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  • 10 months later...

>>> can anyone tell me what this is. thankyou tina

This is an older diet that eliminates any food that requires the

digestive enzymes found in the gut intestines (not the pancreas). The

enzymes are produced in the little villi in the gut lining. When the

villi are damaged or inflammed, the enzymes are not produced and

functioning well.

The feeling is that either bad bacteria or yeast damage the

intenstines and thus those enzymes are not functioning so those foods

are not well digested. OR the gut becomes injured for some other

reason and so the food needing those enzymes isn't sufficiently

digested.

In either case, any food not sufficiently digested moves on to the

lower intestines and colon and becomes food and fuel for the bad

bacteria and yeast. This perpetuates 'the vicious cycle'. The SCD =

the Specific Carbohydrate Diet because only those carbs or food need

the intestinal enzymes for full digestion are removed. You can eat

anything else. You eliminate those foods which will starve out the

pathogens, heal the gut, and thus your return to health.

SCD has two parts. 1) remove foods needing those enzymes (stops the

damage), and 2) add in special homemade yogurt which has a healing

effect and provides a high amount of probiotics in a whole food form.

Using digestive enzymes and probiotics is the same approach - ensure

sufficient digestion of whatever food is eaten. Probiotics can

produce digestive enzymes. Whether one method or the other, or a

combination of both, or neither will be helpful will depend on the

individual and the degree and type of their problems - same as usual.

A number of people previously GFCF and doctors are now advocating SCD

because either the child did not get well after years and years on

GFCF (and in some cases got worse), or they realized GFCF was causing

and worsening bad bacteria and yeast problems...not remedying them.

The main site for SCD is www.pecanbread.com.

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Hi ,

Funny that you asked. I am going to start full force over Christmas

Holidays. We are still going to stay CFSF (SCD is GF). We are

going to focus more on Nut Flours if we need to use them.

Have you started the SCD diet (Specific Carbohydrate Diet)? I don't

think it is going to be too much harder than what we have been doing

for over 2 years. Maybe we can share recipes that the boys like.

Here are some links for those of you wondering what this might be

about:

http://www.pecanbread.com

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

http://www.scdiet.com

Theresa, SA

> Theresa,

>

> Are you doing the SCD diet??

>

>

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Hi ,

Funny that you asked. I am going to start full force over Christmas

Holidays. We are still going to stay CFSF (SCD is GF). We are

going to focus more on Nut Flours if we need to use them.

Have you started the SCD diet (Specific Carbohydrate Diet)? I don't

think it is going to be too much harder than what we have been doing

for over 2 years. Maybe we can share recipes that the boys like.

Here are some links for those of you wondering what this might be

about:

http://www.pecanbread.com

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

http://www.scdiet.com

Theresa, SA

> Theresa,

>

> Are you doing the SCD diet??

>

>

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Hey Theresa. We are doing the SCD diet. We have only

been on it for 2wks and Masons fungal infection on his

thumb is almost cleared up. Once you have done the

GFCF diet SCD is not that much of big deal. However,

Mason really loved chips of all kinds - doritoes,

fritoes, lays chips, popcorn. They were a big

reinforcer for him during ABA sessions. But now he

has cashews and almonds and a yummy smoothie. What a

healthy boy. Keep me posted when you start. Liz in

Dallas.

--- Theresa Madore <autismzone@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Hi ,

Funny that you asked. I am going to start full force

over Christmas

Holidays. We are still going to stay CFSF (SCD is

GF). We are

going to focus more on Nut Flours if we need to use

them.

Have you started the SCD diet (Specific Carbohydrate

Diet)? I don't

think it is going to be too much harder than what we

have been doing

for over 2 years. Maybe we can share recipes that the

boys like.

Here are some links for those of you wondering what

this might be

about:

http://www.pecanbread.com

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

http://www.scdiet.com

Theresa, SA

> Theresa,

>

> Are you doing the SCD diet??

>

>

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Hey Theresa. We are doing the SCD diet. We have only

been on it for 2wks and Masons fungal infection on his

thumb is almost cleared up. Once you have done the

GFCF diet SCD is not that much of big deal. However,

Mason really loved chips of all kinds - doritoes,

fritoes, lays chips, popcorn. They were a big

reinforcer for him during ABA sessions. But now he

has cashews and almonds and a yummy smoothie. What a

healthy boy. Keep me posted when you start. Liz in

Dallas.

