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What is the cause(s) and sympton(s) of T4 to T3

conversion? Is it important or is it a minor issue?

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> I would hope you will be above 500.

>

> Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

> You know, when I was doing monthly shots

> (won't go there again), I'd have my blood drawn for

> a T check prior to the injection. My last score was

> about 245 and that's not worth bragging about.

>

> But now I'm on the Indoplex, taking Zinc and Copper

> and 100mg Test Cyp a week, I'm curious how much more

> improved my T scores are going to be now?

>

> I'm willing to entertain your best guesses. I

> suppose in the end it's how your quality of life is

> improved but I'm looking forward to one day putting

> up a good number around 400 - 500.

>

> philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> No best to get your blood test on the day of your

> shot just do the blood work first. You need to know

> how low you go down going to low is what makes us

> feel like crap.

>

> gettin_older <gettin_older@...> wrote: How

> many days after my T shot should I get my levels

> checked? I

> normally get my shot on Tuesday and was thinking

> that Sat a.m. would be

> a good mid-week time for testing; is my thinking

> flawed?

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Here read this site your question would take as long to type as it would if you

read about it.

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Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote:

What is the cause(s) and sympton(s) of T4 to T3

conversion? Is it important or is it a minor issue?

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> I would hope you will be above 500.

>

> Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

> You know, when I was doing monthly shots

> (won't go there again), I'd have my blood drawn for

> a T check prior to the injection. My last score was

> about 245 and that's not worth bragging about.

>

> But now I'm on the Indoplex, taking Zinc and Copper

> and 100mg Test Cyp a week, I'm curious how much more

> improved my T scores are going to be now?

>

> I'm willing to entertain your best guesses. I

> suppose in the end it's how your quality of life is

> improved but I'm looking forward to one day putting

> up a good number around 400 - 500.

>

> philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> No best to get your blood test on the day of your

> shot just do the blood work first. You need to know

> how low you go down going to low is what makes us

> feel like crap.

>

> gettin_older <gettin_older@...> wrote: How

> many days after my T shot should I get my levels

> checked? I

> normally get my shot on Tuesday and was thinking

> that Sat a.m. would be

> a good mid-week time for testing; is my thinking

> flawed?

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and

> only half of what you see. "

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never heard of it but that may mean nothing

Manterno Salerno <brownsaucylicious@...> wrote: What is the

cause(s) and sympton(s) of T4 to T3

conversion? Is it important or is it a minor issue?

--- philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> I would hope you will be above 500.

>

> Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

> You know, when I was doing monthly shots

> (won't go there again), I'd have my blood drawn for

> a T check prior to the injection. My last score was

> about 245 and that's not worth bragging about.

>

> But now I'm on the Indoplex, taking Zinc and Copper

> and 100mg Test Cyp a week, I'm curious how much more

> improved my T scores are going to be now?

>

> I'm willing to entertain your best guesses. I

> suppose in the end it's how your quality of life is

> improved but I'm looking forward to one day putting

> up a good number around 400 - 500.

>

> philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> No best to get your blood test on the day of your

> shot just do the blood work first. You need to know

> how low you go down going to low is what makes us

> feel like crap.

>

> gettin_older <gettin_older@...> wrote: How

> many days after my T shot should I get my levels

> checked? I

> normally get my shot on Tuesday and was thinking

> that Sat a.m. would be

> a good mid-week time for testing; is my thinking

> flawed?

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and

> only half of what you see. "

> Phil

>

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Hi - I would wager the reason is ignorance and idiocy.

I saw the premier vaginitis specialist and they told me I was fine. The

internist reaction to my comment that maybe I have candida was - naaaww, I

doubt that very much. (end of story). Same thing with Penn reproductive

health. same story - different doctor.

That was last year - I had been suffering at that point for a year (2

total). I have not had a beneficial experience with the conventional doctor

in many years.

But I too am curious to see what Bee says -I think its that there is no

effective way to test for candida - only the byproducts and toxins from it.

And that's if you have a doctor that knows anything about it in the first

place.

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:22 PM, <morganna_lefay2000@...> wrote:

> I just got my blood and urine tests back and they tell me I am fine,

> whis is this, why do tests come back as " fine " and yet I still have

> symptoms?

