Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE ASSOCIATED PRES

[Guest guest]

Assuming this story is accurate (which it isn't) check the VAERS data for

injuries from vaccines and compare to injuries from measles - it's not close -

many more vaccine damaged - BILLIONS of dollars paid to vaccine damaged -

measles relatively harmless, especially when treated with COD LIVER OIL as done

in a significant portion of the rest of the world where they do not give MMR.

Go to Generation Rescue and read the 11 page paper in its entirety - Wakefield

did not say any of the things he is accused of, but if people just believe what

they read from reporters who regurgitate what one man, Deer, inaccurately

reported, it appears negative. Read for yourself and get the entire facts.

Wakefield results have been replicated numerous times.

BTW - my perfectly normally developing baby had a reaction to the MMR, lost eye

contact, language and social skills - Dx'd Autism - I saw the reaction first

hand.

Protocols designed to reverse the adverse effects of vaccines are recovering my

son whose ATEC has dropped from almost 100 to about 25. He will be recovered and

lose Dx in a few more years. He is not on any Rx medications, the healthiest

he's ever been (missed 1 day of school in past 2 years) gets straight A's,

school band - clarinet, sports galore and regaining social.

this raises important questions:

Street Corner Autism Debate http://bit.ly/gSGWGT

BTW - isn't it odd that this 11 year old paper becomes front page news the week

PAUL OFFIT (owner of several vaccine patents) has a book coming out?

Is it coincidence that JULIE GERBERDING, prior head of the CDC Vaccine division,

approved OFFIT's Vaccine and now she is HEAD OF MERCK's VACCINE DIVISION?

Dr's used be taught in MEDICAL SCHOOL to prescribe HEROIN and COCAINE until

1920's. Cigarettes until mid 1950's. Aspirin 1970's. Numerous drugs once thought

safe pulled from the market. We need to keep an open mind and accurately assess

the number and combinations of vaccnies we give our kids. The studies have never

been done.

Doesn't that make sense?

>

> Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE ASSOCIATED

PRESS

> Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

>

> LONDON (AP) — The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism was based

on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new report

on the widely discredited research.

>

> The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues was

renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal

Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was connected

to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps

and rubella have never fully recovered.

>

> A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the paper to

hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about patients in

their study.

>

> The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite the claim

in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until they had the

MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer also found

that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared data from

medical records and the children's parents.

>

> Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and requests

to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a connection between

vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical establishment.

Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including

celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

>

> Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's

Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical

journal, BMJ.

>

> In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues called

Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in other

journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

>

> Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in Britain.

Many other published studies have shown no connection between the MMR

vaccination and autism.

>

> But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there are

sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic in

England and Wales.

>

> ___

>

> Online:

>

> www.bmj.com

>

[Guest guest]

Never heard this before. (doesn't mean it's not accurate, I just like knowing

ALL the information) Do you have citations?

The only thing close comes from the mid 70's and prior when the association

between ASPIRIN and REYES SYNDROME was discovered. Before that, I believe it was

the aspirin causing the problems, not the measles?

Perhaps in malnourished and already sick, the measles could present more of a

problem, which sounds logical.

> > >

> > > Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE

ASSOCIATED PRESS

> > > Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

> > >

> > > LONDON (AP) †" The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism was

based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new

report on the widely discredited research.

> > >

> > > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues was

renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal

Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was connected

to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps

and rubella have never fully recovered.

> > >

> > > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the paper

to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about patients

in their study.

> > >

> > > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite the

claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until they

had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer

also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared data

from medical records and the children's parents.

> > >

> > > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and

requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a connection

between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical establishment.

Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including

celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

> > >

> > > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's

Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical

journal, BMJ.

> > >

> > > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues

called Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in

other journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

> > >

> > > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in

Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the MMR

vaccination and autism.

> > >

> > > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there are

sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic in

England and Wales.

> > >

> > > ___

> > >

> > > Online:

> > >

> > > www.bmj.com

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, you know these diseases dont know borders.  In developed nations measels

is an irritant, in developing nations it kills.  Even in developed nations

measels can kill those with weakened immune systems such as the elderly and

people with HIV.  Autism sucks, but does dying.

 

http://www.measlesinitiative.org/

 

http://www.unicef.org/media/media_38076.html

From: rwb000 <snccla@...>

Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy

THE ASSOCIATED PRES

Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 11:52 AM

 

Never heard this before. (doesn't mean it's not accurate, I just like knowing

ALL the information) Do you have citations?

The only thing close comes from the mid 70's and prior when the association

between ASPIRIN and REYES SYNDROME was discovered. Before that, I believe it was

the aspirin causing the problems, not the measles?

Perhaps in malnourished and already sick, the measles could present more of a

problem, which sounds logical.

> > >

> > > Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE

ASSOCIATED PRESS

> > > Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

> > >

> > > LONDON (AP) †" The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism

was based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a

new report on the widely discredited research.

> > >

> > > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues was

renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal

Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was connected

to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps

and rubella have never fully recovered.

> > >

> > > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the paper

to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about patients

in their study.

> > >

> > > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite the

claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until they

had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer

also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared data

from medical records and the children's parents.

> > >

> > > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and

requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a connection

between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical establishment.

Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including

celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

> > >

> > > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's

Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical

journal, BMJ.

> > >

> > > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues

called Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in

other journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

> > >

> > > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in

Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the MMR

vaccination and autism.

> > >

> > > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there are

sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic in

England and Wales.

> > >

> > > ___

> > >

> > > Online:

> > >

> > > www.bmj.com

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My daughter too reacted to the MMR. Can I call u privately? We have not yet

started the protocol.

Thank You,

Kamal

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 8, 2011, at 7:05 PM, " Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics "

<hyperbaric1@...> wrote:

> I too had three perfect daughters and after the MMR the big change happened.

Thank God they are well now, ages 21 23 and 24

>

> Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

ReportsBy THE ASSOCIATED PRES

>

>

[Guest guest]

right on .