--- Theresa Madore <autismzone@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Hi ,

Funny that you asked. I am going to start full force

over Christmas

Holidays. We are still going to stay CFSF (SCD is

GF). We are

going to focus more on Nut Flours if we need to use

them.

Have you started the SCD diet (Specific Carbohydrate

Diet)? I don't

think it is going to be too much harder than what we

have been doing

for over 2 years. Maybe we can share recipes that the

boys like.

Here are some links for those of you wondering what

this might be

about:

http://www.pecanbread.com

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

http://www.scdiet.com

Theresa, SA

> Theresa,

>

> Are you doing the SCD diet??

>

>

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Dear ,

Thanks for all the info about SCD and how it has helped so many

people.

About your thyroid problem. When I had candida 18 years ago I had

low (hypo) thyroid so my M.D. put me on natural dessicated thyroid.

Then towards the end of my program my thyroid suddenly changed and

went the other way to Grave's disease. It was so serious there was a

chance of having a stroke or heart attack so it was zapped with

radiation. Today I don't have a thyroid and have to take medications

every day for the rest of my life.

I sincerely believe that tampering with my thyroid in the beginning

caused a lot of problems with it. Candida causes low thyroid and

erratic thryoid problems, along with many other hormone problems, but

they normalize once you overcome the candida. It may appear that the

thyroid is not functioning properly but candida causes the cells to

go rigid so thyroid hormones can't get where they belong even though

the thyroid itself may be okay.

I wouldn't want anyone else to go through what I did and lose their

thyroid. The main focus should be on " intensively " and " strictly "

overcoming the candida and not on trying to balance hormones.

Balancing or treating with hormones is at the wrong end of the

problem. Candida is the problem, not the thyroid. Treating with

hormones just gives the body another complicated factor to deal

with. And in the end the body may rebel like mine did.

I hope that helps you.

Take good care,

Bee

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It means specific carbohydrate diet, although for lots of us it will mean cassein free too, if there is problems with cassein.

Thanks everyone for the replies, I will look at all the websites and see if I can gear myself up, well I have to really!

It's so tough when your child has so many other individual intolerances and I am the most uninspired cook around, never know how to substitute lol.

I can't take the potatos out of everyone else's diet, there would be serious rioting if I do lol, maybe I will stagger meal times, don't like the idea of him sitting with the others having what they want.

When we did GF/CF I thought his craving for bread was a gluten thing and he just liked potatoes but ofcourse it was yeast feeding he was after all along.

Thanks

Vicky

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If you type SCD into google you find quite a few sites with recipes on

them. Tom's new favourite is SCD lasagne with courgette as the

pasta. He wouldn't normally touch a courgette but he does in this

recipe. If you stick to meat and veg you'll be ok - it is tough

getting rid of potatoes but they are allowed carrots which you can

roast and come out a bit like roast potatoes.

>

> I think I'm ready to take the bull by the horns and start this!

> After GF/CF nightmare I have been putting it off for so long.

> Is there a website for people in the U.K. doing SCD, I find the

> American version pretty difficult to follow, as usual looking for

the

> simplest version.

> I like the yogurt idea, how is it made, and how do we wean a potato

> freak child off his fave food?

> We absolutely have to be milk free and fruit free, if memory serves

me

> well I think there was fruit in this diet.

> TIA

> Vicky

>

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When you all say SCD is it Casien free too?

> >

> > I think I'm ready to take the bull by the horns and start this!

> > After GF/CF nightmare I have been putting it off for so long.

> > Is there a website for people in the U.K. doing SCD, I find the

> > American version pretty difficult to follow, as usual looking for

> the

> > simplest version.

> > I like the yogurt idea, how is it made, and how do we wean a

potato

> > freak child off his fave food?

> > We absolutely have to be milk free and fruit free, if memory

serves

> me

> > well I think there was fruit in this diet.

