Guest guest Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Hi Susie, I usually take 60 drops at a time, in about 4 oz. of water, when I'm feeling achy. I wait to see if it kicks in, and if not, I take another 60 drops, and so on. I used to take less and wait longer. These days, I'm impatient and I take more and don't wait too long for results (1 hour, tops). Seems you can take ALOT of Burbur without any troubles. I'm not sure about Pinella, but I've taken 60 drops of that at a time, also. I know of a LLMD who has his patients take whole droperfuls of Burbur, throughout the day, until they stop herxing. The NutraMedix company customer service has confirmed that 100 drops of Burbur at a time is OK. I haven't taken that much in one glass yet, but another member of the group has, successfully. How often and how much of the NutraMedix detox extracts to take, depends on how you feel. You might want to experiment with doses and see how it goes. - Jane > > > > > > > > > From: its_just_talk <its_just_talk@> > > > Subject: Joint Stiffness and Pain after Rifing - DETOX > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 8:13 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Bb infection in virtually every joint of my body, and in my brain. DETOXING is the prime method I use to relieve joint stiffness and pain after coiling. This is a subject I have been dealing with on an almost daily basis since June of 2009. Treatment for symptoms only (i.e., pain relievers), is not ultimately effective, as it will not address the underlying cause. > > > > > > The cause for my joint issues is Bb infection and die-off. I cannot say catagorically, that all joint issues that lymies face are not caused by co-infections. But in my research of the scientific data that exists covering the morphology and life cycles of Bb and the co-infections, I cannot find data on joint issues as related to any of the co-infections, except for Mycoplasma fermentans, which like Bb, can manifest symptoms of a very wide range. > > > > > > Treating Bb with the coil machine is a very slow process, as most Lyme patients are aware, and may take years. But regularly treating the die-off of organsims, while treating the infection with rife, is absolutely ESSENTIAL. The die-off of Bb is toxic, and causes inflammation, which is the root cause of increased joint stiffness and pain after rifing treatments. The immune system is reacting to the die-off of the infection in the joints, so therefore, they hurt even more than usual. > > > > > > Bb lives in, and feeds on, the connective tissues in the body, and the joint tissues are one of its preferred delicacies. IMO, it's important to understand just what's going on in the body, where the Bb organism lives and breeds, as this will be helpful in developing a strategy to combat it. > > > > > > The following documents are two of the best I've come across in explaing the morphology of the Bb organism and its effects on the body, in a fashion that can be comprehended by the average lymie who does not hold a degree in biochemistry: > > > > > > http://www.natcaplyme.org/images/pdfs/NCLBacteria09.pdf > > > > > > (The above PDF, " The Borrelia Genus " has many footnotes and references to scientifc research, and those are important, as they are the evidence for all claims cited about the organism. > > > > > > http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm > > > > > > The above link to a Townsend Letter article, " Biochemistry of Lyme Disease: Borrelia burgdorferi Spirochete/Cyst " , explains how the Bb neurotoxin interferes with the neurotransmitter, acetylcholine, which inhibits nerve functioning, and can lead to a host of symtoms. > > > > > > http://www.townsendletter.com/July2010/sapi0710.html > > > > > > The above link to a Townsend Letter article, " In Vitro Effectiveness of Samento and Banderol Herbal Extracts on the Different Morphological Forms of Borrelia Burgdorferi " , describes cutting edge, in vitro research on Bb, by the University of New Haven. > > > > > > There are also a host of Lyme related PubMed articles, which are very difficult to comprehend, as they are full of scientific jargon, and geared towards peers. Below is a link to one such article, which reports research about how the Bb organism resides in, and dissolves (and feeds on) the " extracellular matrix " of mammals. It's not easy to comprehend, but it does explain how Bb consumes connective tissue, which makes up the " extracellular matrix " - the space between cells in the body and the brain. > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=PMC96674 > > > > > > - Jane > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I also use high doses of Burbur and Pinella, I buy it by the box. I muscle test my doses and if I am herxing really hard, I have been guided to take up to 120 drops of each in a glass of water. I was concerned when I first would muscle test for this amount, so I contacted Nutrmedix to ascertain if it was safe in that dose and they assured me that it was perfectly safe. It totally knocks out the herx if I take enough. I am never without either of these two herbs, they are the mainstay of my treatment. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: its_just_talk <its_just_talk@> > > > > Subject: Joint Stiffness and Pain after Rifing - DETOX > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 8:13 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Bb infection in virtually every joint of my body, and in my brain. DETOXING is the prime method I use to relieve joint stiffness and pain after coiling. This is a subject I have been dealing with on an almost daily basis since June of 2009. Treatment for symptoms only (i.e., pain relievers), is not ultimately effective, as it will not address the underlying cause. > > > > > > > > The cause for my joint issues is Bb infection and die-off. I cannot say catagorically, that all joint issues that lymies face are not caused by co-infections. But in my research of the scientific data that exists covering the morphology and life cycles of Bb and the co-infections, I cannot find data on joint issues as related to any of the co-infections, except for Mycoplasma fermentans, which like Bb, can manifest symptoms of a very wide range. > > > > > > > > Treating Bb with the coil machine is a very slow process, as most Lyme patients are aware, and may take years. But regularly treating the die-off of organsims, while