-Jen

> > >

> > > Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE

ASSOCIATED PRESS

> > > Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

> > >

> > > LONDON (AP) †" The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism was

based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new

report on the widely discredited research.

> > >

> > > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues was

renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal

Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was connected

to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps

and rubella have never fully recovered.

> > >

> > > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the paper

to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about patients

in their study.

> > >

> > > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite the

claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until they

had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer

also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared data

from medical records and the children's parents.

> > >

> > > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and

requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a connection

between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical establishment.

Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including

celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

> > >

> > > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's

Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical

journal, BMJ.

> > >

> > > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues

called Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in

other journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

> > >

> > > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in

Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the MMR

vaccination and autism.

> > >

> > > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there are

sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic in

England and Wales.

> > >

> > > ___

> > >

> > > Online:

> > >

> > > www.bmj.com

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is not just the vaccines it's the timing and boosters. You can test to see if

a child still has immunity and test to see if they have weak immune systems. We

should have a program that allow for parents to get their kids vaccinated

without the danger and then there would be no problem.

________________________________

From: <jlhank80@...>

Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 12:21:14 PM

Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy

THE ASSOCIATED PRES

right on .

-Jen

> > >

> > > Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE

ASSOCIATED

>PRESS

> > > Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

> > >

> > > LONDON (AP) †" The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism

was

>based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new

>report on the widely discredited research.

>

> > >

> > > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues was

>renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal

>Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was

connected

>to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps

>and rubella have never fully recovered.

>

> > >

> > > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the paper

>to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about patients

>in their study.

>

> > >

> > > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite the

>claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until they

>had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer

>also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared data

>from medical records and the children's parents.

>

> > >

> > > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and

>requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a

connection

>between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical establishment.

>Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including

>celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

>

> > >

> > > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's

>Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical

>journal, BMJ.

>

> > >

> > > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues

called

>Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in other

>journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

>

> > >

> > > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in

>Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the MMR

>vaccination and autism.

>

> > >

> > > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there are

>sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic

in

>England and Wales.

>

> > >

> > > ___

> > >

> > > Online:

> > >

> > > www.bmj.com

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thats what we did, we tested for the titers, presented them to our family doctor

and got her to write a deferrment so that our son could go to school.  I am not

pro unneccesarry vaccines, but I try not to over react either.  We dont get flu

vacinnes because thay are by their nature untested for long term effects and

frequently oversold to the public.  However I do believe some vaccines save

many lives, especially in developing nations. 

 

From: Bill klimas <klimas_bill@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

ReportsBy THE ASSOCIATED PRES

Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 1:35 PM

 

It is not just the vaccines it's the timing and boosters. You can test to see if

a child still has immunity and test to see if they have weak immune systems. We

should have a program that allow for parents to get their kids vaccinated

without the danger and then there would be no problem.

________________________________

From: <jlhank80@...>

Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 12:21:14 PM

Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy

THE ASSOCIATED PRES

right on .

-Jen

> > >

> > > Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE

ASSOCIATED

>PRESS

> > > Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

> > >

> > > LONDON (AP) †" The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism

was

>based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new

>report on the widely discredited research.

>

> > >

> > > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues was

>renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal

>Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was

connected

>to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps

>and rubella have never fully recovered.

>

> > >

> > > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the paper

>to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about patients

>in their study.

>

> > >

> > > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite the

>claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until they

>had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer

>also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared data

>from medical records and the children's parents.

>

> > >

> > > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and

>requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a

connection

>between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical establishment.

>Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including

>celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

>

> > >

> > > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's

>Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical

>journal, BMJ.

>

> > >

> > > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues

called

>Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in other

>journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

>

> > >

> > > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in

>Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the MMR

>vaccination and autism.

>

> > >

> > > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there are

>sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic

in

>England and Wales.

>

> > >

> > > ___

> > >

> > > Online:

> > >

> > > www.bmj.com

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The continual press about Wakefield and his study makes me question the

motives behind the story more than anything. This thing will not die and the

more headlines I see about it, the more I question the motives behind them.

It's almost funny. I'm not trying to get in a huge debate about it, just making

an observation. Big Pharms conduct their own clinical trials all the time; with

favorable results. Hmm. Only later to find out that the product was actually

harmful, deadly, etc and pulled off the shelves. Even though this is a regular

occurrence, we don't keep seeing headlines about it. If this guys was just a

crackpot who falsified data, paid people off and whatever else he is being

accused of...okay, we got the memo! The more that is printed up about this guy

whose life has been destroyed by this...the more I believe he is not a

crackpot...based solely on the fact that somebody won't let this die. Just

interesting, that's all.

Lastly, when people talk about the measles, I always wait for them to finish the

sentence about their experience. " You got the measles and what??? Did your

head explode...blood come out of your eyes...what, please tell me? Honestly, I

don't know and am very confused as to what ACTUALLY happens and what we're TOLD

can happen. What is true and what is folklore?? Here's what I've heard so

far- " we'll, I got a fever. " Okay, you got a fever. I can deal with a fever.

I'm sure this is not the case for everyone, just as a favorable reaction to

vaccines is not the same for everyone. I just don't want to believe lies

perpetuated to scare me into doing something that as far as I've heard, may not

be as scary as it seems. That said, I'm sure if the vaccines did not exist for

measles, maybe many more people would have it and it would be deadly and scary.

Just sayin', praise God, I haven't seen it.

________________________________

From: <jlhank80@...>

Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 9:21:14 AM

Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy

THE ASSOCIATED PRES

right on .

-Jen

> > >

> > > Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE

ASSOCIATED

>PRESS

> > > Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

> > >

> > > LONDON (AP) †" The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism

was

>based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new

>report on the widely discredited research.

>

> > >

> > > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues was

>renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal

>Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was

connected

>to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps

>and rubella have never fully recovered.

>

> > >

> > > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the paper

>to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about patients

>in their study.

>

> > >

> > > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite the

>claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until they

>had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer

>also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared data

>from medical records and the children's parents.

>

> > >

> > > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and

>requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a

connection

>between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical establishment.

>Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including

>celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

>

> > >

> > > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's

>Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical

>journal, BMJ.

>

> > >

> > > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues

called

>Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in other

>journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

>

> > >

> > > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in

>Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the MMR

>vaccination and autism.

>

> > >

> > > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there are

>sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic

in

>England and Wales.

>

> > >

> > > ___

> > >

> > > Online:

> > >

> > > www.bmj.com

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok I have first hand seen what it can do. When I was 7 I lived in itaquatiria in

the amazon rain forest for 4 months while my father did field research. The

local indians had pitted faces from measles, those that had not died. Indigenous

peoples who do not have a millennia of exposure to Eurasian diseases die from

them. This is nor big pharma talking this is me. The village also had lepers and

people dying of malaria who would have loved big pharma if they weren't too

poor. We are fortunate enough to live in a country where we can take healthcare

and basic nutrition for granted. No folklore, you can google the images if you

want.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 11, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Dawn Dolan <dawndolan@...> wrote:

> The continual press about Wakefield and his study makes me question the

> motives behind the story more than anything. This thing will not die and the

> more headlines I see about it, the more I question the motives behind them.

> It's almost funny. I'm not trying to get in a huge debate about it, just

making

> an observation. Big Pharms conduct their own clinical trials all the time;

with

> favorable results. Hmm. Only later to find out that the product was actually

> harmful, deadly, etc and pulled off the shelves. Even though this is a regular

> occurrence, we don't keep seeing headlines about it. If this guys was just a

> crackpot who falsified data, paid people off and whatever else he is being

> accused of...okay, we got the memo! The more that is printed up about this guy

> whose life has been destroyed by this...the more I believe he is not a

> crackpot...based solely on the fact that somebody won't let this die. Just

> interesting, that's all.

>

> Lastly, when people talk about the measles, I always wait for them to finish

the

> sentence about their experience. " You got the measles and what??? Did your

> head explode...blood come out of your eyes...what, please tell me? Honestly, I

> don't know and am very confused as to what ACTUALLY happens and what we're

TOLD

> can happen. What is true and what is folklore?? Here's what I've heard so

> far- " we'll, I got a fever. " Okay, you got a fever. I can deal with a fever.

> I'm sure this is not the case for everyone, just as a favorable reaction to

> vaccines is not the same for everyone. I just don't want to believe lies

> perpetuated to scare me into doing something that as far as I've heard, may

not

> be as scary as it seems. That said, I'm sure if the vaccines did not exist for

> measles, maybe many more people would have it and it would be deadly and

scary.

> Just sayin', praise God, I haven't seen it.

>

> ________________________________

> From: <jlhank80@...>

>

> Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 9:21:14 AM

> Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

ReportsBy

> THE ASSOCIATED PRES

>

> right on .

> -Jen

>

> > > >

> > > > Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE

ASSOCIATED

> >PRESS

> > > > Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

> > > >

> > > > LONDON (AP) †" The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism

was

> >based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new

> >report on the widely discredited research.

> >

> > > >

> > > > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues was

> >renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal

> >Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was

connected

> >to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps

> >and rubella have never fully recovered.

> >

> > > >

> > > > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the

paper

> >to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about

patients

> >in their study.

> >

> > > >

> > > > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite the

> >claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until

they

> >had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer

> >also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared

data

> >from medical records and the children's parents.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and

> >requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a

connection

> >between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical

establishment.

> >Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including

> >celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's

> >Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical

> >journal, BMJ.

> >

> > > >

> > > > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues

called

> >Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in other

> >journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in

> >Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the

MMR

> >vaccination and autism.

> >

> > > >

> > > > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there

are

> >sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic

in

> >England and Wales.

> >

> > > >

> > > > ___

> > > >

> > > > Online:

> > > >

> > > > www.bmj.com

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Measles killed 160,000 people in 2008 worldwide. Most were small children. It

is a viral illness that is very contagious. Before immunizations, in the US,

everyone got the infection. About 1 in 1000 developed encephalitis, or a brain

infection from the measles. That leads to blindness, death or brain damage. In

poor countries, malnourished kids die about 20 percent of the time. Vitamin a

supplementation can probably cut the death rate by half. Most measles in the US

is imported in from other countries. MMR is about 85-95% effective in giving

immunity. Bruce

> Lastly, when people talk about the measles, I always wait for them to finish

the

> sentence about their experience. " You got the measles and what??? Did your

> head explode...blood come out of your eyes...what, please tell me? Honestly,

I

> don't know and am very confused as to what ACTUALLY happens and what we're

TOLD

> can happen. What is true and what is folklore?? Here's what I've heard so

> far- " we'll, I got a fever. " Okay, you got a fever. I can deal with a fever.

> I'm sure this is not the case for everyone, just as a favorable reaction to

> vaccines is not the same for everyone. I just don't want to believe lies

[Guest guest]

I understand that this is what data is out there. What I was saying,

thankfully, is I don't even know a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend

who died from measles. I'm not down playing it and understand that those

affected by such a tragedy are completely devastated. So not down playing it,

just don't 100% buy it. But I'm kind of a skeptic now. I also don't believe

the flu statistics. The info isn't always correct. It depends who's

controlling the info. Just like the WHO saying the swine flu was going to be a

pandemic. They used very serious language which ignited fear in everyone and it

wasn't true. As soon as I heard such language, I thought, this sounds like a

pharmaceutical ad and sure enough, it came out that they have pharm. ties. That

is bias and negligent. Also, when measles outbreaks are reported; (I know we

still get them), they never state if the people were vaccinated or not...unless

of course they were not. I suspect some were vaccinated and still got the

measles. This is interesting, if women got the measles naturally, the mother

would pass on a natural immunity to measles to her children but not if she got

her immunity through vaccination.

Anyway, I know the " supposed " facts that are out there. I'm just trying to

figure this out like everyone else on this list and trying to be extra careful

about believing everything I read without checking the source and using common

sense.

