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She has used antivirals before. They do have it in pill form, but my problem

is not getting her to take it, it is keeping it down once she does take it.

She is keeping some of the Motrin/Vantin down for the most part. I have

tried to space them out during the day so her body is not taking all the meds

at once. But, the tamiflu is setting her off for some reason. It is a very

nasty tasting medicine. I tried calling the pharmacy and they left me on

hold for 15 minutes while I was on my cell phone. Needless to say, I was

upset. I put in a call to the ped and he said I have to get this medicine

down her somehow. I was told to put it 1 ml at a time with some grape juice

over about an hour. She took the first one and I am going to give her the

2nd one in a few minutes. At this rate, I am going to be doing this all

day/night for 10 days. Sigh : (

Oh well, we have all been through worse. Praying for all the sick pumpkins.

Belinda Rose,

Mom to Allyssa and Cassie, (8), igg immunodeficient, asthma, sinusitis, IVIG

for 6 years, heart condition

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I have tried to separate the Tamiflu and the Vantin by at least an hour.

They are both given twice a day. The Vantin in my opinion tastes just as bad

as the Tamiflu. She has been on Motrin around the clock every 6 hours. She

had a dose of Motrin at noon (caplet form) and kept that down just fine. She

had her Tamiflu this morning and threw it up. She had the Vantin about an

hour later and kept that down. Then when I gave her the Tamiflu this

afternoon, she threw it (and everything else) up. I then gave her the Vantin

an hour later and she did not keep that down. Now I am trying to keep the

Tamiflu down by giving it to her with the grape juice. So far she has taken

about half the dose and is doing it very slowly. I am going to try to get

another dose of Vantin down before she goes to bed. But, that is in about an

hour and she still has the rest of the Tamiflu.

Boy Oh Boy.

Belinda Rose

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How far apart is the Tamiflu being given from the Vantin? Vantin may not be

reacting well with the Tamiflu and that

might be making her vomit.

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Belinda Rose,

The Vantin pills are quite small and coated. Is there any way she could

swallow one? I have heard the liquid Vantin is worse than liquid Prednisone.

I didn't even know that was possible. YUCK!!

Sandi, 's Mom

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Belinda,

I can relate as CANNOT take liquid AUGMENTIN. The pediatrician insisted

she take this medicine and I could not keep it down her. I tried everything

from mixing it with applesauce to try sneaking it into her food. She would

vomit violently every time. My ped. was less than helpful, basically said to

give it the good old college try each time I would call. Finally I called my

mom who has raised 5 kids and swears there is nothing she can't get down a

child. I brought her over to my home and asked her to do her magic. Well after

two days she said to me, there is no way that child can take this medicine, I

think she is allergic. So with mother in tow, for morale support we went to the

peds. office. I am easily intimidated, but not my mother. The pediatrician

began by giving us the same old stuff, try it with apple juice, oatmeal, on and

on. My mother stopped him dead in his tracks and tells him, " Listen i have

raised 5 children, and I am telling you there is something wrong ! This child

cannot take this liquid augementin. The doctor replies " I will note in her

chart that she is allergic and changed her antibiotic " I sat in amazement. I

had battled over the phone for days with their office. The reason I am telling

you all of this is I truly believe that there are some medicines no matter what

you do to administer , the childs body simply will reject it.

Good Luck, as I have been there and I understand the frustration.

Hugs

Sharon

Re: Tamiflu

She has used antivirals before. They do have it in pill form, but my problem

is not getting her to take it, it is keeping it down once she does take it.

She is keeping some of the Motrin/Vantin down for the most part. I have

tried to space them out during the day so her body is not taking all the meds

at once. But, the tamiflu is setting her off for some reason. It is a very

nasty tasting medicine. I tried calling the pharmacy and they left me on

hold for 15 minutes while I was on my cell phone. Needless to say, I was

upset. I put in a call to the ped and he said I have to get this medicine

down her somehow. I was told to put it 1 ml at a time with some grape juice

over about an hour. She took the first one and I am going to give her the

2nd one in a few minutes. At this rate, I am going to be doing this all

day/night for 10 days. Sigh : (

Oh well, we have all been through worse. Praying for all the sick pumpkins.

