Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I had a TKR in March. My subsequent dental work went beyond routine and I pre-medicated. Was told not to have any dental work for 3 to 6 months ans then to pre-med even for a cleaning. My dentist deferred to my os for details. Jackie Jackie on Borntodrum.org Girights.net AMIE Oakland, CA 510-332-5998 Sent from my iPhone with one finger typing; so apologies if I sound abrupt ... On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:26 PM, blmfdgirl@... wrote: > > > After my THR four years ago, I was told that the ADA no longer > recommends pre-medication for routine dental work. Has anyone else > heard this? I have never premedicated for my metal hip. > > Re: Dental work > Joint Replacement > Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 2:22 PM > > it is an antibiotic the dentist perscribed it on my 1st visit to him > i had to take it 1 hour before having my tooth taken out. anytime > you have any dental work done you need to take the pre-meds. i wont > have my surgery until tuesday but my dentist didnt want to take any > chances that any infection would be there because of my tooth and > that was 2 weeks ago. > > > > > > I'm trying to remember what I need to do before having dental work > done. I remember reading the instructions that when I had dental > work done, I should inform the dentist in advance, and should take > some medication. Don't remember exact details. > > > > An acquaintance who had a TKR about 18 months ago went to her > dentist, who told her that she could provide no dental care, not > even a cleaning, unless my friend had taken the medication. > > > > Has anyone had the experience of taking the medication? Is it > available over-the-counter or by prescription? > > > > I'm two years post-surgery, doing fairly well, but can postpone > the dentist no longer. > > > > Peg N. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I have also read that this is true but I believe the recommendation is still for prophylactic antibiotics for two years following surgery since there is still significant healing taking place for a period of time internally. I believe cleaning is particularly dangerous as loose bacteria can float around the bloodstream and cause internal bacterial infections. I believe people with certain heart conditions are also told to take antibiotics prior to dental cleaning to avoid a heart infection. On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:26 PM, blmfdgirl@... wrote: > > > After my THR four years ago, I was told that the ADA no longer > recommends pre-medication for routine dental work. Has anyone else > heard this? I have never premedicated for my metal hip. > > Re: Dental work > Joint Replacement > Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 2:22 PM > > it is an antibiotic the dentist perscribed it on my 1st visit to him > i had to take it 1 hour before having my tooth taken out. anytime > you have any dental work done you need to take the pre-meds. i wont > have my surgery until tuesday but my dentist didnt want to take any > chances that any infection would be there because of my tooth and > that was 2 weeks ago. > > > > > > I'm trying to remember what I need to do before having dental work > done. I remember reading the instructions that when I had dental > work done, I should inform the dentist in advance, and should take > some medication. Don't remember exact details. > > > > An acquaintance who had a TKR about 18 months ago went to her > dentist, who told her that she could provide no dental care, not > even a cleaning, unless my friend had taken the medication. > > > > Has anyone had the experience of taking the medication? Is it > available over-the-counter or by prescription? > > > > I'm two years post-surgery, doing fairly well, but can postpone > the dentist no longer. > > > > Peg N. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I had a heart attack 4 years ago and have 2 stents and had to take antibiotics for 2 years prior to any dental work. I was also told at my last appointment with my os (ltkr) that I needed to take them for 2 years before any dental work, or minor surgery. Jeff ________________________________ From: " jujulabee@... " <jujulabee@...> Joint Replacement Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:26:53 PM Subject: Re: Re: Dental work I have also read that this is true but I believe the recommendation is still for prophylactic antibiotics for two years following surgery since there is still significant healing taking place for a period of time internally. I believe cleaning is particularly dangerous as loose bacteria can float around the bloodstream and cause internal bacterial infections. I believe people with certain heart conditions are also told to take antibiotics prior to dental cleaning to avoid a heart infection. On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:26 PM, blmfdgirl@... wrote: > > > After my THR four years ago, I was told that the ADA no longer > recommends pre-medication for routine dental work. Has anyone else > heard this? I have never premedicated for my metal hip. > > Re: Dental work > Joint Replacement > Date: Sunday, June 21, 2009, 2:22 PM > > it is an antibiotic the dentist perscribed it on my 1st visit to him > i had to take it 1 hour before having my tooth taken out. anytime > you have any dental work done you need to take the pre-meds. i wont > have my surgery until tuesday but my dentist didnt want to take any > chances that any infection would be there because of my tooth and > that was 2 weeks ago. > > > > > > I'm trying to remember what I need to do before having dental work > done. I remember reading the instructions that when I had dental > work done, I should inform the dentist in advance, and should take > some medication. Don't remember exact details. > > > > An acquaintance who had a TKR about 18 months ago went to her > dentist, who told her that she could provide no dental care, not > even a cleaning, unless my friend had taken the medication. > > > > Has anyone had the experience of taking the medication? Is it > available over-the-counter or by prescription? > > > > I'm two years post-surgery, doing fairly well, but can postpone > the dentist no longer. > > > > Peg N. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Here's the position statement from the American Association of Orthopedic Surgeons in conjunction with the American Dental Association. Good question! http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/may09/cover2.asp Alisa Curry PT, DPT Site Moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Thanks Alisa! Very important information here. With your permission, I'd like to reference your post on Surfacehippy, as this topic has been in discussion of late. My surgeon is in the " antibiotics before dental procedures for life " camp. Take good care, all Ruth Z Amstutz bilat resurf C+ 4/6/06 > > Here's the position statement from the American Association of Orthopedic Surgeons in conjunction with the American Dental Association. Good question! > > http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/may09/cover2.asp > > Alisa Curry PT, DPT > Site Moderator > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Feel free to. You don't need my permission (but thanks for thinking you did <smile>)! The best links to clearing up questions like that are the national organizations for the entities in question: American Association of Orthopedic Surgeons: www.aaos.org American Dental Association: www.ada.org American Association of Hip and Knee Surgeons: www.aahks.org Always best to refer to the national org. for the latest and most respective info. Also remember that you must take information from manufacturers and drug companies with a grain of salt because they are trying to promote their products. Alisa Curry PT DPT Site Moderator > > > > Here's the position statement from the American Association of Orthopedic Surgeons in conjunction with the American Dental Association. Good question! > > > > http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/may09/cover2.asp > > > > Alisa Curry PT, DPT > > Site Moderator > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Hi, I haven't followed all the posts on antibiotics and dental work so forgive me if this was already mentioned. My surgeon. didn't limit antibiotics it to dental work but gave me a list of procedures for which I need antibiotics. Some I recall include obgyn biopsy, colonoscopy, etc. My surgeon also felt that I should take the antibiotics for life. I was told that the risk of taking too much antibiotics is small vs. the seriousness of an infection. He felt it was worth the risk. ________________________________ From: ruthz2006 <kenruthz@...> Joint Replacement Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:21:45 PM Subject: Re: Dental work Thanks Alisa! Very important information here. With your permission, I'd like to reference your post on Surfacehippy, as this topic has been in discussion of late. My surgeon is in the " antibiotics before dental procedures for life " camp. Take good care, all Ruth Z Amstutz bilat resurf C+ 4/6/06 > > Here's the position statement from the American Association of Orthopedic Surgeons in conjunction with the American Dental Association. Good question! > > http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/may09/cover2.asp > > Alisa Curry PT, DPT > Site Moderator > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Hi Peggy, When I have a dental appointment I never take LDN the night before (just incase). Hope that helps. Jayne Crocker www.LDNNow.com Important! Please sign our LDN petition to the European Parliament by clicking here tel: +44 (0) 7877 492 669 Dr Steele MBE, talking about LDN LDNNow, a patient and friend led organisation (so not a charity) with no funding and no affiliation to any company or organisation, but rather a group of concerned individuals focussed on improving the health of those who suffer from the many diseases and conditions that LDN treats. From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of T WaltersSent: 25 February 2010 20:43low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] dental work I have a dental appointment next Wednesday for a crown. Will I need to stop LDN prior to this appointment? Is there any possibility it might interfere with the dental anesthetic? Thanks. Peggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 What happens if you are suddenly taken into hospital and need serious pain relief as if you have a bad fall or are in an accident? Just a thought....!! ========================================Message Received: Feb 25 2010, 09:13 PMFrom: " Sokolin" low dose naltrexone Cc: Subject: [low dose naltrexone] dental work Local anestetics like Lidocaine or Novacaine will not interact with LDN. You may have a problem if you need to take strong painkillers after procedure. If they contain narcotic ingredient they will interact with LDN. = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 you can have a medical braclet that say that you use ldn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 this is what art have written in the forum of brenda I've been to the dentist and had shots of novacaine and never had a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 That's a good idea - hopefully the hospital would know what LDN is? Not many people seem to - hence the need to make people more aware.... ========================================Message Received: Feb 27 2010, 12:16 PMFrom: "zahavi" low dose naltrexone Cc: Subject: RE: [low dose naltrexone] dental work you can have a medical braclet that say that you use ldn. = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 they know naltrexone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 I meant to post to everyone but it just went to so I will repost. I might be wrong but I think what happens is that if you take your ldn at like 10 c'clock pm, the properties in it that render opiates null and void will have worn off by 6 a.m. the next morning so as long as your accident/injury didn't happen in the middle of the night after you went to sleep, the painkillers would work on you and would keep working unless you took an ldn dose the following night. If you did have something happen in the middle of the night, it seems they could give you anesthesia in a worse case scenario? > > > > > > What happens if you are suddenly taken into hospital and need serious pain relief as if you have a bad fall or are in an accident? Just a thought....!! > > ======================================== > Message Received: Feb 25 2010, 09:13 PM > From: " Sokolin " > low dose naltrexone > Cc: > Subject: [low dose naltrexone] dental work > > > Local anestetics like Lidocaine or Novacaine will not interact with LDN. You may have a problem if you need to take strong painkillers after procedure. If they contain narcotic ingredient they will interact with LDN. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 My son had dental work done. We have had to break the work down into 3 visits. Has anyone had problems with Valium or the " laughing " gas? If so, what other options did your dentist offer to you? Thanks. Larra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Valium doesn't do it for me either...I was in the er last summer for a panic attack and they broke down and gave me morphine because valium and ativan didn't work. > > Re valium - when I had RK surgery, I was given generic valium, and it didn't > work. I ended up taking the max of 8 pills over a 2 hour period and I never > felt it at all. (I can also drink shocking amounts of some types of alcohol and > never even feel intoxicated. I thought that was a neat party trick when I was > younger.) Also, the numbing eye drops didn't work either - I had to have > injections in the conjuctiva. The doctor had a hard time believing it. A > couple of months later he spoke to a colleague that had the same occurance, and > it had been determined that there are a few people that both the drops and > generic valium didn't work, whereas the name brand valium will. > It was wierd. I've found one other person (w/CFS) who had the same experience > with generic valium. > > It's pretty rare though - I wouldn't assume it would be the case for your son, > but if the generic didn't work, liquid and name will. > > HTH > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: LH <lrkhmomx3@...> > > Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 10:16:41 AM > Subject: Dental work > >  > My son had dental work done. We have had to break the work down into 3 visits. > Has anyone had problems with Valium or the " laughing " gas? If so, what other > options did your dentist offer to you? Thanks. > > Larra > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 The least harmful, supposedly to our kids is propofol. There are articles on autism and sedatives and what's best to use. Nothing is perfect. My son goes crazy on valium too...very, very agitated. http://www.child-autism-parent-cafe.com/autism-and-dental-anesthesia.html http://autism.com/fam_AnesthesiaandtheAutisticchild.asp best of luck, kathi Dental work My son had dental work done. We have had to break the work down into 3 visits. Has anyone had problems with Valium or the " laughing " gas? If so, what other options did your dentist offer to you? Thanks. Larra __________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Sounds like a pattern with us, doesn't it? It's a very rare problem, yet what .... 3 or 4 of us have had that experience in just this small group? Wierd, isn't it? Xanax - no other anti-anxiety med - is the only thing that can pull me out of severe anxiety, and even it doesn't really knock it out. If I'm lucky, it makes it tolerable.  I just won't take more than a mg at a time anyway, because if that's not enough then just too bad, so I don't know if higher doses would stop a panic attack. Fortunately those have been gone for years now, even with my last big crisis. My panic attacks happened most when I had dysautonomia and walked around w/blood pressure of 70/20. I've learned now that if I'm even the slightest dehydrated, I have much worse anxiety too. A 1/2 gallon of water will do more than a xanax. And nothing but antibiotics (well, now I think I can add amantadine to that list - not a med) really gets to the root of my anxiety - especially a doxycycline/antifungal combo (although now I'm on Keflex and it seems to be doing well this time too, except I really think it's more the amantadine). Truly, if it weren't for Dr , I would be disabled. Back in November I was in such crisis that I wouldn't have been able to continue working more than 2 more months. And I had a period of about a year and a half before I went to TX where I actually was disabled but didn't realize it. I literally couldn't boil water to cook noodles. Some days I couldn't even get it started for not being able to remember what I was doing. Then I'd remember " Oh - I was getting a pot out " . 20 min later I might get water in it. Then I'd forget to turn on the stove. Half an hour later I'd realize that. Then I'd start it, walk out of the kitchen, and an hour later wonder what the burning smell was, and it was an empty pot smoking on an overheated eye. Sometimes I'd set a timer and carry it, and not know why the timer was going off, so I'd have to write a note for it (if I could remember to). Or know why the timer went off but not be able to remember to make it to the kitchen.  I still won't leave the kitchen if I have the stove on. I keep a chair next to the stove and sit in it until whatever I'm cooking is done. I learned to never leave for any reason. If a local doc would give me doxycycline, I'd function for a few days till it was gone, and it would start all over.  Even after starting the protocol, when a couple of major stressors blew thru my world, I had some really bad periods - probably because I wasn't taking anxiety meds - where I'd regress badly and not even know it until someone else told me.  Now I'm dancing with my kids and chasing them (running!) through the house, laughing, playing, watched a movie, visited with friends I haven't been able to be with for years (and being invited back lol), etc, all in less than a couple of months of a new med. It's staggering. If I have a bad day, or I think I'm not doing well, or I embarrassed myself by rambling and talking or typing too much, I just look back to those days. Oh - there was a point here: I think all of this peaked - not exactly when I got strep - although that went untreated for months after I got labeled a carrier and really messed me up, but the worst of it started after I had a good bit of dental work - a cavity filled, a root canal, and something else. I couldn't remember to take my antibiotics, went un-medicated, and all hell broke loose (leaking heart valves, worse anemia, cognitive crash.)  Another thing ... did you know those shots the dentist use have something like epinepherine? No wonder I'd start panicking after the injections. I never knew, but that was the trigger for intense anxiety during dental procedures. I never understood, because I wasn't actually scared of anything. But my body would go so tense and rigid within a minute of the shot that my muscles would feel like I had run a marathon and worked out in a gym for hours. If you notify your dentist that you're sensitive to it, they can do lighter shots w/lower doses of epi, and it makes for enough improvement that I'd rather feel a little of the dental work than be fully numbed. (I'll lie - no, that didn't hurt when I jumped out of the chair.) ________________________________ From: RobinW <thelancienfamily@...> Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 2:35:56 AM Subject: Re: Dental work  Valium doesn't do it for me either...I was in the er last summer for a panic attack and they broke down and gave me morphine because valium and ativan didn't work. > > Re valium - when I had RK surgery, I was given generic valium, and it didn't > work. I ended up taking the max of 8 pills over a 2 hour period and I never > felt it at all. (I can also drink shocking amounts of some types of alcohol >and > > never even feel intoxicated. I thought that was a neat party trick when I was > younger.) Also, the numbing eye drops didn't work either - I had to have > injections in the conjuctiva. The doctor had a hard time believing it. A > couple of months later he spoke to a colleague that had the same occurance, and > > it had been determined that there are a few people that both the drops and > generic valium didn't work, whereas the name brand valium will. > It was wierd. I've found one other person (w/CFS) who had the same experience > > with generic valium. > > It's pretty rare though - I wouldn't assume it would be the case for your son, > but if the generic didn't work, liquid and name will. > > HTH > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: LH <lrkhmomx3@...> > > Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 10:16:41 AM > Subject: Dental work > >  > My son had dental work done. We have had to break the work down into 3 visits. > Has anyone had problems with Valium or the " laughing " gas? If so, what other > options did your dentist offer to you? Thanks. > > Larra > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Wow,never tried Xanaz, but any other anti-depressent I have ever tried has gotten me so jacked up after some time (at first they would seem to help) I felt like i was on crack (I'm guessing I've never been on crack) like ten cups of expresso and I'm grinding my teeth on something, and I could drink others under the table(aloohol) and tell them every embarrassing thing they did. No one wanted to hear that of course. Never had panic attacks, just generalized anxiety always, i can totally relate to post tramatic stress veterans and that is where I always want to give money, if I ever do. Many of them say they can't get to relaxation, although I think, many of them have been to that point and know what it's like. I don't think I've ever been there, so maybe I'm not as desperate as one vet i read about, who off'd himself from inhaling " dust off. " It gave him enough of a relief from the moment he actually died from it. Sorry, I know this is very negative and I hope no one ever tries it because i wrote about it, but I am desperate for my body to relax but certainly don't want to do that. I drink a lot of water but will try and drink more , thanks for that suggestion of being hydrated. I recently had a short course of Keflex and had brief moments of feeling relaxed and optimistic towards everything. The minute the course ended that was gone and our family dr. said I do not need anymore antibiotics. But those few momets have me hoping this is the answer and I'm working with Dr. G and hope he accepts me as a patient and gives me a longer dose of antibiotics that will work, whether Keflex or other. Isn't that better than drinking yourself to death or seeking out other forms of relaxion that are exremely harmful? I joke around with everyone, I would take herion if I knew someone that had it, but some days I am serious. Thanks for being so brave to share everything, . I know I have a lot of the same symptoms and I'm desperate for help for my kids and for me so I can continue to help them. bravo! Youve helped me and probably many others to be brave too. ---- Original Message ---- From: thecolemans4@... Subject: Re: Re: Dental work Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 21:46:21 -0800 (PST) >Sounds like a pattern with us, doesn't it? It's a very rare problem, >yet what >... 3 or 4 of us have had that experience in just this small group? >Wierd, >isn't it? > >Xanax - no other anti-anxiety med - is the only thing that can pull >me out of >severe anxiety, and even it doesn't really knock it out. If I'm >lucky, it makes >it tolerable. I just won't take more than a mg at a time anyway, >because if >that's not enough then just too bad, so I don't know if higher doses >would stop >a panic attack. Fortunately those have been gone for years now, even >with my >last big crisis. My panic attacks happened most when I had >dysautonomia and >walked around w/blood pressure of 70/20. I've learned now that if >I'm even the >slightest dehydrated, I have much worse anxiety too. A 1/2 gallon of >water will >do more than a xanax. > >And nothing but antibiotics (well, now I think I can add amantadine >to that list >- not a med) really gets to the root of my anxiety - especially >a >doxycycline/antifungal combo (although now I'm on Keflex and it seems >to be >doing well this time too, except I really think it's more the >amantadine). > >Truly, if it weren't for Dr , I would be disabled. Back in >November I >was in such crisis that I wouldn't have been able to continue working >more than >2 more months. And I had a period of about a year and a half before >I went to >TX where I actually was disabled but didn't realize it. I literally >couldn't >boil water to cook noodles. Some days I couldn't even get it started >for not >being able to remember what I was doing. Then I'd remember " Oh - I >was getting >a pot out " . 20 min later I might get water in it. Then I'd forget >to turn on >the stove. Half an hour later I'd realize that. Then I'd start it, >walk out of >the kitchen, and an hour later wonder what the burning smell was, and >it was an >empty pot smoking on an overheated eye. Sometimes I'd set a timer >and carry it, >and not know why the timer was going off, so I'd have to write a note >for it (if >I could remember to). Or know why the timer went off but not be able >to >remember to make it to the kitchen. I still won't leave the kitchen >if I have >the stove on. I keep a chair next to the stove and sit in it until >whatever I'm >cooking is done. I learned to never leave for any reason. If a >local doc would >give me doxycycline, I'd function for a few days till it was gone, >and it would >start all over. > > Even after starting the protocol, when a couple of major >stressors blew >thru my world, I had some really bad periods - probably because I >wasn't taking >anxiety meds - where I'd regress badly and not even know it until >someone else >told me. Now I'm dancing with my kids and chasing them (running!) >through the >house, laughing, playing, watched a movie, visited with friends I >haven't been >able to be with for years (and being invited back lol), etc, all in >less than a >couple of months of a new med. It's staggering. > > >If I have a bad day, or I think I'm not doing well, or I embarrassed >myself by >rambling and talking or typing too much, I just look back to those >days. > >Oh - there was a point here: I think all of this peaked - not >exactly when I >got strep - although that went untreated for months after I got >labeled a >carrier and really messed me up, but the worst of it started after I >had a good >bit of dental work - a cavity filled, a root canal, and something >else. I >couldn't remember to take my antibiotics, went un-medicated, and all >hell broke >loose (leaking heart valves, worse anemia, cognitive crash.) Another >thing ... >did you know those shots the dentist use have something like >epinepherine? No >wonder I'd start panicking after the injections. I never knew, but >that was the >trigger for intense anxiety during dental procedures. I never >understood, >because I wasn't actually scared of anything. But my body would go >so tense and >rigid within a minute of the shot that my muscles would feel like I >had run a >marathon and worked out in a gym for hours. If you notify your >dentist that >you're sensitive to it, they can do lighter shots w/lower doses of >epi, and it >makes for enough improvement that I'd rather feel a little of the >dental work >than be fully numbed. (I'll lie - no, that didn't hurt when I jumped >out of the >chair.) > > > > > > >________________________________ >From: RobinW <thelancienfamily@...> > >Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 2:35:56 AM >Subject: Re: Dental work > > >Valium doesn't do it for me either...I was in the er last summer for >a panic >attack and they broke down and gave me morphine because valium and >ativan didn't >work. > >--- In , <thecolemans4@...> >wrote: >> >> Re valium - when I had RK surgery, I was given generic valium, and >it didn't >> work. I ended up taking the max of 8 pills over a 2 hour period >and I never >> felt it at all. (I can also drink shocking amounts of some types >of alcohol >>and >> >> never even feel intoxicated. I thought that was a neat party trick >when I was >> younger.) Also, the numbing eye drops didn't work either - I had >to have >> injections in the conjuctiva. The doctor had a hard time >believing it. A >> couple of months later he spoke to a colleague that had the same >occurance, and >> >> it had been determined that there are a few people that both the >drops and >> generic valium didn't work, whereas the name brand valium will. >> It was wierd. I've found one other person (w/CFS) who had the >same experience >> >> with generic valium. >> >> It's pretty rare though - I wouldn't assume it would be the case >for your son, > >> but if the generic didn't work, liquid and name will. >> >> HTH >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: LH <lrkhmomx3@...