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Hey Rick,

These are interesting observations you are making, but I have to say that I

disagree with you.

I have CFS and I am on a GFCF and sugar free diet, and while that did quell some

of my symptoms, I am still sick. 

I also have a child with autism...my other kids are showing signs of illness. 

This is a family affair and I think we are all sharing the same pathogen that

causes immune dysfunction, I believe that pathogen is a retrovirus:XMRV.

-Jen

From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...>

Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM

 

Hi:

I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally found

someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and other related

diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone through some twice!

I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe food is

the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here?

I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first believed

the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis instead of

eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in '98. I believe

now I have found a different approach to the neuro-inflammation riddle.

Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the parents

in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about watching Dr.

Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior.

If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think I am

too) then here is what I am saying.

The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally understood that,

I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To me, all

sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the

bloodstream..glucose).

I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was able to

escape CFS with a few months!

I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that might

be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the movie, did

you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very long chain fatty

acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is why to me the GFCFSF

diets fail....because they still include glucose.

Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found key to

my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my meal plan.

I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have to say

and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type?

Sincerely:

Rick

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Hi :

Thanks for your feedback. Can you tell me what diet you used to go

completely sugar free?

Thx

Rick

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Hankinson <jlhank80@...>wrote:

>

>

> Hey Rick,

> These are interesting observations you are making, but I have to say that I

> disagree with you.

> I have CFS and I am on a GFCF and sugar free diet, and while that did quell

> some of my symptoms, I am still sick.

> I also have a child with autism...my other kids are showing signs of

> illness. This is a family affair and I think we are all sharing the same

> pathogen that causes immune dysfunction, I believe that pathogen is a

> retrovirus:XMRV.

> -Jen

>

>

>

> From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...>

> Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM

>

>

>

>

> Hi:

> I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally

> found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and

> other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone through

> some twice!

> I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe food

> is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here?

> I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first

> believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis

> instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in

> '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the

> neuro-inflammation riddle.

> Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the

> parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about

> watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior.

> If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think I

> am too) then here is what I am saying.

> The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally understood

> that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To me,

> all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the

> bloodstream..glucose).

> I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was able

> to escape CFS with a few months!

> I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that

> might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the

> movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very

> long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is why

> to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose.

> Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found

> key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my

> meal plan.

> I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have

> to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type?

> Sincerely:

> Rick

>

>

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On a similar note--

I have a son with autism (not doing at this point) and seizures. He seems

to benefit from a low-carb diet (although have not jumped on the MAD diet yet

due to multiple food allergies). My hubby came down with diabetes last year. I

kept telling him to go low, low carb and NO SUGAR. Now that he is finally doing

this (eight months later...), the neuropathy in his feet is significantly

subsiding.

FWIW

>

>

> From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...>

> Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Hi:

> I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally

found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and other

related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone through some

twice!

> I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe food is

the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here?

> I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first believed

the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis instead of

eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in '98. I believe

now I have found a different approach to the neuro-inflammation riddle.

> Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the

parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about

watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior.

> If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think I am

too) then here is what I am saying.

> The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally understood

that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To me, all

sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the

bloodstream..glucose).

> I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was able to

escape CFS with a few months!

> I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that

might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the

movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very long

chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is why to me the

GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose.

> Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found key

to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my meal

plan.

> I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have to

say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type?

> Sincerely:

> Rick

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi:

How is your son doing now? When I say no sugar, what I mean is that

since the body only allows glucose into the blood stream, I refer to all

sugar, carbs, etc as glucose.

So I get about 400 calories ( max 100G) per day from glucose ( cane

sugar) and the rest of my calories, about 1400, from ketones. I have

massive amounts of energy, clear head, no brain fog, etc. I believe

since I get so many of my calories from ketones, that this also denies

energy to gut pathogens. The cane sugar is part of my heated drink, so it

is absorbed across the stomach lining. Therefore, I don't think I am

passing ANY glucose at all to my small intestine.

I used to know that glucose was causing my problem because I could feel

it. Living with CFS to me was like being under a sheet of ice and trying to

break through. I knew day after day after year after year, that I wasn't

functioning but could not do anything. My first clue was after I had CFS

for about 7 years, I got sick with the flu and emptied my stomach. Right

away and for a day only, until I started eating, I had a clear brain for

the first time in years. So I strongly believe a gut/intestine pathogen is

causing toxins in our blood stream and affecting our brains.

So I have been eating like this for a year now. I can go biking ( I live

in Vancouver) and do everything anyone else does, EXCEPT a varied diet. To

me, this is no problem because of the old saying " I live to eat or eat to

live " . It's pretty obvious which one I choose. Protein is for the immune

system, so we only need about 70 to 90G per day, divided into small doses.

Fat (LCFA that is) is only to make us feel full, not for energy. Try

eating avocado and/or cow fat (butter, bacon, etc) for energy. Any

combination and we still feel hungry. When we check the science, we see

that LCFA are wrapped up in a delivery vehicle called chylomircon (basically

just a delivery vehicle because the body will not allow a foreign particle

like cow fat into the blood) and delivered into the blood where they are

delivered to the whole body. Since the brain can only burn glucose and

ketones, it can't use fat for energy. So some of the fat goes to the liver

which converts the fat to glucose and then dumps the glucose into the

bloodstream. Then the brain must compete with the rest of the body for the

preferred glucose.

You can try it yourself ( as I have). I had many avocados per day and

was still hungry.

So the solution for me is to drink my ketones, keep my stomach full with a

special meal I prepare and now I have a life again after 25 years.

Hopefully this helps somewhat.