Belinda Rose,

Mom to Allyssa and Cassie, (8), igg immunodeficient, asthma, sinusitis, IVIG

for 6 years, heart condition

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Our best bet for swallowing is ice cream. We take the pill and wrap it in

vanilla ice cream. Lucas is doing an excellent job. He has a tight throat (

double uvula) so I am amazed he can do it. He won't even try with water.

Vantin is disgusting.BARBIE

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Kels did get her flu shot in early November, shes been getting it

since the age of 3. I recently had her vaccinated for Meningitis as

well, its common here. Ty for the information on TAMIFLU, I will ask

my doctor next time if its available here.

Hugs and thanks !

Trish

> Trish,

>

> I asked the New Hepatologist at the transplant clinic what to do

re: the flu

> shot. I had mine early but someone mentioned in an earlier post

that they

> missed the call on the flu shot this year. He said the same

thing. To call

> within the first 48-72 hours and get started on the Tamiflu if I

did get it. He

> said that was all you could do since the vaccine this year had

already been

> given.

>

> Hope she continues to feel better.

>

>

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my understanding of Tamiflu is that it is only effective during the first 48

hrs when one is symptomatic, then effectiveness drops off sharply. It usually

takes 48 hours to realize that you do indeed have the flu, so i suspect if

there's a big outbreak of something serious that'll be used prophylactically

if one can get it.

michael

In a message dated 9/12/2005 2:31:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

davidhall@... writes:

Hi, Cort.

johnson <cortttt@y...> wrote:

> 'Watch the birdie' - Love that title. What a disaster looming on the

horizon. I guess the big question will be whether to get vaccinated or not?

***Yes, but only if you can get access to Tamiflu or whatever other drug

that " might " mitigate this influeza's impact will you have the luxury of this

dilemma. Planned for world reserves of Tamiflu have been reached and at best

can only cover 5%(not fifty percent) of the global population. And Dr Chan,

THE PERSON in charge of prevention and response plans for infectious pandemics

through WHO is quoted as saying she think's this global pandemic is likely

inevitable!

WHO expert aims to prepare world for bird flu - Bird Flu - MSNBC.com

Address:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9312931/

If this thing really gets going and turns out to be the BIG ONE how can one

not get vaccinated and just hope for the best?

***I think I would probably go for any recommended vaccine that I could

actually get my hands on, but I think people avoidance strategies and

strengthening our immune systems via GSH and other antioxidant saturation

measures as

Rich has mentioned are wise to plan for and prepare.

PS I also think it's healthy to assume the pre and immediately post Katrina

leadership vacuum is global in scope and continues to...ahem...Suck!

> davidhall2020 <davidhall@w...> wrote:Hi, All.

>

>

>

> Follows is a new article showing the Avian Flu, which has killed tens of

millions of birds in Asia in the past few years, is spreading in lethal

transmission to humans. If this flu does drift into spreading fast among

people,

grim reapers like Osama and Katrina will be reduced to shockingly trivial

childs play by comparison.

>

>

>

> PWCs seem may tend to have an inherent protection from death above other

mere mortals for this type of situation given an upregulated protein in our

immune systems that is particularly effective at combating influenza. Either

way, stocking up on things like RenewPro or ImmunePro may help protect us a

bit more as well as others we effectively warn.

>

>

>

> Indonesia probes possible human bird flu death - Bird Flu - MSNBC.com

> Address:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9302653/

>

>

>

>

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There are 2 strains of this flu - if the most virulent learns how

to pass from person to person.... it's gonna be more like:

coughing at breakfast dead by bedtime.

I think you could die before you even realize what it is if

your amongst the earliest cases.

Barb

Hi, All.

> >

> >

> >

> > Follows is a new article showing the Avian Flu, which has killed

tens of

> millions of birds in Asia in the past few years, is spreading in

lethal

> transmission to humans. If this flu does drift into spreading

fast among people,

> grim reapers like Osama and Katrina will be reduced to shockingly

trivial

> childs play by comparison.