________________________________

From: Clint <dr_bruce_40@...>

Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 11:45:33 AM

Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy

THE ASSOCIATED PRES

Measles killed 160,000 people in 2008 worldwide. Most were small children. It

is a viral illness that is very contagious. Before immunizations, in the US,

everyone got the infection. About 1 in 1000 developed encephalitis, or a brain

infection from the measles. That leads to blindness, death or brain damage. In

poor countries, malnourished kids die about 20 percent of the time. Vitamin a

supplementation can probably cut the death rate by half. Most measles in the US

is imported in from other countries. MMR is about 85-95% effective in giving

immunity. Bruce

> Lastly, when people talk about the measles, I always wait for them to finish

>the

>

> sentence about their experience. " You got the measles and what??? Did your

> head explode...blood come out of your eyes...what, please tell me? Honestly,

I

>

> don't know and am very confused as to what ACTUALLY happens and what we're

TOLD

>

> can happen. What is true and what is folklore?? Here's what I've heard so

> far- " we'll, I got a fever. " Okay, you got a fever. I can deal with a fever.

> I'm sure this is not the case for everyone, just as a favorable reaction to

> vaccines is not the same for everyone. I just don't want to believe lies

[Guest guest]

I did read there was a 13 year old boy in the UK who died of measles several

years ago.

>

> I understand that this is what data is out there. What I was saying,

> thankfully, is I don't even know a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend

> who died from measles. I'm not down playing it and understand that those

> affected by such a tragedy are completely devastated. So not down playing it,

> just don't 100% buy it. But I'm kind of a skeptic now. I also don't believe

> the flu statistics. The info isn't always correct. It depends who's

> controlling the info. Just like the WHO saying the swine flu was going to be

a

> pandemic. They used very serious language which ignited fear in everyone and

it

> wasn't true. As soon as I heard such language, I thought, this sounds like a

> pharmaceutical ad and sure enough, it came out that they have pharm. ties.

That

> is bias and negligent. Also, when measles outbreaks are reported; (I know we

> still get them), they never state if the people were vaccinated or

not...unless

> of course they were not. I suspect some were vaccinated and still got the

> measles. This is interesting, if women got the measles naturally, the mother

> would pass on a natural immunity to measles to her children but not if she got

> her immunity through vaccination.

>

>

> Anyway, I know the " supposed " facts that are out there. I'm just trying to

> figure this out like everyone else on this list and trying to be extra careful

> about believing everything I read without checking the source and using common

> sense.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Clint <dr_bruce_40@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 11:45:33 AM

> Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

ReportsBy

> THE ASSOCIATED PRES

>

>

> Measles killed 160,000 people in 2008 worldwide. Most were small children.

It

> is a viral illness that is very contagious. Before immunizations, in the US,

> everyone got the infection. About 1 in 1000 developed encephalitis, or a

brain

> infection from the measles. That leads to blindness, death or brain damage.

In

> poor countries, malnourished kids die about 20 percent of the time. Vitamin a

> supplementation can probably cut the death rate by half. Most measles in the

US

> is imported in from other countries. MMR is about 85-95% effective in giving

> immunity. Bruce

>

> > Lastly, when people talk about the measles, I always wait for them to finish

> >the

> >

> > sentence about their experience. " You got the measles and what??? Did your

> > head explode...blood come out of your eyes...what, please tell me?

Honestly, I

> >

> > don't know and am very confused as to what ACTUALLY happens and what we're

TOLD

> >

> > can happen. What is true and what is folklore?? Here's what I've heard so

> > far- " we'll, I got a fever. " Okay, you got a fever. I can deal with a

fever.

> > I'm sure this is not the case for everyone, just as a favorable reaction to

> > vaccines is not the same for everyone. I just don't want to believe lies

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.thinktwice.com/measles.htm

So much more to read online. Data shows measles was on its way out and

vaccines had nothing to do with it. Might want to read about the

supposed " immunity " that people get from vaccines. It's a false

immunity. Measles outbreaks occur EVERY YEAR and most of the cases are

vaccinated. The vaccine doesn't work. Same with other " vaccine

preventable diseases. " Vaccines are child abuse IMO. If you read the

info obtained from our own government via the freedom of information

act you could see it all for yourself. But, most people don't want to

do that.

Jen

[Guest guest]

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

[Guest guest]

Measles are rare in the us now. The data are availible for the US for the year

2008. There were 131 cases. They were imported from abroad, as measles is no

longer endemic to the US. About 95% were either unvaccinated or their

vaccination status was unknown. About 2/3 of these cases were persons

unvaccinated due to philisophical or Religious reasons. No one died. 15 were

sick enough to be hospitalized.

Natural maternal infection does not confer immunity to the children. Neither

does immunization of the mother confer immunity to the offspring. Bruce

>

> I understand that this is what data is out there. What I was saying,

> thankfully, is I don't even know a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend

> who died from measles. I'm not down playing it and understand that those

> affected by such a tragedy are completely devastated. So not down playing it,

> just don't 100% buy it. But I'm kind of a skeptic now. I also don't believe

> the flu statistics. The info isn't always correct. It depends who's

> controlling the info. Just like the WHO saying the swine flu was going to be

a

> pandemic. They used very serious language which ignited fear in everyone and

it

> wasn't true. As soon as I heard such language, I thought, this sounds like a

> pharmaceutical ad and sure enough, it came out that they have pharm. ties.

That

> is bias and negligent. Also, when measles outbreaks are reported; (I know we

> still get them), they never state if the people were vaccinated or

not...unless

> of course they were not. I suspect some were vaccinated and still got the

> measles. This is interesting, if women got the measles naturally, the mother

> would pass on a natural immunity to measles to her children but not if she got

> her immunity through vaccination.

>

>

> Anyway, I know the " supposed " facts that are out there. I'm just trying to

> figure this out like everyone else on this list and trying to be extra careful

> about believing everything I read without checking the source and using common

> sense.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Clint <dr_bruce_40@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 11:45:33 AM

> Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

ReportsBy

> THE ASSOCIATED PRES

>

>

> Measles killed 160,000 people in 2008 worldwide. Most were small children.

