Guest guest Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Susie Have you tried seeing a chiropractor a few times.? One thing muscle spasms do is to pull vertebrae out of alignment and that then sets off more spasms as the muscles on one side are stretched and the other side too loose , so the muscles fight each other and end up putting a vertebrae out even more.Continued back spasms where you have them is likely in ter rhomboid muscles or the upper/mid trapezius When I use the tennis ball trick I place two tennis balls inside a long athletic tube suck ( usually found in the men's section of a store) This allows you to hold both ends of the sock in the hands and move the balls to the position you need it..Another one of my sock tricks is to fill a sock with uncooked rice or beans and tie off the open end and put this is the microwave for 3 minutes.It acts as a moist heat pac and will help loosen the muscles, its flexible and can wrap around joints too.jan2a. Re: Back spasms -Susie (was) Malic Acid supplements Posted by: "jimjax2" jimjax2@... jimjax2 Date: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:41 pm ((PDT))I really feel for you Susie,I had this in one shoulder blade and it was agonizing... Ask your doctor for a muscle relaxer, this may help.. Flexeril and Soma are two I know of... I would take extra magnesium and Vitamin E, but I am not sure if they will work for this as it is more like a nerve being pinched... Take care,Jim> >> > is it the top odf the back or the low part of the back ?> > Kindly Marie> > > > > > ________________________________> > From: tim2buk <tim2buk@>> > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:46 AM> > Subject: Re: Back spasms -Susie (was) Malic Acid supplements> > > > > > Â > > Jim,> > > > Good to hear your computer problems are fixed. > > > > I didn't know vit e is good for spasms. I currently take 400 daily, but can try taking 800 daily again to see what happens, but I used to take that amount & always had trouble with these triggerpoints. I will never get another shot in my back for them though. I had too many shots over the years & never once did they help, only made me worse. Lesson learned about that. I used to use the tennis ball against the wall, but it slid around too much. Taping it to a board wouldn't help because when I use a ball against the wall, I need it to be able to roll where I want it, but not slip away. The high bounce ball works perfect in that aspect because it sticks to the wall enough to be able to maneuver it where I want. > > > > The problem with triggerpoints is that there are SO many perpetuating factors that could cause them, that it is like looking for a needle in a haystack. In over 20 + years I still have not found out what is causing them & I guess I never will. I just use the ball when they become unbearable. But thanks for your comments anyway.> > > > Susie "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fullerhttp://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Suzie when I had my frozen shouler what helped was ozonated oil on the skin a little bit neem oil a little bit did you try DMSO On the skin ? this works now when I have a neck pain or a back pain the venon ointment doe ssomething too but the top of the top tha thealed me for good in one week where everything had failed is canabis I went in SWitzerland to be legal and it fixed me quicly welldone I do nto know where it is legal in USA hope you find a way Suzie To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:05 AMSubject: Re: Back spasms -Susie Susie Have you tried seeing a chiropractor a few times.? One thing muscle spasms do is to pull vertebrae out of alignment and that then sets off more spasms as the muscles on one side are stretched and the other side too loose , so the muscles fight each other and end up putting a vertebrae out even more.Continued back spasms where you have them is likely in ter rhomboid muscles or the upper/mid trapezius When I use the tennis ball trick I place two tennis balls inside a long athletic tube suck ( usually found in the men's section of a store) This allows you to hold both ends of the sock in the hands and move the balls to the position you need it..Another one of my sock tricks is to fill a sock with uncooked rice or beans and tie off the open end and put this is the microwave for 3 minutes.It acts as a moist heat pac and will help loosen the muscles, its flexible and can wrap around joints too. jan 2a. Re: Back spasms -Susie (was) Malic Acid supplements Posted by: "jimjax2" jimjax2@... jimjax2 Date: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:41 pm ((PDT))I really feel for you Susie,I had this in one shoulder blade and it was agonizing... Ask your doctor for a muscle relaxer, this may help.. Flexeril and Soma are two I know of... I would take extra magnesium and Vitamin E, but I am not sure if they will work for this as it is more like a nerve being pinched... Take care,Jim> >> > is it the top odf the back or the low part of the back ?