream. My son's allergy cells stay elevated, but he usually tells me the his diet doesn't really look problematic, so this makes me wonder. Not that I want to have to find a replacement, but it might be easier than all the other things we're trying to eliminate! Thanks, > > WOW!! > This completely makes sense to me! I have often wondered why it seems that >people have more allergies today.......compared to when I was growing up!!! > Thanks, Lori! > > - > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > Soy...a GM food > > Hi Listmates, > > > > > > Here is an interesting article that I just received that thought many of you > might find it of interest. Even if you (your family!) do not consume a lot > of soy, the hidden GMO's can cause apparently cause inflammatory/allergic > reactions. > > Dr. Oz also did a segment recently about " ensoy " products, but felt > that natural soy such as Edemame was okay, as long as it was organic, and > therefore non GM . > > > > HTH, > > Lori > > > > > > > > If you consume soy...think again. > > Genetically Engineered Soybeans May Cause Allergies By > > " I used to test for soy allergies all the time, but now that soy is > genetically engineered, it is so dangerous that I tell people never to eat > it-unless it says organic. " -Allergy specialist Boyles, MD > > Beginning in 1996, genes from bacteria and viruses have been forced into the > DNA of soy, corn, cotton, and canola plants, which are used for food. Ohio > allergist Boyles is one of a growing number of experts who believe that > these genetically modified (GM) foods are contributing to the huge jump in > food allergies in the US, especially among children. > > The UK is one of the few countries that conduct a yearly food allergy > evaluation. In March 1999, researchers at the York Laboratory were alarmed > to discover that reactions to soy had skyrocketed by 50% over the previous > year. > > Genetically modified soy had recently entered the UK from US imports and the > soy used in the study was largely GM. Graham, spokesman for the York > laboratory, said, " We believe this raises serious new questions about the > safety of GM foods. " > > > Genetic engineering may provoke allergies > > > There are many ways in which the process of genetic engineering may be > responsible for allergies. The classical understanding is that the imported > genes produce a new protein, which may trigger reactions. This was > demonstrated in the mid 1990s when soybeans were outfitted with a gene from > the Brazil nut. While scientists attempted to produce a healthier soybean, > they ended up with a potentially deadly one. Blood tests showed that people > allergic to Brazil nuts reacted to the beans. It was never marketed. > > The GM variety planted in 91% of US soy acres is called Roundup > Ready-engineered to survive otherwise deadly applications of Monsanto's > Roundup herbicide. The plants contain genes from bacteria, which produce a > protein that has never been part of the human food supply. Since people > aren't usually allergic to a food until they have eaten it several times, no > tests can prove in advance that the protein will not cause allergies. > > As a precaution, scientists compare this new protein with a database of > proteins known to cause allergies. According to criteria recommended by the > World Health Organization (WHO) and others, if the new GM protein contains > amino acid sequences that have been shown to trigger immune responses in > other proteins, the GM crop should not be commercialized (or additional > testing should be done). Sections of the protein produced in GM soy, > however, are identical to shrimp and dust mite allergens. But the soybean > got marketed anyway. > > Frighteningly, the only published human feeding study on GM foods ever > conducted verified that the gene inserted into GM soy transfers into the DNA > of our gut bacteria and continues to function. This means that years after > we stop eating GM soy, we may still have the potentially allergenic protein > continuously produced within our intestines. > > > Damaged soy DNA creates new (or more) allergens > > > The process of creating a GM crop produces massive collateral damage in the > plant's DNA. Native genes can be mutated, deleted, permanently turned on or > off, and hundreds may change their levels of protein expression. This can > increase existing allergen, or produce a new, unknown allergens. Both appear > to have happened in GM soy. > > Levels of one known soy allergen, trypsin inhibitor, were up to seven times > higher in cooked GM soy compared to cooked non-GM soy. Another study > discovered a unique, unexpected protein in GM soy, likely to trigger > allergies. > > In addition, of eight human subjects who had a skin-prick (allergy-type) > reaction to GM soy, one did not also react to non-GM soy, suggesting that GM > soy is uniquely dangerous. > > > Increased herbicides, digestive problems and allergies > > > Farmers use nearly double the amount of herbicide on GM soy compared to > non-GM soy; higher herbicide residues might cause reactions. > > GM soy reduces digestive enzymes in mice. If proteins " digest " slowly in > humans, there is more time for allergic reactions (possibly to many food > proteins). > > > Eating GM foods is gambling with our health > > > Documents made public from a lawsuit revealed that FDA scientists were > uniformly concerned that GM foods might create hard-to-detect allergies, > toxins, new diseases, and nutritional problems. Their urgent requests for > required long-term