treating the infection with rife, is absolutely ESSENTIAL. The die-off of Bb is toxic, and causes inflammation, which is the root cause of increased joint stiffness and pain after rifing treatments. The immune system is reacting to the die-off of the infection in the joints, so therefore, they hurt even more than usual. > > > > > > > > Bb lives in, and feeds on, the connective tissues in the body, and the joint tissues are one of its preferred delicacies. IMO, it's important to understand just what's going on in the body, where the Bb organism lives and breeds, as this will be helpful in developing a strategy to combat it. > > > > > > > > The following documents are two of the best I've come across in explaing the morphology of the Bb organism and its effects on the body, in a fashion that can be comprehended by the average lymie who does not hold a degree in biochemistry: > > > > > > > > http://www.natcaplyme.org/images/pdfs/NCLBacteria09.pdf > > > > > > > > (The above PDF, " The Borrelia Genus " has many footnotes and references to scientifc research, and those are important, as they are the evidence for all claims cited about the organism. > > > > > > > > http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm > > > > > > > > The above link to a Townsend Letter article, " Biochemistry of Lyme Disease: Borrelia burgdorferi Spirochete/Cyst " , explains how the Bb neurotoxin interferes with the neurotransmitter, acetylcholine, which inhibits nerve functioning, and can lead to a host of symtoms. > > > > > > > > http://www.townsendletter.com/July2010/sapi0710.html > > > > > > > > The above link to a Townsend Letter article, " In Vitro Effectiveness of Samento and Banderol Herbal Extracts on the Different Morphological Forms of Borrelia Burgdorferi " , describes cutting edge, in vitro research on Bb, by the University of New Haven. > > > > > > > > There are also a host of Lyme related PubMed articles, which are very difficult to comprehend, as they are full of scientific jargon, and geared towards peers. Below is a link to one such article, which reports research about how the Bb organism resides in, and dissolves (and feeds on) the " extracellular matrix " of mammals. It's not easy to comprehend, but it does explain how Bb consumes connective tissue, which makes up the " extracellular matrix " - the space between cells in the body and the brain. > > > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=PMC96674 > > > > > > > > - Jane > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Jane, Thank you for answering my question. Now I have a better idea & can experiment like you said. Susie > > > > > > > > > > > > From: its_just_talk <its_just_talk@> > > > > Subject: Joint Stiffness and Pain after Rifing - DETOX > > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 8:13 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Bb infection in virtually every joint of my body, and in my brain. DETOXING is the prime method I use to relieve joint stiffness and pain after coiling. This is a subject I have been dealing with on an almost daily basis since June of 2009. Treatment for symptoms only (i.e., pain relievers), is not ultimately effective, as it will not address the underlying cause. > > > > > > > > The cause for my joint issues is Bb infection and die-off. I cannot say catagorically, that all joint issues that lymies face are not caused by co-infections. But in my research of the scientific data that exists covering the morphology and life cycles of Bb and the co-infections, I cannot find data on joint issues as related to any of the co-infections, except for Mycoplasma fermentans, which like Bb, can manifest symptoms of a very wide range. > > > > > > > > Treating Bb with the coil machine is a very slow process, as most Lyme patients are aware, and may take years. But regularly treating the die-off of organsims, while treating the infection with rife, is absolutely ESSENTIAL. The die-off of Bb is toxic, and causes inflammation, which is the root cause of increased joint stiffness and pain after rifing treatments. The immune system is reacting to the die-off of the infection in the joints, so therefore, they hurt even more than usual. > > > > > > > > Bb lives in, and feeds on, the connective tissues in the body, and the joint tissues are one of its preferred delicacies. IMO, it's important to understand just what's going on in the body, where the Bb organism lives and breeds, as this will be helpful in developing a strategy to combat it. > > > > > > > > The following documents are two of the best I've come across in explaing the morphology of the Bb organism and its effects on the body, in a fashion that can be comprehended by the average lymie who does not hold a degree in biochemistry: > > > > > > > > http://www.natcaplyme.org/images/pdfs/NCLBacteria09.pdf > > > > > > > > (The above PDF, " The Borrelia Genus " has many footnotes and references to scientifc research, and those are important, as they are the evidence for all claims cited about the organism. > > > > > > > > http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm > > > > > > > > The above link to a Townsend Letter article, " Biochemistry of Lyme Disease: Borrelia burgdorferi Spirochete/Cyst " , explains how the Bb neurotoxin interferes with the neurotransmitter, acetylcholine, which inhibits nerve functioning, and can lead to a host of symtoms. > > > > > > > > http://www.townsendletter.com/July2010/sapi0710.html > > > > > > > > The above link to a Townsend Letter article, " In Vitro Effectiveness of Samento and Banderol Herbal Extracts on the Different Morphological Forms of Borrelia Burgdorferi " , describes cutting edge, in vitro research on Bb, by the University of New Haven. > > > > > > > > There are also a host of Lyme related PubMed articles, which are very difficult to comprehend, as they are full of scientific jargon, and geared towards peers. Below is a link to one such article, which reports research about how the Bb organism resides in, and dissolves (and feeds on) the " extracellular matrix " of mammals. It's not easy to comprehend, but it does explain how Bb consumes connective tissue, which makes up the " extracellular matrix " - the space between cells in the body and the brain. > > > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=PMC96674 > > > > > > > > - Jane > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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