> > Kindly Marie> > > > > > ________________________________> > From: tim2buk <tim2buk@>> > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:46 AM> > Subject: Re: Back spasms -Susie (was) Malic Acid supplements> > > > > > Â > > Jim,> > > > Good to hear your computer problems are fixed. > > > > I didn't know vit e is good for spasms. I currently take 400 daily, but can try taking 800 daily again to see what happens, but I used to take that amount & always had trouble with these triggerpoints. I will never get another shot in my back for them though. I had too many shots over the years & never once did they help, only made me worse. Lesson learned about that. I used to use the tennis ball against the wall, but it slid around too much. Taping it to a board wouldn't help because when I use a ball against the wall, I need it to be able to roll where I want it, but not slip away. The high bounce ball works perfect in that aspect because it sticks to the wall enough to be able to maneuver it where I want. > > > > The problem with triggerpoints is that there are SO many perpetuating factors that could cause them, that it is like looking for a needle in a haystack. In over 20 + years I still have not found out what is causing them & I guess I never will. I just use the ball when they become unbearable. But thanks for your comments anyway.> > > > Susie "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 When I get back spasms in shoulder blades and upper back... -I dose up on magnesium -take an anti-inflammatory -use tens machine -use moist heat pack - ***Get a message...believe it or not...massaging under the arm a bit below the arm pit relieves the center back spasms. My last massage I was black and blue in the spot under my arm that relieves the upper back spasm....it is not a relaxing type massage..it actually hurts to get it done but it does work..not all massage therapists know to do this so I often have to tell them. - ***Recently a friend suggested getting a 6 inch wide high dense roller from a pilates store or physical therapy supply store. (Some use it for their lower back by using it perpendicular to your body....that way does not help my upper body spasms.) The Video is less than 3min. long and the "exercise" is really easy: http://www.ehow.com/video_7368987_pilates-warm_up-exercises-kyphosis.html Because of my balance problems I put a pillow under my head and use it on my bed. By using the roller on the bed it gets into deep muscles. -*** I still need a chiropractic adjustment after. But, I only use a chiropractor who uses an activator, I do allow cracking or pretzel twisting. I ask for the activator to be on a low setting at my lower back and my neck area. All other areas such as my shoulders, rib cage and middle back I request a higher setting. An activator is like a staple gun that clicks. Hope this helps. Mindy To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:05 AMSubject: Re: Back spasms -Susie Susie Have you tried seeing a chiropractor a few times.? One thing muscle spasms do is to pull vertebrae out of alignment and that then sets off more spasms as the muscles on one side are stretched and the other side too loose , so the muscles fight each other and end up putting a vertebrae out even more.Continued back spasms where you have them is likely in ter rhomboid muscles or the upper/mid trapezius When I use the tennis ball trick I place two tennis balls inside a long athletic tube suck ( usually found in the men's section of a store) This allows you to hold both ends of the sock in the hands and move the balls to the position you need it..Another one of my sock tricks is to fill a sock with uncooked rice or beans and tie off the open end and put this is the microwave for 3 minutes.It acts as a moist heat pac and will help loosen the muscles, its flexible and can wrap around joints too. jan 2a. Re: Back spasms -Susie (was) Malic Acid supplements Posted by: "jimjax2" jimjax2@... jimjax2 Date: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:41 pm ((PDT))I really feel for you Susie,I had this in one shoulder blade and it was agonizing... Ask your doctor for a muscle relaxer, this may help.. Flexeril and Soma are two I know of... I would take extra magnesium and Vitamin E, but I am not sure if they will work for this as it is more like a nerve being pinched... Take care,Jim> >> > is it the top odf the back or the low part of the back ?> > Kindly Marie> > > > > > ________________________________> > From: tim2buk <tim2buk@>> > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:46 AM> > Subject: Re: Back spasms -Susie (was) Malic Acid supplements> > > > > > Â > > Jim,> > > > Good to hear your computer problems are fixed. > > > > I didn't know vit e is good for spasms. I currently take 400 daily, but can try taking 800 daily again to see what happens, but I used to take that amount & always had trouble with these triggerpoints. I will never get another shot in my back for them though. I had too many shots over the years & never once did they help, only made me worse. Lesson learned about that. I used to use the tennis ball against the wall, but it slid around too much. Taping it to a board wouldn't help because when I use a ball against the wall, I need it to be able to roll where I want it, but not slip away. The high bounce ball works perfect in that aspect because it sticks to the wall enough to be able to maneuver it where I want. > > > > The problem with triggerpoints is that there are SO many perpetuating factors that could cause them, that it is like looking for a needle in a haystack. In over 20 + years I still have not found out what is causing them & I guess I never will. I just use the ball when they become unbearable. But thanks for your comments anyway.