> >> >> Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 10:16:41 AM >> Subject: Dental work >> >>  >> My son had dental work done. We have had to break the work down >into 3 visits. > >> Has anyone had problems with Valium or the " laughing " gas? If so, >what other >> options did your dentist offer to you? Thanks. >> >> Larra >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> Be a PS3 game guru. >> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > Games. >> http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Thank you all for responding. My dentist just could not believe that this was due to the Valium. Now I know my child will never take Valium again. The visit was horrible. It took a couple of days to get him back to his old self. Larra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 , Where is Dr. located? Is he taking new patients? You could be describing my husband.... I've been trying to help him for a long time along with my son who has autism. > > > > Re valium - when I had RK surgery, I was given generic valium, and it didn't > > work. I ended up taking the max of 8 pills over a 2 hour period and I never > > felt it at all. (I can also drink shocking amounts of some types of alcohol > >and > > > > never even feel intoxicated. I thought that was a neat party trick when I was > > younger.) Also, the numbing eye drops didn't work either - I had to have > > injections in the conjuctiva. The doctor had a hard time believing it. A > > couple of months later he spoke to a colleague that had the same occurance, and > > > > it had been determined that there are a few people that both the drops and > > generic valium didn't work, whereas the name brand valium will. > > It was wierd. I've found one other person (w/CFS) who had the same experience > > > > with generic valium. > > > > It's pretty rare though - I wouldn't assume it would be the case for your son, > > > but if the generic didn't work, liquid and name will. > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: LH <lrkhmomx3@> > > > > Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 10:16:41 AM > > Subject: Dental work > > > >  > > My son had dental work done. We have had to break the work down into 3 visits. > > > Has anyone had problems with Valium or the " laughing " gas? If so, what other > > options did your dentist offer to you? Thanks. > > > > Larra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Be a PS3 game guru. > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 One can not use propofol if allergic to eggs or soy. FWIW > > The least harmful, supposedly to our kids is propofol. > There are articles on autism and sedatives and what's best to use. Nothing > is perfect. My son goes crazy on valium too...very, very agitated. > > http://www.child-autism-parent-cafe.com/autism-and-dental-anesthesia.html > > http://autism.com/fam_AnesthesiaandtheAutisticchild.asp > > best of luck, > kathi > > Dental work > > > My son had dental work done. We have had to break the work down into 3 > visits. > Has anyone had problems with Valium or the " laughing " gas? If so, what other > > options did your dentist offer to you? Thanks. > > Larra > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Oh I haven't had success with an anti-depressant yet. Xanax is a benzo like valium. I did actually do well on Effexor for almost a year, then it destroyed my stomach. But xanax, I wouldn't recommend it very everyone, because it is addictive and I know too many people who it wears off on and they increase the doses. You're not supposed to take it more than a year. I'm the opposite though - I'm always taking less, and then I'll quit it - it sedates after it has eased the anxiety enough that you're not in a state of 'unnnn!' and I hate that. It's a need/hate relationship. SSRIs, though - do exactly as you describe - jack me up. Awful. They don't affect the kids that way though. I haven't had more than 10 drinks in the last 12 years, and if I do, I find it makes me feel worse. But if you do drink alcohol, Dr G says to only drink tequila. It's the only alcohol that won't feed yeast (and I find that very true).  I miss my merlot, but I'm allergic to it - triggers fibromyalgia, and so does whiskey and bourbon.  BTW - narcotics might get you moving, but if I take say cough syrup more than a couple of days, I find my thoughts get really negative. They won't relax you either - they'll jack you up. If you're like me (and you probably are if you can drink people under the table - one at a time in a row - I'm a legend at one wedding and they still talk about it 20 years later lol), at first it will seem like a miracle, and it can be hard to notice the negatives cropping up, but they're there.  They're really hard on anxiety. I do believe in using 12-step thinking - that eases my anxiety more than anything non-med I've been able to find, but the generalized anxiety 'hum' never goes away without treatment. And the only thing that works is the antibiotic - especially along with an antifungal. My brother has the same severe anxiety as I do, and I've directed him a couple of times (begged and nagged for years though) towards specifically requesting doxycycline, and after experiencing it a couple of times in combo with nizoral, he's finally a believer, and is going to be seeking help w/Dr too. There are very very few doctors that would treat anxiety this way. Docs that treat lyme will, but the antibiotic choices they typically use are baaad news for me. That's all I'll say 'bout alcohol on-list since this list is about our kids, and I've given off a loooot of personal info lol, but I bet a lot of our moms (and dads) experience some of this too. Dr G devoted a chat (back in the years we chatted every Tuesday) to sugar free mixed drink recipes - it was fun . You're welcome to contact me off-list too. ________________________________ From: Jerri & Nick Gann <njgann@...> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 12:21:53 AM Subject: Re: Re: Dental work  Wow,never tried Xanaz, but any other anti-depressent I have ever tried has gotten me so jacked up after some time (at first they would seem to help) I felt like i was on crack (I'm guessing I've never been on crack) like ten cups of expresso and I'm grinding my teeth on something, and I could drink others under the table(aloohol) and tell them every embarrassing thing they did. No one wanted to hear that of course. Never had panic attacks, just generalized anxiety always, i can totally relate to post tramatic stress veterans and that is where I always want to give money, if I ever do. Many of them say they can't get to relaxation, although I think, many of them have been to that point and know what it's like. I don't think I've ever been there, so maybe I'm not as desperate as one vet i read about, who off'd himself from inhaling " dust off. " It gave him enough of a relief from the moment he actually died from it. Sorry, I know this is very negative and I hope no one ever tries it because i wrote about it, but I am desperate for my body to relax but certainly don't want to do that. I drink a lot of water but will try and drink more , thanks for that suggestion of being hydrated. I recently had a short course of Keflex and had brief moments of feeling relaxed and optimistic towards everything. The minute the course ended that was gone and our family dr. said I do not need anymore antibiotics. But those few momets have me hoping this is the answer and I'm working with Dr. G and hope he accepts me as a patient and gives me a longer dose of antibiotics that will work, whether Keflex or other. Isn't that better than drinking yourself to death or seeking out other forms of relaxion that are exremely harmful? I joke around with everyone, I would take herion if I knew someone that had it, but some days I am serious. Thanks for being so brave to share everything, . I know I have a lot of the same symptoms and I'm desperate for help for my kids and for me so I can continue to help them. bravo! Youve helped me and probably many others to be brave too. ---- Original Message ---- From: thecolemans4@... Subject: Re: Re: Dental work Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 21:46:21 -0800 (PST) >Sounds like a pattern with us, doesn't it? It's a very rare problem, >yet what >... 3 or 4 of us have had that experience in just this small group? >Wierd, >isn't it? > >Xanax - no other anti-anxiety med - is the only thing that can pull >me out of >severe anxiety, and even it doesn't really knock it out. If I'm >lucky, it makes >it tolerable.  I just won't take more than a mg at a time anyway, >because if >that's not enough then just too bad, so I don't know if higher doses >would stop >a panic attack. Fortunately those have been gone for years now, even >with my >last big crisis. My panic attacks happened most when I had >dysautonomia and >walked around w/blood pressure of 70/20. I've learned now that if >I'm even the >slightest dehydrated, I have much worse anxiety too. A 1/2 gallon of >water will >do more than a xanax. > >And nothing but antibiotics (well, now I think I can add amantadine >to that list >- not a med) really gets to the root of my anxiety - especially >a >doxycycline/antifungal combo (although now I'm on Keflex and it seems >to be >doing well this time too, except I really think it's more the >amantadine). > >Truly, if it weren't for Dr , I would be disabled. Back in >November I >was in such crisis that I wouldn't have been able to continue working >more than >2 more months. And I had a period of about a year and a half before >I went to >TX where I actually was disabled but didn't realize it. I literally >couldn't >boil water to cook noodles. Some days I couldn't even get it started >for not >being able to remember what I was doing. Then I'd remember " Oh - I >was getting >a pot out " . 20 min later I might get water in it. Then I'd forget >to turn on >the stove. Half an hour later I'd realize that. Then I'd start it, >walk out of >the kitchen, and an hour later wonder what the burning smell was, and >it was an >empty pot smoking on an overheated eye. Sometimes I'd set a timer >and carry it, >and not know why the timer was going off, so I'd have to write a note >for it (if >I could remember to). Or know why the timer went off but not be able >to >remember to make it to the kitchen.  I still won't leave the kitchen >if I have >the stove on. I keep a chair next to the stove and sit in it until >whatever I'm >cooking is done. I learned to never leave for any reason. If a >local doc would >give me doxycycline, I'd function for a few days till it was gone, >and it would >start all over. > > Even after starting the protocol, when a couple of major >stressors blew >thru my world, I had some really bad periods - probably because I >wasn't taking >anxiety meds - where I'd regress badly and not even know it until >someone else >told me.  Now I'm dancing with my kids and chasing them (running!) >through the >house, laughing, playing, watched a movie, visited with friends I >haven't been >able to be with for years (and being invited back lol), etc, all in >less than a >couple of months of a new med. It's staggering. > > >If I have a bad day, or I think I'm not doing well, or I embarrassed >myself by >rambling and talking or typing too much, I just look back to those >days. > >Oh - there was a point here: I think all of this peaked - not >exactly when I >got strep - although that went untreated for months after I got >labeled a >carrier and really messed me up, but the worst of it started after I >had a good >bit of dental work - a cavity filled, a root canal, and something >else. I >couldn't remember to take my antibiotics, went un-medicated, and all >hell broke >loose (leaking heart valves, worse anemia, cognitive crash.)  Another >thing ... >did you know those shots the dentist use have something like >epinepherine? No >wonder I'd start panicking after the injections. I never knew, but >that was the >trigger for intense anxiety during dental procedures. I never >understood, >because I wasn't actually scared of anything. But my body would go >so tense and >rigid within a minute of the shot that my muscles would feel like I >had run a >marathon and worked out in a gym for hours. If you notify your >dentist that >you're sensitive to it, they can do lighter shots w/lower doses of >epi, and it >makes for enough improvement that I'd rather feel a little of the >dental work >than be fully numbed. (I'll lie - no, that didn't hurt when I jumped >out of the >chair.) > > > > > > >________________________________ >From: RobinW <thelancienfamily@...> > >Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 2:35:56 AM >Subject: Re: Dental work > > >Valium doesn't do it for me either...I was in the er last summer for >a panic >attack and they broke down and gave me morphine because valium and >ativan didn't >work. > >--- In , <thecolemans4@...> >wrote: >> >> Re valium - when I had RK surgery, I was given generic valium, and >it didn't >> work. I ended up taking the max of 8 pills over a 2 hour period >and I never >> felt it at all. (I can also drink shocking amounts of some types >of alcohol >>and >> >> never even feel intoxicated. I thought that was a neat party trick >when I was >> younger.) Also, the numbing eye drops didn't work either - I had >to have >> injections in the conjuctiva. The doctor had a hard time >believing it. A >> couple of months later he spoke to a colleague that had the same >occurance, and >> >> it had been determined that there are a few people that both the >drops and >> generic valium didn't work, whereas the name brand valium will. >> It was wierd. I've found one other person (w/CFS) who had the >same experience >> >> with generic valium. >> >> It's pretty rare though - I wouldn't assume it would be the case >for your son, > >> but if the generic didn't work, liquid and name will. >> >> HTH >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: LH <lrkhmomx3@...