> >

> >

> >

> > PWCs seem may tend to have an inherent protection from death

above other

> mere mortals for this type of situation given an upregulated

protein in our

> immune systems that is particularly effective at combating

influenza. Either

> way, stocking up on things like RenewPro or ImmunePro may help

protect us a

> bit more as well as others we effectively warn.

> >

> >

> >

> > Indonesia probes possible human bird flu death - Bird Flu -

MSNBC.com

> > Address:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9302653/

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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" Barb Peck " <egroups1bp@y...> wrote:

> There are 2 strains of this flu - if the most virulent learns how

> to pass from person to person.... it's gonna be more like:

> coughing at breakfast dead by bedtime.

***And one note deeper, the person dropping dead will likely have been carrying

and spreading this flu through normal day to day human contact for about a week

or two before that first symptom, the seemingly innocuous but nagging cough at

breakfast, rears its head.

Msa0002@a... wrote:

> >

> > my understanding of Tamiflu is that it is only effective during the

> first 48

> > hrs when one is symptomatic, then effectiveness drops off sharply.

> It usually

> > takes 48 hours to realize that you do indeed have the flu, so i

> suspect if

> > there's a big outbreak of something serious that'll be used

> prophylactically

> > if one can get it.

> >

> > michael

> > davidhall@w... writes:

> >

> > Hi, Cort.

> >

> >

> >

> > johnson <cortttt@y...> wrote:

> > > 'Watch the birdie' - Love that title. What a disaster looming

> on the

> > horizon. I guess the big question will be whether to get

> vaccinated or not?

> >

> >

> >

> > ***Yes, but only if you can get access to Tamiflu or whatever

> other drug

> > that " might " mitigate this influeza's impact will you have the

> luxury of this

> > dilemma. Planned for world reserves of Tamiflu have been reached

> and at best

> > can only cover 5%(not fifty percent) of the global population.

> And Dr Chan,

> > THE PERSON in charge of prevention and response plans for

> infectious pandemics

> > through WHO is quoted as saying she think's this global pandemic

> is likely

> > inevitable!

> >

> >

> >

> > WHO expert aims to prepare world for bird flu - Bird Flu -

> MSNBC.com

> > Address:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9312931/

> >

> >

> >

> > If this thing really gets going and turns out to be the BIG ONE

> how can one

> > not get vaccinated and just hope for the best?

> >

> >

> >

> > ***I think I would probably go for any recommended vaccine that I

> could

> > actually get my hands on, but I think people avoidance strategies

> and

> > strengthening our immune systems via GSH and other antioxidant

> saturation measures as

> > Rich has mentioned are wise to plan for and prepare.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > PS I also think it's healthy to assume the pre and immediately

> post Katrina

> > leadership vacuum is global in scope and continues

> to...ahem...Suck!

> >

> > > davidhall2020 <davidhall@w...> wrote:Hi, All.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Follows is a new article showing the Avian Flu, which has killed

> tens of

> > millions of birds in Asia in the past few years, is spreading in

> lethal

> > transmission to humans. If this flu does drift into spreading

> fast among people,

> > grim reapers like Osama and Katrina will be reduced to shockingly

> trivial

> > childs play by comparison.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > PWCs seem may tend to have an inherent protection from death

> above other

> > mere mortals for this type of situation given an upregulated

> protein in our

> > immune systems that is particularly effective at combating

> influenza. Either

> > way, stocking up on things like RenewPro or ImmunePro may help

> protect us a

> > bit more as well as others we effectively warn.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Indonesia probes possible human bird flu death - Bird Flu -

> MSNBC.com

> > > Address:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9302653/

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Lee wrote: It is something new which shortens the

course of the flu and which suppresses

some of the symptoms.

According to my

research, it’s not a new drug, nor is it a particularly effective

drug. According to my immunologist

friend, it’s a fourth rate drug that, were it not for fear of a pandemic,

wouldn’t even be a blip on the radar of “good” drugs.

It’s difficult for those completely

brainwashed by Big Pharma—not saying you are,

Lee, but many are—to accept that there are effective, inexpensive ways to

keep yourself healthy in the face of influenza, even a strain not heretofore

seen by humans.

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Your research is flawed. Were Tamiflu not a new drug, Roche could

not hold a patent on it--a patent that WHO has urged be broken.