Best wishes

Rick

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:12 AM, djajhooten <dhooten@...> wrote:

>

>

> On a similar note--

> I have a son with autism (not doing at this point) and seizures. He

> seems to benefit from a low-carb diet (although have not jumped on the MAD

> diet yet due to multiple food allergies). My hubby came down with diabetes

> last year. I kept telling him to go low, low carb and NO SUGAR. Now that he

> is finally doing this (eight months later...), the neuropathy in his feet is

> significantly subsiding.

>

> FWIW

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...>

>

> > Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

> Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi:

> > I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally

> found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and

> other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone through

> some twice!

> > I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe

> food is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here?

> > I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first

> believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis

> instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in

> '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the

> neuro-inflammation riddle.

> > Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the

> parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about

> watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior.

> > If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think

> I am too) then here is what I am saying.

> > The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally

> understood that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid

> glucose. ( To me, all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body

> allows in the bloodstream..glucose).

> > I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was

> able to escape CFS with a few months!

> > I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that

> might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the

> movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very

> long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is why

> to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose.

> > Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found

> key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my

> meal plan.

> > I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have

> to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type?

> > Sincerely:

> > Rick

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I just removed all simple sugars from my diet (even fruits), I am trying to keep

my blood sugar under control.  I havent removed all carbs, I still eat rice,

potato and gluten free bread and I do feel better but I am still not well. I

have headaches, fatigue, swollen lymph nodes, and more but I wont bore you. :)

If we had the money, our whole family would see Dr. !

-Jen :)

>

> From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...>

> Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM

>

>

>

>

> Hi:

> I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally

> found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and

> other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone through

> some twice!

> I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe food

> is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here?

> I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first

> believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis

> instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in

> '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the

> neuro-inflammation riddle.

> Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the

> parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about

> watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior.

> If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think I

> am too) then here is what I am saying.

> The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally understood

> that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To me,

> all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the

> bloodstream..glucose).

> I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was able

> to escape CFS with a few months!

> I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that

> might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the

> movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very

> long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is why

> to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose.

> Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found

> key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my

> meal plan.

> I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have

> to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type?

> Sincerely:

> Rick

>

>

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Hi :

Gluten free bread still has glucose, as does rice and potatoes, so to me,

this means gut pathogens still have an energy source.

Regards

Rick

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Hankinson <jlhank80@...>wrote:

>

>

> I just removed all simple sugars from my diet (even fruits), I am trying to

> keep my blood sugar under control. I havent removed all carbs, I still eat

> rice, potato and gluten free bread and I do feel better but I am still not

> well. I have headaches, fatigue, swollen lymph nodes, and more but I wont

> bore you. :)

> If we had the money, our whole family would see Dr. !

> -Jen :)

>

>

> >

> > From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...>

> > Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

> Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi:

> > I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally

> > found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and

> > other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone

> through

> > some twice!

> > I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe

> food

> > is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here?

> > I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first

> > believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis

> > instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in

> > '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the

> > neuro-inflammation riddle.

> > Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the

> > parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated

> about

> > watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior.

> > If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think

> I

> > am too) then here is what I am saying.

> > The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally

> understood

> > that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To

> me,

> > all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the

> > bloodstream..glucose).

> > I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was

> able

> > to escape CFS with a few months!

> > I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that

> > might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched

> the

> > movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA (

> very

> > long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is

> why

> > to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose.

> > Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found

> > key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating

> my

> > meal plan.

> > I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have

> > to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type?

> > Sincerely:

> > Rick

> >

> >

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The glucose aspect is interesting to me... I recently had a bout of stomach

bugs... where I couldn't eat off and on for 5 days and then 3 days a week or so

later.

It was amazing... For years I have very bad fibromayalgia pain, huge brain fog

to the point of confusion sometimes, constant headaches (I have to use advil way

too often) I haven't been able to do strenuous excersize in years because it

hurt too badly, sleep problems, and always being tired, extreme panic attacks (I

often need someone to call me in the AM if I am alone, because it feels like I'm

having a heart attack.. and I'm afraid for my son to wake up with no mommy... I

know these are panic attacks... but it doesn't help that much because the chest

pain, difficulty breathing, tight throat, etc. are real)

Any way... after these bouts of stomach sickness and little to no eating... here

is what happened... all of the above symptoms went away...(I was able to start

running, because it didn't hurt, no anxiety attacks, no headaches, etc.) It was

unbelievable. But as I started eating again, they started coming back with a

vengence. I started trying to implement Dr. Goldbergs diet for myself... but

found that if I ate almost anything at all the symptoms were coming back. I

definately noticed that sugars seem to affect me along with lots of other

things. It feels like the only things I can eat with out getting the symptoms

back are maybe lean meats, vegetables, and some fruit. I wish I had the self

discipline to eat like that, but I don't think I do.

Anyway the sugar aspect makes me wonder... it seems like it might end up being a

fit. It doesn't really help me with figuring out a diet I can manage/stick

to... but at least it might give me some information, and that's never a bad

thing.

My son is being treated by Dr. G , and seems to be doing great. I am going to

try to see him myself.

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Jennnifer, try reducing rice - and be wary of GF bread - some of the

substitute flours are allergens too. Potato is the least offensive carb it

seems

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Hankinson

Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 8:38 PM

Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

I just removed all simple sugars from my diet (even fruits), I am trying to

keep my blood sugar under control. I havent removed all carbs, I still eat

rice, potato and gluten free bread and I do feel better but I am still not

well. I have headaches, fatigue, swollen lymph nodes, and more but I wont

bore you. :)

If we had the money, our whole family would see Dr. !

-Jen :)

>

> From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...

<mailto:rickthelearner%40gmail.com> >

> Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

> <mailto:%40>

> Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM

>

>

>

>

> Hi:

> I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally

> found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and

> other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone

through

> some twice!

> I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe

food

> is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here?