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Hi ,

All of my blood work was also find, forget the fact that

my fingers were always numb, had tinggling on my face, had brain fog

and memroy loss, fatigue and was dizzy for many months. I was

told by docotors that it was all in my head. This was ten years ago,

then I became functional until Nov of last year and once again the

blood work was fine.

We are blessed that we found this program.

edie

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12 Jun 2008 19:22:03 +0000Subject: [ ] Blood Tests

I just got my blood and urine tests back and they tell me I am fine, whis is

this, why do tests come back as " fine " and yet I still have symptoms?

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I searched for 3 years going from doctor to doctor, blood test to

ultrasound to more blood tests, each time being told I was " fine " .

And yet I had weight problems, skin problems, constant fatigue,

aches, pains, poor immunity and the list goes on as Im sure you can

relate!

I ALMOST gave up and accepted this was my life because the doctors

said I was fine but my Naturopath put me on the right path and then

Bee's program has been a God-send.

Long story short: Only you know if you are really " fine " or not! No

one knows your body better than you - despite their best intentions.

Also as Bee says, there is no accurate blood test for candida.

The best way to realise you are not well is to get on this program

and see how much more " fine " you can feel !

All the best in healing! :)

Amber

>

> I just got my blood and urine tests back and they tell me I am

fine,

> whis is this, why do tests come back as " fine " and yet I still have

> symptoms?

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> I just got my blood and urine tests back and they tell me I am

fine,

> whis is this, why do tests come back as " fine " and yet I still have

> symptoms?

==>Hi . That is because candida and other toxins are causing

symptoms, along with the lack of nutrients. As your body heals you

will experience healing/die-off/detoxifying reactions (all the same

thing really) which are called Herxheimer Reactions. This is normal

during naturally healing.

Also while healing naturally your body will retrace previous

illnesses, symptoms, diseases, injuries, etc. per Hering's Law of

Cures. The body does this in order to detoxify an area and rebuild

it. This occurs most often with symptoms that were suppressed by

drugs or overtreatment when they first occurred.

To understand more about symptoms during healing see these articles:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu1_2.php

Healing isn't a steady uphill climb towards health where you feel

better and better everyday until you are well. It has its ups and

downs. As the body gets stronger it will go into different areas and

work on them. As you continue on the program your bad days will

decrease and your good days will increase. Keeping a daily journal

or diary helps, because you can actually look back and see how far

you've progressed.

The best, Bee

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>

> Hello Bee.

>

> I hope you had a nice weekend. Here the weather is very hot so I went

swimming. It was really good!

>

> My die off is minimized (just loose stools and some fatigue now and then), I

am 100% on the diet + co + oil of oregano. I am improving in every aspect of my

life, though I still have oral thrush and a huge terrible looking eczema on my

hand. Right now these 2 are the only signs of my candida. My weight, my energy,

my mind, my nails, my hair and my sleep are optimal and all these thanks to u!

>

> Well here is my question. I would like to repeat my thyroid test (my thyroid

antibodies were extremely high last time) and my cholesterol test (I had

extremely low cholesterol). All my other tests were good.

>

> The reason I want to repeat the tests is not because I am anxious but just

because I would like to see if there is any progress in these 2 (thyroid

antibodies and cholesterol).

>

> My last tests were 5 months ago. I 've been on your diet for 4 months. Do you

think I should wait more?

+++Hi Marisa. You can get tested now if you wish. Let me know your test

results, okay?

The best, Bee

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I am on azathioprine, (which is a similar-type drug) for my AIH and I get

blood count every 6 months. I have been on it for several years now.

Hope that is helpful

dx 2001

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:00 AM, mislyn2u <mislyn2u@...> wrote:

>

>

> If you have AI Liver disease and are on Mercaptopurine, how often should

> you have your blood tested for white count levels? I would like to know the

> frequency people in this group are experiencing, not what is recommended.

> Thanks Lynn

>

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Blood tests are not accurate because mercury from sources such as dental

amalgams pass through the blood so rapidly, and on average are distributed

throughout the body and into some tissue, especially organs like the heart,

liver, kidneys that get lots of blood, on average within 10 seconds. So blood

tests only measure acute mercury exposures. www.flcv.com/damspr17.html

Likewise hair tests are not accurate for mercury body burden, since they measure

primarily methyl mercury and those who have blood allele types that don't

excrete mercury and toxic metals have high body burdens but very low hair

levels. But mercury changes cell membrane permeability and blocks absorption of

minerals, so the pattern of essential minerals gives an indication of mercury

toxicity.

