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Hi Susie,

I usually take 60 drops at a time, in about 4 oz. of water, when I'm feeling

achy. I wait to see if it kicks in, and if not, I take another 60 drops, and so

on. I used to take less and wait longer. These days, I'm impatient and I take

more and don't wait too long for results (1 hour, tops).

Seems you can take ALOT of Burbur without any troubles. I'm not sure about

Pinella, but I've taken 60 drops of that at a time, also. I know of a LLMD who

has his patients take whole droperfuls of Burbur, throughout the day, until they

stop herxing. The NutraMedix company customer service has confirmed that 100

drops of Burbur at a time is OK. I haven't taken that much in one glass yet, but

another member of the group has, successfully.

How often and how much of the NutraMedix detox extracts to take, depends on how

you feel. You might want to experiment with doses and see how it goes.

- Jane

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> > >

> > > From: its_just_talk <its_just_talk@>

> > > Subject: Joint Stiffness and Pain after Rifing - DETOX

> > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 8:13 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I have Bb infection in virtually every joint of my body, and in my brain.

DETOXING is the prime method I use to relieve joint stiffness and pain after

coiling. This is a subject I have been dealing with on an almost daily basis

since June of 2009. Treatment for symptoms only (i.e., pain relievers), is not

ultimately effective, as it will not address the underlying cause.

> > >

> > > The cause for my joint issues is Bb infection and die-off. I cannot say

catagorically, that all joint issues that lymies face are not caused by

co-infections. But in my research of the scientific data that exists covering

the morphology and life cycles of Bb and the co-infections, I cannot find data

on joint issues as related to any of the co-infections, except for Mycoplasma

fermentans, which like Bb, can manifest symptoms of a very wide range.

> > >

> > > Treating Bb with the coil machine is a very slow process, as most Lyme

patients are aware, and may take years. But regularly treating the die-off of

organsims, while treating the infection with rife, is absolutely ESSENTIAL. The

die-off of Bb is toxic, and causes inflammation, which is the root cause of

increased joint stiffness and pain after rifing treatments. The immune system is

reacting to the die-off of the infection in the joints, so therefore, they hurt

even more than usual.

> > >

> > > Bb lives in, and feeds on, the connective tissues in the body, and the

joint tissues are one of its preferred delicacies. IMO, it's important to

understand just what's going on in the body, where the Bb organism lives and

breeds, as this will be helpful in developing a strategy to combat it.

> > >

> > > The following documents are two of the best I've come across in explaing

the morphology of the Bb organism and its effects on the body, in a fashion that

can be comprehended by the average lymie who does not hold a degree in

biochemistry:

> > >

> > > http://www.natcaplyme.org/images/pdfs/NCLBacteria09.pdf

> > >

> > > (The above PDF, " The Borrelia Genus " has many footnotes and references to

scientifc research, and those are important, as they are the evidence for all

claims cited about the organism.

> > >

> > > http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm

> > >

> > > The above link to a Townsend Letter article, " Biochemistry of Lyme

Disease: Borrelia burgdorferi Spirochete/Cyst " , explains how the Bb neurotoxin

interferes with the neurotransmitter, acetylcholine, which inhibits nerve

functioning, and can lead to a host of symtoms.

> > >

> > > http://www.townsendletter.com/July2010/sapi0710.html

> > >

> > > The above link to a Townsend Letter article, " In Vitro Effectiveness of

Samento and Banderol Herbal Extracts on the Different Morphological Forms of

Borrelia Burgdorferi " , describes cutting edge, in vitro research on Bb, by the

University of New Haven.

> > >

> > > There are also a host of Lyme related PubMed articles, which are very

difficult to comprehend, as they are full of scientific jargon, and geared

towards peers. Below is a link to one such article, which reports research about

how the Bb organism resides in, and dissolves (and feeds on) the " extracellular

matrix " of mammals. It's not easy to comprehend, but it does explain how Bb

consumes connective tissue, which makes up the " extracellular matrix " - the

space between cells in the body and the brain.

> > >

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=PMC96674

> > >

> > > - Jane

> > >

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I also use high doses of Burbur and Pinella, I buy it by the box. I muscle test

my doses and if I am herxing really hard, I have been guided to take up to 120

drops of each in a glass of water. I was concerned when I first would muscle

test for this amount, so I contacted Nutrmedix to ascertain if it was safe in

that dose and they assured me that it was perfectly safe. It totally knocks out

the herx if I take enough. I am never without either of these two herbs, they

are the mainstay of my treatment.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From: its_just_talk <its_just_talk@>

> > > > Subject: Joint Stiffness and Pain after Rifing - DETOX

> > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 8:13 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I have Bb infection in virtually every joint of my body, and in my

brain. DETOXING is the prime method I use to relieve joint stiffness and pain

after coiling. This is a subject I have been dealing with on an almost daily

basis since June of 2009. Treatment for symptoms only (i.e., pain relievers), is

not ultimately effective, as it will not address the underlying cause.

> > > >

> > > > The cause for my joint issues is Bb infection and die-off. I cannot say

catagorically, that all joint issues that lymies face are not caused by

co-infections. But in my research of the scientific data that exists covering

the morphology and life cycles of Bb and the co-infections, I cannot find data

on joint issues as related to any of the co-infections, except for Mycoplasma

fermentans, which like Bb, can manifest symptoms of a very wide range.