> > TIA

> > Vicky

> >

>

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Hi Vicky there is a website for people in UK. There is a link from on

of the other sites suggested already. However I didn't find it that

helpful as it is not really autism/children related, mostly adults

with other conditions. There is a group you might want to look

at pecanbread Many on this site are treating children

and autism (some who are on this site as well).

For what its worth I had to brace myself as well! I am second time

round on SCD and going slowly and getting results.

We were doing GF/CF but I found this diet increasingly unhealthy and

full of starch. I considered SCD to help with yeast and so far it is

working well. I also wanted my child to eat natural foods fruit, veg,

meat but on the GF/CF diet his diet was mostly GF/CF pancakes, yes

potatoes, chips and more potatoes. I remember posting to some dear

person who was encouraging me to do SCD that there was no way in this

earth we could live with out potatoes!! Cian would not entertain veg

unless covered in the 'ould spud, not would he even touch fruit let

alone eat it.

- Wrong!

After reading the book breaking the vicious cycle and the science

behind the diet I was a little more convinced that sugar and starch

had to go. Unfortunately that included potato but Vicky I fought long

and hard with my old thinking patterns and it took me a while to pep

myself for this regime.

However (and I still can't believe it), Cian's diet has completely

changed. He now eats meats (organic) fruits that I allow him to have

(low sugar) and veg with out potato. In fact our dinners now are like

something out of a Oliver cookbook (but much more nutritious as

there is no sugar, full cream etc. etc.

You know Bowl of homemade avocado and chicken broth followed

by 'baked salmon with olive oil garlic and lemon on a bed of steamed

squash,leek and bacon sauce' and for afters a natural yoghurt and

pear smoothie topped with organic raspberries. Now how does that

compare to chips and beans with Swedish ice-cream (full of soya and

sugar) for afters?

The yoghurt recipe is on the site already posted and I remember

thinking 'Oh my God how complicated I could never do that and he will

never eat it' - Wrong and Wrong. It is so easy to make a blind man

could do it and he loves it! So I hope this encourages you. There are

different ways to make the yoghurt but I bought a yoghurt maker from

Lakeland. A whole pot does a week at the moment. His intake may be

increased as time goes on.

You havn't said why you have to be milk free and fruit free so maybe

you will not be able to take the yohurt as it is made from goats or

cows milk. I do goats and it is fine so far.

Re:fruit I use enzymes (no-fenol from Houstons. Also I use all

Houstons enzyme at the moment. there is a UK supplier if you want

email me.

I would like to say I am not hung up on diets but I do believe in

natural and as organic and nutritious as one can so to get on with

the biomedical needs of the child. I havn't started chelation

yet 'cause I am working so hard on ridding him of yeast and getting

my wee man regularly which thank God is happening.

Also I have the assurance that if nothing else comes out of it at

least he is getting the best diet I can provide for him.

With much encouragement and hope for you and yours

Aileen

>

> I think I'm ready to take the bull by the horns and start this!

> After GF/CF nightmare I have been putting it off for so long.

> Is there a website for people in the U.K. doing SCD, I find the

> American version pretty difficult to follow, as usual looking for

the

> simplest version.

> I like the yogurt idea, how is it made, and how do we wean a

potato

> freak child off his fave food?

> We absolutely have to be milk free and fruit free, if memory

serves me

> well I think there was fruit in this diet.

> TIA

> Vicky

>

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Hi Vicky

Yep the old Irish thing made me laugh. I remember posting

'No way can I do without potatoes For God Sake I'm Irish' LOL but we

have and when I say we I mean hubbie and all and boy doesn't he love

his grub!! Have to say a meal out now together takes on a whole new

meaning - we get so excited at the menu we leave the waiters looking

as if we never seen food before!

Evening was bad for us. Cian was in so much pain for years even on

GF/CF, crying, yuky pooh, spaced most of the time etc etc I had to do

something

There is an enzyme that someone suggested to me Vicky and they went

back to it after trying houstons so I'll look it up. I have a funny

feeling it is not the one you have noted here so unfortunately I

can't help you with that one.

Also you could make the exchange real slow leaving potatoes to last?

but they do say SCD has to be 100%

Also I am doing it with no nuts no honey and no sugar apart from a

little pear,peach and apple sauce given early in the day. I am going

to do this for six months, two months which has gone , then intend to

introduce nuts and honey - trying to give him the best chance to get

yeast under control.