It

> is a viral illness that is very contagious. Before immunizations, in the US,

> everyone got the infection. About 1 in 1000 developed encephalitis, or a

brain

> infection from the measles. That leads to blindness, death or brain damage.

In

> poor countries, malnourished kids die about 20 percent of the time. Vitamin a

> supplementation can probably cut the death rate by half. Most measles in the

US

> is imported in from other countries. MMR is about 85-95% effective in giving

> immunity. Bruce

>

> > Lastly, when people talk about the measles, I always wait for them to finish

> >the

> >

> > sentence about their experience. " You got the measles and what??? Did your

> > head explode...blood come out of your eyes...what, please tell me?

Honestly, I

> >

> > don't know and am very confused as to what ACTUALLY happens and what we're

TOLD

> >

> > can happen. What is true and what is folklore?? Here's what I've heard so

> > far- " we'll, I got a fever. " Okay, you got a fever. I can deal with a

fever.

> > I'm sure this is not the case for everyone, just as a favorable reaction to

> > vaccines is not the same for everyone. I just don't want to believe lies

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know this is a very sensitive topic with strong opinions on both side - but

what I have observed trying to look at it objectively is that it is rampant with

conflict of interest which is often not disclosed (Doctors (peds), Press, Public

Health officials). As there are two components that are trying to be managed,

individual & public health, the recommendations cannot always be supportive of

both in every situation.

Dr King has some good papers on this topic that is being discussed on this

website

This one is a good read although it is definitely more on the side of the

knowing misrepresetnations

http://dr-king.com/docs/101001_VaccinesVaccinationProgramsAndKnowingMisrepresent\

ationsb.pdf

A snippet below from the paper reminded me of the some of the posts in this

thread - which may very well be propagating the fear that is alluded to

unknowingly as if they were objective facts:

" To sell these less-than-effective, less-than-proven-safe, and

much-more-expensive vaccines, the Establishment continually reminds the public

of the horrors of the deaths from “vaccine-preventable disease†for certain

highly contagious and lethal diseases from the era before vaccines (e.g.,

smallpox, polio and measles), diseases that have disappeared (e.g., smallpox) or

only occur at low levels (e.g., measles) in the USA today, while ignoring or

minimizing the following critical realities: ) that: a) are less-and-less

curative and/or effective and seem to be more-and-more harmful are being

approved and delivered to the public as preventives for conditions whose

incidence, in many instances, may have been caused or aggravated by other

vaccines, drugs, processed and genetically altered foods, and chemicals that the

Establishment markets to the public as “safe†without any real proofs of the

short-term and, more importantly, true long-term safety for any of these

Establishment products.

♦ Clean water, sanitation, basic food safety, improved housing, and

antibiotics

did more to reduce the level of the disease-related injuries and fatalities from

the highly contagious and lethal diseases than the vaccines for them have done,

♦ Without any vaccine, scarlet fever, a highly contagious and lethal disease,

has virtually disappeared

♦ Many of today’s vaccines are for diseases that: a) are not highly

contagious

(e.g., influenza and hepatitis or do not have any significant mortality

levels (e.g., chickenpox, mumps, rubella, and tetanus).

♦ The obviously vaccine-related increases in chronic diseases, especially

chronic diseases that have a significant autoimmune component, like asthma,

multiple sclerosis, chronic fatigue syndrome, lupus, and diabetes, to name a

few, as well as epidemic increases in abnormal childhood neurodevelopment,

abnormal behaviors, other developmental abnormalities and bowel disorders. "

________________________________

From: Clint <dr_bruce_40@...>

Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 8:10:47 AM

Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy

THE ASSOCIATED PRES

Measles are rare in the us now. The data are availible for the US for the year

2008. There were 131 cases. They were imported from abroad, as measles is no

longer endemic to the US. About 95% were either unvaccinated or their

vaccination status was unknown. About 2/3 of these cases were persons

unvaccinated due to philisophical or Religious reasons. No one died. 15 were

sick enough to be hospitalized.

Natural maternal infection does not confer immunity to the children. Neither

does immunization of the mother confer immunity to the offspring. Bruce

>

> I understand that this is what data is out there. What I was saying,

> thankfully, is I don't even know a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend

> who died from measles. I'm not down playing it and understand that those

> affected by such a tragedy are completely devastated. So not down playing it,

> just don't 100% buy it. But I'm kind of a skeptic now. I also don't believe

> the flu statistics. The info isn't always correct. It depends who's

> controlling the info. Just like the WHO saying the swine flu was going to be

a

>

> pandemic. They used very serious language which ignited fear in everyone and

>it

>

> wasn't true. As soon as I heard such language, I thought, this sounds like a

> pharmaceutical ad and sure enough, it came out that they have pharm. ties.

>That

>

> is bias and negligent. Also, when measles outbreaks are reported; (I know we

> still get them), they never state if the people were vaccinated or

not...unless

>

> of course they were not. I suspect some were vaccinated and still got the

> measles. This is interesting, if women got the measles naturally, the mother

> would pass on a natural immunity to measles to her children but not if she got

> her immunity through vaccination.

>

>

> Anyway, I know the " supposed " facts that are out there. I'm just trying to

> figure this out like everyone else on this list and trying to be extra careful

> about believing everything I read without checking the source and using common

> sense.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Clint <dr_bruce_40@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 11:45:33 AM

> Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

>ReportsBy

>

> THE ASSOCIATED PRES

>

>

> Measles killed 160,000 people in 2008 worldwide. Most were small children.

It

>

> is a viral illness that is very contagious. Before immunizations, in the US,

> everyone got the infection. About 1 in 1000 developed encephalitis, or a

brain

>

> infection from the measles. That leads to blindness, death or brain damage.

>In

>

> poor countries, malnourished kids die about 20 percent of the time. Vitamin a

> supplementation can probably cut the death rate by half. Most measles in the

US

>

> is imported in from other countries. MMR is about 85-95% effective in giving

> immunity. Bruce

>

> > Lastly, when people talk about the measles, I always wait for them to finish

> >the

> >

> > sentence about their experience. " You got the measles and what??? Did your

> > head explode...blood come out of your eyes...what, please tell me?