> I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first

> believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis

> instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in

> '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the

> neuro-inflammation riddle.

> Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the

> parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about

> watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior.

> If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think

I

> am too) then here is what I am saying.

> The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally understood

> that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To

me,

> all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the

> bloodstream..glucose).

> I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was

able

> to escape CFS with a few months!

> I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that

> might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the

> movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very

> long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is

why

> to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose.

> Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found

> key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my

> meal plan.

> I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have

> to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type?

> Sincerely:

> Rick

>

>

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Thanks for the heads up!  Actually rice seems to be okay for me...I have

figured out everything that makes me sick...for now! :)

>

> From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...

<mailto:rickthelearner%40gmail.com> >

> Subject: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

> <mailto:%40>

> Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM

>

>

>

>

> Hi:

> I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I finally

> found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and

> other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone

through

> some twice!

> I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe

food

> is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here?

> I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first

> believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis

> instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in

> '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the

> neuro-inflammation riddle.

> Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the

> parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about

> watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior.

> If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to think

I

> am too) then here is what I am saying.

> The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally understood

> that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid glucose. ( To

me,

> all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the body allows in the

> bloodstream..glucose).

> I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was

able

> to escape CFS with a few months!

> I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors " that

> might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the

> movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very

> long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is

why

> to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose.

> Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found

> key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my

> meal plan.

> I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I have

> to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type?

> Sincerely:

> Rick

>

>

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Hi:

I believe that there is a better diet than what we have read about, including

the SCD, GFCF, etc. Just as when the Lorenzo's found a solution, I believe

there is a better meal. However, I am curious as to whether the group is

interested in the science, because we quite naturally don't make changes without

knowing the science.

For example, we know saturated fat(cow/pig) is extremely bad for us and causes

oxidative stress. The scientists gave us a clue when they said it was

saturated. Saturated with...? With hydrogen.

Google: " h plyori hydrogen " Those 3 words. Do you know want causes ulcers?

I just asked this of two people yesterday and they said stress. I have only one

person in all the time I ask this who told me bacteria. For 20 years we have

know that this bacteria causes ulcers and can be cured with anti-biotics. It

took the scientist in the 80's who discovered this ten years to have his fellow

doctors prescribe anti-biotics for it.

As mentioned, we seem to know that it is glucose causing the problem,

but to gut pathogens, it is all glucose. rice, GFCF, potato, bread, organic or

not, baked, fried, natural...gut pathogens don't care what we humans call it or

how we prepare it.

Wouldn't it be better if we nourished our cells but provided NO glucose to the

intestines? Wouldn't that be the ideal meal?

Thanks for your time

Rick

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LOL the sugar is tough! I'm such a sugar addict I think I need to

create a sugar anonymous group to help.

I've noticed an odd difference recently.  We hear all about the evils of high

fructose corn syrup, but I am prone to break my diet with a dr pepper.  I love

them, I crave them, a day doesn't go by where I don't wish I had one.  If I do

buy it, I'll drink it all.  It's also harder to stay committed because I don't

really seem to have much side effect from it but I know it's loaded with sugar

so well you know.  But I do occasionally fall - but I don't eat other sweets or

ice creams etc (most of the time), or heaven help me most pizza (although

there's one kind of thin crust I can eat w/out problems). 

But one day I tried one of those 'retro' sodas made from real sugar, and the

next day my gut was so full of yeast - or at least inflamed - I was in agony,

and it took days to go away.  Well I didn't make the connection until I tried

another one (yeah I'm real bright sometimes), and the same thing happened.  

(They were nasty anyway.)

Anyways, I've wondered periodically what the difference was, especially since we

hear high fructose corn syrup is the death of us all, the devil of all foods,

but I tolerate it (not that I should have it - I know.  I know.), but not real

sugar.  Hmmm.

Great.  Now I wish I had a Dr Pepper.  :)

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From: Pedersen <mpedestrian@...>

Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 1:16:57 PM

Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

 

The glucose aspect is interesting to me... I recently had a bout of stomach

bugs... where I couldn't eat off and on for 5 days and then 3 days a week or so

later.

It was amazing... For years I have very bad fibromayalgia pain, huge brain fog

to the point of confusion sometimes, constant headaches (I have to use advil way

too often) I haven't been able to do strenuous excersize in years because it

hurt too badly, sleep problems, and always being tired, extreme panic attacks (I

often need someone to call me in the AM if I am alone, because it feels like I'm

having a heart attack.. and I'm afraid for my son to wake up with no mommy... I

know these are panic attacks... but it doesn't help that much because the chest

pain, difficulty breathing, tight throat, etc. are real)

Any way... after these bouts of stomach sickness and little to no eating... here

is what happened... all of the above symptoms went away...(I was able to start

running, because it didn't hurt, no anxiety attacks, no headaches, etc.) It was

unbelievable. But as I started eating again, they started coming back with a

vengence. I started trying to implement Dr. Goldbergs diet for myself... but

found that if I ate almost anything at all the symptoms were coming back. I

definately noticed that sugars seem to affect me along with lots of other

things. It feels like the only things I can eat with out getting the symptoms

back are maybe lean meats, vegetables, and some fruit. I wish I had the self

discipline to eat like that, but I don't think I do.

Anyway the sugar aspect makes me wonder... it seems like it might end up being a

fit. It doesn't really help me with figuring out a diet I can manage/stick to...

but at least it might give me some information, and that's never a bad thing.

My son is being treated by Dr. G , and seems to be doing great. I am going to

try to see him myself.

