Milk

May 16, 2001

The ratio of calcium to magnesium is to great in cow's milk (8:1, I think).

All that calcium cannot be absorbed. The proper ratio (4:1, again I think

)is that found in mother's milk - the milk meant for human consumption.

Vito

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>Reply-bowel cleanse

>bowel cleanse

>Subject: Re: Digest Number 833

>Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:58:41 EDT

>

>,

>

>Just a thought, but I have recently become Vegan and have read a lot about

>calciuma nd protien and all that and from what i have learned is that there

>is way too much protien in cows milk to absorb the calcium in it, and that

>it

>actually will leach the calcium out of your bones to process the protien. I

>dont know just how true that is, but I suppose that if you combine that

>with

>eating meats as well, I think that it could definately cause a problem.

>

>Just a thought.

>Jo-Ann

>

>In a message dated 5/15/01 4:38:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>bowel cleanse writes:

>

><< That's interesting Donna. I am open to the idea.

>

> I used to drink a quart of organic milk a day for

> about a year (and got sick of it), and ate plain

> yogurt frequently with no change in the cramping. I

> never even thought of it being a calcium deficiency.

> Maybe I can't absorb calcium properly. Any ideas?

>

> >>

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May 16, 2001

Thanks for the correction Christel. I knew it was definitely a closer ratio

than the ratio found in cow's milk.

- Vito

>From: Christelti@...

>

>Vito, the proper ratio for calcium / magnesium is 1 to 2.

>Christel

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August 27, 2002

The milk that I have used and Thought it worked great

is the Organic Milk in the red carton with the cow on

it

cant remember the name...I boiled it in either a hard

microwavable dish on the stove and latter boiled it in

the microwave but there is concern over microwaveable

food.

you should get a thick skim on the top discard and

throw away and add some purifed ice cubes(distalled

water).

and it works just fine

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February 27, 2005

<<Our local grocery has OAT and ALMOND milks in the cardboard like containers,

in the health food isle, they are good! And better than soy which can have

hormonal stuff and be gassy. C in Vt>>>

I'm not sure what the original post was about........but I must share with the

group....that I am very allergic to COW's milk. I'm not lactose

intolerant........I'm actual allergic to a protein in the milk.

I drink Vanilla Rice milk..........love it. I eat Sheep Cheese......(much

better tasting to me than Goat Cheese). I eat Soy Ice-cream and use Soy

Butter.

.......and silk (a yogurt substitute)

I actually don't miss the milk at all.........and I can breathe, don't cough

anymore.........I use to think my chronic coughing was do to lyme and

abx.........but found out through blood testing it was the Cow protein.

I've tried Goats milk.........don't care for it

Connieknwnj

August 8, 2005

Karin,

In Dr. 's latest book, she recommends goat milk. I don't know if she

recommends boiling the goat milk. Our family uses raw milk that is

unpasteurized that we get straight from a farm. We add Colloidal Silver to

sanitize it. Pasteurized dairy products are not easily digestible.

Pasteurization kills the enzymes of the milk. I hope this helps in some

way.

Amy

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Karin

Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 7:32 PM

Dr

Subject: Milk

Hello,

I just finished Hulda 's book " The cure for all diseases " and find it

very interesting. I will try to start follow her advices step by step. We

are still pretty healthy and will use her advice preventively.

I have a question regarding milk. The book says to boil all milk, even the

pasteurized one. The one I get is pasteurized AND homogenized. Should this

one be boiled to?

Thanks for the input.

Karin

August 8, 2005

Yes, you must boil it also. Homogenization has nothing to do with the

killing of harmful bacteria in milk. It is simply a process to make the

fat globules " smaller in order to help prevent cream forming on the top of

the milk and to give it the consistency you are used to seeing. Some

consider it an unhealthy practice. I have no opinion on that matter, though

Ken

-- Milk

Hello,

I just finished Hulda 's book " The cure for all diseases " and find it

very interesting. I will try to start follow her advices step by step. We

are still pretty healthy and will use her advice preventively.

I have a question regarding milk. The book says to boil all milk, even the

pasteurized one. The one I get is pasteurized AND homogenized. Should this

one be boiled to?