> > > > Susie "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Marie, I used a little dmso on my hip once, but it didn't do anything. I don't care for the liquid, I'm going to get some dmso gel or cream. Is cannabis the same as marijuana? NJ has been trying for a few years to get medical marijuana, but things keep preventing them from actually starting to dispense it. Susie > > > > > > is it the top odf the back or the low part of the back ? > > > Kindly Marie > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: tim2buk <tim2buk@> > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:46 AM > > > Subject: Re: Back spasms -Susie (was) Malic Acid supplements > > > > > > > > >  > > > Jim, > > > > > > Good to hear your computer problems are fixed. > > > > > > I didn't know vit e is good for spasms. I currently take 400 daily, but can try taking 800 daily again to see what happens, but I used to take that amount & always had trouble with these triggerpoints. I will never get another shot in my back for them though. I had too many shots over the years & never once did they help, only made me worse. Lesson learned about that. I used to use the tennis ball against the wall, but it slid around too much. Taping it to a board wouldn't help because when I use a ball against the wall, I need it to be able to roll where I want it, but not slip away. The high bounce ball works perfect in that aspect because it sticks to the wall enough to be able to maneuver it where I want. > > > > > > The problem with triggerpoints is that there are SO many perpetuating factors that could cause them, that it is like looking for a needle in a haystack. In over 20 + years I still have not found out what is causing them & I guess I never will. I just use the ball when they become unbearable. But thanks for your comments anyway. > > > > > > Susie > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Hi Susie,Yes, cannabis is the proper name of the marijuana plant. The problem in NJ so far is that many localities are not allowing permits for a dispensary even though the state has legalized the sale of medical marijuana. I know of at least one that has recently been approved and is now in the process of construction in Egg Harbor Twp.Take care,Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of tim2bukSent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:44 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Back spasms -Susie Marie,I used a little dmso on my hip once, but it didn't do anything. I don't care for the liquid, I'm going to get some dmso gel or cream. Is cannabis the same as marijuana? NJ has been trying for a few years to get medical marijuana, but things keep preventing them from actually starting to dispense it. Susie> > >> > > is it the top odf the back or the low part of the back ?> > > Kindly Marie> > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > From: tim2buk <tim2buk@>> > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:46 AM> > > Subject: Re: Back spasms -Susie (was) Malic Acid supplements> > > > > > > > >  > > > Jim,> > > > > > Good to hear your computer problems are fixed. > > > > > > I didn't know vit e is good for spasms. I currently take 400 daily, but can try taking 800 daily again to see what happens, but I used to take that amount & always had trouble with these triggerpoints. I will never get another shot in my back for them though. I had too many shots over the years & never once did they help, only made me worse. Lesson learned about that. I used to use the tennis ball against the wall, but it slid around too much. Taping it to a board wouldn't help because when I use a ball against the wall, I need it to be able to roll where I want it, but not slip away. The high bounce ball works perfect in that aspect because it sticks to the wall enough to be able to maneuver it where I want. > > > > > > The problem with triggerpoints is that there are SO many perpetuating factors that could cause them, that it is like looking for a needle in a haystack. In over 20 + years I still have not found out what is causing them & I guess I never will. I just use the ball when they become unbearable. But thanks for your comments anyway.