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Rick I think you are ignoring a huge part of neuroimmune disease recovery, even

though diet and gastrointestinal issues are a so important in decreasing the

inflammation load in our children and ourselves, there is an infectious organism

that may be the root of all of this illness and that is a retrovirus that is

most likely causing immune dysfunction: XMRV.  If XMRV is in fact the culprit,

starving the body of glucose isn't going to stop XMRV from replicating one

bit.  Viruses are obligate parasites, meaning they have no metabolic functions

whatsoever, they do not need glucose to survive.

Another extremely big piece of the puzzle is addressing other viruses, like

herpesviruses that live in the Central Nervous System.  Whether you eat glucose

or not, it will not make a difference.  Kids with these smoldering herpes

infections need antiviral medication, not a diet change.

We can wait around forever for a quick cure with our kids but it is not going

to happen.  This is a complex, heterogeneous illness involving many systems in

the body, not just gastrointestinal.

Best wishes,

Jen

From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...>

Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 8:02 PM

 

Hi:

I believe that there is a better diet than what we have read about, including

the SCD, GFCF, etc. Just as when the Lorenzo's found a solution, I believe there

is a better meal. However, I am curious as to whether the group is interested in

the science, because we quite naturally don't make changes without knowing the

science.

For example, we know saturated fat(cow/pig) is extremely bad for us and causes

oxidative stress. The scientists gave us a clue when they said it was saturated.

Saturated with...? With hydrogen.

Google: " h plyori hydrogen " Those 3 words. Do you know want causes ulcers? I

just asked this of two people yesterday and they said stress. I have only one

person in all the time I ask this who told me bacteria. For 20 years we have

know that this bacteria causes ulcers and can be cured with anti-biotics. It

took the scientist in the 80's who discovered this ten years to have his fellow

doctors prescribe anti-biotics for it.

As mentioned, we seem to know that it is glucose causing the problem,

but to gut pathogens, it is all glucose. rice, GFCF, potato, bread, organic or

not, baked, fried, natural...gut pathogens don't care what we humans call it or

how we prepare it.

Wouldn't it be better if we nourished our cells but provided NO glucose to the

intestines? Wouldn't that be the ideal meal?

Thanks for your time

Rick

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Hi :

The body does not starve. The body burns ketones. Glucose is NOT burned

by the cells. The cells break the glucose down into two pieces. Ketones.

I do not attempt to address or define what the specific pathogen is. I

let the body do that. :-)

I get my energy from ketones, not glucose. Therefore, I am NEVER hungry, my

cells are nourished and the pathogens are denied an energy source.

Thx

Rick

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Hankinson <jlhank80@...>wrote:

>

>

> Rick I think you are ignoring a huge part of neuroimmune disease recovery,

> even though diet and gastrointestinal issues are a so important in

> decreasing the inflammation load in our children and ourselves, there is an

> infectious organism that may be the root of all of this illness and that is

> a retrovirus that is most likely causing immune dysfunction: XMRV. If XMRV

> is in fact the culprit, starving the body of glucose isn't going to stop

> XMRV from replicating one bit. Viruses are obligate parasites, meaning they

> have no metabolic functions whatsoever, they do not need glucose to survive.

> Another extremely big piece of the puzzle is addressing other viruses, like

> herpesviruses that live in the Central Nervous System. Whether you eat

> glucose or not, it will not make a difference. Kids with these smoldering

> herpes infections need antiviral medication, not a diet change.

> We can wait around forever for a quick cure with our kids but it is not

> going to happen. This is a complex, heterogeneous illness involving many

> systems in the body, not just gastrointestinal.

> Best wishes,

> Jen

>

>

>

>

> From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...>

> Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

> Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

>

> Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 8:02 PM

>

>

>

>

> Hi:

> I believe that there is a better diet than what we have read about,

> including the SCD, GFCF, etc. Just as when the Lorenzo's found a solution, I

> believe there is a better meal. However, I am curious as to whether the

> group is interested in the science, because we quite naturally don't make

> changes without knowing the science.

> For example, we know saturated fat(cow/pig) is extremely bad for us and

> causes oxidative stress. The scientists gave us a clue when they said it was

> saturated. Saturated with...? With hydrogen.

> Google: " h plyori hydrogen " Those 3 words. Do you know want causes ulcers?

> I just asked this of two people yesterday and they said stress. I have only

> one person in all the time I ask this who told me bacteria. For 20 years we

> have know that this bacteria causes ulcers and can be cured with

> anti-biotics. It took the scientist in the 80's who discovered this ten

> years to have his fellow doctors prescribe anti-biotics for it.

> As mentioned, we seem to know that it is glucose causing the

> problem, but to gut pathogens, it is all glucose. rice, GFCF, potato, bread,

> organic or not, baked, fried, natural...gut pathogens don't care what we

> humans call it or how we prepare it.

> Wouldn't it be better if we nourished our cells but provided NO glucose to

> the intestines? Wouldn't that be the ideal meal?

> Thanks for your time

> Rick

>

>

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If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the virus,

then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the sugar/carb

consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to the sugared

varieties?

Just curious

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Rick,

I think that you can have issues from many different sources, depends on the

person/body type, etc. etc. However, I don't think you could just 100

percent drop glucose. Our brains, esp our kids, need it. Maybe not in

loads, but the cells need/depend on it. I just copied a little info below

from google/livestrong, which has some good info.

I think we need to be careful, nothing is 100 on/off, good/bad for everyone.

I think perhaps for you it may help and for some to go very low, but for

some bodies, it may be dangerous (don't know, just sayin').

Just like the whole virus issue below. For Jen's kids they may have xmrv.

For my son who's autistic and I know he's really sick, he may have a a

different virus reaking havoc in his little body. Not sure, but I won't

give up until I find out and make him better.

kathi

Overview

The human body is made up of cells, each one of which needs to be able to

provide for its energy needs by taking up nutritional molecules from the

bloodstream and chemically burning them as part of cellular metabolism.

