Re: Does protocol help with all the high metals?

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I did just valtrex and it pulled out metals as well,makes me think the

metals are bound to the viruses

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:39 AM, dlawb <dlawb@...> wrote:

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Cotter

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The ability of the body to eliminate it's metals will work very well in a

healthy body.  In a body with inflammation, immune dysfunction, immune

activation, and especially chronic infection, the body will purposefully

disable

this function in order to utilize that energy for addressing other problems. 

That's one of the primary causes for metals building up, and these metals ARE

disabled, and held in storage until the body is able to do it again later.

The treatment plan (it's not as much a protocol per se) is to target those

primary dysfunctions.  After about a year on these meds, the immune system

(when

all goes well) can go into it's healing phase and this function can pick up

again.

One thing chelation does is manually modulate the immune system.  The view

is not that this is a good thing since it is coming from an entirely different

paradigm than the metals groups.  But it may explain why some kids will do well

on chelation meds (when their immune system is shifted in the way that

'benefits' from it), then when they stop, there is an immediate loss of at least

some of those gains.  This isn't because the metals suddenly all went back ...

it's more likely that the immune system, and probably quite a few other

functions, were being impacted and it may have had absolutely nothing to do with

metals.  The problem is, Dr Goldberg has seen that many chelated children's

immune panels have been skewed to worse patterns than non-treated kids, and it

takes longer for their immune panel results to get better.    Also, chelation

is

removing more than just metals - it's leaching the body of other nutrients as

well.  We don't megadose vitamins - we just use a daily 100% RDA vitamins

(except when iron is needed of course), because low levels of certain vitamins

is more likely to be a result of the body purposefully blocking absorption of

certain things in it's attempt to fight off chronic infection, and we don't

believe it's a good thing to try to manually over ride that, but rather treat

the underlying issue, and those things return to normal.  I can take the

maximum

amount of iron for a year and my anemia can still get worse if my chronic strep

problems are not addressed (been there done that), but I can NOT take iron and

take antibiotics instead, and see a huge improvement in my iron in a very short

time.  It's really wierd.  Anyway, chelation actually increases many gut

infections - a huge problem when the primary goal is to cool off the immune

system.  It's like taking steroids while you have an infection and putting

yourself at risk that your immune system isn't going to be able to tackle it

while it's suppressed.  It's dangerous.

That was more info than you asked for but it's hard to show the differences in

the paradigms many people have been used to, and it can be so frightening to

parents when they find out we " don't address " something that has been believed

to be a big part of the causes of autism.  But this treatment plan is based on

25 years of research in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.  Everything being done in

autism has already been tried in CFS, and what the protocol utilizes is

what has been shown to be the most helpful, avoiding what has been shown to

eventually cause harm, and then modified for pediatrics.  DAN! has been at this

a lot less time, and they've already dropped a whole lot of their original

treatments and paradigms as they learn more, and have slowly but surely taken on

a little more of the meds here and there.

HTH

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From: dlawb <dlawb@...>

Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 9:39:25 PM

Subject: Does protocol help with all the high metals?

 

I was thinking about trying the protocol for my son but wondering will this

help his body rid of all the heavy metals?

Dylan's Mom

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May I know if you tested for metals after the valtrex?  My son is really high in

metals.

How long did u used valtrex and at what dosage?

 

Thaaks

3yrs old ASD ... will start cheltion soon

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> I was thinking about trying the protocol for my son but wondering will

> this help his body rid of all the heavy metals?

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> Dylan's Mom

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Cotter

4 Pollerton Manor

Carlow

059 9134964

087 2637921

[Guest guest]

HI,

we did a base line urine metal test a few times while on valtrex,we did 6

months,and each time it was pulling out metals including mercury,which hadnt

showed up on dmsa chelation challange,we just did valtrex for 6 months as we

hadnt seen any gains now i believe we just didnt do it long enough,i really

liked that we were getting rid on metals on a daily basis,we did 250 mg bd

along with diflucan,our son was 5 at the time

good luck \

mary

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Mom <lesliemom99@...> wrote:

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> May I know if you tested for metals after the valtrex? My son is really

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> How long did u used valtrex and at what dosage?

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[Guest guest]

If your child had a provoked urine test, then he may not have high metals at

all. In a provoked test the patient is given a chelating agent and then urine

is collected. The results are compared to urine from persons that did not get a

chelating agent. That is not apples to apples. If this testing method has not

been explained to you, then you should talk to your doctor about it. Better

yet, see Dr Goldberg. bruce

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Hi bruce

we have done initally provoked urine tests but when on valtrex we sent a

base line urine sample as in no dmsa just valtrex and high levels of metals

were coming out,baseline urine without valtrex didnt show any heavy metals

being excreted,our son has both heavy metal and viral issues,in his case

valtrex was helping remove metals

mary

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Clint <dr_bruce_40@...> wrote:

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> If your child had a provoked urine test, then he may not have high metals

> at all. In a provoked test the patient is given a chelating agent and then

> urine is collected. The results are compared to urine from persons that did

> not get a chelating agent. That is not apples to apples. If this testing

> method has not been explained to you, then you should talk to your doctor

> about it. Better yet, see Dr Goldberg. bruce

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[Guest guest]

I understand your assertion that comparing unprovoked metal levels to

provoked metal levels is not an apples to apples comparison. However, I

understand that the rational of doing a provocative test is to check levels of

metals that were pulled from body tissues versus levels shown without drug

provocation. If you don't have high levels of metals stored in body tissues

(which a healthy body would not), you're not going to show high levels on a

provoked or non-provoked sample.

I agree that the protocol can help the body reduce its load of toxic

metals because there is good research showing that a healthy body can

properly rid itself of toxic metals. This is probably true in many cases of

autism where a disregulated immune system is keeping the body from doing its

usual job of removing the toxins we're all exposed to on a daily basis.

However, I'm not convinced that alone can properly treat true metals

toxicity (when there is a clear, high exposure) due to the research that

indicates that simply healing the body in other ways does not rid the brain of

stored toxic metals.

My son and I were exposed to high levels of arsenic due to excessive

spraying on a golf course we once lived on. We both did chelation before ever

learning about the protocol. After completing chelation, he was much

healthier but his system was still out of whack due to his undetected viral

problem. Even though he doesn't like to treat patients who have undergone

chelation, Dr. Goldberg was kind enough to treat my son since his metals

treatment was due to a clear exposure. My son has been on the protocol

(now modified through a local doctor) for 8 years. While I haven't done

the protocol myself, I have been treated with antifungal medication and

follow most of the diet recommendations. Over the years since we completed

our chelation treatment, we've returned to the doctor for rechecks using

provocative urine tests (comparing urine samples with no drug taken to urine

samples after taking a chelating agent). None of our tests have shown

high levels of metals since completing chelation and using the approach.

Gaylen

In a message dated 3/3/2011 9:18:42 A.M. Central Standard Time,

dr_bruce_40@... writes:

If your child had a provoked urine test, then he may not have high metals

at all. In a provoked test the patient is given a chelating agent and then

urine is collected. The results are compared to urine from persons that did

not get a chelating agent. That is not apples to apples.

[Guest guest]

This is very interesting. Would you mind sharing which specific metals

showed up in testing with the Valtrex alone?

Gaylen

In a message dated 3/3/2011 9:35:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,

cotter.mary1@... writes:

we have done initally provoked urine tests but when on valtrex we sent a

base line urine sample as in no dmsa just valtrex and high levels of metals

were coming out,baseline urine without valtrex didnt show any heavy metals

being excreted,our son has both heavy metal and viral issues,in his case

valtrex was helping remove metals

[Guest guest]

Hi ,Does anyone know what Dr. Goldberg's waiting list is like?  What are

his fees?  I am sure it can't be more than what we have been paying for these

DAN doctors.  

Dylan's Mom

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> Dylan's Mom

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Cotter

4 Pollerton Manor

Carlow

059 9134964

087 2637921

[Guest guest]

Dr G charges $205 for the monthly phone consults. The money we wasted on

supplements evens out, plus our son has gone from 5 OT/speech appointments a

week to 1. Plus the fact that he is healthy is priceless

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On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:50 AM, May Kue <dlawb@...> wrote:

> Hi ,Does anyone know what Dr. Goldberg's waiting list is like? What are

his fees? I am sure it can't be more than what we have been paying for these

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