> > > > > > Susie > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 The one most helpful spot that you speak of Mindy ,is a trigger point under the second intercostal rib space that is under the armpit the under the second rib where the muscles. ligaments are .It helps to hold this spot for 30 to 90 second and you will feel a release in all your shoulder muscles.Its a hard one to get to by yourself if you arent flexible, but it does relieve pain ,if you can reach it.Just keep feeling around the area until you find a tender, sore spot.There might be more than one spot in the same general area.janRe: Back spasms -Susie Posted by: "Mindy Hellman" mindysrq@... mindysrq Date: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:47 am ((PDT))When I get back spasms in shoulder blades and upper back... -I dose up on magnesium-take an anti-inflammatory-use tens machine-use moist heat pack- ***Get a message...believe it or not...massaging under the arm a bit below the arm pit relieves the center back spasms. My last massage I was black and blue in the spot under my arm that relieves the upper back spasm....it is not a relaxing type massage..it actually hurts to get it done but it does work..not all massage therapists know to do this so I often have to tell them.- ***Recently a friend suggested getting a 6 inch wide high dense roller from a pilates store or physical therapy supply store. (Some use it for their lower back by using it perpendicular to your body....that way does not help my upper body spasms.) "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fullerhttp://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Jan, Is the spot closer to the armpit or closer to the breast? I have so many painful areas in the armpit area, it's hard to distinguish. I don't know how to count my ribs--I can't tell where the first one starts. I don't understand what you mean when you say it's hard to get to by yourself--unless you mean it has to be touched from your back area. I was thinking you meant from the chest area. Please explain further. Thanks. Susie > > > > The one most helpful spot that you speak of Mindy ,is a trigger point > under the second intercostal rib space that is under the armpit the under the second rib where the muscles. ligaments are .It helps to hold this spot for 30 to 90 second and you will feel a release in all your shoulder muscles.Its a hard one to get to by yourself if you arent flexible, but it does relieve pain ,if you can reach it.Just keep feeling around the area until you find a tender, sore spot.There might be more than one spot in the same general area > > > > .jan > > Re: Back spasms -Susie > Posted by: " Mindy Hellman " mindysrq@... mindysrq > Date: Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:47 am ((PDT)) > > When I get back spasms in shoulder blades and upper back... > > -I dose up on magnesium > -take an anti-inflammatory > -use tens machine > -use moist heat pack > - > ***Get a message...believe it or not...massaging under the arm a bit > below the arm pit relieves the center back spasms. My last massage I was > black and blue in the spot under my arm that relieves the upper back > spasm....it is not a relaxing type massage..it actually hurts to get it > done but it does work..not all massage therapists know to do this so I > often have to tell them. > - ***Recently a friend suggested getting a 6 > inch wide high dense roller from a pilates store or physical therapy > supply store. (Some use it for their lower back by using it > perpendicular to your body....that way does not help my upper body > spasms.) > > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Its more towards the back of the armpit, or it may . Basically i try to reach for the spot with the opposite arm because you need to keep the arm muscles loose on the side you are trying to work on.Go up just below and behind the armpit and feel for bone. That bone is a rib, feel for the next rib down Its usually a spot between those two bones or the next space down. Basically just feel around until you find a tender point and hold that point until it stops hurting.You can always feel around for a second tender point also.For me it takes about a minute for the release to happen( when I can hold the point that long ( I dont always have the strength in my hand to hold the point)jan Re: Back spasms -Susie Posted by: "tim2buk" tim2buk@... tim2buk Date: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:34 am ((PDT))Jan,Is the spot closer to the armpit or closer to the breast? I have so many painful areas in the armpit area, it's hard to distinguish. I don't know how to count my ribs--I can't tell where the first one starts. I don't understand what you mean when you say it's hard to get to by yourself--unless you mean it has to be touched from your back area. I was thinking you meant from the chest area. Please explain further. Thanks.Susie "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fullerhttp://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Dear Suzy , I did the wet cupping to day to detox my brainand optical nerve . It gave me a realxatin of the top of the back . She was not chinese and was afraid to let it long enougt as bllod come in the cup she told me that chines let alot a blood