Glucose is an important nutrient molecule that cells rely upon for energy,

both as a component of diet <http://www.livestrong.com/diet-and-nutrition/>

and when stored for later use in the form of the carbohydrate molecule

glycogen.

Function

The function of glucose in the body is an energy molecule. Cells take up

glucose absorbed by the digestive tract and either use the glucose or store

it for later. While proteins and fat

<http://www.livestrong.com/body-fat-and-muscle/> also provide cells with

energy, some body cells -- the cells of the brain in particular --

preferentially rely upon glucose, notes Dr. lee Sherwood in her book,

" Human Physiology. " Further, glucose breaks down into smaller molecules that

provide building blocks for many cellular products.

Read more:

<http://www.livestrong.com/article/271209-why-do-we-need-glucose-in-our-diet

/#ixzz1DIfPVMwb>

http://www.livestrong.com/article/271209-why-do-we-need-glucose-in-our-diet/

#ixzz1DIfPVMwb

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carbert

Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 2:49 PM

Subject: Re: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

Hi :

The body does not starve. The body burns ketones. Glucose is NOT burned

by the cells. The cells break the glucose down into two pieces. Ketones.

I do not attempt to address or define what the specific pathogen is. I

let the body do that. :-)

I get my energy from ketones, not glucose. Therefore, I am NEVER hungry, my

cells are nourished and the pathogens are denied an energy source.

Thx

Rick

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Hankinson <jlhank80@...

<mailto:jlhank80%40> >wrote:

>

>

> Rick I think you are ignoring a huge part of neuroimmune disease recovery,

> even though diet and gastrointestinal issues are a so important in

> decreasing the inflammation load in our children and ourselves, there is

an

> infectious organism that may be the root of all of this illness and that

is

> a retrovirus that is most likely causing immune dysfunction: XMRV. If XMRV

> is in fact the culprit, starving the body of glucose isn't going to stop

> XMRV from replicating one bit. Viruses are obligate parasites, meaning

they

> have no metabolic functions whatsoever, they do not need glucose to

survive.

> Another extremely big piece of the puzzle is addressing other viruses,

like

> herpesviruses that live in the Central Nervous System. Whether you eat

> glucose or not, it will not make a difference. Kids with these smoldering

> herpes infections need antiviral medication, not a diet change.

> We can wait around forever for a quick cure with our kids but it is not

> going to happen. This is a complex, heterogeneous illness involving many

> systems in the body, not just gastrointestinal.

> Best wishes,

> Jen

>

>

>

>

> From: rickasia2008 <rickthelearner@...

<mailto:rickthelearner%40gmail.com> >

> Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

> Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

> <mailto:%40>

> Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 8:02 PM

>

>

>

>

> Hi:

> I believe that there is a better diet than what we have read about,

> including the SCD, GFCF, etc. Just as when the Lorenzo's found a solution,

I

> believe there is a better meal. However, I am curious as to whether the

> group is interested in the science, because we quite naturally don't make

> changes without knowing the science.

> For example, we know saturated fat(cow/pig) is extremely bad for us and

> causes oxidative stress. The scientists gave us a clue when they said it

was

> saturated. Saturated with...? With hydrogen.

> Google: " h plyori hydrogen " Those 3 words. Do you know want causes ulcers?

> I just asked this of two people yesterday and they said stress. I have

only

> one person in all the time I ask this who told me bacteria. For 20 years

we

> have know that this bacteria causes ulcers and can be cured with

> anti-biotics. It took the scientist in the 80's who discovered this ten

> years to have his fellow doctors prescribe anti-biotics for it.

> As mentioned, we seem to know that it is glucose causing the

> problem, but to gut pathogens, it is all glucose. rice, GFCF, potato,

bread,

> organic or not, baked, fried, natural...gut pathogens don't care what we

> humans call it or how we prepare it.

> Wouldn't it be better if we nourished our cells but provided NO glucose to

> the intestines? Wouldn't that be the ideal meal?

> Thanks for your time

> Rick

>

>

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Rick, what diet is that you follow. Like what do you eat in one day? Just

curious b/c of the brain fog thing and you saying glucose doesn't get in

your diet much and supposedly that's what the brain cells need most and rely

on most. However, maybe it's different for you b/c you are an adult and our

kids brains are growing and they may need more glucose for their brain

cells.

Just wondering what a day of food looks like for you.

Thanks kathi

New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

> Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 7:43 PM

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi:

> > I found one of Dr Goldberg's videos on YouTube 2 nights ago and I

finally

> found someone that understands about the commonality of CFS, autism and

> other related diseases. I went through all his videos and have gone

through

> some twice!

> > I believe I have a diet that will be of interest to those that believe

> food is the underlying cause of neuro-inflammation. Why I am here?

> > I came down with CFS when I was 27 years old and I am now 54. I first

> believed the root cause ( I was in Telco so we use root cause analysis

> instead of eitology...lol)of my problem was internal inflammation back in

> '98. I believe now I have found a different approach to the

> neuro-inflammation riddle.

> > Has anyone here seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil? I refer to anyone like the

> parents in the movie as Lorenzo Warriors. That is what I appreciated about

> watching Dr. Goldberg's video. He strikes me as being a Lorenzo Warrior.

> > If you have seen that movie and are that type of person ( I like to

think

> I am too) then here is what I am saying.

> > The root cause of neuro-inflammation is glucose. When I finally

> understood that, I was able to create a meal plan for myself to avoid

> glucose. ( To me, all sugar, carbs are glucose because that is all the

body

> allows in the bloodstream..glucose).

> > I am " irked " because after all those years ( 25 years, 3 months) I was

> able to escape CFS with a few months!

