RE: Re: Experience with potty training : need help

[Guest guest]

Marcia,

My son just turned 6 today. I would say he is still " schedule trained " with

a few spontaneous initiations. However, since starting Celexa 11 days ago he

has totally regressed with toileting. We are panicked because he is starting

a new typical kk class with a shadow this tomorrow. HE CANNOT HAVE ACCIDENTS

or we risk going back to special ed!!! Do you know if starting an SSRI can

have this effect? He is on day 11 of Celexa. Also we have noticed that he is

not regular anymore with his BM since the start of Celexa. This has never

been an issue for him.

We have already sent in an SOS email to Dr. G but would love to have your

perspective. Or anyone else's for that matter.

Many thanks,

Martha

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:38 AM, and Marcia Hinds <

hindssite@...> wrote:

>

>

> When was young my son never gave me an indication one way or another

> that he was ready to be toilet trained. We read books and watched videos

> about " the potty " long before we ever started training. Since he never

> showed me the signs he was ready, I waited until he was three and a half. I

> woke up one day and decided it was time for him to start.

>

> I used the same methods I did with my " typical " daughter. Although

> acted oblivious to all my actions, he wasn't. I put up a piece of

> construction paper on the wall of the bathroom. We got in the car and went

> to Target. I made a big deal out of picking out stickers at the store. One

> kind of sticker was for " Pee Pee " and one for " Poopie. " We also picked out

> " big boy " underpants.

>

> We stayed home for two days and I put him in the underpants. (I didn't use

> pull-ups because our kids hate the feeling of being wet) We continued to

> read potty books and talk about it even though he gave me no indication one

> way or another he was listening to me.

>

> When I had to use the restroom, I would put him on the toilet next. My

> needs reminded me not to forget to put him on the toilet. The first time he

> used the toilet, we danced around the house, called Dad, and were singing

> with delight this stupid song that our family always sings when something

> great happens. Within two days, he was trained for daytime. I didn't even

> attempt nighttime until he woke up dry. Then I yanked off the diaper and

> put him on the toilet.

>

> If you wait for signs, it will never happen. That is part of the problem

> with our kind of kids. I never knew one way or another if he cared or

> understood a thing I said. This is truly a big issue with language too. I

> think parents sometimes stop talking to their kids because they get no

> feedback, a smile or clue they are hearing us. This is a common mistake

> parents make. The hardest thing I ever did was to keep talking to a kid

> that was unresponsive. It wasn't until he was older that I realized he was

> listening but didn't know how to respond or us the nonverbal signs that

> showed he was listening.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Marcia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes this happens a lot, and it usually eases up pretty quickly.  Maybe you can

get a letter from Dr G stating that the new med is causing this & that it will

pass...

________________________________

From: Martha Wood <marthawood70@...>

Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 9:10:35 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Experience with potty training : need help

Marcia,

My son just turned 6 today. I would say he is still " schedule trained " with

a few spontaneous initiations. However, since starting Celexa 11 days ago he

has totally regressed with toileting. We are panicked because he is starting

a new typical kk class with a shadow this tomorrow. HE CANNOT HAVE ACCIDENTS

or we risk going back to special ed!!! Do you know if starting an SSRI can

have this effect? He is on day 11 of Celexa. Also we have noticed that he is

not regular anymore with his BM since the start of Celexa. This has never

been an issue for him.

We have already sent in an SOS email to Dr. G but would love to have your

perspective. Or anyone else's for that matter.

Many thanks,

Martha

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:38 AM, and Marcia Hinds <

hindssite@...> wrote:

>

>

> When was young my son never gave me an indication one way or another

> that he was ready to be toilet trained. We read books and watched videos

> about " the potty " long before we ever started training. Since he never

> showed me the signs he was ready, I waited until he was three and a half. I

> woke up one day and decided it was time for him to start.

>

> I used the same methods I did with my " typical " daughter. Although

> acted oblivious to all my actions, he wasn't. I put up a piece of

> construction paper on the wall of the bathroom. We got in the car and went

> to Target. I made a big deal out of picking out stickers at the store. One

> kind of sticker was for " Pee Pee " and one for " Poopie. " We also picked out

> " big boy " underpants.