Honestly,

>I

>

> >

> > don't know and am very confused as to what ACTUALLY happens and what we're

>TOLD

>

> >

> > can happen. What is true and what is folklore?? Here's what I've heard so

> > far- " we'll, I got a fever. " Okay, you got a fever. I can deal with a

fever.

>

> > I'm sure this is not the case for everyone, just as a favorable reaction to

> > vaccines is not the same for everyone. I just don't want to believe lies

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bruce, this is what I read in a report that was sent to me. It's called the

Blaylock report. I will copy and paste it below. It may be hard to verify or

dispute these days as most of us have been vaccinated or our children have.

When young girls catch measles naturally, they

in turn are able to pass this immune protection

on to their babies when they are older, both by

antibody transfer through the placenta and by

way of breast milk after giving birth.

Vaccination with MMR prevents girls from

getting the measles, and it also keeps their

immunity from being transferred to their future

children, who are then born utterly unprotected.

________________________________

From: Clint <dr_bruce_40@...>

Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 8:10:47 AM

Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy

THE ASSOCIATED PRES

Measles are rare in the us now. The data are availible for the US for the year

2008. There were 131 cases. They were imported from abroad, as measles is no

longer endemic to the US. About 95% were either unvaccinated or their

vaccination status was unknown. About 2/3 of these cases were persons

unvaccinated due to philisophical or Religious reasons. No one died. 15 were

sick enough to be hospitalized.

Natural maternal infection does not confer immunity to the children. Neither

does immunization of the mother confer immunity to the offspring. Bruce

>

> I understand that this is what data is out there. What I was saying,

> thankfully, is I don't even know a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend

> who died from measles. I'm not down playing it and understand that those

> affected by such a tragedy are completely devastated. So not down playing it,

> just don't 100% buy it. But I'm kind of a skeptic now. I also don't believe

> the flu statistics. The info isn't always correct. It depends who's

> controlling the info. Just like the WHO saying the swine flu was going to be

a

>

> pandemic. They used very serious language which ignited fear in everyone and

>it

>

> wasn't true. As soon as I heard such language, I thought, this sounds like a

> pharmaceutical ad and sure enough, it came out that they have pharm. ties.

>That

>

> is bias and negligent. Also, when measles outbreaks are reported; (I know we

> still get them), they never state if the people were vaccinated or

not...unless

>

> of course they were not. I suspect some were vaccinated and still got the

> measles. This is interesting, if women got the measles naturally, the mother

> would pass on a natural immunity to measles to her children but not if she got

> her immunity through vaccination.

>

>

> Anyway, I know the " supposed " facts that are out there. I'm just trying to

> figure this out like everyone else on this list and trying to be extra careful

> about believing everything I read without checking the source and using common

> sense.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Clint <dr_bruce_40@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 11:45:33 AM

> Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

>ReportsBy

>

> THE ASSOCIATED PRES

>

>

> Measles killed 160,000 people in 2008 worldwide. Most were small children.

It

>

> is a viral illness that is very contagious. Before immunizations, in the US,

> everyone got the infection. About 1 in 1000 developed encephalitis, or a

brain

>

> infection from the measles. That leads to blindness, death or brain damage.

>In

>

> poor countries, malnourished kids die about 20 percent of the time. Vitamin a

> supplementation can probably cut the death rate by half. Most measles in the

US

>

> is imported in from other countries. MMR is about 85-95% effective in giving

> immunity. Bruce

>

> > Lastly, when people talk about the measles, I always wait for them to finish

> >the

> >

> > sentence about their experience. " You got the measles and what??? Did your

> > head explode...blood come out of your eyes...what, please tell me?

Honestly,

>I

>

> >

> > don't know and am very confused as to what ACTUALLY happens and what we're

>TOLD

>

> >

> > can happen. What is true and what is folklore?? Here's what I've heard so

> > far- " we'll, I got a fever. " Okay, you got a fever. I can deal with a

fever.

>

> > I'm sure this is not the case for everyone, just as a favorable reaction to

> > vaccines is not the same for everyone. I just don't want to believe lies

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

Here¹s a study on ³passive immunity² you might find interesting.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14646978

It found that ³Passive acquired immunity in infants born to mothers who have

had measles lasts longer than in infants born to vaccinated mothers. Nearly

two thirds of infants (65.4%) in the 7th month of life did not have

sufficient maternally derived neutralizing antibodies to protect against

measles.³

It would be interesting to know how/if nursing protects them a bit longer.

Anyway, thought you might find that interesting.

Caroline G.

From: Dawn Dolan <dawndolan@...>

Reply-< >

Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:57:11 -0800 (PST)

< >

Subject: Re: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

ReportsBy THE ASSOCIATED PRES

Bruce, this is what I read in a report that was sent to me. It's called the

Blaylock report. I will copy and paste it below. It may be hard to verify

or

dispute these days as most of us have been vaccinated or our children have.

When young girls catch measles naturally, they

in turn are able to pass this immune protection

on to their babies when they are older, both by

antibody transfer through the placenta and by

way of breast milk after giving birth.

Vaccination with MMR prevents girls from

getting the measles, and it also keeps their

immunity from being transferred to their future

children, who are then born utterly unprotected.

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much!

________________________________

From: Caroline Glover <sfglover@...>

Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 12:01:12 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

ReportsBy THE ASSOCIATED PRES

Dawn,

Here¹s a study on ³passive immunity² you might find interesting.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14646978

It found that ³Passive acquired immunity in infants born to mothers who have

had measles lasts longer than in infants born to vaccinated mothers. Nearly

two thirds of infants (65.4%) in the 7th month of life did not have

sufficient maternally derived neutralizing antibodies to protect against

measles.³

It would be interesting to know how/if nursing protects them a bit longer.

Anyway, thought you might find that interesting.

Caroline G.

From: Dawn Dolan <dawndolan@...>

Reply-< >

Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:57:11 -0800 (PST)

< >

Subject: Re: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

ReportsBy THE ASSOCIATED PRES

Bruce, this is what I read in a report that was sent to me. It's called the

Blaylock report. I will copy and paste it below. It may be hard to verify

or

dispute these days as most of us have been vaccinated or our children have.