If you could just get out of your ideology against bigness, you might

learn something. That is what ideology is: something that blinds

you, as Dubya and his GOP are discovering.

It is something new which shortens the course of the

flu and

> which suppresses

> some of the symptoms.

>

> According to my research, it's not a new drug, nor is it a

particularly

> effective drug. According to my immunologist friend, it's a fourth

rate

> drug that, were it not for fear of a pandemic, wouldn't even be a

blip

> on the radar of " good " drugs.

>

> It's difficult for those completely brainwashed by Big Pharma-not

saying

> you are, Lee, but many are-to accept that there are effective,

> inexpensive ways to keep yourself healthy in the face of influenza,

even

> a strain not heretofore seen by humans.

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Lee wrote: If you could just get out of your

ideology against bigness, you might learn something.

I have nothing against

bigness; I am against corporate greed that always has a negative impact on the

citizenry. By the way, did you know

that “Big Pharma” is not a pejorative term

but is the term used by Wall Street pundits and journalists to describe the

lead player in the medical industrial complex that operates in this country? I did not invent the term.

As to whether Tamiflu is a “new” drug, it is not.

A brief history of H5N1:

http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/2005/02/brief-history-of-h5n1.html

Tamiflu was invented in

1996 by Gilead Sciences:

http://www.inboxrobot.com/news/GileadSciences

From Roche’s site: http://www.rocheusa.com/about/history.html

In late 2000, the FDA approved Tamiflu®

for the treatment of influenza in children aged one year or older and for the

prevention of flu in adolescents and adults.

I guess it’s a matter of

definition whether Tamiflu is “new” or

not.

Despite Big Pharma’s

relentless marketing campaign to corner the market on the business of disease,

it’s not the only game in town.

Hopefully, we on this board are digging deep to find ways to protect

ourselves if (I say “when”) Big Pharma

fails miserably in that role. One

must also be cognizant of the fact that not everyone has medical insurance so,

for them, other strategies must necessarily be employed to stay healthy in the

face of a pernicious threat.

Have you learned anything new today,

Lee? J

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, You do not know with whom you are arguing. I certainly

understand your complaint against the corporations. I share your

suspicion of them. The Democrats have long said that there are many

people who are poor in this country because corporations have screwed

them but the legal system will not permit them to collect damages

from these accursed corporations. Whatever do you think was the

purpose of the GOP " tort reform " movement?

I think that I have seen Big Pharma used as a term by others.

Not everyone has medical insurance? Large numbers of Americans do

not. This is a crime and if it were not off-topic I could post many

articles about this, and I hope that history will lay the flu

pandemic will be laid at the feet of the GOP which stopped Clinton's

health care program. Health care and public health are both jokes in

America. There are too few medical schools and too few public health

schools, to the delight of the American Medical Association. Do you

belong to any anti-Bush egroups?

And if you talk with an immigration attorney--I have--about foreign

doctors coming into the USA, most will tell you that they have NEVER

had such a client. Why? Because the immigration laws make it almost

impossible for them to come to America--to the AMA's delight and

profit. It is not just the corporations that are evil, but also some

of the associations.

So it might be better to stop arguing and certainly no flaming. I

grow tired of it. Others are growing tired of it too. Go to other

groups to flame, if you want.

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Lee wrote: So it might be

better to stop arguing and certainly no flaming. I grow tired of it.

Others are growing tired of it too. Go to other groups to flame, if you want.

Who’s “flaming?”

What’s coming across in this group is the idea, fostered tirelessly by you and , that Official Medicine is the

ONLY entity that can help us survive a pandemic. We know, of course, that that’s not

true. Every individual can—and

should—study ways to protect themselves, which is what we’re

discussing.

Of course, if I agreed with

your POV, you wouldn’t be “tiring” of the conversation or

calling it “flaming,” would you?

In any event, if anyone can posit anything promising

from Official Medicine, I’m all for it. So far, however, nada. I’m certainly not opposed to safe

medicines, with no side effects, that do what they promise to do.

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Lee wrote: So it may not work,

but those who are concerned about this have no other

catholicon: there is no other magic bullet.

Well, I learned a new word today.