>

> We stayed home for two days and I put him in the underpants. (I didn't use

> pull-ups because our kids hate the feeling of being wet) We continued to

> read potty books and talk about it even though he gave me no indication one

> way or another he was listening to me.

>

> When I had to use the restroom, I would put him on the toilet next. My

> needs reminded me not to forget to put him on the toilet. The first time he

> used the toilet, we danced around the house, called Dad, and were singing

> with delight this stupid song that our family always sings when something

> great happens. Within two days, he was trained for daytime. I didn't even

> attempt nighttime until he woke up dry. Then I yanked off the diaper and

> put him on the toilet.

>

> If you wait for signs, it will never happen. That is part of the problem

> with our kind of kids. I never knew one way or another if he cared or

> understood a thing I said. This is truly a big issue with language too. I

> think parents sometimes stop talking to their kids because they get no

> feedback, a smile or clue they are hearing us. This is a common mistake

> parents make. The hardest thing I ever did was to keep talking to a kid

> that was unresponsive. It wasn't until he was older that I realized he was

> listening but didn't know how to respond or us the nonverbal signs that

> showed he was listening.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Marcia

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son took celexia and it did not interfere with his potty trainings or bm at

all. A change of diet may be effecting it....

On Jan 20, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Martha Wood <marthawood70@...> wrote:

> Marcia,

> My son just turned 6 today. I would say he is still " schedule trained " with

> a few spontaneous initiations. However, since starting Celexa 11 days ago he

> has totally regressed with toileting. We are panicked because he is starting

> a new typical kk class with a shadow this tomorrow. HE CANNOT HAVE ACCIDENTS

> or we risk going back to special ed!!! Do you know if starting an SSRI can

> have this effect? He is on day 11 of Celexa. Also we have noticed that he is

> not regular anymore with his BM since the start of Celexa. This has never

> been an issue for him.

>

> We have already sent in an SOS email to Dr. G but would love to have your

> perspective. Or anyone else's for that matter.

> Many thanks,

> Martha

>

> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:38 AM, and Marcia Hinds <

> hindssite@...> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> When was young my son never gave me an indication one way or another

>> that he was ready to be toilet trained. We read books and watched videos

>> about " the potty " long before we ever started training. Since he never

>> showed me the signs he was ready, I waited until he was three and a half. I

>> woke up one day and decided it was time for him to start.

>>

>> I used the same methods I did with my " typical " daughter. Although

>> acted oblivious to all my actions, he wasn't. I put up a piece of

>> construction paper on the wall of the bathroom. We got in the car and went

>> to Target. I made a big deal out of picking out stickers at the store. One

>> kind of sticker was for " Pee Pee " and one for " Poopie. " We also picked out

>> " big boy " underpants.

>>

>> We stayed home for two days and I put him in the underpants. (I didn't use

>> pull-ups because our kids hate the feeling of being wet) We continued to

>> read potty books and talk about it even though he gave me no indication one

>> way or another he was listening to me.

>>

>> When I had to use the restroom, I would put him on the toilet next. My

>> needs reminded me not to forget to put him on the toilet. The first time he

>> used the toilet, we danced around the house, called Dad, and were singing

>> with delight this stupid song that our family always sings when something

>> great happens. Within two days, he was trained for daytime. I didn't even

>> attempt nighttime until he woke up dry. Then I yanked off the diaper and

>> put him on the toilet.

>>

>> If you wait for signs, it will never happen. That is part of the problem

>> with our kind of kids. I never knew one way or another if he cared or

>> understood a thing I said. This is truly a big issue with language too. I

>> think parents sometimes stop talking to their kids because they get no

>> feedback, a smile or clue they are hearing us. This is a common mistake

>> parents make. The hardest thing I ever did was to keep talking to a kid

>> that was unresponsive. It wasn't until he was older that I realized he was

>> listening but didn't know how to respond or us the nonverbal signs that

>> showed he was listening.

>>

>> Hope this helps,

>>

>> Marcia

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

OH thank you. Great feedback.

Martha

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:25 AM, <thecolemans4@...>wrote:

>

>

> Yes this happens a lot, and it usually eases up pretty quickly. Maybe you

> can

> get a letter from Dr G stating that the new med is causing this & that it

> will

> pass...