> > I hope I am in the right place and can find a few " Lorenzo Warriors "

that

> might be interested in what I have to say? For example, if you watched the

> movie, did you notice how they had to focus on and understand VLCFA ( very

> long chain fatty acids) to understand the disease of their son? This is

why

> to me the GFCFSF diets fail....because they still include glucose.

> > Understanding or being aware of this type of information is what I found

> key to my finally understanding neuro-inflammatory disease and creating my

> meal plan.

> > I so hope there is someone here that is interested in hearing what I

have

> to say and might be a Lorenzo Warrior learning type?

> > Sincerely:

> > Rick

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear rick ,

I guess I am poorly informed, I would like to know what are ketones and which

foods have them ? What should one eat for the same ?

Thanks

Sunira

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Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

> Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

>

> Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 8:02 PM

>

>

>

>

> Hi:

> I believe that there is a better diet than what we have read about,

> including the SCD, GFCF, etc. Just as when the Lorenzo's found a solution, I

> believe there is a better meal. However, I am curious as to whether the

> group is interested in the science, because we quite naturally don't make

> changes without knowing the science.

> For example, we know saturated fat(cow/pig) is extremely bad for us and

> causes oxidative stress. The scientists gave us a clue when they said it was

> saturated. Saturated with...? With hydrogen.

> Google: " h plyori hydrogen " Those 3 words. Do you know want causes ulcers?

> I just asked this of two people yesterday and they said stress. I have only

> one person in all the time I ask this who told me bacteria. For 20 years we

> have know that this bacteria causes ulcers and can be cured with

> anti-biotics. It took the scientist in the 80's who discovered this ten

> years to have his fellow doctors prescribe anti-biotics for it.

> As mentioned, we seem to know that it is glucose causing the

> problem, but to gut pathogens, it is all glucose. rice, GFCF, potato, bread,

> organic or not, baked, fried, natural...gut pathogens don't care what we

> humans call it or how we prepare it.

> Wouldn't it be better if we nourished our cells but provided NO glucose to

> the intestines? Wouldn't that be the ideal meal?

> Thanks for your time

> Rick

>

>

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I got to see Dr. Christiane Northrup's daughter speak last night and she

talked a great deal about inflammation throughout our bodies creating all

kinds of disease and it's all caused by and prevented by a low glycemic

(i.e. low " bad " carb) diet. She recommended reading " Healthy for Life " . Then

I came home and had Dr. Oz on DVR and 3 of the 3 doctors he featured, all

renowned experts, including Dr. Christiane Northrup, emphasized a low

inflammation, i.e. low " bad carb " diet. So in response to your question, and

from what Dr. G has reiterated to me countless times, our children need low

carbs to keep inflammation down. I refer to his diet recommendations as an

anti-inflammatory diet.

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If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the

virus, then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the

sugar/carb consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to

the sugared varieties?

Just curious

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Hi Kristy:

Thanks for the feedback. Naturally I agree with you since I started this

thread. :-) It was basically a zero glucose diet that saved me after 25

years 3 months. I was better within a few months.

One group of Polynesian's had 63% of their energy intake from coconut

fat. The study was done in the sixties before they were corrupted with the

modern high glucose diet. My diet is about 75% coconut fat, so I don't

consider it that much different than the Polynesian diet.

I would suggest people read a few of The Zone books by Dr Barry Sears if

they wish additional resources regarding glucose and inflammation. For

example, " Enter the Zone " and " The Anti-Inflammation Zone " . In my opinion

they are highly relevant to diseases. He even specifically addresses

diseases in his books.

They are fantastic for a healthy person to stay healthy. However, for a

person, the diet still has too much glucose. I started reading them

back in the nineties, and believed they were the answer to my problem.

However, it took all this time for me to figure out how to use coconut fat

to replace glucose.

Obviously, there are a number of ways to overcome diseases. I

believe this is just one of them.

Thanks

Rick

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>

>

> I got to see Dr. Christiane Northrup's daughter speak last night and she

> talked a great deal about inflammation throughout our bodies creating all

> kinds of disease and it's all caused by and prevented by a low glycemic

> (i.e. low " bad " carb) diet. She recommended reading " Healthy for Life " .

> Then

> I came home and had Dr. Oz on DVR and 3 of the 3 doctors he featured, all

> renowned experts, including Dr. Christiane Northrup, emphasized a low

> inflammation, i.e. low " bad carb " diet. So in response to your question,

> and

> from what Dr. G has reiterated to me countless times, our children need low

> carbs to keep inflammation down. I refer to his diet recommendations as an

> anti-inflammatory diet.

>

> Kristy Nardini

> TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles

> <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com

> kristy@...

> Phone: 858.243.1929

> Fax: 858.724.1418

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> From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> Pedersen

> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:35 PM

>

> Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

> Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

>

>

> If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the

> virus, then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the

> sugar/carb consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to

> the sugared varieties?

>

> Just curious

>

>

>

>

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Many reasons, but one is that the insulin response directly activates certain

cytokines that are inflammatory.  I'll try to remember to repost some of those

studies, or you might be able to do a search in the

archives...

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Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 12:34:43 AM

Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors? Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

 

If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the virus,

then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the sugar/carb

consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to the sugared

varieties?

Just curious

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After having an appt with my son's neurologist, she mentioned that our local

hospital (children's hosp in Columbus, OH) offers a Ketogenic and modified

Atkins diet program to reduce seizures. I am seriously contemplating this but

the major drawback is that my son cannot have dairy (he has an IgE allergy to

cow's milk). I am still waiting to hear back from them to see if this diet would

be possible without the dairy. I am so mad at myself because I had access

yesterday to a science paper called " Application of a Ketogenic Diet in Children

with Autistic Behavior: Pilot Study " but now I cannot access it. I wish to heck

I saved it. Anyway, this was rather interesting in that they saw remarkable

improvement (the bad news is that kiddos going with the higher scores did even

better than the more severe cases). However, it was interesting in that they

speculated that this diet helps with mitochondrial repair. Personally, I am

wondering if starving the cells of glucose actually starves viruses. I just keep

on thinking of that expression, " feed a cold, starve a fever " .