J

The point is, Lee, can anyone afford NOT to research other possible elixirs,

potions, folk medicine, etc., in the event Tamiflu

doesn’t do diddley to H5N1? Heck, I’d drink my own urine if I

thought it would help--and some people believe it does!

http://skepdic.com/urine.html

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I have not heard anyone extoll the virtues of drinking your own urine,

but someone seems to be extolling the value of just about anything

else, so you may have just named the next medical fad. Do you not

think that the chicken farmers in China tried all of the folk remedies

that they had available on their livestock? And China has a much

longer history of folk medicine than we do: it is ancient.

But while I doubt that folk medicine can do much to help birds or

humans, I am certainly willing to listen and to hope. I am very

unhappy that a damned corporation has the only thing that may aid us in

this crisis.

What is this website about?

So it may not work, but those who are concerned about this

> have no other

> catholicon: there is no other magic bullet.

>

> Well, I learned a new word today. :-)

>

> The point is, Lee, can anyone afford NOT to research other possible

> elixirs, potions, folk medicine, etc., in the event Tamiflu doesn't do

> diddley to H5N1? Heck, I'd drink my own urine if I thought it would

> help--and some people believe it does!

>

> http://skepdic.com/urine.html

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Lee,

I'd like to be cautious about reaching such a conclusion.

As Tamiflu is not a vaccine but a medicine to moderate a flu attack it does so only if initiated within maybe two days of the symptoms..

I'd therefore expect a child in Vietnam might not have received the needed medical attention to qualify as a Tamiflu patient. What I'm saying is that Tamiflu is worthless unless received in a timely fashion.

Ken

==========================

[Flu] Tamiflu

As you know, they discovered a few days ago the case of a Vietnamese girl who had a strain of Avian flu that was resistant to Tamiflu. So it may not work, but those who are concerned about this have no other catholicon: there is no other magic bullet. Of course, as said, there has only been one case of human-to-human avian flu. Still, the experts say that if the flu can infect pigs then it will soon infect humans, because we are too close to pigs. Food for thought.>> From the article: According to public health experts, it [Tamiflu] is a> *rare* medicine with *proven* effectiveness in *greatly* reducing the> severity of influenza symptoms and shortening the disease's duration.> > Before we all get our hopes up, I would like to see evidence of> Tamiflu's effectiveness against human-to-human H5N1.

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Don't waste your money on Tamiflu, all it does is shorten by one day

only, a bout of Flu. Isolating yourself from others is the only way

to keep healthy, as per my previous post.

I am not a " conspiracist theory " person, but I wonder whether

governments really ARE stockpiling Tamiflu at all; and if so, it may

be just a measure to pacify public concern.

> >

> > From the article: According to public health experts, it

[Tamiflu]

> is a

> > *rare* medicine with *proven* effectiveness in *greatly*

reducing the

> > severity of influenza symptoms and shortening the disease's

duration.

> >

> > Before we all get our hopes up, I would like to see evidence of

> > Tamiflu's effectiveness against human-to-human H5N1.

>

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It's not surprising that a case showed up Tamiflu resistant. In use

with ordinary flu, about 1-5% of cases show a spontanious mutation

that make them tamiflu resistant, but that mutation also makes them

less lethal and harder to transmit.

In this case, the girl was getting 1 pill per day propholactically

while she took care of her brother, who had H5N1. They both recovered.

Tamiflu is still useful. But it's not (and never has been) a magic

bullet.

> >

> > From the article: According to public health experts, it [Tamiflu]

> is a

> > *rare* medicine with *proven* effectiveness in *greatly*

reducing the

> > severity of influenza symptoms and shortening the disease's

duration.

> >

> > Before we all get our hopes up, I would like to see evidence of

> > Tamiflu's effectiveness against human-to-human H5N1.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Of of the extreme scenarios that's floating around right now is based

in the fact that Tamiflu doesn't get metabolized - it's excreted in

the urin basically unchanged. So if we get massive, widespread

infection, AND Tamiflu works on it, AND we run out, we may resort to

treating people with 2 pill of Tamiflu, then collecting their urin and

giving back to them with an NG tube.