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Martha Wood <marthawood70@... <marthawood70%40gmail.com>>

> <%40>

> Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 9:10:35 AM

> Subject: Re: Re: Experience with potty training : need help

>

>

> Marcia,

> My son just turned 6 today. I would say he is still " schedule trained " with

> a few spontaneous initiations. However, since starting Celexa 11 days ago

> he

> has totally regressed with toileting. We are panicked because he is

> starting

> a new typical kk class with a shadow this tomorrow. HE CANNOT HAVE

> ACCIDENTS

> or we risk going back to special ed!!! Do you know if starting an SSRI can

> have this effect? He is on day 11 of Celexa. Also we have noticed that he

> is

> not regular anymore with his BM since the start of Celexa. This has never

> been an issue for him.

>

> We have already sent in an SOS email to Dr. G but would love to have your

> perspective. Or anyone else's for that matter.

> Many thanks,

> Martha

>

> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:38 AM, and Marcia Hinds <

> hindssite@... <hindssite%40verizon.net>> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > When was young my son never gave me an indication one way or another

> > that he was ready to be toilet trained. We read books and watched videos

> > about " the potty " long before we ever started training. Since he never

> > showed me the signs he was ready, I waited until he was three and a half.

> I

> > woke up one day and decided it was time for him to start.

> >

> > I used the same methods I did with my " typical " daughter. Although

> > acted oblivious to all my actions, he wasn't. I put up a piece of

> > construction paper on the wall of the bathroom. We got in the car and

> went

> > to Target. I made a big deal out of picking out stickers at the store.

> One

> > kind of sticker was for " Pee Pee " and one for " Poopie. " We also picked

> out

> > " big boy " underpants.

> >

> > We stayed home for two days and I put him in the underpants. (I didn't

> use

> > pull-ups because our kids hate the feeling of being wet) We continued to

> > read potty books and talk about it even though he gave me no indication

> one

> > way or another he was listening to me.

> >

> > When I had to use the restroom, I would put him on the toilet next. My

> > needs reminded me not to forget to put him on the toilet. The first time

> he

> > used the toilet, we danced around the house, called Dad, and were singing

> > with delight this stupid song that our family always sings when something

> > great happens. Within two days, he was trained for daytime. I didn't even

> > attempt nighttime until he woke up dry. Then I yanked off the diaper and

> > put him on the toilet.

> >

> > If you wait for signs, it will never happen. That is part of the problem

> > with our kind of kids. I never knew one way or another if he cared or

> > understood a thing I said. This is truly a big issue with language too. I

> > think parents sometimes stop talking to their kids because they get no

> > feedback, a smile or clue they are hearing us. This is a common mistake

> > parents make. The hardest thing I ever did was to keep talking to a kid

> > that was unresponsive. It wasn't until he was older that I realized he

> was

> > listening but didn't know how to respond or us the nonverbal signs that

> > showed he was listening.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > Marcia

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My son is also 6 years old, i remember same his pee accidents after starting

new med not sure celexa or tenex. anyway my son was potty trained from 4 and

half years old .We saw this for few days and it's gone looks like he knows he

need to go washroom but wont go keep on running here and there anyway it stopped

after few days and he was also constipated then Dr G asked us to start mineral

oil twice a day and now he is not constipated.

Anitha

From: thecolemans4@...

Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:25:41 -0800

Subject: Re: Re: Experience with potty training : need help

Yes this happens a lot, and it usually eases up pretty quickly. Maybe you can

get a letter from Dr G stating that the new med is causing this & that it will

pass...

________________________________

From: Martha Wood <marthawood70@...>

Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 9:10:35 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Experience with potty training : need help

Marcia,

My son just turned 6 today. I would say he is still " schedule trained " with

a few spontaneous initiations. However, since starting Celexa 11 days ago he

has totally regressed with toileting. We are panicked because he is starting

a new typical kk class with a shadow this tomorrow. HE CANNOT HAVE ACCIDENTS

or we risk going back to special ed!!! Do you know if starting an SSRI can

have this effect? He is on day 11 of Celexa. Also we have noticed that he is

not regular anymore with his BM since the start of Celexa. This has never

been an issue for him.