feeding studies fell on deaf ears. The FDA doesn't > require a single safety test. The person in charge of that FDA policy was > Monsanto's former attorney, who later became their vice president. > > Buying products that are organic or labeled non-GMO are two ways to limit > your family's risk. Another is to avoid products containing any ingredients > from the seven GM food crops: soy, corn, cottonseed, canola, Hawaiian > papaya, and a little bit of zucchini and crook neck squash. This means > avoiding soy lecithin in chocolate, corn syrup in candies, and cottonseed or > canola oil in snack foods. > > To learn more about the health dangers of GMOs, and what you can do to help > end the genetic engineering of our food supply, visit > <http://www.responsibletechnology.org/> www.ResponsibleTechnology.org. > > To learn how to choose healthier non-GMO brands, visit > <http://www.nongmoshoppingguide.com/> www.NonGMOShoppingGuide.com. > > International bestselling author and filmmaker is the leading > spokesperson on the health dangers of genetically modified (GM) foods. His > first book, <http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/Home/index.cfm> Seeds > of Deception, is the world's bestselling and #1 rated book on the topic. His > second, <http://www.geneticroulette.com/> Genetic Roulette: The Documented > Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods, provides overwhelming evidence > that GMOs are unsafe and should never have been introduced. Mr. is the > executive director of the > <http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/Home/index.cfm> Institute for > Responsible Technology, whose > <http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/CampaignforHealthierEatinginAme > rica/index.cfm> Campaign for Healthier Eating in America is designed to > create the tipping point of consumer rejection of GMOs, forcing them out of > our food supply. > > Take Action Now by visiting > <http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/Home/index.cfm> > http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/Home/index.cfm to join the > campaign and help raise awareness to the health risks GM food has on our > health and overall food supply. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Nikki, My first born daughter developed autism, I had 2 more after that and they do not have autism, however, they are showing signs of illness. Food allergies, IBS, and other problems. I believe that our family has XMRV, myself included. I didn't vaccinate my 2nd and 3rd child because my 1st reacted so badly to hers. I don't think vaccines necessarily cause autism but I think they definitely contributed to my ASD daughter's illness. Something that helps my whole family is being on a GF/CF/Nut free diet. Those were our dietary triggers so we have to steer clear of them. I hope this helps. My daughter with ASD is doing so wonderful with Dr. . She has nearly recovered from autism. Although I would say its more like remission than recovery. -Jen > > > > > > WOW!! > > > This completely makes sense to me! I have often wondered why it seems that > > >people have more allergies today.......compared to when I was growing up!!! > > > Thanks, Lori! > > > > > > - > > > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > > > > > Soy...a GM food > > > > > > Hi Listmates, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an interesting article that I just received that thought many of you > > > might find it of interest. Even if you (your family!) do not consume a lot > > > of soy, the hidden GMO's can cause apparently cause inflammatory/allergic > > > reactions. > > > > > > Dr. Oz also did a segment recently about " ensoy " products, but felt > > > that natural soy such as Edemame was okay, as long as it was organic, and > > > therefore non GM . > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consume soy...think again. > > > > > > Genetically Engineered Soybeans May Cause Allergies By > > > > > > " I used to test for soy allergies all the time, but now that soy is > > > genetically engineered, it is so dangerous that I tell people never to eat > > > it-unless it says organic. " -Allergy specialist Boyles, MD > > > > > > Beginning in 1996, genes from bacteria and viruses have been forced into the > > > DNA of soy, corn, cotton, and canola plants, which are used for food. Ohio > > > allergist Boyles is one of a growing number of experts who believe that > > > these genetically modified (GM) foods are contributing to the huge jump in > > > food allergies in the US, especially among children. > > > > > > The UK is one of the few countries that conduct a yearly food allergy > > > evaluation. In March 1999, researchers at the York Laboratory were alarmed > > > to discover that reactions to soy had skyrocketed by 50% over the previous > > > year. > > > > > > Genetically modified soy had recently entered the UK from US imports and the > > > soy used in the study was largely GM. Graham, spokesman for the York > > > laboratory, said, " We believe this raises serious new questions about the > > > safety of GM foods. " > > > > > > > > > Genetic engineering may provoke allergies > > > > > > > > > There are many ways in which the process of genetic engineering may be > > > responsible for allergies. The classical understanding is that the imported > > > genes produce a new protein, which may trigger reactions. This was > > > demonstrated in the mid 1990s when soybeans were outfitted with a gene from > > > the Brazil nut. While scientists attempted to produce a healthier