Hopefully getting tests soon to do more biomedical stuff but I would

like this weeing to get sorted re:other post

Aileen

>

> Thanks Aileen for your really encouraging post, I have a hunch you

will

> understand that as we come from an Irish background this is a

culture shock,

> husband has already reminded me his ancestrors all fled the Country

at the time

> of the potato famine, and here am I enforcing one lol.

> would sit and polish off a meal of potatoes on their own and

still

> scrounge off the rest of us!

> We have never really got on well with nofenol, AF is fine though,

so don't

> know what to think about the fruit, we always get gloopy pooh and

behaviours

> when he has some.

> Have you tried the Kirkmans enzyme specific for Carbs? I suppose

on it's

> own it wouldn't be enough.

> We are already fruit and milk free, low sugar, enzymes etc but

every time he

> eats he has problems and eveninig time is the worst of all so I

suspect the

> daily build up really hits then and no getting away from it we are

pretty high

> carb in here.

> Thanks

> Vicky

>

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In a message dated 8/25/2006 5:06:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mpjldalton@... writes:

Have any of you tried this diet on your children? If so, what results

did you see?

WE did the diet and saw a wonderful calm child who focused better, but after

a month, he became very thin as a result. We moved it to half SCD and half

CFGF and that has been good for him. NCD has made the biggest wonder change in

him so far though.

Jule

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we put jake on the scd diet about four months after the gfcf diet...we had

FANTASTIC results...more awareness, better eye contact...great stuff!

[ ] SCD diet

Have any of you tried this diet on your children? If so, what results

did you see?

Thanks,

Trish

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In a very big way this SCD diet makes lots of sense. And at the same

time the food that is permitted scored high on my son's IGG food

panel blood test. So, I am torn between wanting to do the SCD diet

and the results of his IGG. But I got to thinking, he's not doing

any better on the diet he is on now, which is very very limited. And

I thought of rotating his foods but then there are so few foods to

rotate.

>

> we put jake on the scd diet about four months after the gfcf

diet...we had FANTASTIC results...more awareness, better eye

contact...great stuff!

> [ ] SCD diet

>

>

> Have any of you tried this diet on your children? If so, what

results

> did you see?

>

> Thanks,

> Trish

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> In a very big way this SCD diet makes lots of sense. And at the same

> time the food that is permitted scored high on my son's IGG food

> panel blood test. So, I am torn between wanting to do the SCD diet

> and the results of his IGG. But I got to thinking, he's not doing

> any better on the diet he is on now, which is very very limited. And

> I thought of rotating his foods but then there are so few foods to

> rotate.

n briefly did better on SCD but then horribly. My guess is that

even though he'd been taking enzymes for months his gut was still

leaky, so after a few months he got sensitized to those foods too.

Check out Andy's post on how to pick the right diet for your kid --

it's in the Files of the list.

Nell

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Nell,

We should really let n & Jordan meet, because I think they may

be long-lost twins:)

We started SCD together on July 4th. We used the allowed milk

products, especially a bit of the homemade yogurt because of the

author's insistence that the casein is rendered harmless by the

yogurt-making process. VERY difficult for the first few days, but we

knew to expect that. Then, we had the best 2 or 3 weeks we've ever

had with Jordan. Then, I made the mistake of worrying that he might

not be getting all the nutrients he needed without any grains

whatsoever and started trying to re-introduce Brainchild (which to be

perfectly honest may have been in my fridge longer than 6 months

now). Around the same time he had some sort of viral thing with

fever, pain, congestion, etc. He is notorious for regressing after a

virus when he was previously doing marvelously. In any case, he

started to slide, and I just wanted to cry...I thought we'd found the

answer. But I just re-grouped. I stopped the Brainchild, started

rotating so that he would only get a particular fruit or nut or eggs

every 4 days. I wasn't as concerned about the veggies & meats-

difficult to get them in him anyway-so I'd be thrilled if he ate any

meat or veggie a couple days in a row! He seems on the way back up.