goe into the cup so I think she did in fact apoor job by fear . even thought it was efective on tension bu tit did nothing to thebrain fog andoptical nerve i twas on the upper par tof the back kindlu Marie To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:55 PMSubject: Re: Back spasms -Susie Its more towards the back of the armpit, or it may . Basically i try to reach for the spot with the opposite arm because you need to keep the arm muscles loose on the side you are trying to work on.Go up just below and behind the armpit and feel for bone. That bone is a rib, feel for the next rib down Its usually a spot between those two bones or the next space down. Basically just feel around until you find a tender point and hold that point until it stops hurting.You can always feel around for a second tender point also.For me it takes about a minute for the release to happen( when I can hold the point that long ( I dont always have the strength in my hand to hold the point) jan Re: Back spasms -Susie Posted by: "tim2buk" tim2buk@... tim2buk Date: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:34 am ((PDT))Jan,Is the spot closer to the armpit or closer to the breast? I have so many painful areas in the armpit area, it's hard to distinguish. I don't know how to count my ribs--I can't tell where the first one starts. I don't understand what you mean when you say it's hard to get to by yourself--unless you mean it has to be touched from your back area. I was thinking you meant from the chest area. Please explain further. Thanks.Susie "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Jan, I am probably in the right vicinity, but my arm & fingers get fatigued too fast from using pressure. Plus the pain is excruciating & I'm loaded with triggerpoints. I had to stop using the Theracane because I couldn't hold it up long enough to accomplish anything. Because it's very difficult for me to do most self-body work, occasionally I become desperate & vist a massage therapist, but that usually has disastrous results. I've been trying to determine for years the cause of triggerpoints, but there are so many contributing perpetuating factors that I had to stop before I went crazy. Thanks for your time & I'll keep poking around. Susie > > Its more towards the back of the armpit, or it may . Basically i try to reach for the spot with the opposite arm because you need to keep the arm muscles loose on the side you are trying to work on.Go up just below and behind the armpit and feel for bone. That bone is a rib, feel for the next rib down Its usually a spot between those two bones or the next space down. Basically just feel around until you find a tender point and hold that point until it stops hurting.You can always feel around for a second tender point also.For me it takes about a minute for the release to happen( when I can hold the point that long ( I dont always have the strength in my hand to hold the point) > jan > > Re: Back spasms -Susie > Posted by: " tim2buk " tim2buk@... tim2buk > Date: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:34 am ((PDT)) > > Jan, > > Is > the spot closer to the armpit or closer to the breast? I have so many > painful areas in the armpit area, it's hard to distinguish. I don't > know how to count my ribs--I can't tell where the first one starts. I > don't understand what you mean when you say it's hard to get to by > yourself--unless you mean it has to be touched from your back area. I > was thinking you meant from the chest area. Please explain further. > Thanks. > > Susie > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Marie, I looked up wet cupping briefly & am not interested in pursuing that anytime in the near future. I'm glad you at least found some relief. Thanks for sharing. Susie > > Dear Suzy , > I did the wet cupping to day to detox my brainand optical nerve . It gave me a realxatin of the top of the back . She was not chinese and was afraid to let it long enougt as bllod come in the cup she told me that chines let alot a blood goe into the cup so I think she did in fact apoor job by fear . even thought it was efective on tension bu tit did nothing to thebrain fog andoptical nerve i twas on the upper par tof the back > kindlu Marie > > > ________________________________ > > To: " Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:55 PM > Subject: Re: Back spasms -Susie > > >  > Its more towards the back of the armpit, or it may . Basically i try to reach for the spot with the opposite arm because you need to keep the arm muscles loose on the side you are trying to work on.Go up just below and behind the armpit and feel for bone. That bone is a rib, feel for the next rib down Its usually a spot between those two bones or the next space down. Basically just feel around until you find a tender point and hold that point until it stops hurting.You can always feel around for a second tender point also.For me it takes about a minute for the release to happen( when I can hold the point that long ( I dont always have the strength in my hand to hold the