soybean, > > > they ended up with a potentially deadly one. Blood tests showed that people > > > allergic to Brazil nuts reacted to the beans. It was never marketed. > > > > > > The GM variety planted in 91% of US soy acres is called Roundup > > > Ready-engineered to survive otherwise deadly applications of Monsanto's > > > Roundup herbicide. The plants contain genes from bacteria, which produce a > > > protein that has never been part of the human food supply. Since people > > > aren't usually allergic to a food until they have eaten it several times, no > > > tests can prove in advance that the protein will not cause allergies. > > > > > > As a precaution, scientists compare this new protein with a database of > > > proteins known to cause allergies. According to criteria recommended by the > > > World Health Organization (WHO) and others, if the new GM protein contains > > > amino acid sequences that have been shown to trigger immune responses in > > > other proteins, the GM crop should not be commercialized (or additional > > > testing should be done). Sections of the protein produced in GM soy, > > > however, are identical to shrimp and dust mite allergens. But the soybean > > > got marketed anyway. > > > > > > Frighteningly, the only published human feeding study on GM foods ever > > > conducted verified that the gene inserted into GM soy transfers into the DNA > > > of our gut bacteria and continues to function. This means that years after > > > we stop eating GM soy, we may still have the potentially allergenic protein > > > continuously produced within our intestines. > > > > > > > > > Damaged soy DNA creates new (or more) allergens > > > > > > > > > The process of creating a GM crop produces massive collateral damage in the > > > plant's DNA. Native genes can be mutated, deleted, permanently turned on or > > > off, and hundreds may change their levels of protein expression. This can > > > increase existing allergen, or produce a new, unknown allergens. Both appear > > > to have happened in GM soy. > > > > > > Levels of one known soy allergen, trypsin inhibitor, were up to seven times > > > higher in cooked GM soy compared to cooked non-GM soy. Another study > > > discovered a unique, unexpected protein in GM soy, likely to trigger > > > allergies. > > > > > > In addition, of eight human subjects who had a skin-prick (allergy-type) > > > reaction to GM soy, one did not also react to non-GM soy, suggesting that GM > > > soy is uniquely dangerous. > > > > > > > > > Increased herbicides, digestive problems and allergies > > > > > > > > > Farmers use nearly double the amount of herbicide on GM soy compared to > > > non-GM soy; higher herbicide residues might cause reactions. > > > > > > GM soy reduces digestive enzymes in mice. If proteins " digest " slowly in > > > humans, there is more time for allergic reactions (possibly to many food > > > proteins). > > > > > > > > > Eating GM foods is gambling with our health > > > > > > > > > Documents made public from a lawsuit revealed that FDA scientists were > > > uniformly concerned that GM foods might create hard-to-detect allergies, > > > toxins, new diseases, and nutritional problems. Their urgent requests for > > > required long-term feeding studies fell on deaf ears. The FDA doesn't > > > require a single safety test. The person in charge of that FDA policy was > > > Monsanto's former attorney, who later became their vice president. > > > > > > Buying products that are organic or labeled non-GMO are two ways to limit > > > your family's risk. Another is to avoid products containing any ingredients > > > from the seven GM food crops: soy, corn, cottonseed, canola, Hawaiian > > > papaya, and a little bit of zucchini and crook neck squash. This means > > > avoiding soy lecithin in chocolate, corn syrup in candies, and cottonseed or > > > canola oil in snack foods. > > > > > > To learn more about the health dangers of GMOs, and what you can do to help > > > end the genetic engineering of our food supply, visit > > > <http://www.responsibletechnology.org/> www.ResponsibleTechnology.org. > > > > > > To learn how to choose healthier non-GMO brands, visit > > > <http://www.nongmoshoppingguide.com/> www.NonGMOShoppingGuide.com. > > > > > > International bestselling author and filmmaker is the leading > > > spokesperson on the health dangers of genetically modified (GM) foods. His > > > first book, <http://www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/Home/index.cfm> Seeds > > > of Deception, is the world's bestselling and #1 rated book on the topic. His > > > second, <http://www.geneticroulette.com/> Genetic Roulette: The Documented > > > Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods, provides overwhelming evidence > > > that GMOs are unsafe and should never have been introduced. Mr. is the > > > executive director of the > > > <http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/Home/index.cfm> Institute for > > > Responsible Technology, whose > > > <http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/CampaignforHealthierEatinginAme > > > rica/index.cfm> Campaign for Healthier Eating in America is designed to > > > create the tipping point of consumer rejection of GMOs, forcing them out of > > > our food supply. > > > > > > Take Action Now by visiting > > > <http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/Home/index.cfm> > > > http://www.responsibletechnology.org/GMFree/Home/index.cfm to join the > > > campaign and help raise awareness to the health risks GM food has on our > > > health