Cheers,

Jill

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The cells don't burn glucose, they burn ketones. The cell breaks the

glucose into two pieces, THEN the cells are able to get energy from them.

The liver converts coconut fat to ketones and puts it into the blood. It is

the most natural, healthy way to nourish your body while not supplying

glucose to pathogens.

All the answers are on the Internet. :-)

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:48 AM, sjillboyer <sjillboyer@...> wrote:

>

>

> After having an appt with my son's neurologist, she mentioned that our

> local hospital (children's hosp in Columbus, OH) offers a Ketogenic and

> modified Atkins diet program to reduce seizures. I am seriously

> contemplating this but the major drawback is that my son cannot have dairy

> (he has an IgE allergy to cow's milk). I am still waiting to hear back from

> them to see if this diet would be possible without the dairy. I am so mad at

> myself because I had access yesterday to a science paper called " Application

> of a Ketogenic Diet in Children with Autistic Behavior: Pilot Study " but now

> I cannot access it. I wish to heck I saved it. Anyway, this was rather

> interesting in that they saw remarkable improvement (the bad news is that

> kiddos going with the higher scores did even better than the more severe

> cases). However, it was interesting in that they speculated that this diet

> helps with mitochondrial repair. Personally, I am wondering if starving the

> cells of glucose actually starves viruses. I just keep on thinking of that

> expression, " feed a cold, starve a fever " .

>

> Cheers,

>

> Jill

>

>

>

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Dr G used to actually say " Use a modified Zone diet - the maintenance diet. "  

So

he is very much in agreement.  He would prefer that our kids get no sugar and

very very limited carbs, only one serving (like half an apple) of fruit in a

day. He's only ok w/ a piece of bread for the sole purpose of getting protein

into the kids.  I think it's probably pretty hard to get all parents to

restrict

their kids diets any more severely since so many have such food aversions and

self restrict their foods anyway, not to mention growing little 3 year olds are

harder to keep on as high a protein diet as an adult can tolerate.  But the

Zone

is his most approved diet - the only " name " I've ever seen him reference.

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Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 5:46:37 AM

Subject: Re: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

 

Hi Kristy:

Thanks for the feedback. Naturally I agree with you since I started this

thread. :-) It was basically a zero glucose diet that saved me after 25

years 3 months. I was better within a few months.

One group of Polynesian's had 63% of their energy intake from coconut

fat. The study was done in the sixties before they were corrupted with the

modern high glucose diet. My diet is about 75% coconut fat, so I don't

consider it that much different than the Polynesian diet.

I would suggest people read a few of The Zone books by Dr Barry Sears if

they wish additional resources regarding glucose and inflammation. For

example, " Enter the Zone " and " The Anti-Inflammation Zone " . In my opinion

they are highly relevant to diseases. He even specifically addresses

diseases in his books.

They are fantastic for a healthy person to stay healthy. However, for a

person, the diet still has too much glucose. I started reading them

back in the nineties, and believed they were the answer to my problem.

However, it took all this time for me to figure out how to use coconut fat

to replace glucose.

Obviously, there are a number of ways to overcome diseases. I

believe this is just one of them.

Thanks

Rick

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Kristy Nardini <knardini@...>wrote:

>

>

> I got to see Dr. Christiane Northrup's daughter speak last night and she

> talked a great deal about inflammation throughout our bodies creating all

> kinds of disease and it's all caused by and prevented by a low glycemic

> (i.e. low " bad " carb) diet. She recommended reading " Healthy for Life " .

> Then

> I came home and had Dr. Oz on DVR and 3 of the 3 doctors he featured, all

> renowned experts, including Dr. Christiane Northrup, emphasized a low

> inflammation, i.e. low " bad carb " diet. So in response to your question,

> and

> from what Dr. G has reiterated to me countless times, our children need low

> carbs to keep inflammation down. I refer to his diet recommendations as an

> anti-inflammatory diet.

>

> Kristy Nardini

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> From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> Pedersen

> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:35 PM

>

> Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

> Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

>

>

> If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the

> virus, then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the

> sugar/carb consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to

> the sugared varieties?

>

> Just curious

>

>

>

>

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But he says no to coconut, right?

Kristy Nardini

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Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:22 PM

Subject: Re: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

Dr G used to actually say " Use a modified Zone diet - the maintenance diet. " So

he is very much in agreement. He would prefer that our kids get no sugar and

very very limited carbs, only one serving (like half an apple) of fruit in a

day. He's only ok w/ a piece of bread for the sole purpose of getting protein

into the kids. I think it's probably pretty hard to get all parents to restrict

their kids diets any more severely since so many have such food aversions and

self restrict their foods anyway, not to mention growing little 3 year olds are

harder to keep on as high a protein diet as an adult can tolerate. But the Zone

is his most approved diet - the only " name " I've ever seen him reference.

________________________________

From: rick carbert <rickthelearner@... <mailto:rickthelearner%40gmail.com>

>

<mailto:%40>

Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 5:46:37 AM

Subject: Re: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

Hi Kristy:

Thanks for the feedback. Naturally I agree with you since I started this

thread. :-) It was basically a zero glucose diet that saved me after 25

years 3 months. I was better within a few months.

One group of Polynesian's had 63% of their energy intake from coconut

fat. The study was done in the sixties before they were corrupted with the

modern high glucose diet. My diet is about 75% coconut fat, so I don't

consider it that much different than the Polynesian diet.