When young girls catch measles naturally, they

in turn are able to pass this immune protection

on to their babies when they are older, both by

antibody transfer through the placenta and by

way of breast milk after giving birth.

Vaccination with MMR prevents girls from

getting the measles, and it also keeps their

immunity from being transferred to their future

children, who are then born utterly unprotected.

[Guest guest]

I have a newborn and have been reassured that vaccines don't cause autism but

may weaken the immune system? I'm still so confused whether I should vaccinate

my newborn it not to. Any thoughts?? My 4 year old totally regressed after the

MMR. it was a nightmare and don't want to go through it all again...

On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Bruneau <rogerbruneau@...> wrote:

> Thats what we did, we tested for the titers, presented them to our family

doctor and got her to write a deferrment so that our son could go to school. I

am not pro unneccesarry vaccines, but I try not to over react either. We dont

get flu vacinnes because thay are by their nature untested for long term effects

and frequently oversold to the public. However I do believe some vaccines save

many lives, especially in developing nations.

>

>

>

>

>

> From: Bill klimas <klimas_bill@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

ReportsBy THE ASSOCIATED PRES

>

> Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 1:35 PM

>

>

>

> It is not just the vaccines it's the timing and boosters. You can test to see

if

> a child still has immunity and test to see if they have weak immune systems.

We

> should have a program that allow for parents to get their kids vaccinated

> without the danger and then there would be no problem.

>

> ________________________________

> From: <jlhank80@...>

>

> Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 12:21:14 PM

> Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

ReportsBy

> THE ASSOCIATED PRES

>

> right on .

> -Jen

>

> > > >

> > > > Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE

ASSOCIATED

> >PRESS

> > > > Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

> > > >

> > > > LONDON (AP) †" The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism

was

> >based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new

> >report on the widely discredited research.

> >

> > > >

> > > > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues was

> >renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal

> >Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was

connected

> >to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps

> >and rubella have never fully recovered.

> >

> > > >

> > > > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the

paper

> >to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about

patients

> >in their study.

> >

> > > >

> > > > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite the

> >claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until

they

> >had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer

> >also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared

data

> >from medical records and the children's parents.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and

> >requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a

connection

> >between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical

establishment.

> >Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including

> >celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's

> >Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical

> >journal, BMJ.

> >

> > > >

> > > > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues

called

> >Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in other

> >journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in

> >Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the

MMR

> >vaccination and autism.

> >

> > > >

> > > > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there

are

> >sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic

in

> >England and Wales.

> >

> > > >

> > > > ___

> > > >

> > > > Online:

> > > >

> > > > www.bmj.com

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It is a personal decision but I'd be very, very careful vaccinating a sibling of

an ASD child. If you chose to do so use an alternate schedule. Generation

Rescue has one, Cave's book has one, and I think Dr. Sears new book

has one.

> > > > >

> > > > > Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE

ASSOCIATED

> > >PRESS

> > > > > Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

> > > > >

> > > > > LONDON (AP) †" The first study to link a childhood vaccine to

autism was

> > >based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a

new

> > >report on the widely discredited research.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues

was

> > >renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical

journal

> > >Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was

connected

> > >to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles,

mumps

> > >and rubella have never fully recovered.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the

paper

> > >to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about

patients

> > >in their study.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite the

> > >claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until

they

> > >had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems.

Deer

> > >also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared

data

> > >from medical records and the children's parents.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and

> > >requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a

connection

> > >between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical

establishment.

> > >Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including

> > >celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and

Britain's

> > >Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the

medical

> > >journal, BMJ.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues

called

> > >Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in other

> > >journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in

> > >Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the

MMR

> > >vaccination and autism.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there

are

> > >sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed

endemic in

> > >England and Wales.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ___

> > > > >

> > > > > Online:

> > > > >

> > > > > www.bmj.com

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I read her book and she suggested to begin at age 2... Isn't that right?

On Jan 15, 2011, at 8:31 PM, " W " <nicolewallaceouaf@...> wrote:

> It is a personal decision but I'd be very, very careful vaccinating a sibling

of an ASD child. If you chose to do so use an alternate schedule. Generation

Rescue has one, Cave's book has one, and I think Dr. Sears new book

has one.

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE

ASSOCIATED

> > > >PRESS

> > > > > > Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

> > > > > >

> > > > > > LONDON (AP) †" The first study to link a childhood vaccine

to autism was

> > > >based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a

new

> > > >report on the widely discredited research.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues

was

> > > >renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical

journal

> > > >Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was

connected

> > > >to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles,

mumps

> > > >and rubella have never fully recovered.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the

paper

> > > >to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about

patients

> > > >in their study.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite

the

> > > >claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until

they

> > > >had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems.

Deer

> > > >also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he

compared data

> > > >from medical records and the children's parents.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls

and

> > > >requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a

connection

> > > >between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical

establishment.

> > > >Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following

including

> > > >celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and

Britain's

> > > >Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the

medical

> > > >journal, BMJ.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues

called

> > > >Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in

other

> > > >journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine

in

> > > >Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between

the MMR

> > > >vaccination and autism.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and

there are

> > > >sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed

endemic in

> > > >England and Wales.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ___

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Online:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > www.bmj.com

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I would be very careful vaccinating a baby, whose immune system is not fully

developed, especially when you already have an ASD child. Maybe you should

see Dr.’s Goldberg or who are treating the immune system. If you

are nursing I believe you should be on a low allergen diet so you don’t

expose your baby to further immune system triggers.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

W

Sent: January 15, 2011 11:32 PM

Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

ReportsBy THE ASSOCIATED PRES

It is a personal decision but I'd be very, very careful vaccinating a

sibling of an ASD child. If you chose to do so use an alternate schedule.

Generation Rescue has one, Cave's book has one, and I think Dr.

Sears new book has one.