and overall food supply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I've had two typical kids, a boy and a girl, after my oldest son, who was a patient of Dr. Goldberg for seven years. (Because I know poeple will ask: My oldest is now 12 and he is not recovered but significantly better and continuing to improve. We were with Dr. G from the time he was 4-11 years old. We quit medical treatment mainly because of financial reasons. I used to be very active on this list, but when we stopped treatment I switched from individual e-mails to getting the " daily digest " to help simplify things a bit. I skim over the e-mail titles and only read the topics I think I can help with or are of interest to me.) My other kids are an almost five year old boy and a just turned two year old girl. Dr. G never " treated " me while pregnant (we live out of state) but I followed his pregnancy/newborn advice. Basically, it's you being on the diet while pregnant/breastfeeding and keeping the siblings on the diet until 2-3 years old. Then, using an alternative vaccine schedule for the infants. I'll go ahead a copy the following from an older post, with some updated info on the kids. Vaccines: You opt out of the Hepatitis B vaccine (the hospital didn't push it for us since my oldest son reacted to it) and chicken pox. Otherwise, you split up the other vaccines, giving DTP and polio when you go in for the 2, 4, and 6 month check-ups, and then come in on the " odd " months (3, 5, and 7) for the HiB and pneumococcal. Our local doctor has been willing to work with us this way. Any GOOD doctor would be willing to side with caution, and the parents, in my opinion. I was able to breastfeed my second son for two years. (My oldest had a low sucking reflex and never learned to latch on properly). Younger brother has taken medication 5-6 times times for illness/infection in his life, compared to my oldest who was being treated for an ear infection at least every other month his first year. He's never had sleep/night screaming issues or any of the other issues my oldest had during his first few years. He's a happy, healthy, imaginative chatterbox. He has been the BEST therapy for his brother. They tickle each other, roll on the floor together, play ball, and play board/card games (with adult help). My daughter is developing wonderfully. She nursed almost two years, has only been sick/on medication 2 times, and hasn't had colic or trouble sleeping at night. She's speaking a couple hundred words and in full sentences. Oldest brother is even sweeter with her than he is with his brother--he instigates games like peek-a-boo and hide-and-go-seek with her. And keeps her out of trouble when she starts to get into something she shouldn't. Again, siblings make great therapist for the /ASD kids. I believe that everything happens for a reason. After learning about , ASD, family medical history, etc I did what I could to prevent illness with my other kids while praying for the best. I wouldn't have held it against Dr. G if something did happen with my other kids because in the grand scheme of things because I know the Lord won't hand me more than I can manage. Hope this is helpful/reassuring. - in Mobile, AL ______________________________________ " You must write for children in the same way as you do for adults, only better. " -Maxim Gorky (Aleksey Maksimovich Peshkov) " Don't ask who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lamb he's digested, and I've been reading all my life. " -Giorgos Seferis (Greek Poet) Reality lies beyond the horizon... Wonderwegian www.wonderwegian.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 , Thank you for taking the time to write this. I found it very helpful. And you are right on the mark about the grand scheme of things. It is so difficult to keep this perspective when you are in the middle of the more difficult times. I am curious to know how you went about discontinuing treatment. Did Dr. G help with that? Is your son still on medications and the diet? I have noticed that others on this list have continued somewhat through their own local doctors. Are you attempting this? We are not going to stop the protocol. We believe it is our best option right now. And our son has a long way to go. But I am always curious to know what others with older children do once they let go. And I would even more like to know how many children are recovered after . Thanks again for your insights. Gratefully, Martha On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:22 PM, C. - Wonderwegian <carriecox@... > wrote: > > > > I've had two typical kids, a boy and a girl, after my oldest son, who was a > patient of Dr. Goldberg for seven years. > > (Because I know poeple will ask: > My oldest is now 12 and he is not recovered but significantly better and > continuing to improve. We were with Dr. G from the time he was 4-11 years > old. We quit medical treatment mainly because of financial reasons. I used > to be very active on this list, but when we stopped treatment I switched > from individual e-mails to getting the " daily digest " to help simplify > things a bit. I skim over the e-mail titles and only read the topics I think > I can help with or are of interest to me.) > > My other kids are an almost five year old boy and a just turned two year > old girl. Dr. G never " treated " me while pregnant (we live out of state) but > I followed his pregnancy/newborn advice. Basically, it's you being on the > diet while pregnant/breastfeeding and keeping the siblings on the > diet until 2-3 years