> > > >

> > > > Treating Bb with the coil machine is a very slow process, as most Lyme

patients are aware, and may take years. But regularly treating the die-off of

organsims, while treating the infection with rife, is absolutely ESSENTIAL. The

die-off of Bb is toxic, and causes inflammation, which is the root cause of

increased joint stiffness and pain after rifing treatments. The immune system is

reacting to the die-off of the infection in the joints, so therefore, they hurt

even more than usual.

> > > >

> > > > Bb lives in, and feeds on, the connective tissues in the body, and the

joint tissues are one of its preferred delicacies. IMO, it's important to

understand just what's going on in the body, where the Bb organism lives and

breeds, as this will be helpful in developing a strategy to combat it.

> > > >

> > > > The following documents are two of the best I've come across in explaing

the morphology of the Bb organism and its effects on the body, in a fashion that

can be comprehended by the average lymie who does not hold a degree in

biochemistry:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.natcaplyme.org/images/pdfs/NCLBacteria09.pdf

> > > >

> > > > (The above PDF, " The Borrelia Genus " has many footnotes and references

to scientifc research, and those are important, as they are the evidence for all

claims cited about the organism.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm

> > > >

> > > > The above link to a Townsend Letter article, " Biochemistry of Lyme

Disease: Borrelia burgdorferi Spirochete/Cyst " , explains how the Bb neurotoxin

interferes with the neurotransmitter, acetylcholine, which inhibits nerve

functioning, and can lead to a host of symtoms.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.townsendletter.com/July2010/sapi0710.html

> > > >

> > > > The above link to a Townsend Letter article, " In Vitro Effectiveness of

Samento and Banderol Herbal Extracts on the Different Morphological Forms of

Borrelia Burgdorferi " , describes cutting edge, in vitro research on Bb, by the

University of New Haven.

> > > >

> > > > There are also a host of Lyme related PubMed articles, which are very

difficult to comprehend, as they are full of scientific jargon, and geared

towards peers. Below is a link to one such article, which reports research about

how the Bb organism resides in, and dissolves (and feeds on) the " extracellular

matrix " of mammals. It's not easy to comprehend, but it does explain how Bb

consumes connective tissue, which makes up the " extracellular matrix " - the

space between cells in the body and the brain.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=PMC96674

> > > >

> > > > - Jane

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Jane,

Thank you for answering my question. Now I have a better idea & can experiment

like you said.

Susie

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From: its_just_talk <its_just_talk@>

> > > > Subject: Joint Stiffness and Pain after Rifing - DETOX

> > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > > > Date: Wednesday, June 27, 2012, 8:13 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I have Bb infection in virtually every joint of my body, and in my

brain. DETOXING is the prime method I use to relieve joint stiffness and pain

after coiling. This is a subject I have been dealing with on an almost daily

basis since June of 2009. Treatment for symptoms only (i.e., pain relievers), is

not ultimately effective, as it will not address the underlying cause.

> > > >

> > > > The cause for my joint issues is Bb infection and die-off. I cannot say

catagorically, that all joint issues that lymies face are not caused by

co-infections. But in my research of the scientific data that exists covering

the morphology and life cycles of Bb and the co-infections, I cannot find data

on joint issues as related to any of the co-infections, except for Mycoplasma

fermentans, which like Bb, can manifest symptoms of a very wide range.

> > > >

> > > > Treating Bb with the coil machine is a very slow process, as most Lyme

patients are aware, and may take years. But regularly treating the die-off of

organsims, while treating the infection with rife, is absolutely ESSENTIAL. The

die-off of Bb is toxic, and causes inflammation, which is the root cause of

increased joint stiffness and pain after rifing treatments. The immune system is

reacting to the die-off of the infection in the joints, so therefore, they hurt

even more than usual.

> > > >

> > > > Bb lives in, and feeds on, the connective tissues in the body, and the

joint tissues are one of its preferred delicacies. IMO, it's important to

understand just what's going on in the body, where the Bb organism lives and

breeds, as this will be helpful in developing a strategy to combat it.

> > > >

> > > > The following documents are two of the best I've come across in explaing

the morphology of the Bb organism and its effects on the body, in a fashion that

can be comprehended by the average lymie who does not hold a degree in

biochemistry:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.natcaplyme.org/images/pdfs/NCLBacteria09.pdf

> > > >

> > > > (The above PDF, " The Borrelia Genus " has many footnotes and references

to scientifc research, and those are important, as they are the evidence for all

claims cited about the organism.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm

> > > >

> > > > The above link to a Townsend Letter article, " Biochemistry of Lyme

Disease: Borrelia burgdorferi Spirochete/Cyst " , explains how the Bb neurotoxin

interferes with the neurotransmitter, acetylcholine, which inhibits nerve

functioning, and can lead to a host of symtoms.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.townsendletter.com/July2010/sapi0710.html

> > > >

> > > > The above link to a Townsend Letter article, " In Vitro Effectiveness of

Samento and Banderol Herbal Extracts on the Different Morphological Forms of

Borrelia Burgdorferi " , describes cutting edge, in vitro research on Bb, by the

University of New Haven.

> > > >

> > > > There are also a host of Lyme related PubMed articles, which are very

difficult to comprehend, as they are full of scientific jargon, and geared

towards peers. Below is a link to one such article, which reports research about

how the Bb organism resides in, and dissolves (and feeds on) the " extracellular

matrix " of mammals. It's not easy to comprehend, but it does explain how Bb

consumes connective tissue, which makes up the " extracellular matrix " - the

space between cells in the body and the brain.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=PMC96674

> > > >

> > > > - Jane

> > > >

> > >

> >

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