I'd like to get another IgG panel done. I know Stan Kurtz feels that

SCD minus IgG sensitivities is the way to go, and I'm inclined to

agree for my child. The most dramatic results we've sen have been

from gut interventions (removing IgG+s, SCD, enzymes). Heaven help us-

we're scheduled to start LDN for Dr. McCandless's study in a couple

of days- just as I'm moving him back up the slippery slope.

But let me share with Trish and other adults who are considering the

SCD the totally unexpected benefit it had for me. I have an

autoimmune disease,so was just trying to see if it gave me a boost

with my energy level or any positive physical changes. It didn't.

What it did do (during the 1st 3-4 weeks before I cheated when we

went out to eat) is change me mentally. I tend to be OCD- but not to

a debilitating point at all. I can get obsessive, make a lot of

lists, etc. I had really been obsessing about something for months,

and about a week into SCD, I just stopped. I started feeling less

driven to complete my daily lists and not as freaked out if I didn't

get to everything. Just generally more easy-going. It couldn't be

coincidence. It actually makes perfect sense, because many case of

OCD are caused by the strep bacteria. I had a lot of strep as a

child. SCD is a bacteria-starving diet. But this was a total

surprise. I will also say that as I've cheated more, the OCD symptoms

have eased back in. So I had obviously not completely eradicated the

bacteria.

Just thougt I'd mention all this, because I'd never heard anyone

refer to SCD for OCD (all the acronyms!), and some of you or your

children may benefit from my experience!

> >

> > In a very big way this SCD diet makes lots of sense. And at the

same

> > time the food that is permitted scored high on my son's IGG food

> > panel blood test. So, I am torn between wanting to do the SCD

diet

> > and the results of his IGG. But I got to thinking, he's not doing

> > any better on the diet he is on now, which is very very limited.

And

> > I thought of rotating his foods but then there are so few foods

to

> > rotate.

>

> n briefly did better on SCD but then horribly. My guess is that

> even though he'd been taking enzymes for months his gut was still

> leaky, so after a few months he got sensitized to those foods too.

>

> Check out Andy's post on how to pick the right diet for your kid --

> it's in the Files of the list.

>

> Nell

>

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WOW! Thanks for posting this!

Elsass <elsass@...> wrote: Nell,

We should really let n & Jordan meet, because I think they may

be long-lost twins:)

We started SCD together on July 4th. We used the allowed milk

products, especially a bit of the homemade yogurt because of the

author's insistence that the casein is rendered harmless by the

yogurt-making process. VERY difficult for the first few days, but we

knew to expect that. Then, we had the best 2 or 3 weeks we've ever

had with Jordan. Then, I made the mistake of worrying that he might

not be getting all the nutrients he needed without any grains

whatsoever and started trying to re-introduce Brainchild (which to be

perfectly honest may have been in my fridge longer than 6 months

now). Around the same time he had some sort of viral thing with

fever, pain, congestion, etc. He is notorious for regressing after a

virus when he was previously doing marvelously. In any case, he

started to slide, and I just wanted to cry...I thought we'd found the

answer. But I just re-grouped. I stopped the Brainchild, started

rotating so that he would only get a particular fruit or nut or eggs

every 4 days. I wasn't as concerned about the veggies & meats-

difficult to get them in him anyway-so I'd be thrilled if he ate any

meat or veggie a couple days in a row! He seems on the way back up.

I'd like to get another IgG panel done. I know Stan Kurtz feels that

SCD minus IgG sensitivities is the way to go, and I'm inclined to

agree for my child. The most dramatic results we've sen have been

from gut interventions (removing IgG+s, SCD, enzymes). Heaven help us-

we're scheduled to start LDN for Dr. McCandless's study in a couple

of days- just as I'm moving him back up the slippery slope.

But let me share with Trish and other adults who are considering the

SCD the totally unexpected benefit it had for me. I have an

autoimmune disease,so was just trying to see if it gave me a boost

with my energy level or any positive physical changes. It didn't.

What it did do (during the 1st 3-4 weeks before I cheated when we

went out to eat) is change me mentally. I tend to be OCD- but not to

a debilitating point at all. I can get obsessive, make a lot of

lists, etc. I had really been obsessing about something for months,

and about a week into SCD, I just stopped. I started feeling less

driven to complete my daily lists and not as freaked out if I didn't

get to everything. Just generally more easy-going. It couldn't be

coincidence. It actually makes perfect sense, because many case of

OCD are caused by the strep bacteria. I had a lot of strep as a

child. SCD is a bacteria-starving diet. But this was a total

surprise. I will also say that as I've cheated more, the OCD symptoms

have eased back in. So I had obviously not completely eradicated the

bacteria.

Just thougt I'd mention all this, because I'd never heard anyone

refer to SCD for OCD (all the acronyms!), and some of you or your

children may benefit from my experience!

> >

> > In a very big way this SCD diet makes lots of sense. And at the

same

> > time the food that is permitted scored high on my son's IGG food

> > panel blood test. So, I am torn between wanting to do the SCD

diet

> > and the results of his IGG. But I got to thinking, he's not doing

> > any better on the diet he is on now, which is very very limited.

And

> > I thought of rotating his foods but then there are so few foods

to

> > rotate.

>

> n briefly did better on SCD but then horribly. My guess is that

> even though he'd been taking enzymes for months his gut was still

> leaky, so after a few months he got sensitized to those foods too.

>

> Check out Andy's post on how to pick the right diet for your kid --

> it's in the Files of the list.

>

> Nell

>

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Where would I find Andy's post on the diet? I looked in the Files list

but which file do I pick? As far as rotation diets go, is it okay to

pick foods on my son's list that were somewhat low and just rotate

them? I need to look at Dana's site on rotation diets.

Thanks,

Trish

> > >

> > > In a very big way this SCD diet makes lots of sense. And at the

> same

> > > time the food that is permitted scored high on my son's IGG food

> > > panel blood test. So, I am torn between wanting to do the SCD

> diet

> > > and the results of his IGG. But I got to thinking, he's not doing

> > > any better on the diet he is on now, which is very very limited.

> And

> > > I thought of rotating his foods but then there are so few foods

> to

> > > rotate.

> >

> > n briefly did better on SCD but then horribly. My guess is that

> > even though he'd been taking enzymes for months his gut was still

> > leaky, so after a few months he got sensitized to those foods too.

> >

> > Check out Andy's post on how to pick the right diet for your kid --

> > it's in the Files of the list.

> >

> > Nell

> >

>

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> Nell,

> We should really let n & Jordan meet, because I think they may

> be long-lost twins:)

I think you're right :). I just watched Elaine Gottschall's video at

Stan Kurtz's site, and felt like trying SCD again. I've been wanting

to do some kind of elimination diet forever, and using her beginner's

diet or whatever she called it would probably be a great place to start.

I had really been obsessing about something for months,

> and about a week into SCD, I just stopped. I started feeling less

> driven to complete my daily lists and not as freaked out if I didn't

> get to everything. Just generally more easy-going. It couldn't be

> coincidence. It actually makes perfect sense, because many case of

> OCD are caused by the strep bacteria. I had a lot of strep as a

> child. SCD is a bacteria-starving diet.

So interesting. Did you notice any other changes, anything physical at

all?

Nell

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HI, I’VE HAD MY 16 YR. OLD SON ON THE SCD DIET FOR A YEAR AND A HALF AND

HAVE SEEN AMAZING RESULTS… HE WAS VERY CALM AND FOCUSED THE FIRST MONTH,

FOLLOWS DIRECTIONS TO PERFECTION, IT’S LIKE HE WOKE UP…..WE ARE SEEING

RESULTS DAILY… WE ARE ALSO DOING HYPERBARIC OXYGEN THERAPY IN WEBSTER,

TEXAS…. NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS…. I DO FEEL THE KEY WITH

THE DIET IS THE GOATS YOGURT THAT HE EATS EACH DAY…. TRY IT… I WAS ON THE

GLUTEN FREE DIET FOR 6 YRS. BEFORE STARTING THIS AND I WISH I HAD STARTED

EARLIER…. IT’S REALLY QUITE SIMPLE, JUST A WAY OF LIFE……HOPE THIS HELPS…

CORINNE

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of longingforheaven24

Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 4:05 PM

Subject: [ ] SCD diet

Have any of you tried this diet on your children? If so, what results

did you see?

Thanks,

Trish

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