old. > Then, using an alternative vaccine schedule for the infants. > > I'll go ahead a copy the following from an older post, with some updated > info on the kids. > > Vaccines: > You opt out of the Hepatitis B vaccine (the hospital didn't push it for us > since my oldest son reacted to it) and chicken > pox. Otherwise, you split up the other vaccines, giving DTP and polio when > you > go in for the 2, 4, and 6 month check-ups, and then come in on the " odd " > months > (3, 5, and 7) for the HiB and pneumococcal. Our local doctor has been > willing > to work with us this way. Any GOOD doctor would be willing to side with > caution, and the parents, in my > opinion. > > I was able to breastfeed my second son for two years. (My oldest had a low > sucking reflex and never learned to latch on properly). Younger brother has > taken medication 5-6 times times for illness/infection in his life, > compared to > my oldest who was being treated for an ear infection at least every other > month > his first year. He's never had sleep/night screaming issues or any of the > other > issues my oldest had during his first few years. He's a happy, healthy, > imaginative > chatterbox. He has been the BEST therapy for his brother. They tickle each > other, roll on the > floor together, play ball, and play board/card games (with adult help). > > My daughter is developing wonderfully. She nursed almost two years, has > only been > sick/on medication 2 times, and hasn't had colic or trouble sleeping at > night. > She's speaking a couple hundred words and in full sentences. Oldest brother > is even > sweeter with her than he is with his brother--he instigates games like > peek-a-boo and hide-and-go-seek with her. And keeps her out of trouble when > she > starts to get into something she shouldn't. Again, siblings make great > therapist > for the /ASD kids. > > I believe that everything happens for a reason. > After learning about , ASD, family medical history, etc I did what I > could to prevent illness with my other kids while praying for the best. > I wouldn't have held it against Dr. G if something did happen with my other > kids because in the grand scheme of things because I know the Lord won't > hand me more than I can manage. > > Hope this is helpful/reassuring. > - in Mobile, AL > > ______________________________________ > > " You must write for children in the same way as you do for adults, only > better. " -Maxim Gorky (Aleksey Maksimovich Peshkov) > > " Don't ask who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lamb he's > digested, and I've been reading all my life. " -Giorgos Seferis (Greek Poet) > > Reality lies beyond the horizon... Wonderwegian > > www.wonderwegian.blogspot.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 No, Dr. G didn't help with the transition. I let the antifungal run out--we'd quit anti-fungals cold turkey before, under Dr. G's orders. I got advice from another parent about weaning off the anti-viral, so we did that slowly. Our local pediatrician is giving us the RX for his Zoloft, and he's on the same OTC allergy med he was on before. I've relax the diet a little and have not seen any issues. Strangely, within a few weeks after stopping the medications he started trying new foods, including GREEN things, which he hadn't eaten since he was 1-2 years old. He's still majorly picky, though. I will say that his labs were good/steady about a year before we quit, that his HHV-6 levels that were sky high at the beginning were hovering at the high end of normal and his allergy markers were usually good. I don't regret our time/money/etc we invested in /Dr. G. I know we wouldn't be where we are today without it. We are still seeing slow, steady progress. It used to be a feat to get him to stay on task for 5 minutes. I'm homeschooling him this year for the first time and have seen him focus on worksheets for up to an hour and a half at a time. He's running about 3 grade levels behind, reading comprehension is the lowest point. He's verbal, but 80% of is language is scripting. But he does use lines from movies in amazingly appropriate situations at times. A few of the highlights: While I was pregnant, I told him we were going to the baby store (Babies R Us). Thinking we were going to pick out the baby, he told me " Remember, I want a little brother, not a big brother. " - from Stuart Little. When he was in trouble, and I was loudly threatening time out/etc he said " Please, I can't stand any more violence! " in Wilbur's voice from the animated Charolette's Web movie. I couldn't help but bust out laughing, anger over whatever it was faded away. Our almost 5 year old is noticing the differences in his brother, and helping me see what we can work on. He's become annoyed with the scripting and tells him " No more movie talk " or tattles to me about it when he's in the other room. He thinks Sesame Street is for " big kids " because the oldest loves it, and refuses to watch it. Those little things I've become accustomed to, that I tend to over look/tune out. Bitter sweet for sure! - ______________________________________ " You must write for children in the same way as you do for adults, only better. " -Maxim Gorky (Aleksey Maksimovich Peshkov) " Don't ask who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lamb he's digested, and I've been reading all my life. " -Giorgos Seferis (Greek Poet) Reality lies beyond the horizon... Wonderwegian www.wonderwegian.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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