Guest guest Posted February 11, 2001 Report Share Posted February 11, 2001 Pinextra by Vitamune 800-226-1345 Re: Th1 supplements > Could someone list where you get Pine cone extract. > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 Has anyone had any success with this? If so, what's your source and dosage? Thanks, Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 Laurie, Thanks for responding. I'm confused - are you saying grapeseed, pine cone, and aspirin do the same thing? I thought pine cone was taken for immune system balancing. Aspirin surely doesn't do that. Is there more to pine cone extract than what's in grapeseed extract (the proanthocyanidins)? Does Cheney recommend grapeseed in place of pine cone? Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 The active ingrediant is proanthocyanidins -- the same as in grapeseed extract (which is a lot cheaper).. See http://lassesen.com/cfids/grapeseed.htm It does the same as aspirin but without the bleeding risk... > Has anyone had any success with this? If so, what's your source and dosage? > > Thanks, > > Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 Actually Ken (forgot that I was not signed on) All of the benefits reported for pine seed extract is also reported for proanthocyanidins -- hence the question is what is the cheapest source.. The benefits contains aspirin's benefits, but also a LOT more... namely: * decrease platelet aggregation, increase platelet-derived NO release, and decrease superoxide production * decrease total cholesterol and LDL levels significantly strong antioxidant activity, antibacterial, antiviral, anticarcinogenic, anti-inflammatory, anti-allergic, and vasodilatory actions. * inhibit lipid peroxidation, platelet aggregation, capillary permeability and fragility see http://www.lassesen.com/cfids/grapeseed.htm for the Medline links for the above... I could not find any benefit that appears to be unique to pine seed extract that was not reported as a benefit from proanthocyanidins... (please correct me if I'm wrong...) Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 Rich, That's what I suspected but wasn't sure. Does anyone know if taking Pinextra and Isoprinosine is potentially too much shifting? Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 Ken and the group, I think a distinction needs to be made between Pine Cone Extract (Pinextra) and extracts from pine bark or grape seeds (Pycnogenol, OPCs, oligomeric proanthocyanidins). The first is directed at shiftin the immune response from type 2 (Th2) to type 1 (Th1). The second is used primarily for its powerful antioxidant action. I think that both can be beneficial in CFS. Rich > Actually Ken (forgot that I was not signed on) > > All of the benefits reported for pine seed extract is also reported > for proanthocyanidins -- hence the question is what is the cheapest > source.. The benefits contains aspirin's benefits, but also a LOT > more... namely: > > * decrease platelet aggregation, increase platelet-derived NO > release, and decrease superoxide production > > * decrease total cholesterol and LDL levels significantly strong > antioxidant activity, antibacterial, antiviral, anticarcinogenic, > anti-inflammatory, anti-allergic, and vasodilatory actions. > > * inhibit lipid peroxidation, platelet aggregation, capillary > permeability and fragility > > see http://www.lassesen.com/cfids/grapeseed.htm for the Medline > links for the above... > > I could not find any benefit that appears to be unique to pine seed > extract that was not reported as a benefit from proanthocyanidins... > (please correct me if I'm wrong...) > Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 > Does anyone know if taking Pinextra and Isoprinosine is potentially too much shifting? I think that Cheney recommends both for at least some of his patients. I also get the impression that isoprinosine is the stronger shifter. Pinextra is more used for its anticancer properties. If NK cell function is low additional anticancer protection is desirable. These are just the impressions I have gotten reading this list. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2002 Report Share Posted March 24, 2002 I've tried to contact the company on this, but can't seem to reach them (they have no e-mail address, that I could see). Does Pine Extra have alcohol in it? Thanks, Zippy P.S. Thanks Andrienne for your answer on the shades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2002 Report Share Posted May 14, 2002 Hi a. The following is from a post made recently on this list. The e-mail address didn't copy as a link but you can find it in the Members link on the left side of the web page or at post #42285. Tom For those who do not know, I buy the Pinextra at wholesale by the case using a retailer/business license and sell it to group members at decent savings. I sell it for $45 dollars plus $3 shipping. It is the same that cheney uses/recommends. Its regular price is $60. If you would ever like to order from me just email me: clemsonjk@y... Thanks and take care, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 pinextra is the specific pine cone extract which Cheney recommends. http://pinextraextract.com/ > Does anyone have any progress reports of taking this supplement as an > immune modulator? It seems to be slow to catch on despite Cheney's > recommendation and none of the major supplement traders appears to carry > it. Why is that? > > Rob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2010 Report Share Posted November 24, 2010 According to Dr Cheney, Pine Cone extract can help in shifting the immune system from one mode to another. http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-articles/dr.-cheney\ :-balance-the-immune-system-(th1%10th2)-/ Any experiences with this supplement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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