BW

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When I asked about blood tests, I wasn't referring to having them done as an

assessment of heavy metal toxicity (I know hair is the preferred way), but

whether they are necessary during chelation to assess possible damage being

done. I've seen people mention getting RBC, etc, measured. That's what I was

wanting to know about - are those blood tests necessary if you follow Andy's

list of supplements to use? When we get our hair tests done, I will post them

here before we start chelating. I'm just really hoping we can safely do all

this without messing with a Dr. at all.

Thanks,

>

> Blood tests are not accurate because mercury from sources such as dental

amalgams pass through the blood so rapidly, and on average are distributed

throughout the body and into some tissue, especially organs like the heart,

liver, kidneys that get lots of blood, on average within 10 seconds. So blood

tests only measure acute mercury exposures. www.flcv.com/damspr17.html

> Likewise hair tests are not accurate for mercury body burden, since they

measure primarily methyl mercury and those who have blood allele types that

don't excrete mercury and toxic metals have high body burdens but very low hair

levels. But mercury changes cell membrane permeability and blocks absorption of

minerals, so the pattern of essential minerals gives an indication of mercury

toxicity.

> BW

>

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> When I asked about blood tests, I wasn't referring to having them done as an

assessment of heavy metal toxicity (I know hair is the preferred way), but

whether they are necessary during chelation to assess possible damage being

done.

Only if you're doing dangerous, harmful and inappropriate things like following

one of the random chelation protocols that various doctors interpret as the

" DAN! protocol. "

>I've seen people mention getting RBC, etc, measured. That's what I was wanting

to know about - are those blood tests necessary if you follow Andy's list of

supplements to use? When we get our hair tests done, I will post them here

before we start chelating. I'm just really hoping we can safely do all this

without messing with a Dr. at all.

> Thanks,

>

Tests are necessary when medically indicated to figure out what is wrong when

something bad is happening and the doctor can't be sure what it is based on

symptoms.

For chelation itself, done properly, there is no specific need for tracking

tests or other routine testing as a general rule. There may be RARE specific

and individual instances where it makes some sense. RARE as in if the doctor

says you need to do it, you should be the only one in their practice.

Andy

<a href= " http://www.noamalgam.com/index.html " >Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and

Treatment</a >

<a href= " http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html " >Hair Test Interpretation:

Finding Hidden Toxicities</a >

<a href= " http://www.noamalgam.com/nourishinghope.html " >Nourishing Hope for

Autism: Nutrition Intervention for Healing Our Children</a >

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Hi Everyone,

We will be travelling from Melbourne, Australia to see Dr Goldberg with my 2.75

year old non-verbal autistic twin daughters in the near future. However, I'm

having trouble finding the right pathology lab which perform the following blood

tests as listed on Dr Goldberg's website.

The Most Important Test:

CBC

Sedimentation Rate

CMV IGG / IGM (if IGG Positive)

ANA Titer

EBV IGG / IGM (if IGG Positive)

Hypothyroid Panel

Ferritin Level

Optional / Userful

Thyroid Antibodies

Herpes I & II IGG / IGM

Rubella IGG Titer

sakie Virus A & B

Immune Panel (to include)

Total & Percent CD4

Total & Percent CD8

Total & Percent CD16 / CD56

Total & Percent CD19

Lead Level

Vitamin B-12 Level

Folic Acid

Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

SGOT / SGPT

Lipid Panel

Candida Titer (IGG, IGA, IGM (Immunodiagnostic Labs (800-888-1113)

HHV6 Titer (Immunodistic Labs)

Quantatative Immunoglobulins (IGG, IGA, IGM, IGE)

Gliadin Antibodies

Alpha Interferon

Allergy Food Screen (95 foods) (Meridian Valley Lab (253-859-8700)

Some of these labs do not know what 'hypothyroid panel' is and tests such as

CD16,CD56, CD19. Does anyone know who/where i can contact to be connected to the

right people/lab who has performed these tests? Even if it means travelling to a

different country/city to perform these tests?

Many thanks,

Stefanie

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