point) > jan > > Re: Back spasms -Susie >   Posted by: " tim2buk " tim2buk@... tim2buk >   Date: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:34 am ((PDT)) > > Jan, > > Is the spot closer to the armpit or closer to the breast? I have so many painful areas in the armpit area, it's hard to distinguish. I don't know how to count my ribs--I can't tell where the first one starts. I don't understand what you mean when you say it's hard to get to by yourself--unless you mean it has to be touched from your back area. I was thinking you meant from the chest area. Please explain further. Thanks. > > Susie > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Hi Suzie I am sorry to see you are still struggling with this pain What about trying clay bath it is a n old fashion reputable way to help apin and we understand it better now it detoxify trhought the skin you can do ti at home inyour bath tube su relyit will nothurt more the ris magnetic aly they sell in big qunatities did you try the DMSO ? cheap and easy Kindly Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:21 AMSubject: Re: Back spasms -Susie Jan,I am probably in the right vicinity, but my arm & fingers get fatigued too fast from using pressure. Plus the pain is excruciating & I'm loaded with triggerpoints. I had to stop using the Theracane because I couldn't hold it up long enough to accomplish anything. Because it's very difficult for me to do most self-body work, occasionally I become desperate & vist a massage therapist, but that usually has disastrous results. I've been trying to determine for years the cause of triggerpoints, but there are so many contributing perpetuating factors that I had to stop before I went crazy. Thanks for your time & I'll keep poking around.Susie>> Its more towards the back of the armpit, or it may . Basically i try to reach for the spot with the opposite arm because you need to keep the arm muscles loose on the side you are trying to work on.Go up just below and behind the armpit and feel for bone. That bone is a rib, feel for the next rib down Its usually a spot between those two bones or the next space down. Basically just feel around until you find a tender point and hold that point until it stops hurting.You can always feel around for a second tender point also.For me it takes about a minute for the release to happen( when I can hold the point that long ( I dont always have the strength in my hand to hold the point)> jan> > Re: Back spasms -Susie> Posted by: "tim2buk" tim2buk@... tim2buk> Date: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:34 am ((PDT))> > Jan,> > Is> the spot closer to the armpit or closer to the breast? I have so many > painful areas in the armpit area, it's hard to distinguish. I don't > know how to count my ribs--I can't tell where the first one starts. I > don't understand what you mean when you say it's hard to get to by > yourself--unless you mean it has to be touched from your back area. I > was thinking you meant from the chest area. Please explain further. > Thanks.> > Susie> > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Marie, My lower & upper back spasms have subsided somewhat & even though they are still under the surface, I am very grateful for any little improvement. I'm not a bath person but I do sit in the FIR sauna for about 14 minutes a couple of times a week & try to sweat. I haven't tried the DMSO on my back because there's too big of an area to be treated & I'm afraid of side effects--I have too many chemical sensitivities & have to be very careful what I try. But I'm haning in there! Thanks for your thoughts. Susie > > > > Its more towards the back of the armpit, or it may . Basically i try to reach for the spot with the opposite arm because you need to keep the arm muscles loose on the side you are trying to work on.Go up just below and behind the armpit and feel for bone. That bone is a rib, feel for the next rib down Its usually a spot between those two bones or the next space down. Basically just feel around until you find a tender point and hold that point until it stops hurting.You can always feel around for a second tender point also.For me it takes about a minute for the release to happen( when I can hold the point that long ( I dont always have the strength in my hand to hold the point) > > jan > > > > Re: Back spasms -Susie > >   Posted by: " tim2buk " tim2buk@ tim2buk > >   Date: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:34 am ((PDT)) > > > > Jan, > > > > Is > > the spot closer to the armpit or closer to the breast? I have so many > > painful areas in the armpit area, it's hard to distinguish. I don't > > know how to count my ribs--I can't tell where the first one starts. I > > don't understand what you mean when you say it's hard to get to by > > yourself--unless you mean it has to be touched from your back area. I > > was thinking you meant from the chest area. Please explain further. > > Thanks. > > > > Susie > >  > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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