We have already sent in an SOS email to Dr. G but would love to have your

perspective. Or anyone else's for that matter.

Many thanks,

Martha

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:38 AM, and Marcia Hinds <

hindssite@...> wrote:

>

>

> When was young my son never gave me an indication one way or another

> that he was ready to be toilet trained. We read books and watched videos

> about " the potty " long before we ever started training. Since he never

> showed me the signs he was ready, I waited until he was three and a half. I

> woke up one day and decided it was time for him to start.

>

> I used the same methods I did with my " typical " daughter. Although

> acted oblivious to all my actions, he wasn't. I put up a piece of

> construction paper on the wall of the bathroom. We got in the car and went

> to Target. I made a big deal out of picking out stickers at the store. One

> kind of sticker was for " Pee Pee " and one for " Poopie. " We also picked out

> " big boy " underpants.

>

> We stayed home for two days and I put him in the underpants. (I didn't use

> pull-ups because our kids hate the feeling of being wet) We continued to

> read potty books and talk about it even though he gave me no indication one

> way or another he was listening to me.

>

> When I had to use the restroom, I would put him on the toilet next. My

> needs reminded me not to forget to put him on the toilet. The first time he

> used the toilet, we danced around the house, called Dad, and were singing

> with delight this stupid song that our family always sings when something

> great happens. Within two days, he was trained for daytime. I didn't even

> attempt nighttime until he woke up dry. Then I yanked off the diaper and

> put him on the toilet.

>

> If you wait for signs, it will never happen. That is part of the problem

> with our kind of kids. I never knew one way or another if he cared or

> understood a thing I said. This is truly a big issue with language too. I

> think parents sometimes stop talking to their kids because they get no

> feedback, a smile or clue they are hearing us. This is a common mistake

> parents make. The hardest thing I ever did was to keep talking to a kid

> that was unresponsive. It wasn't until he was older that I realized he was

> listening but didn't know how to respond or us the nonverbal signs that

> showed he was listening.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Marcia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Martha,

11 days is a long time to be having that go on, but maybe it will subside.

This is something we have experienced repeatedly (with SSRIs) with our two

boys who are patients of Dr. G. When we increase or change SSRIs, we've

sometimes had bedwetting (when he had been dry at night) and daytime

accidents (even in middle school). Their bodies seemed to generally adjust

within 3-5 days, though.

It's frustrating, but it happens. I think my youngest son wore pull-ups to

kindergarten at the beginning. I didn't even potty train him until the

summer before kindergarten because he was having seizures all of the time

and my pediatrician agreed with putting it off because the bathroom was a

very dangerous place for him (plus whenever he seized, he wet his pants).

The way little boys dress (baggy pants and long shirts), nobody has to know

about a pull-up. I bought my boys the cargo pants at WalMart that have

elastic waists. Gap Kids also makes some that have a hook (like a skirt

hook) instead of a snap or button (and an adjustable waistband). Those are

great.

One other thing I thought of... for both of my sons (for privacy), it

worked better for them to go into the stall to use the restroom...

especially with the elastic waist pants (no fly). In fact, my high school

son still prefers the stall. It keeps them away from the potty pranks that

little boys like to do and therefore keeps them out of trouble. If there's

a pull-up, then the stall is a good way to be discreet.

On the bright side, both of my sons teachers were thrilled when they started

SSRIs because the boys started talking to other children for the first time.

Hang in there... my older son is now pulling straight A's in honors classes

in high school (but socially has a long way to go), and the younger made

honor roll (just one this past semester in 4th grade and just got a

pretty good sized part in the school musical. I'm still in shock over that

one (and his teacher from last year cast him in the part!). This is a child

who was COMPLETELY lost in kindergarten... at that point he was still

relearning to talk after the seizures robbed him of his speech. At that

point, I was told (by his speech therapist) that he presented like a stroke

victim. He has come a long, long, way.

Best of luck...

Caroline G.

> From: Martha Wood <marthawood70@...>

> Reply-< >

> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:10:35 -0600

> < >

> Subject: Re: Re: Experience with potty training : need help

>

> Marcia,

> My son just turned 6 today. I would say he is still " schedule trained " with

> a few spontaneous initiations. However, since starting Celexa 11 days ago he

> has totally regressed with toileting. We are panicked because he is starting

> a new typical kk class with a shadow this tomorrow. HE CANNOT HAVE ACCIDENTS

> or we risk going back to special ed!!! Do you know if starting an SSRI can

> have this effect? He is on day 11 of Celexa. Also we have noticed that he is

> not regular anymore with his BM since the start of Celexa. This has never

> been an issue for him.

>

> We have already sent in an SOS email to Dr. G but would love to have your

> perspective. Or anyone else's for that matter.

> Many thanks,

> Martha

>

> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:38 AM, and Marcia Hinds <

> hindssite@...> wrote:

[Guest guest]

Caroline,

Thank you so much. It is so helpful to hear the succes of older kids

on the protocol.

Best,

Martha

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Caroline Glover <sfglover@...> wrote:

> Martha,

>

> 11 days is a long time to be having that go on, but maybe it will

> subside.

>

> This is something we have experienced repeatedly (with SSRIs) with

> our two

> boys who are patients of Dr. G. When we increase or change SSRIs,

> we've

> sometimes had bedwetting (when he had been dry at night) and daytime

> accidents (even in middle school). Their bodies seemed to generally

> adjust

> within 3-5 days, though.

>

> It's frustrating, but it happens. I think my youngest son wore pull-

> ups to

> kindergarten at the beginning. I didn't even potty train him until the

> summer before kindergarten because he was having seizures all of the

> time

> and my pediatrician agreed with putting it off because the bathroom

> was a

> very dangerous place for him (plus whenever he seized, he wet his

> pants).

> The way little boys dress (baggy pants and long shirts), nobody has

> to know

> about a pull-up. I bought my boys the cargo pants at WalMart that have

> elastic waists. Gap Kids also makes some that have a hook (like a

> skirt

> hook) instead of a snap or button (and an adjustable waistband).

> Those are

> great.

>

> One other thing I thought of... for both of my sons (for privacy), it

> worked better for them to go into the stall to use the restroom...

> especially with the elastic waist pants (no fly). In fact, my high

> school

> son still prefers the stall. It keeps them away from the potty

> pranks that

> little boys like to do and therefore keeps them out of trouble. If

> there's

> a pull-up, then the stall is a good way to be discreet.

>

> On the bright side, both of my sons teachers were thrilled when they

> started

> SSRIs because the boys started talking to other children for the

> first time.

>

> Hang in there... my older son is now pulling straight A's in honors

> classes

> in high school (but socially has a long way to go), and the younger

> made

> honor roll (just one this past semester in 4th grade and just got a

> pretty good sized part in the school musical. I'm still in shock

> over that

> one (and his teacher from last year cast him in the part!). This is

> a child

> who was COMPLETELY lost in kindergarten... at that point he was still

> relearning to talk after the seizures robbed him of his speech. At

> that

> point, I was told (by his speech therapist) that he presented like a

> stroke

> victim. He has come a long, long, way.

>

> Best of luck...

> Caroline G.

>

> > From: Martha Wood <marthawood70@...>

> > Reply-< >

> > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:10:35 -0600

> > < >

> > Subject: Re: Re: Experience with potty training : need help

> >

> > Marcia,

> > My son just turned 6 today. I would say he is still " schedule

> trained " with

> > a few spontaneous initiations. However, since starting Celexa 11

> days ago he

> > has totally regressed with toileting. We are panicked because he

> is starting

> > a new typical kk class with a shadow this tomorrow. HE CANNOT HAVE

> ACCIDENTS

> > or we risk going back to special ed!!! Do you know if starting an

> SSRI can

> > have this effect? He is on day 11 of Celexa. Also we have noticed

> that he is

> > not regular anymore with his BM since the start of Celexa. This

> has never

> > been an issue for him.

> >

> > We have already sent in an SOS email to Dr. G but would love to

> have your

> > perspective. Or anyone else's for that matter.

> > Many thanks,

> > Martha

> >

> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:38 AM, and Marcia Hinds <

> > hindssite@...> wrote:

>

>