-- In Flu , " Lee " <jackalope_lepus@H...> wrote:

>

> I have not heard anyone extoll the virtues of drinking your own urine,

> but someone seems to be extolling the value of just about anything

> else, so you may have just named the next medical fad. Do you not

> think that the chicken farmers in China tried all of the folk remedies

> that they had available on their livestock? And China has a much

> longer history of folk medicine than we do: it is ancient.

>

> But while I doubt that folk medicine can do much to help birds or

> humans, I am certainly willing to listen and to hope. I am very

> unhappy that a damned corporation has the only thing that may aid us in

> this crisis.

>

> What is this website about?

> So it may not work, but those who are concerned about this

> > have no other

> > catholicon: there is no other magic bullet.

> >

> > Well, I learned a new word today. :-)

> >

> > The point is, Lee, can anyone afford NOT to research other possible

> > elixirs, potions, folk medicine, etc., in the event Tamiflu doesn't do

> > diddley to H5N1? Heck, I'd drink my own urine if I thought it would

> > help--and some people believe it does!

> >

> > http://skepdic.com/urine.html

>

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can you get on tamiflu as a precaution?

+JMJ+

Peace Be With You,

><>Pattie

Piedmont Triad, NC

Mom to , age 11 & healthy; age 9, Shwachman-Diamond Syndrome; and

ph age 8, Shwachman-Diamond Syndrome.

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you might ask for amantadine which is an anti-flu drug that will knock

it out of his system pretty quickly. I gave it to my kids when they

developed flu a few years ago and they would have missed only one day of

school but I kept them a second day just for a day of rest.

Cassie

osdbmom wrote:

> My dh is very very sick right now with influenza. dr put him on

> tamiflu with strict instructions to stay AWAY from the asthmatic and

> immune messed up wife and kids. I guess I get to sleep on the couch.

> We see infectious disease dr in the morning. The office is next door

> to the pulmo, I was thinking to run in and ask her if the kids should

> get on the tamiflu as well......they all had their flu shots this yr.

> UGGH, this is all we need.Valarie

>

>

>

>

>

> This forum is open to parents and caregivers of children diagnosed

> with a Primary Immune Deficiency. Opinions or medical advice stated

> here are the sole responsibility of the poster and should not be taken

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It would be helpful for you all to get tamiflu...but it is expensive...

Quoting osdbmom <osdbmom@...>:

> My dh is very very sick right now with influenza. dr put him on

> tamiflu with strict instructions to stay AWAY from the asthmatic and

> immune messed up wife and kids. I guess I get to sleep on the couch.

> We see infectious disease dr in the morning. The office is next door

> to the pulmo, I was thinking to run in and ask her if the kids should

> get on the tamiflu as well......they all had their flu shots this yr.

> UGGH, this is all we need.Valarie

>

>

>

>

>

> This forum is open to parents and caregivers of children diagnosed with a

> Primary Immune Deficiency. Opinions or medical advice stated here are the

> sole responsibility of the poster and should not be taken as professional

> advice.

>

> To unsubscribe -unsubscribegroups (DOT)

> To search group archives go to: /messages

>

>

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Cassie....

I can't remember which drug is for which influenza...but I think Tamiflu is

specific for b and amantadine is for a.....that would be Influenza A vs

B....they are not interchangeable...Tamiflu is pretty expensive..about 75

dollars for an adult course...as a preventative...it is given for 5 or 7 days

I think....our whole family was placed on it last year when libby got the

flu.....

Quoting Cassie <nurse2008@...>:

> you might ask for amantadine which is an anti-flu drug that will knock

> it out of his system pretty quickly. I gave it to my kids when they

> developed flu a few years ago and they would have missed only one day of

> school but I kept them a second day just for a day of rest.

> Cassie

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> osdbmom wrote:

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> > My dh is very very sick right now with influenza. dr put him on

> > tamiflu with strict instructions to stay AWAY from the asthmatic and

> > immune messed up wife and kids. I guess I get to sleep on the couch.

> > We see infectious disease dr in the morning. The office is next door

> > to the pulmo, I was thinking to run in and ask her if the kids should

> > get on the tamiflu as well......they all had their flu shots this yr.

> > UGGH, this is all we need.Valarie

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