> > > > >

> > > > > Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE

ASSOCIATED

> > >PRESS

> > > > > Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

> > > > >

> > > > > LONDON (AP) †" The first study to link a childhood vaccine to

autism was

> > >based on doctored information about the children involved, according to

a new

> > >report on the widely discredited research.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and

colleagues was

> > >renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical

journal

> > >Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was

connected

> > >to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles,

mumps

> > >and rubella have never fully recovered.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in

the paper

> > >to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about

patients

> > >in their study.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite

the

> > >claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal

until they

> > >had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental

problems. Deer

> > >also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he

compared data

> > >from medical records and the children's parents.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls

and

> > >requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a

connection

> > >between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical

establishment.

> > >Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following

including

> > >celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and

Britain's

> > >Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the

medical

> > >journal, BMJ.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and

colleagues called

> > >Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in

other

> > >journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine

in

> > >Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between

the MMR

> > >vaccination and autism.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and

there are

> > >sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed

endemic in

> > >England and Wales.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ___

> > > > >

> > > > > Online:

> > > > >

> > > > > www.bmj.com

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I believe they stopped requiring it in 2001. We had it in 98.

________________________________

From: " lilhouselin@... " <lilhouselin@...>

Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 12:56:42 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

ReportsBy THE ASSOCIATED PRES

Where can I find these statistics and research about the HEP B that you speak

of? I always thought the Hep. B was a culprit b/c we noticed regression very

early in infancy. I would love to read more about this if anyone has the links,

etc., please pass them on. Thanks.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Fund

Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 11:59 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

ReportsBy THE ASSOCIATED PRES

I would not vaccinate a new born w/ a sibling that has autism. Hold off and do

more research. If the hep B is given at birth the kid is several times more

likely to develop autism (I think it was 2,5 to 3 times more likely). If the

DTAP is given the first 6 mos of life then the child has a much greater chance

of having asthma. The flu vaccine still has mercury. The chicken pox vaccine can

wear off and if you get chicken pox as an adult it's much worse......best to get

chicken pox as a child.

My NT son I held off vaccinating till he was older and we did only a few

vaccines then well spaced out. He is perfectly healthy and smart. Most of his

peers are not healthy. In his kindergarten class, 5 out of 20 kids had severe

food allergies. My son is now 12 years old. He know several kids who have

diabetes, asthma, learning disabilities and bevaioral issues. A lot of his peers

are struggeling academically.....they can't pay attention, focus,poor

coordination, have poor eye contact. etc. THe list of issues with vaccinated

kids goes on and on.

>

> From: Bill klimas <klimas_bill@... <mailto:klimas_bill%40> >

> Subject: Re: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

>ReportsBy THE ASSOCIATED PRES

> <mailto:%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 1:35 PM

>

>

>

> It is not just the vaccines it's the timing and boosters. You can test to see

>if

>

> a child still has immunity and test to see if they have weak immune systems.

We

>

> should have a program that allow for parents to get their kids vaccinated

> without the danger and then there would be no problem.

>

> ________________________________

> From: <jlhank80@... <mailto:jlhank80%40> >

> <mailto:%40>

> Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 12:21:14 PM

> Subject: Re: Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal

>ReportsBy

>

> THE ASSOCIATED PRES

>

> right on .

> -Jen

>

> > > >

> > > > Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE

>ASSOCIATED

>

> >PRESS

> > > > Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

> > > >

> > > > LONDON (AP) †" The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism

was

>

> >based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new

> >report on the widely discredited research.

> >

> > > >

> > > > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and colleagues was

> >renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal

> >Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was

>connected

>

> >to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps

> >and rubella have never fully recovered.

> >

> > > >

> > > > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the

paper

>

> >to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about

>patients

>

> >in their study.

> >

> > > >

> > > > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite the

> >claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until

they

>

> >had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer

> >also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared

>data

>

> >from medical records and the children's parents.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and

> >requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a

>connection

>

> >between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical

>establishment.

>

> >Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including

> >celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's

> >Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical

> >journal, BMJ.

> >

> > > >

> > > > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues

>called

>

> >Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in other

> >journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in

> >Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the

MMR

>

> >vaccination and autism.

> >

> > > >

> > > > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there

>are

>

> >sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic

>in

>

> >England and Wales.

> >

> > > >

> > > > ___

> > > >

> > > > Online:

> > > >

> > > > www.bmj.com

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Okay, simple question. Why the H*** would a newborn baby need the Hep B vaccine

if the mother does not have Hep B?

I am a nurse, always advocated for vaccines until my son disappeared 3 days

after his 18 month shots.

I would not vaccinate a child now until at least 4, then maybe I would be choosy

and have them very spread out. You can never tell who will regress, my son was

perfectly fine before his vaccines.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Study Linking Vaccine to Autism Was Fraud, Journal ReportsBy THE

ASSOCIATED

> > > > >PRESS

> > > > > > > Filed at 12:15 a.m. EST on January 06, 2011

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > LONDON (AP) †" The first study to link a childhood

vaccine to autism was

> > > > >based on doctored information about the children involved, according to

a new

> > > > >report on the widely discredited research.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Wakefield and

colleagues was

> > > > >renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical

journal

> > > > >Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was

connected

> > > > >to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles,

mumps

> > > > >and rubella have never fully recovered.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in

the paper

> > > > >to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about

patients

> > > > >in their study.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The analysis, by British journalist Deer, found that despite

the

> > > > >claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal

until they

> > > > >had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental

problems. Deer

> > > > >also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he

compared data

> > > > >from medical records and the children's parents.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls

and

> > > > >requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a

connection

> > > > >between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical

establishment.

> > > > >Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following

including

> > > > >celebrity supporters like McCarthy.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and

Britain's

> > > > >Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the

medical

> > > > >journal, BMJ.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and

colleagues called

> > > > >Wakefield's study " an elaborate fraud. " They said Wakefield's work in

other

> > > > >journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine

in

> > > > >Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between

the MMR

> > > > >vaccination and autism.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and

there are

> > > > >sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed

endemic in

> > > > >England and Wales.

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ___

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Online:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > www.bmj.com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >