Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Hey Rick, These are interesting observations you are making, but I have to say that I disagree with you. I have CFS and I am on a GFCF and sugar free diet, and while that did quell some of my symptoms, I am still sick. I also have a child with autism...my other kids are showing signs of illness. This is a family affair and I think we are all sharing the same pathogen that causes immune dysfunction, I believe that pathogen is a retrovirus:XMRV. -Jen From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...> Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM  Hi: I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone through some twice! I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe food is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here? I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the neuro-inflammation riddle. Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior. If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think I am too) then here is what I am saying. The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally understood that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To me, all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the bloodstream..glucose). I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was able to escape CFS with a few months! I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is why to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose. Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my meal plan. I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type? Sincerely: Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Hi : Thanks for your feedback. Can you tell me what diet you used to go completely sugar free? Thx Rick On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Hankinson <jlhank80@...>wrote: > > > Hey Rick, > These are interesting observations you are making, but I have to say that I > disagree with you. > I have CFS and I am on a GFCF and sugar free diet, and while that did quell > some of my symptoms, I am still sick. > I also have a child with autism...my other kids are showing signs of > illness. This is a family affair and I think we are all sharing the same > pathogen that causes immune dysfunction, I believe that pathogen is a > retrovirus:XMRV. > -Jen > > > > From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...> > Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM > > > > > Hi: > I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally > found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and > other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone through > some twice! > I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe food > is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here? > I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first > believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis > instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in > '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the > neuro-inflammation riddle. > Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the > parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about > watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior. > If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think I > am too) then here is what I am saying. > The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally understood > that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To me, > all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the > bloodstream..glucose). > I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was able > to escape CFS with a few months! > I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that > might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the > movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very > long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is why > to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose. > Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found > key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my > meal plan. > I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have > to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type? > Sincerely: > Rick > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 On a similar note-- I have a son with autism (not doing at this point) and seizures. He seems to benefit from a low-carb diet (although have not jumped on the MAD diet yet due to multiple food allergies). My hubby came down with diabetes last year. I kept telling him to go low, low carb and NO SUGAR. Now that he is finally doing this (eight months later...), the neuropathy in his feet is significantly subsiding. FWIW > > > From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...> > Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM > > > Â > > > > Hi: > I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone through some twice! > I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe food is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here? > I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the neuro-inflammation riddle. > Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior. > If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think I am too) then here is what I am saying. > The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally understood that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To me, all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the bloodstream..glucose). > I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was able to escape CFS with a few months! > I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is why to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose. > Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my meal plan. > I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type? > Sincerely: > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Hi: How is your son doing now? When I say no sugar, what I mean is that since the body only allows glucose into the blood stream, I refer to all sugar, carbs, etc as glucose. So I get about 400 calories ( max 100G) per day from glucose ( cane sugar) and the rest of my calories, about 1400, from ketones. I have massive amounts of energy, clear head, no brain fog, etc. I believe since I get so many of my calories from ketones, that this also denies energy to gut pathogens. The cane sugar is part of my heated drink, so it is absorbed across the stomach lining. Therefore, I don't think I am passing ANY glucose at all to my small intestine. I used to know that glucose was causing my problem because I could feel it. Living with CFS to me was like being under a sheet of ice and trying to break through. I knew day after day after year after year, that I wasn't functioning but could not do anything. My first clue was after I had CFS for about 7 years, I got sick with the flu and emptied my stomach. Right away and for a day only, until I started eating, I had a clear brain for the first time in years. So I strongly believe a gut/intestine pathogen is causing toxins in our blood stream and affecting our brains. So I have been eating like this for a year now. I can go biking ( I live in Vancouver) and do everything anyone else does, EXCEPT a varied diet. To me, this is no problem because of the old saying " I live to eat or eat to live " . It's pretty obvious which one I choose. Protein is for the immune system, so we only need about 70 to 90G per day, divided into small doses. Fat (LCFA that is) is only to make us feel full, not for energy. Try eating avocado and/or cow fat (butter, bacon, etc) for energy. Any combination and we still feel hungry. When we check the science, we see that LCFA are wrapped up in a delivery vehicle called chylomircon (basically just a delivery vehicle because the body will not allow a foreign particle like cow fat into the blood) and delivered into the blood where they are delivered to the whole body. Since the brain can only burn glucose and ketones, it can't use fat for energy. So some of the fat goes to the liver which converts the fat to glucose and then dumps the glucose into the bloodstream. Then the brain must compete with the rest of the body for the preferred glucose. You can try it yourself ( as I have). I had many avocados per day and was still hungry. So the solution for me is to drink my ketones, keep my stomach full with a special meal I prepare and now I have a life again after 25 years. Hopefully this helps somewhat. Best wishes Rick On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:12 AM, djajhooten <dhooten@...> wrote: > > > On a similar note-- > I have a son with autism (not doing at this point) and seizures. He > seems to benefit from a low-carb diet (although have not jumped on the MAD > diet yet due to multiple food allergies). My hubby came down with diabetes > last year. I kept telling him to go low, low carb and NO SUGAR. Now that he > is finally doing this (eight months later...), the neuropathy in his feet is > significantly subsiding. > > FWIW > > > > > > > > > From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...> > > > Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? > Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > > > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Hi: > > I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally > found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and > other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone through > some twice! > > I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe > food is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here? > > I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first > believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis > instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in > '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the > neuro-inflammation riddle. > > Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the > parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about > watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior. > > If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think > I am too) then here is what I am saying. > > The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally > understood that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid > glucose. ( To me, all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body > allows in the bloodstream..glucose). > > I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was > able to escape CFS with a few months! > > I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that > might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the > movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very > long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is why > to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose. > > Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found > key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my > meal plan. > > I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have > to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type? > > Sincerely: > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 I just removed all simple sugars from my diet (even fruits), I am trying to keep my blood sugar under control. I havent removed all carbs, I still eat rice, potato and gluten free bread and I do feel better but I am still not well. I have headaches, fatigue, swollen lymph nodes, and more but I wont bore you. If we had the money, our whole family would see Dr. ! -Jen > > From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...> > Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM > > > > > Hi: > I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally > found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and > other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone through > some twice! > I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe food > is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here? > I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first > believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis > instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in > '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the > neuro-inflammation riddle. > Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the > parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about > watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior. > If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think I > am too) then here is what I am saying. > The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally understood > that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To me, > all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the > bloodstream..glucose). > I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was able > to escape CFS with a few months! > I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that > might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the > movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very > long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is why > to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose. > Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found > key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my > meal plan. > I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have > to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type? > Sincerely: > Rick > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Hi : Gluten free bread still has glucose, as does rice and potatoes, so to me, this means gut pathogens still have an energy source. Regards Rick On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Hankinson <jlhank80@...>wrote: > > > I just removed all simple sugars from my diet (even fruits), I am trying to > keep my blood sugar under control. I havent removed all carbs, I still eat > rice, potato and gluten free bread and I do feel better but I am still not > well. I have headaches, fatigue, swollen lymph nodes, and more but I wont > bore you. > If we had the money, our whole family would see Dr. ! > -Jen > > > > > > From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...> > > Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? > Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > > > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally > > found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and > > other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone > through > > some twice! > > I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe > food > > is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here? > > I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first > > believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis > > instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in > > '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the > > neuro-inflammation riddle. > > Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the > > parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated > about > > watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior. > > If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think > I > > am too) then here is what I am saying. > > The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally > understood > > that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To > me, > > all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the > > bloodstream..glucose). > > I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was > able > > to escape CFS with a few months! > > I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that > > might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched > the > > movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( > very > > long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is > why > > to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose. > > Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found > > key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating > my > > meal plan. > > I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have > > to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type? > > Sincerely: > > Rick > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 The glucose aspect is interesting to me... I recently had a bout of stomach bugs... where I couldn't eat off and on for 5 days and then 3 days a week or so later. It was amazing... For years I have very bad fibromayalgia pain, huge brain fog to the point of confusion sometimes, constant headaches (I have to use advil way too often) I haven't been able to do strenuous excersize in years because it hurt too badly, sleep problems, and always being tired, extreme panic attacks (I often need someone to call me in the AM if I am alone, because it feels like I'm having a heart attack.. and I'm afraid for my son to wake up with no mommy... I know these are panic attacks... but it doesn't help that much because the chest pain, difficulty breathing, tight throat, etc. are real) Any way... after these bouts of stomach sickness and little to no eating... here is what happened... all of the above symptoms went away...(I was able to start running, because it didn't hurt, no anxiety attacks, no headaches, etc.) It was unbelievable. But as I started eating again, they started coming back with a vengence. I started trying to implement Dr. Goldbergs diet for myself... but found that if I ate almost anything at all the symptoms were coming back. I definately noticed that sugars seem to affect me along with lots of other things. It feels like the only things I can eat with out getting the symptoms back are maybe lean meats, vegetables, and some fruit. I wish I had the self discipline to eat like that, but I don't think I do. Anyway the sugar aspect makes me wonder... it seems like it might end up being a fit. It doesn't really help me with figuring out a diet I can manage/stick to... but at least it might give me some information, and that's never a bad thing. My son is being treated by Dr. G , and seems to be doing great. I am going to try to see him myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Jennnifer, try reducing rice - and be wary of GF bread - some of the substitute flours are allergens too. Potato is the least offensive carb it seems _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Hankinson Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 8:38 PM Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory I just removed all simple sugars from my diet (even fruits), I am trying to keep my blood sugar under control. I havent removed all carbs, I still eat rice, potato and gluten free bread and I do feel better but I am still not well. I have headaches, fatigue, swollen lymph nodes, and more but I wont bore you. If we had the money, our whole family would see Dr. ! -Jen > > From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@... <mailto:rickthelearner%40gmail.com> > > Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > <mailto:%40> > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM > > > > > Hi: > I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally > found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and > other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone through > some twice! > I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe food > is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here? > I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first > believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis > instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in > '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the > neuro-inflammation riddle. > Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the > parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about > watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior. > If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think I > am too) then here is what I am saying. > The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally understood > that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To me, > all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the > bloodstream..glucose). > I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was able > to escape CFS with a few months! > I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that > might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the > movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very > long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is why > to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose. > Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found > key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my > meal plan. > I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have > to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type? > Sincerely: > Rick > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Thanks for the heads up! Actually rice seems to be okay for me...I have figured out everything that makes me sick...for now! > > From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@... <mailto:rickthelearner%40gmail.com> > > Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > <mailto:%40> > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM > > > > > Hi: > I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally > found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and > other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone through > some twice! > I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe food > is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here? > I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first > believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis > instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in > '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the > neuro-inflammation riddle. > Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the > parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about > watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior. > If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think I > am too) then here is what I am saying. > The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally understood > that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To me, > all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the > bloodstream..glucose). > I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was able > to escape CFS with a few months! > I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that > might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the > movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very > long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is why > to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose. > Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found > key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my > meal plan. > I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have > to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type? > Sincerely: > Rick > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Hi: I believe that there is a better diet than what we have read about, including the SCD, GFCF, etc. Just as when the Lorenzo's found a solution, I believe there is a better meal. However, I am curious as to whether the group is interested in the science, because we quite naturally don't make changes without knowing the science. For example, we know saturated fat(cow/pig) is extremely bad for us and causes oxidative stress. The scientists gave us a clue when they said it was saturated. Saturated with...? With hydrogen. Google: " h plyori hydrogen " Those 3 words. Do you know want causes ulcers? I just asked this of two people yesterday and they said stress. I have only one person in all the time I ask this who told me bacteria. For 20 years we have know that this bacteria causes ulcers and can be cured with anti-biotics. It took the scientist in the 80's who discovered this ten years to have his fellow doctors prescribe anti-biotics for it. As mentioned, we seem to know that it is glucose causing the problem, but to gut pathogens, it is all glucose. rice, GFCF, potato, bread, organic or not, baked, fried, natural...gut pathogens don't care what we humans call it or how we prepare it. Wouldn't it be better if we nourished our cells but provided NO glucose to the intestines? Wouldn't that be the ideal meal? Thanks for your time Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 LOL the sugar is tough! I'm such a sugar addict I think I need to create a sugar anonymous group to help. I've noticed an odd difference recently. We hear all about the evils of high fructose corn syrup, but I am prone to break my diet with a dr pepper. I love them, I crave them, a day doesn't go by where I don't wish I had one. If I do buy it, I'll drink it all. It's also harder to stay committed because I don't really seem to have much side effect from it but I know it's loaded with sugar so well you know. But I do occasionally fall - but I don't eat other sweets or ice creams etc (most of the time), or heaven help me most pizza (although there's one kind of thin crust I can eat w/out problems). But one day I tried one of those 'retro' sodas made from real sugar, and the next day my gut was so full of yeast - or at least inflamed - I was in agony, and it took days to go away. Well I didn't make the connection until I tried another one (yeah I'm real bright sometimes), and the same thing happened.  (They were nasty anyway.) Anyways, I've wondered periodically what the difference was, especially since we hear high fructose corn syrup is the death of us all, the devil of all foods, but I tolerate it (not that I should have it - I know. I know.), but not real sugar. Hmmm. Great. Now I wish I had a Dr Pepper. ________________________________ From: Pedersen <mpedestrian@...> Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 1:16:57 PM Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory  The glucose aspect is interesting to me... I recently had a bout of stomach bugs... where I couldn't eat off and on for 5 days and then 3 days a week or so later. It was amazing... For years I have very bad fibromayalgia pain, huge brain fog to the point of confusion sometimes, constant headaches (I have to use advil way too often) I haven't been able to do strenuous excersize in years because it hurt too badly, sleep problems, and always being tired, extreme panic attacks (I often need someone to call me in the AM if I am alone, because it feels like I'm having a heart attack.. and I'm afraid for my son to wake up with no mommy... I know these are panic attacks... but it doesn't help that much because the chest pain, difficulty breathing, tight throat, etc. are real) Any way... after these bouts of stomach sickness and little to no eating... here is what happened... all of the above symptoms went away...(I was able to start running, because it didn't hurt, no anxiety attacks, no headaches, etc.) It was unbelievable. But as I started eating again, they started coming back with a vengence. I started trying to implement Dr. Goldbergs diet for myself... but found that if I ate almost anything at all the symptoms were coming back. I definately noticed that sugars seem to affect me along with lots of other things. It feels like the only things I can eat with out getting the symptoms back are maybe lean meats, vegetables, and some fruit. I wish I had the self discipline to eat like that, but I don't think I do. Anyway the sugar aspect makes me wonder... it seems like it might end up being a fit. It doesn't really help me with figuring out a diet I can manage/stick to... but at least it might give me some information, and that's never a bad thing. My son is being treated by Dr. G , and seems to be doing great. I am going to try to see him myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Rick I think you are ignoring a huge part of neuroimmune disease recovery, even though diet and gastrointestinal issues are a so important in decreasing the inflammation load in our children and ourselves, there is an infectious organism that may be the root of all of this illness and that is a retrovirus that is most likely causing immune dysfunction: XMRV. If XMRV is in fact the culprit, starving the body of glucose isn't going to stop XMRV from replicating one bit. Viruses are obligate parasites, meaning they have no metabolic functions whatsoever, they do not need glucose to survive. Another extremely big piece of the puzzle is addressing other viruses, like herpesviruses that live in the Central Nervous System. Whether you eat glucose or not, it will not make a difference. Kids with these smoldering herpes infections need antiviral medication, not a diet change. We can wait around forever for a quick cure with our kids but it is not going to happen. This is a complex, heterogeneous illness involving many systems in the body, not just gastrointestinal. Best wishes, Jen From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...> Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 8:02 PM  Hi: I believe that there is a better diet than what we have read about, including the SCD, GFCF, etc. Just as when the Lorenzo's found a solution, I believe there is a better meal. However, I am curious as to whether the group is interested in the science, because we quite naturally don't make changes without knowing the science. For example, we know saturated fat(cow/pig) is extremely bad for us and causes oxidative stress. The scientists gave us a clue when they said it was saturated. Saturated with...? With hydrogen. Google: " h plyori hydrogen " Those 3 words. Do you know want causes ulcers? I just asked this of two people yesterday and they said stress. I have only one person in all the time I ask this who told me bacteria. For 20 years we have know that this bacteria causes ulcers and can be cured with anti-biotics. It took the scientist in the 80's who discovered this ten years to have his fellow doctors prescribe anti-biotics for it. As mentioned, we seem to know that it is glucose causing the problem, but to gut pathogens, it is all glucose. rice, GFCF, potato, bread, organic or not, baked, fried, natural...gut pathogens don't care what we humans call it or how we prepare it. Wouldn't it be better if we nourished our cells but provided NO glucose to the intestines? Wouldn't that be the ideal meal? Thanks for your time Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Hi : The body does not starve. The body burns ketones. Glucose is NOT burned by the cells. The cells break the glucose down into two pieces. Ketones. I do not attempt to address or define what the specific pathogen is. I let the body do that. :-) I get my energy from ketones, not glucose. Therefore, I am NEVER hungry, my cells are nourished and the pathogens are denied an energy source. Thx Rick On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Hankinson <jlhank80@...>wrote: > > > Rick I think you are ignoring a huge part of neuroimmune disease recovery, > even though diet and gastrointestinal issues are a so important in > decreasing the inflammation load in our children and ourselves, there is an > infectious organism that may be the root of all of this illness and that is > a retrovirus that is most likely causing immune dysfunction: XMRV. If XMRV > is in fact the culprit, starving the body of glucose isn't going to stop > XMRV from replicating one bit. Viruses are obligate parasites, meaning they > have no metabolic functions whatsoever, they do not need glucose to survive. > Another extremely big piece of the puzzle is addressing other viruses, like > herpesviruses that live in the Central Nervous System. Whether you eat > glucose or not, it will not make a difference. Kids with these smoldering > herpes infections need antiviral medication, not a diet change. > We can wait around forever for a quick cure with our kids but it is not > going to happen. This is a complex, heterogeneous illness involving many > systems in the body, not just gastrointestinal. > Best wishes, > Jen > > > > > From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...> > Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? > Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > > Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 8:02 PM > > > > > Hi: > I believe that there is a better diet than what we have read about, > including the SCD, GFCF, etc. Just as when the Lorenzo's found a solution, I > believe there is a better meal. However, I am curious as to whether the > group is interested in the science, because we quite naturally don't make > changes without knowing the science. > For example, we know saturated fat(cow/pig) is extremely bad for us and > causes oxidative stress. The scientists gave us a clue when they said it was > saturated. Saturated with...? With hydrogen. > Google: " h plyori hydrogen " Those 3 words. Do you know want causes ulcers? > I just asked this of two people yesterday and they said stress. I have only > one person in all the time I ask this who told me bacteria. For 20 years we > have know that this bacteria causes ulcers and can be cured with > anti-biotics. It took the scientist in the 80's who discovered this ten > years to have his fellow doctors prescribe anti-biotics for it. > As mentioned, we seem to know that it is glucose causing the > problem, but to gut pathogens, it is all glucose. rice, GFCF, potato, bread, > organic or not, baked, fried, natural...gut pathogens don't care what we > humans call it or how we prepare it. > Wouldn't it be better if we nourished our cells but provided NO glucose to > the intestines? Wouldn't that be the ideal meal? > Thanks for your time > Rick > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the virus, then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the sugar/carb consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to the sugared varieties? Just curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Rick, I think that you can have issues from many different sources, depends on the person/body type, etc. etc. However, I don't think you could just 100 percent drop glucose. Our brains, esp our kids, need it. Maybe not in loads, but the cells need/depend on it. I just copied a little info below from google/livestrong, which has some good info. I think we need to be careful, nothing is 100 on/off, good/bad for everyone. I think perhaps for you it may help and for some to go very low, but for some bodies, it may be dangerous (don't know, just sayin'). Just like the whole virus issue below. For Jen's kids they may have xmrv. For my son who's autistic and I know he's really sick, he may have a a different virus reaking havoc in his little body. Not sure, but I won't give up until I find out and make him better. kathi Overview The human body is made up of cells, each one of which needs to be able to provide for its energy needs by taking up nutritional molecules from the bloodstream and chemically burning them as part of cellular metabolism. Glucose is an important nutrient molecule that cells rely upon for energy, both as a component of diet <http://www.livestrong.com/diet-and-nutrition/> and when stored for later use in the form of the carbohydrate molecule glycogen. Function The function of glucose in the body is an energy molecule. Cells take up glucose absorbed by the digestive tract and either use the glucose or store it for later. While proteins and fat <http://www.livestrong.com/body-fat-and-muscle/> also provide cells with energy, some body cells -- the cells of the brain in particular -- preferentially rely upon glucose, notes Dr. lee Sherwood in her book, " Human Physiology. " Further, glucose breaks down into smaller molecules that provide building blocks for many cellular products. Read more: <http://www.livestrong.com/article/271209-why-do-we-need-glucose-in-our-diet /#ixzz1DIfPVMwb> http://www.livestrong.com/article/271209-why-do-we-need-glucose-in-our-diet/ #ixzz1DIfPVMwb From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of rick carbert Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory Hi : The body does not starve. The body burns ketones. Glucose is NOT burned by the cells. The cells break the glucose down into two pieces. Ketones. I do not attempt to address or define what the specific pathogen is. I let the body do that. :-) I get my energy from ketones, not glucose. Therefore, I am NEVER hungry, my cells are nourished and the pathogens are denied an energy source. Thx Rick On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Hankinson <jlhank80@... <mailto:jlhank80%40> >wrote: > > > Rick I think you are ignoring a huge part of neuroimmune disease recovery, > even though diet and gastrointestinal issues are a so important in > decreasing the inflammation load in our children and ourselves, there is an > infectious organism that may be the root of all of this illness and that is > a retrovirus that is most likely causing immune dysfunction: XMRV. If XMRV > is in fact the culprit, starving the body of glucose isn't going to stop > XMRV from replicating one bit. Viruses are obligate parasites, meaning they > have no metabolic functions whatsoever, they do not need glucose to survive. > Another extremely big piece of the puzzle is addressing other viruses, like > herpesviruses that live in the Central Nervous System. Whether you eat > glucose or not, it will not make a difference. Kids with these smoldering > herpes infections need antiviral medication, not a diet change. > We can wait around forever for a quick cure with our kids but it is not > going to happen. This is a complex, heterogeneous illness involving many > systems in the body, not just gastrointestinal. > Best wishes, > Jen > > > > > From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@... <mailto:rickthelearner%40gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? > Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > <mailto:%40> > Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 8:02 PM > > > > > Hi: > I believe that there is a better diet than what we have read about, > including the SCD, GFCF, etc. Just as when the Lorenzo's found a solution, I > believe there is a better meal. However, I am curious as to whether the > group is interested in the science, because we quite naturally don't make > changes without knowing the science. > For example, we know saturated fat(cow/pig) is extremely bad for us and > causes oxidative stress. The scientists gave us a clue when they said it was > saturated. Saturated with...? With hydrogen. > Google: " h plyori hydrogen " Those 3 words. Do you know want causes ulcers? > I just asked this of two people yesterday and they said stress. I have only > one person in all the time I ask this who told me bacteria. For 20 years we > have know that this bacteria causes ulcers and can be cured with > anti-biotics. It took the scientist in the 80's who discovered this ten > years to have his fellow doctors prescribe anti-biotics for it. > As mentioned, we seem to know that it is glucose causing the > problem, but to gut pathogens, it is all glucose. rice, GFCF, potato, bread, > organic or not, baked, fried, natural...gut pathogens don't care what we > humans call it or how we prepare it. > Wouldn't it be better if we nourished our cells but provided NO glucose to > the intestines? Wouldn't that be the ideal meal? > Thanks for your time > Rick > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Rick, what diet is that you follow. Like what do you eat in one day? Just curious b/c of the brain fog thing and you saying glucose doesn't get in your diet much and supposedly that's what the brain cells need most and rely on most. However, maybe it's different for you b/c you are an adult and our kids brains are growing and they may need more glucose for their brain cells. Just wondering what a day of food looks like for you. Thanks kathi New diet...Lorenzo warriors? > Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > > > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > Hi: > > I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally > found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and > other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone through > some twice! > > I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe > food is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here? > > I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first > believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis > instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in > '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the > neuro-inflammation riddle. > > Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the > parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about > watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior. > > If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think > I am too) then here is what I am saying. > > The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally > understood that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid > glucose. ( To me, all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body > allows in the bloodstream..glucose). > > I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was > able to escape CFS with a few months! > > I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that > might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the > movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very > long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is why > to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose. > > Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found > key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my > meal plan. > > I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have > to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type? > > Sincerely: > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Dear rick , I guess I am poorly informed, I would like to know what are ketones and which foods have them ? What should one eat for the same ? Thanks Sunira Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? > Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > > Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 8:02 PM > > > > > Hi: > I believe that there is a better diet than what we have read about, > including the SCD, GFCF, etc. Just as when the Lorenzo's found a solution, I > believe there is a better meal. However, I am curious as to whether the > group is interested in the science, because we quite naturally don't make > changes without knowing the science. > For example, we know saturated fat(cow/pig) is extremely bad for us and > causes oxidative stress. The scientists gave us a clue when they said it was > saturated. Saturated with...? With hydrogen. > Google: " h plyori hydrogen " Those 3 words. Do you know want causes ulcers? > I just asked this of two people yesterday and they said stress. I have only > one person in all the time I ask this who told me bacteria. For 20 years we > have know that this bacteria causes ulcers and can be cured with > anti-biotics. It took the scientist in the 80's who discovered this ten > years to have his fellow doctors prescribe anti-biotics for it. > As mentioned, we seem to know that it is glucose causing the > problem, but to gut pathogens, it is all glucose. rice, GFCF, potato, bread, > organic or not, baked, fried, natural...gut pathogens don't care what we > humans call it or how we prepare it. > Wouldn't it be better if we nourished our cells but provided NO glucose to > the intestines? Wouldn't that be the ideal meal? > Thanks for your time > Rick > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 I got to see Dr. Christiane Northrup's daughter speak last night and she talked a great deal about inflammation throughout our bodies creating all kinds of disease and it's all caused by and prevented by a low glycemic (i.e. low " bad " carb) diet. She recommended reading " Healthy for Life " . Then I came home and had Dr. Oz on DVR and 3 of the 3 doctors he featured, all renowned experts, including Dr. Christiane Northrup, emphasized a low inflammation, i.e. low " bad carb " diet. So in response to your question, and from what Dr. G has reiterated to me countless times, our children need low carbs to keep inflammation down. I refer to his diet recommendations as an anti-inflammatory diet. Kristy Nardini TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com kristy@... Phone: 858.243.1929 Fax: 858.724.1418 <http://www.twitter.com/tazzini> Tweet with Us <http://www.facebook.com/tazzinicompany> Follow on Facebook From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Pedersen Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:35 PM Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the virus, then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the sugar/carb consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to the sugared varieties? Just curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Hi Kristy: Thanks for the feedback. Naturally I agree with you since I started this thread. :-) It was basically a zero glucose diet that saved me after 25 years 3 months. I was better within a few months. One group of Polynesian's had 63% of their energy intake from coconut fat. The study was done in the sixties before they were corrupted with the modern high glucose diet. My diet is about 75% coconut fat, so I don't consider it that much different than the Polynesian diet. I would suggest people read a few of The Zone books by Dr Barry Sears if they wish additional resources regarding glucose and inflammation. For example, " Enter the Zone " and " The Anti-Inflammation Zone " . In my opinion they are highly relevant to diseases. He even specifically addresses diseases in his books. They are fantastic for a healthy person to stay healthy. However, for a person, the diet still has too much glucose. I started reading them back in the nineties, and believed they were the answer to my problem. However, it took all this time for me to figure out how to use coconut fat to replace glucose. Obviously, there are a number of ways to overcome diseases. I believe this is just one of them. Thanks Rick On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Kristy Nardini <knardini@...>wrote: > > > I got to see Dr. Christiane Northrup's daughter speak last night and she > talked a great deal about inflammation throughout our bodies creating all > kinds of disease and it's all caused by and prevented by a low glycemic > (i.e. low " bad " carb) diet. She recommended reading " Healthy for Life " . > Then > I came home and had Dr. Oz on DVR and 3 of the 3 doctors he featured, all > renowned experts, including Dr. Christiane Northrup, emphasized a low > inflammation, i.e. low " bad carb " diet. So in response to your question, > and > from what Dr. G has reiterated to me countless times, our children need low > carbs to keep inflammation down. I refer to his diet recommendations as an > anti-inflammatory diet. > > Kristy Nardini > TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles > <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com > kristy@... > Phone: 858.243.1929 > Fax: 858.724.1418 > > <http://www.twitter.com/tazzini> Tweet with Us > <http://www.facebook.com/tazzinicompany> Follow on Facebook > > From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > Pedersen > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:35 PM > > Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? > Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > > > If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the > virus, then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the > sugar/carb consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to > the sugared varieties? > > Just curious > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Many reasons, but one is that the insulin response directly activates certain cytokines that are inflammatory. I'll try to remember to repost some of those studies, or you might be able to do a search in the archives... ________________________________ From: Pedersen <mpedestrian@...> Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 12:34:43 AM Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory  If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the virus, then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the sugar/carb consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to the sugared varieties? Just curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 After having an appt with my son's neurologist, she mentioned that our local hospital (children's hosp in Columbus, OH) offers a Ketogenic and modified Atkins diet program to reduce seizures. I am seriously contemplating this but the major drawback is that my son cannot have dairy (he has an IgE allergy to cow's milk). I am still waiting to hear back from them to see if this diet would be possible without the dairy. I am so mad at myself because I had access yesterday to a science paper called " Application of a Ketogenic Diet in Children with Autistic Behavior: Pilot Study " but now I cannot access it. I wish to heck I saved it. Anyway, this was rather interesting in that they saw remarkable improvement (the bad news is that kiddos going with the higher scores did even better than the more severe cases). However, it was interesting in that they speculated that this diet helps with mitochondrial repair. Personally, I am wondering if starving the cells of glucose actually starves viruses. I just keep on thinking of that expression, " feed a cold, starve a fever " . Cheers, Jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 The cells don't burn glucose, they burn ketones. The cell breaks the glucose into two pieces, THEN the cells are able to get energy from them. The liver converts coconut fat to ketones and puts it into the blood. It is the most natural, healthy way to nourish your body while not supplying glucose to pathogens. All the answers are on the Internet. :-) On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:48 AM, sjillboyer <sjillboyer@...> wrote: > > > After having an appt with my son's neurologist, she mentioned that our > local hospital (children's hosp in Columbus, OH) offers a Ketogenic and > modified Atkins diet program to reduce seizures. I am seriously > contemplating this but the major drawback is that my son cannot have dairy > (he has an IgE allergy to cow's milk). I am still waiting to hear back from > them to see if this diet would be possible without the dairy. I am so mad at > myself because I had access yesterday to a science paper called " Application > of a Ketogenic Diet in Children with Autistic Behavior: Pilot Study " but now > I cannot access it. I wish to heck I saved it. Anyway, this was rather > interesting in that they saw remarkable improvement (the bad news is that > kiddos going with the higher scores did even better than the more severe > cases). However, it was interesting in that they speculated that this diet > helps with mitochondrial repair. Personally, I am wondering if starving the > cells of glucose actually starves viruses. I just keep on thinking of that > expression, " feed a cold, starve a fever " . > > Cheers, > > Jill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Dr G used to actually say " Use a modified Zone diet - the maintenance diet. "  So he is very much in agreement. He would prefer that our kids get no sugar and very very limited carbs, only one serving (like half an apple) of fruit in a day. He's only ok w/ a piece of bread for the sole purpose of getting protein into the kids.  I think it's probably pretty hard to get all parents to restrict their kids diets any more severely since so many have such food aversions and self restrict their foods anyway, not to mention growing little 3 year olds are harder to keep on as high a protein diet as an adult can tolerate. But the Zone is his most approved diet - the only " name " I've ever seen him reference. ________________________________ From: rick carbert <rickthelearner@...> Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 5:46:37 AM Subject: Re: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory  Hi Kristy: Thanks for the feedback. Naturally I agree with you since I started this thread. :-) It was basically a zero glucose diet that saved me after 25 years 3 months. I was better within a few months. One group of Polynesian's had 63% of their energy intake from coconut fat. The study was done in the sixties before they were corrupted with the modern high glucose diet. My diet is about 75% coconut fat, so I don't consider it that much different than the Polynesian diet. I would suggest people read a few of The Zone books by Dr Barry Sears if they wish additional resources regarding glucose and inflammation. For example, " Enter the Zone " and " The Anti-Inflammation Zone " . In my opinion they are highly relevant to diseases. He even specifically addresses diseases in his books. They are fantastic for a healthy person to stay healthy. However, for a person, the diet still has too much glucose. I started reading them back in the nineties, and believed they were the answer to my problem. However, it took all this time for me to figure out how to use coconut fat to replace glucose. Obviously, there are a number of ways to overcome diseases. I believe this is just one of them. Thanks Rick On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Kristy Nardini <knardini@...>wrote: > > > I got to see Dr. Christiane Northrup's daughter speak last night and she > talked a great deal about inflammation throughout our bodies creating all > kinds of disease and it's all caused by and prevented by a low glycemic > (i.e. low " bad " carb) diet. She recommended reading " Healthy for Life " . > Then > I came home and had Dr. Oz on DVR and 3 of the 3 doctors he featured, all > renowned experts, including Dr. Christiane Northrup, emphasized a low > inflammation, i.e. low " bad carb " diet. So in response to your question, > and > from what Dr. G has reiterated to me countless times, our children need low > carbs to keep inflammation down. I refer to his diet recommendations as an > anti-inflammatory diet. > > Kristy Nardini > TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles > <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com > kristy@... > Phone: 858.243.1929 > Fax: 858.724.1418 > > <http://www.twitter.com/tazzini> Tweet with Us > <http://www.facebook.com/tazzinicompany> Follow on Facebook > > From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > Pedersen > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:35 PM > > Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? > Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > > > If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the > virus, then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the > sugar/carb consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to > the sugared varieties? > > Just curious > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 But he says no to coconut, right? Kristy Nardini TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com kristy@... Phone: 858.243.1929 Fax: 858.724.1418 <http://www.twitter.com/tazzini> Tweet with Us <http://www.facebook.com/tazzinicompany> Follow on Facebook From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory Dr G used to actually say " Use a modified Zone diet - the maintenance diet. " So he is very much in agreement. He would prefer that our kids get no sugar and very very limited carbs, only one serving (like half an apple) of fruit in a day. He's only ok w/ a piece of bread for the sole purpose of getting protein into the kids. I think it's probably pretty hard to get all parents to restrict their kids diets any more severely since so many have such food aversions and self restrict their foods anyway, not to mention growing little 3 year olds are harder to keep on as high a protein diet as an adult can tolerate. But the Zone is his most approved diet - the only " name " I've ever seen him reference. ________________________________ From: rick carbert <rickthelearner@... <mailto:rickthelearner%40gmail.com> > <mailto:%40> Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 5:46:37 AM Subject: Re: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory Hi Kristy: Thanks for the feedback. Naturally I agree with you since I started this thread. :-) It was basically a zero glucose diet that saved me after 25 years 3 months. I was better within a few months. One group of Polynesian's had 63% of their energy intake from coconut fat. The study was done in the sixties before they were corrupted with the modern high glucose diet. My diet is about 75% coconut fat, so I don't consider it that much different than the Polynesian diet. I would suggest people read a few of The Zone books by Dr Barry Sears if they wish additional resources regarding glucose and inflammation. For example, " Enter the Zone " and " The Anti-Inflammation Zone " . In my opinion they are highly relevant to diseases. He even specifically addresses diseases in his books. They are fantastic for a healthy person to stay healthy. However, for a person, the diet still has too much glucose. I started reading them back in the nineties, and believed they were the answer to my problem. However, it took all this time for me to figure out how to use coconut fat to replace glucose. Obviously, there are a number of ways to overcome diseases. I believe this is just one of them. Thanks Rick On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Kristy Nardini <knardini@... <mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> >wrote: > > > I got to see Dr. Christiane Northrup's daughter speak last night and she > talked a great deal about inflammation throughout our bodies creating all > kinds of disease and it's all caused by and prevented by a low glycemic > (i.e. low " bad " carb) diet. She recommended reading " Healthy for Life " . > Then > I came home and had Dr. Oz on DVR and 3 of the 3 doctors he featured, all > renowned experts, including Dr. Christiane Northrup, emphasized a low > inflammation, i.e. low " bad carb " diet. So in response to your question, > and > from what Dr. G has reiterated to me countless times, our children need low > carbs to keep inflammation down. I refer to his diet recommendations as an > anti-inflammatory diet. > > Kristy Nardini > TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles > <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com > kristy@... <mailto:kristy%40tazzini.com> > Phone: 858.243.1929 > Fax: 858.724.1418 > > <http://www.twitter.com/tazzini> Tweet with Us > <http://www.facebook.com/tazzinicompany> Follow on Facebook > > From: <mailto:%40> [mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of > Pedersen > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:35 PM > <mailto:%40> > Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? > Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > > > If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the > virus, then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the > sugar/carb consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to > the sugared varieties? > > Just curious > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Right. But hey, it's nasty anyway!  Especially the unrefined - have you eaten that? Ug - you taste it for days.  (Sour grapes...) ________________________________ From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@...> Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 11:33:07 PM Subject: RE: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory  But he says no to coconut, right? Kristy Nardini TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com kristy@... Phone: 858.243.1929 Fax: 858.724.1418 <http://www.twitter.com/tazzini> Tweet with Us <http://www.facebook.com/tazzinicompany> Follow on Facebook From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory Dr G used to actually say " Use a modified Zone diet - the maintenance diet. " So he is very much in agreement. He would prefer that our kids get no sugar and very very limited carbs, only one serving (like half an apple) of fruit in a day. He's only ok w/ a piece of bread for the sole purpose of getting protein into the kids. I think it's probably pretty hard to get all parents to restrict their kids diets any more severely since so many have such food aversions and self restrict their foods anyway, not to mention growing little 3 year olds are harder to keep on as high a protein diet as an adult can tolerate. But the Zone is his most approved diet - the only " name " I've ever seen him reference. ________________________________ From: rick carbert <rickthelearner@... <mailto:rickthelearner%40gmail.com> > <mailto:%40> Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 5:46:37 AM Subject: Re: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory Hi Kristy: Thanks for the feedback. Naturally I agree with you since I started this thread. :-) It was basically a zero glucose diet that saved me after 25 years 3 months. I was better within a few months. One group of Polynesian's had 63% of their energy intake from coconut fat. The study was done in the sixties before they were corrupted with the modern high glucose diet. My diet is about 75% coconut fat, so I don't consider it that much different than the Polynesian diet. I would suggest people read a few of The Zone books by Dr Barry Sears if they wish additional resources regarding glucose and inflammation. For example, " Enter the Zone " and " The Anti-Inflammation Zone " . In my opinion they are highly relevant to diseases. He even specifically addresses diseases in his books. They are fantastic for a healthy person to stay healthy. However, for a person, the diet still has too much glucose. I started reading them back in the nineties, and believed they were the answer to my problem. However, it took all this time for me to figure out how to use coconut fat to replace glucose. Obviously, there are a number of ways to overcome diseases. I believe this is just one of them. Thanks Rick On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Kristy Nardini <knardini@... <mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> >wrote: > > > I got to see Dr. Christiane Northrup's daughter speak last night and she > talked a great deal about inflammation throughout our bodies creating all > kinds of disease and it's all caused by and prevented by a low glycemic > (i.e. low " bad " carb) diet. She recommended reading " Healthy for Life " . > Then > I came home and had Dr. Oz on DVR and 3 of the 3 doctors he featured, all > renowned experts, including Dr. Christiane Northrup, emphasized a low > inflammation, i.e. low " bad carb " diet. So in response to your question, > and > from what Dr. G has reiterated to me countless times, our children need low > carbs to keep inflammation down. I refer to his diet recommendations as an > anti-inflammatory diet. > > Kristy Nardini > TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles > <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com > kristy@... <mailto:kristy%40tazzini.com> > Phone: 858.243.1929 > Fax: 858.724.1418 > > <http://www.twitter.com/tazzini> Tweet with Us > <http://www.facebook.com/tazzinicompany> Follow on Facebook > > From: <mailto:%40> >[mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of > Pedersen > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:35 PM > <mailto:%40> > Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? > Glucose....neuro-inflammatory > > > If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the > virus, then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the > sugar/carb consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to > the sugared varieties? > > Just curious > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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