> >> >> Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 10:16:41 AM >> Subject: Dental work >> >>  >> My son had dental work done. We have had to break the work down >into 3 visits. > >> Has anyone had problems with Valium or the " laughing " gas? If so, >what other >> options did your dentist offer to you? Thanks. >> >> Larra >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> Be a PS3 game guru. >> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > Games. >> http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 He's in Port Aransas Tx, near Corpus Christi. He follows the protocol pretty closely, although there are some differences. He's easy to get in to see and will treat the entire family if needed. Just google Bruce MD Port Aransas Tx for his contact info. You can get a packet to pre-order labs too, which is really nice. HTH ________________________________ From: ckrupa <catherine.krupa@...> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 9:31:04 AM Subject: Re: Dental work  , Where is Dr. located? Is he taking new patients? You could be describing my husband.... I've been trying to help him for a long time along with my son who has autism. > > > > Re valium - when I had RK surgery, I was given generic valium, and it >didn't > > > work. I ended up taking the max of 8 pills over a 2 hour period and I >never > > > felt it at all. (I can also drink shocking amounts of some types of >alcohol > > >and > > > > never even feel intoxicated. I thought that was a neat party trick when I was > > > younger.) Also, the numbing eye drops didn't work either - I had to have > > injections in the conjuctiva. The doctor had a hard time believing >it. A > > > couple of months later he spoke to a colleague that had the same occurance, >and > > > > > it had been determined that there are a few people that both the drops and > > generic valium didn't work, whereas the name brand valium will. > > It was wierd. I've found one other person (w/CFS) who had the same >experience > > > > > with generic valium. > > > > It's pretty rare though - I wouldn't assume it would be the case for your >son, > > > > but if the generic didn't work, liquid and name will. > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: LH <lrkhmomx3@> > > > > Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 10:16:41 AM > > Subject: Dental work > > > >  > > My son had dental work done. We have had to break the work down into 3 >visits. > > > > Has anyone had problems with Valium or the " laughing " gas? If so, what other > > options did your dentist offer to you? Thanks. > > > > Larra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Be a PS3 game guru. > > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. > > http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 , How soon did you feel the relieve of anxiety after being on antibiotic and antifungal? Would the anxiety return if you stop taking antibiotic and antifungal? Thank you! Lucy ________________________________ From: <thecolemans4@...> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 8:44:48 AM Subject: Re: Re: Dental work Oh I haven't had success with an anti-depressant yet. Xanax is a benzo like valium. I did actually do well on Effexor for almost a year, then it destroyed my stomach. But xanax, I wouldn't recommend it very everyone, because it is addictive and I know too many people who it wears off on and they increase the doses. You're not supposed to take it more than a year. I'm the opposite though - I'm always taking less, and then I'll quit it - it sedates after it has eased the anxiety enough that you're not in a state of 'unnnn!' and I hate that. It's a need/hate relationship. SSRIs, though - do exactly as you describe - jack me up. Awful. They don't affect the kids that way though. I haven't had more than 10 drinks in the last 12 years, and if I do, I find it makes me feel worse. But if you do drink alcohol, Dr G says to only drink tequila. It's the only alcohol that won't feed yeast (and I find that very true). I miss my merlot, but I'm allergic to it - triggers fibromyalgia, and so does whiskey and bourbon. BTW - narcotics might get you moving, but if I take say cough syrup more than a couple of days, I find my thoughts get really negative. They won't relax you either - they'll jack you up. If you're like me (and you probably are if you can drink people under the table - one at a time in a row - I'm a legend at one wedding and they still talk about it 20 years later lol), at first it will seem like a miracle, and it can be hard to notice the negatives cropping up, but they're there. They're really hard on anxiety. I do believe in using 12-step thinking - that eases my anxiety more than anything non-med I've been able to find, but the generalized anxiety 'hum' never goes away without treatment. And the only thing that works is the antibiotic - especially along with an antifungal. My brother has the same severe anxiety as I do, and I've directed him a couple of times (begged and nagged for years though) towards specifically requesting doxycycline, and after experiencing it a couple of times in combo with nizoral, he's finally a believer, and is going to be seeking help w/Dr too. There are very very few doctors that would treat anxiety this way. Docs that treat lyme will, but the antibiotic choices they typically use are baaad news for me. That's all I'll say 'bout alcohol on-list since this list is about our kids, and I've given off a loooot of personal info lol, but I bet a lot of our moms (and dads) experience some of this too. Dr G devoted a chat (back in the years we chatted every Tuesday) to sugar free mixed drink recipes - it was fun . You're welcome to contact me off-list too. ________________________________ From: Jerri & Nick Gann <njgann@...> Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 12:21:53 AM Subject: Re: Re: Dental work Wow,never tried Xanaz, but any other anti-depressent I have ever tried has gotten me so jacked up after some time (at first they would seem to help) I felt like i was on crack (I'm guessing I've never been on crack) like ten cups of expresso and I'm grinding my teeth on something, and I could drink others under the table(aloohol) and tell them every embarrassing thing they did. No one wanted to hear that of course. Never had panic attacks, just generalized anxiety always, i can totally relate to post tramatic stress veterans and that is where I always want to give money, if I ever do. Many of them say they can't get to relaxation, although I think, many of them have been to that point and know what it's like. I don't think I've ever been there, so maybe I'm not as desperate as one vet i read about, who off'd himself from inhaling " dust off. " It gave him enough of a relief from the moment he actually died from it. Sorry, I know this is very negative and I hope no one ever tries it because i wrote about it, but I am desperate for my body to relax but certainly don't want to do that. I drink a lot of water but will try and drink more , thanks for that suggestion of being hydrated. I recently had a short course of Keflex and had brief moments of feeling relaxed and optimistic towards everything. The minute the course ended that was gone and our family dr. said I do not need anymore antibiotics. But those few momets have me hoping this is the answer and I'm working with Dr. G and hope he accepts me as a patient and gives me a longer dose of antibiotics that will work, whether Keflex or other. Isn't that better than drinking yourself to death or seeking out other forms of relaxion that are exremely harmful? I joke around with everyone, I would take herion if I knew someone that had it, but some days I am serious. Thanks for being so brave to share everything, . I know I have a lot of the same symptoms and I'm desperate for help for my kids and for me so I can continue to help them. bravo! Youve helped me and probably many others to be brave too. ---- Original Message ---- From: thecolemans4@... Subject: Re: Re: Dental work Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 21:46:21 -0800 (PST) >Sounds like a pattern with us, doesn't it? It's a very rare problem, >yet what >... 