Thanks for the input.

Karin

August 9, 2005

Todd Gurss wrote:

> In Dr. 's latest book, she recommends goat milk.

When did Dr. 's last book come out? I have the one from 1995.

Is there a new ISBN #?

> Our family uses raw milk that is

> unpasteurized that we get straight from a farm.

How lucky you are!

> We add Colloidal Silver to sanitize it.

You do not boil it?

> I hope this helps in some way.

Yes, thank you!

Karin

August 9, 2005

ken wrote:

> Yes, you must boil it also.

Thank you.

Karin

August 10, 2005

> ken wrote:

> > Yes, you must boil it also.

>

> Thank you.

> Karin

Boiling destroys the most useful components of milk. Boiling it to

sanitize it is overrated; out of 250,000 people who drink raw milk

every day there are only about 6 cases of salmonella annually.

If I had access to raw milk I would never boil it.

Duncan Crow

July 22, 2006

>

> Does anyone know why milk is such a no no on this diet?

==>Sue, please read my article! It's in the section under sugar, and

also discussed again under Implanting Good Bacteria.

Bee

July 22, 2006

Bee Wilder <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote: I cant seem to find the

article. I looked under sugar. any help?

thanks

sue-

=>Sue, please read my article! It's in the section under sugar, and

also discussed again under Implanting Good Bacteria.

Bee

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July 22, 2006

Sue wrote:

> Bee Wilder <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote: I cant seem to

find the article. I looked under sugar. any help?

==>It is the first sentence Sue:

1. Sugar

Candida's main food supply is sugar and all forms of it such as

*****lactose contained in dairy products (except butter),***** honey,

glucose, fructose, as well as sugar substitutes, i.e. NutraSweet,

aspartame, saccharin, etc. Eliminating sugar is the most important

part of the Candida Program.

And also under D. Plant good bacteria in the digestive tract:

Yogurt & Kefir would ordinarily be a good sources of probiotics,

however many candida sufferers cannot tolerant them, for a number of

reasons. It has been found that candida sufferers are also

intolerant of homemade yogurt and kefir, where most of the lactose

(sugar) content is removed by longer fermentation times. Please note

that the higher the butterfat content in dairy the lower the lactose

content (butter contains the least amount of lactose).

The problem for candida sufferers is caused by more than just lactose

content. It is because candida sufferers have inadequate digestion,

making it is difficult for them to break down nutrients in all foods,

but dairy products, other than butter, are particularly difficult to

digest. This is mainly caused by pasteurization and homogenization

which damages dairy products. It is more evident in dairy products,

other than butter, including homemade kefir and yogurt.

Pasteurization destroys all valuable enzymes, including lactase for

the assimilation of lactose; galactase for the assimilation of

galactose; phosphatase for the assimilation of calcium. Literally

dozens of other precious enzymes are destroyed in the pasteurization

process. Without them, dairy is very difficult to digest, which puts

undue stress on the human pancreas. In some people the pancreas is

not always able to produce these enzymes, and over-stress of the

pancreas can lead to diabetes and other diseases, in addition to

interfering with the digestion of other foods.

Sally Fallon of the Weston A. Price Foundation states

that: " Pasteurization destroys enzymes, diminishes vitamin content,

denatures fragile milk proteins, destroys vitamin B12 and vitamin B6,

kills beneficial bacteria, and promotes pathogens. "

Milk proteins like casein also make dairy very difficult to digest.

While most candida sufferers can have butter without any problems,

others can only tolerate ghee (clarified butter) which removes these

proteins. For more information on butter see the Section on Fats and

Oils above. Also see articles in the Butter, Butter Oil & Ghee

Folder. See the Recipe Folder for making clarified butter, or ghee.

Commercially made yogurt and kefir is high in lactose content because

they are made from low fat milk products, and from pasteurized and/or

homogenized milk. Even though some of the problems associated with

processed dairy may be eliminated by using raw dairy it still doesn't

seem to help candida sufferers. Even when yogurt and kefir are

homemade from raw dairy and fermented long enough to lower the

lactose, it still causes problems for candida. That is because

fermentation changes lactose into another sugar called galactose.

It has been found that candida sufferers who hang on to their dairy

products, other than butter, continue to have problems until they

eliminate them. Later on some candida sufferers may be able to

tolerate small amounts of homemade yogurt and kefir, but they should

still proceed with caution until they have totally overcome their

candida.

==>Sue, I suggest you open an article and use your Edit Search/Find

function to search for information within that article. In this case

you use the word dairy.

Bee

September 10, 2007

Go ! Go Boys! While milk is only part of our puzzle I think it

was the map to the rest. It is nice to find fixes with our kids.

Zeissler wrote:

>

> I agree!!!

>

> I am very thankful that the no milk discussion came up last April.

> Since we

> have gone milk free in our house, my 3rd child has now had solid, well

> formed, " normal " colored Bm's!! (before was chronic diarrhea. The baby is

> now trying to walk at 12 mo. his older brothers didn't walk until 15-19

> months. I even heard the " G " sound from the baby yesterday when

> Grandma was

> over..

>

> I finally got into a GI specialist for #3, and was explaining everything

> that we have done, etc. She looked at me and said " This is very clearly a

> milk intolerance " She wrote out a dr note right then for the

> school/preschool groups about milk. WOW.. #2 will see her in a few weeks

> for the same thing. .. Then the baby. YEAH!!

>

> I feel like we are finally making progress and finally have buy in from

> family about the eclectic diet we are on.

>

> Also.. I was filing papers today. I started to read #3's private Speech

> re-eval which was done end of July. He went from the 6th percentile for

> Receptive language to the 63rd and 13th to 37th in expressive language.

> This kid is not on supplements like big brother and only goes to private

> speech 2x week. I am so thrilled. We start EI at the school this week.

> Hopefully, we won't be there that long.

>

> SO long story. MILK IS EVIL.. GIVE UP MILK AND MILK PRODUCTS

>

> _____

>

> From:

> <mailto: %40>

> [mailto:

> <mailto: %40>] On Behalf Of

> mandyknapp2000

> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:12 PM

>

> <mailto: %40>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Update on Gavin and family

>

> >

> > Milk/casien: MY NEMISIS!

>

> I can't decide if it's the elimination of milk, the high doses of

> vitamin E, or the fish oil that is helping Gavin the most. I'm sure

> it's a combo of the three, but at the same time, the huge

> improvements since the elimination of milk have been amazing!

>

> I know I mentioned that I am allergic to eggs. When I have something

> that has eggs in it or has been cross-contaminated (using a cast iron

> skillet that had been used to prepare eggs) my ears start itching way

> deep inside. Then my throat starts to close, etc. I was having a

> Vetne Frap. every couple of days and after I would drink it, my ears

> would itch, but nothing else happened. I didn't think too much about

> it since it never got any worse. When I eliminated milk and tried to

> reintroduce into my diet, I got so sick. My stomach was messed up for

> days. We are definitely caesen free in this house. I would have NEVER

> even heard about it if it weren't for this group!

>

> Mandy

>

September 10, 2007

Does that include Eggs as well?

[ ] Re: Update on Gavin and family

>

> Milk/casien: MY NEMISIS!

I can't decide if it's the elimination of milk, the high doses of

vitamin E, or the fish oil that is helping Gavin the most. I'm sure

it's a combo of the three, but at the same time, the huge

improvements since the elimination of milk have been amazing!

I know I mentioned that I am allergic to eggs. When I have something

that has eggs in it or has been cross-contaminated (using a cast iron

skillet that had been used to prepare eggs) my ears start itching way

deep inside. Then my throat starts to close, etc. I was having a

Vetne Frap. every couple of days and after I would drink it, my ears

would itch, but nothing else happened. I didn't think too much about

it since it never got any worse. When I eliminated milk and tried to

reintroduce into my diet, I got so sick. My stomach was messed up for

days. We are definitely caesen free in this house. I would have NEVER

even heard about it if it weren't for this group!

Mandy

September 10, 2007

No

Eggs are from chickens and not a " dairy " product

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