I would suggest people read a few of The Zone books by Dr Barry Sears if

they wish additional resources regarding glucose and inflammation. For

example, " Enter the Zone " and " The Anti-Inflammation Zone " . In my opinion

they are highly relevant to diseases. He even specifically addresses

diseases in his books.

They are fantastic for a healthy person to stay healthy. However, for a

person, the diet still has too much glucose. I started reading them

back in the nineties, and believed they were the answer to my problem.

However, it took all this time for me to figure out how to use coconut fat

to replace glucose.

Obviously, there are a number of ways to overcome diseases. I

believe this is just one of them.

Thanks

Rick

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Kristy Nardini <knardini@...

<mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> >wrote:

>

>

> I got to see Dr. Christiane Northrup's daughter speak last night and she

> talked a great deal about inflammation throughout our bodies creating all

> kinds of disease and it's all caused by and prevented by a low glycemic

> (i.e. low " bad " carb) diet. She recommended reading " Healthy for Life " .

> Then

> I came home and had Dr. Oz on DVR and 3 of the 3 doctors he featured, all

> renowned experts, including Dr. Christiane Northrup, emphasized a low

> inflammation, i.e. low " bad carb " diet. So in response to your question,

> and

> from what Dr. G has reiterated to me countless times, our children need low

> carbs to keep inflammation down. I refer to his diet recommendations as an

> anti-inflammatory diet.

>

> Kristy Nardini

> TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles

> <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com

> kristy@... <mailto:kristy%40tazzini.com>

> Phone: 858.243.1929

> Fax: 858.724.1418

>

> <http://www.twitter.com/tazzini> Tweet with Us

> <http://www.facebook.com/tazzinicompany> Follow on Facebook

>

> From: <mailto:%40>

[mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of

> Pedersen

> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:35 PM

> <mailto:%40>

> Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

> Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

>

>

> If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the

> virus, then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the

> sugar/carb consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to

> the sugared varieties?

>

> Just curious

>

>

>

>

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Right.  But hey, it's nasty anyway! :)  Especially the unrefined - have you

eaten that?  Ug - you taste it for days.   (Sour grapes...)

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From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@...>

Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 11:33:07 PM

Subject: RE: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

 

But he says no to coconut, right?

Kristy Nardini

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<http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com

kristy@...

Phone: 858.243.1929

Fax: 858.724.1418

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:22 PM

Subject: Re: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

Dr G used to actually say " Use a modified Zone diet - the maintenance diet. " So

he is very much in agreement. He would prefer that our kids get no sugar and

very very limited carbs, only one serving (like half an apple) of fruit in a

day. He's only ok w/ a piece of bread for the sole purpose of getting protein

into the kids. I think it's probably pretty hard to get all parents to restrict

their kids diets any more severely since so many have such food aversions and

self restrict their foods anyway, not to mention growing little 3 year olds are

harder to keep on as high a protein diet as an adult can tolerate. But the Zone

is his most approved diet - the only " name " I've ever seen him reference.

________________________________

From: rick carbert <rickthelearner@... <mailto:rickthelearner%40gmail.com>

>

<mailto:%40>

Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 5:46:37 AM

Subject: Re: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

Hi Kristy:

Thanks for the feedback. Naturally I agree with you since I started this

thread. :-) It was basically a zero glucose diet that saved me after 25

years 3 months. I was better within a few months.

One group of Polynesian's had 63% of their energy intake from coconut

fat. The study was done in the sixties before they were corrupted with the

modern high glucose diet. My diet is about 75% coconut fat, so I don't

consider it that much different than the Polynesian diet.

I would suggest people read a few of The Zone books by Dr Barry Sears if

they wish additional resources regarding glucose and inflammation. For

example, " Enter the Zone " and " The Anti-Inflammation Zone " . In my opinion

they are highly relevant to diseases. He even specifically addresses

diseases in his books.

They are fantastic for a healthy person to stay healthy. However, for a

person, the diet still has too much glucose. I started reading them

back in the nineties, and believed they were the answer to my problem.

However, it took all this time for me to figure out how to use coconut fat

to replace glucose.

Obviously, there are a number of ways to overcome diseases. I

believe this is just one of them.

Thanks

Rick

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Kristy Nardini <knardini@...

<mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> >wrote:

>

>

> I got to see Dr. Christiane Northrup's daughter speak last night and she

> talked a great deal about inflammation throughout our bodies creating all

> kinds of disease and it's all caused by and prevented by a low glycemic

> (i.e. low " bad " carb) diet. She recommended reading " Healthy for Life " .

> Then

> I came home and had Dr. Oz on DVR and 3 of the 3 doctors he featured, all

> renowned experts, including Dr. Christiane Northrup, emphasized a low

> inflammation, i.e. low " bad carb " diet. So in response to your question,

> and

> from what Dr. G has reiterated to me countless times, our children need low

> carbs to keep inflammation down. I refer to his diet recommendations as an

> anti-inflammatory diet.

>

> Kristy Nardini

> TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles

> <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com

> kristy@... <mailto:kristy%40tazzini.com>

> Phone: 858.243.1929

> Fax: 858.724.1418

>

> <http://www.twitter.com/tazzini> Tweet with Us

> <http://www.facebook.com/tazzinicompany> Follow on Facebook

>

> From: <mailto:%40>

>[mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of

> Pedersen

> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:35 PM

> <mailto:%40>

> Subject: Re: New diet...Lorenzo warriors?

> Glucose....neuro-inflammatory

>

>

> If viruses don't need glucose to survive... i.e. sugar is not feeding the

> virus, then do you know why Dr. G makes a big deal about keeping the

> sugar/carb consumption low? Even preferring sugar free syrup and candies to

> the sugared varieties?

>

> Just curious

>

>

>

>

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