3 or 4 of us have had that experience in just this small group? >Wierd, >isn't it? > >Xanax - no other anti-anxiety med - is the only thing that can pull >me out of >severe anxiety, and even it doesn't really knock it out. If I'm >lucky, it makes >it tolerable. I just won't take more than a mg at a time anyway, >because if >that's not enough then just too bad, so I don't know if higher doses >would stop >a panic attack. Fortunately those have been gone for years now, even >with my >last big crisis. My panic attacks happened most when I had >dysautonomia and >walked around w/blood pressure of 70/20. I've learned now that if >I'm even the >slightest dehydrated, I have much worse anxiety too. A 1/2 gallon of >water will >do more than a xanax. > >And nothing but antibiotics (well, now I think I can add amantadine >to that list >- not a med) really gets to the root of my anxiety - especially >a >doxycycline/antifungal combo (although now I'm on Keflex and it seems >to be >doing well this time too, except I really think it's more the >amantadine). > >Truly, if it weren't for Dr , I would be disabled. Back in >November I >was in such crisis that I wouldn't have been able to continue working >more than >2 more months. And I had a period of about a year and a half before >I went to >TX where I actually was disabled but didn't realize it. I literally >couldn't >boil water to cook noodles. Some days I couldn't even get it started >for not >being able to remember what I was doing. Then I'd remember " Oh - I >was getting >a pot out " . 20 min later I might get water in it. Then I'd forget >to turn on >the stove. Half an hour later I'd realize that. Then I'd start it, >walk out of >the kitchen, and an hour later wonder what the burning smell was, and >it was an >empty pot smoking on an overheated eye. Sometimes I'd set a timer >and carry it, >and not know why the timer was going off, so I'd have to write a note >for it (if >I could remember to). Or know why the timer went off but not be able >to >remember to make it to the kitchen. I still won't leave the kitchen >if I have >the stove on. I keep a chair next to the stove and sit in it until >whatever I'm >cooking is done. I learned to never leave for any reason. If a >local doc would >give me doxycycline, I'd function for a few days till it was gone, >and it would >start all over. > > Even after starting the protocol, when a couple of major >stressors blew >thru my world, I had some really bad periods - probably because I >wasn't taking >anxiety meds - where I'd regress badly and not even know it until >someone else >told me. Now I'm dancing with my kids and chasing them (running!) >through the >house, laughing, playing, watched a movie, visited with friends I >haven't been >able to be with for years (and being invited back lol), etc, all in >less than a >couple of months of a new med. It's staggering. > > >If I have a bad day, or I think I'm not doing well, or I embarrassed >myself by >rambling and talking or typing too much, I just look back to those >days. > >Oh - there was a point here: I think all of this peaked - not >exactly when I >got strep - although that went untreated for months after I got >labeled a >carrier and really messed me up, but the worst of it started after I >had a good >bit of dental work - a cavity filled, a root canal, and something >else. I >couldn't remember to take my antibiotics, went un-medicated, and all >hell broke >loose (leaking heart valves, worse anemia, cognitive crash.) Another >thing ... >did you know those shots the dentist use have something like >epinepherine? No >wonder I'd start panicking after the injections. I never knew, but >that was the >trigger for intense anxiety during dental procedures. I never >understood, >because I wasn't actually scared of anything. But my body would go >so tense and >rigid within a minute of the shot that my muscles would feel like I >had run a >marathon and worked out in a gym for hours. If you notify your >dentist that >you're sensitive to it, they can do lighter shots w/lower doses of >epi, and it >makes for enough improvement that I'd rather feel a little of the >dental work >than be fully numbed. (I'll lie - no, that didn't hurt when I jumped >out of the >chair.) > > > > > > >________________________________ >From: RobinW <thelancienfamily@...> > >Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 2:35:56 AM >Subject: Re: Dental work > > >Valium doesn't do it for me either...I was in the er last summer for >a panic >attack and they broke down and gave me morphine because valium and >ativan didn't >work. > >--- In , <thecolemans4@...> >wrote: >> >> Re valium - when I had RK surgery, I was given generic valium, and >it didn't >> work. I ended up taking the max of 8 pills over a 2 hour period >and I never >> felt it at all. (I can also drink shocking amounts of some types >of alcohol >>and >> >> never even feel intoxicated. I thought that was a neat party trick >when I was >> younger.) Also, the numbing eye drops didn't work either - I had >to have >> injections in the conjuctiva. The doctor had a hard time >believing it. A >> couple of months later he spoke to a colleague that had the same >occurance, and >> >> it had been determined that there are a few people that both the >drops and >> generic valium didn't work, whereas the name brand valium will. >> It was wierd. I've found one other person (w/CFS) who had the >same experience >> >> with generic valium. >> >> It's pretty rare though - I wouldn't assume it would be the case >for your son, > >> but if the generic didn't work, liquid and name will. >> >> HTH >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: LH <lrkhmomx3@...> >> >> Sent: Thu, February 10, 2011 10:16:41 AM >> Subject: Dental work >> >>  >> My son had dental work done. We have had to break the work down >into 3 visits. > >> Has anyone had problems with Valium or the " laughing " gas? If so, >what other >> options did your dentist offer to you? Thanks. >> >> Larra >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> Be a PS3 game guru. >> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > Games. >> http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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