Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 We all do great on scd goat yog and goat yog kefir as well as scd-legal hard goat cheese (or the soft cheese Anita described) and even goat butter BUT we all have problems with milk especially cow milk. I am lactose intolerant, Tim had big sinus probs and Eddie had terrile excema - both resolved after dropping dairy but fine with all of the above. In my 20s I became more lactose intolerant and found I couldn't vope with ice-cream (which I loved!) or milk - but was OK then with all cheeses and milk chocolate. It puzzled me at the time. Best wsihes, Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 where do you get scd goat yogurt? what does the scd stand for ? On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Sandy and Tim wrote: > We all do great on scd goat yog and goat yog kefir as well as scd- > legal hard goat cheese (or the soft cheese Anita described) and > even goat butter BUT we all have problems with milk especially cow > milk. I am lactose intolerant, Tim had big sinus probs and Eddie > had terrile excema - both resolved after dropping dairy but fine > with all of the above. > > In my 20s I became more lactose intolerant and found I couldn't > vope with ice-cream (which I loved!) or milk - but was OK then with > all cheeses and milk chocolate. It puzzled me at the time. > Best wsihes, > Sandy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Mine can't tolerate regular milk... but does really well on raw milk. Cheese is fermented (O think) so the fermentation starts (but does not finish) the digestion of the protein) so there should be less reactive parts to cheese than milk. Same with cream, the fat is displacing the ratio of protein. But if your kid can't tolerate milk- and you are not giving enzymes, then technically I would thinkt hat there are elements of what is bad for him in milk....in the cheese. You just aren't seeing it. Raw milk has the enzyme needed to digest it in the milk! ALl in the right proportion. I know it makes many people uncomfortable. SCD tells you to ferment the yogurt no less than 24 hours to absolutely digest the protein. Carolyn > > does anyones child not tolerate milk but can eat cream cheese? or cream? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and sour cream? > There is probably a lot more lactose in the milk than the others. Andy www.noamalgam.com www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Isn't it the caesin that makes the kid go crazy and not the lactose? She doesn't get any gas or anything. She just gets bipolar acting. On Apr 1, 2009, at 2:47 PM, andrewhallcutler wrote: > > > > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and > sour cream? > > > There is probably a lot more lactose in the milk than the others. > > Andy > > www.noamalgam.com > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Probably the fermentation process that's involved with cheese, cream cheese, etc. changes the protein structure that she can tolerate those OK. I wonder if she would do OK with raw milk - pasteurization changes protein molecules that it's probably no longer true casein compared to unpasteurized raw milk. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Neecy <thinkingheads@...> wrote: > Isn't it the caesin that makes the kid go crazy and not the lactose? > She doesn't get any gas or anything. She just gets bipolar acting. > On Apr 1, 2009, at 2:47 PM, andrewhallcutler wrote: > > > > > > > > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and > > sour cream? > > > > > There is probably a lot more lactose in the milk than the others. > > > > Andy > > > > www.noamalgam.com > > > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Research which items have casein and which have whey? That may be it. We gave to avoid all but I understand some can eat one and not the other. Tammy [ ] Milk why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and sour cream? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I think I will try it. Would I have to order it on line? On Apr 1, 2009, at 3:35 PM, McCartney wrote: > Probably the fermentation process that's involved with cheese, > cream cheese, > etc. changes the protein structure that she can tolerate those OK. > I wonder > if she would do OK with raw milk - pasteurization changes protein > molecules > that it's probably no longer true casein compared to unpasteurized > raw milk. > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Neecy <thinkingheads@...> > wrote: > > > Isn't it the caesin that makes the kid go crazy and not the lactose? > > She doesn't get any gas or anything. She just gets bipolar acting. > > On Apr 1, 2009, at 2:47 PM, andrewhallcutler wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and > > > sour cream? > > > > > > > There is probably a lot more lactose in the milk than the others. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I thought perhaps it was the sugar. Milk has sugar and the sour cream and cream show no grams of sugar on the label. Not sure though On Apr 1, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tammy Kuhn wrote: > Research which items have casein and which have whey? That may be > it. We gave to avoid all but I understand some can eat one and not > the other. > > Tammy > > [ ] Milk > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and > sour cream? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Would the goat milk at whole food be raw and unpasteurized? On Apr 1, 2009, at 3:35 PM, McCartney wrote: > Probably the fermentation process that's involved with cheese, > cream cheese, > etc. changes the protein structure that she can tolerate those OK. > I wonder > if she would do OK with raw milk - pasteurization changes protein > molecules > that it's probably no longer true casein compared to unpasteurized > raw milk. > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Neecy <thinkingheads@...> > wrote: > > > Isn't it the caesin that makes the kid go crazy and not the lactose? > > She doesn't get any gas or anything. She just gets bipolar acting. > > On Apr 1, 2009, at 2:47 PM, andrewhallcutler wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and > > > sour cream? > > > > > > > There is probably a lot more lactose in the milk than the others. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Go to this site and click on your state for sources of real milk . . . http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html > > > > > > > > > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and > > > > sour cream? > > > > > > > > > There is probably a lot more lactose in the milk than the others. > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com > > > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Raw milk sales is illegal in most states (not CA and a few other states), so I doubt you'll even find raw goat milk either. You can also locate a local Weston Price chapter. A lot of them do farm clubs where you buy a share into the herd, and you pay a " maintenance fee " to have them milk your own cow. You can also get grassfed beefs and free-range chickens and eggs. http://westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:07 PM, orelindel <whatmattersmost@...>wrote: > Go to this site and click on your state for sources of real milk . . . > > http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and > > > > > sour cream? > > > > > > > > > > > There is probably a lot more lactose in the milk than the others. > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com > > > > > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 It seems lots of people are afraid to drink raw-unpastuerized milk. Honestly, I havent' looked into it much since we have always stayed away from all milk. On Apr 1, 2009, at 8:39 PM, McCartney wrote: > Raw milk sales is illegal in most states (not CA and a few other > states), so > I doubt you'll even find raw goat milk either. > > You can also locate a local Weston Price chapter. A lot of them do > farm > clubs where you buy a share into the herd, and you pay a > " maintenance fee " > to have them milk your own cow. You can also get grassfed beefs and > free-range chickens and eggs. > > http://westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:07 PM, orelindel > <whatmattersmost@...>wrote: > > > Go to this site and click on your state for sources of real > milk . . . > > > > http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream > cheese and > > > > > > sour cream? > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is probably a lot more lactose in the milk than the > others. > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com > > > > > > > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 all kids are different. mine ended up doing fine with cheese (little to no lactose) and lactaid icecream, and yogurt. i read a book on how to test whether it is the milk protien (casein), lactose, or both. We followed it and that's what we ended up pulling. sometimes cheese will be an adversive but i just figure that is times that his lactose intolerance is high. > > > > > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and > > sour cream? > > > > > There is probably a lot more lactose in the milk than the others. > > > > Andy > > > > www.noamalgam.com > > > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 > > Isn't it the caesin that makes the kid go crazy and not the lactose? Depends on the child. My son went crazy from the milk FAT, until I added mito cocktail. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 what book was that? On Apr 2, 2009, at 7:38 AM, Phyllis Colace wrote: > all kids are different. mine ended up doing fine with cheese > (little to no lactose) and lactaid icecream, and yogurt. i read a > book on how to test whether it is the milk protien (casein), > lactose, or both. We followed it and that's what we ended up > pulling. sometimes cheese will be an adversive but i just figure > that is times that his lactose intolerance is high. > > > > > > > > > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and > > > sour cream? > > > > > > > There is probably a lot more lactose in the milk than the others. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 We get raw milk from the local amish community. also great raw honey, eggs, veggies in season, etc... it is sooooooo much more economical than the raw milk you can get online. Is it totally leagal? who knows but they only charge $2 per gallon. We are loving it. Tressie On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Neecy <thinkingheads@...> wrote: > what book was that? > > On Apr 2, 2009, at 7:38 AM, Phyllis Colace wrote: > >> all kids are different. mine ended up doing fine with cheese >> (little to no lactose) and lactaid icecream, and yogurt. i read a >> book on how to test whether it is the milk protien (casein), >> lactose, or both. We followed it and that's what we ended up >> pulling. sometimes cheese will be an adversive but i just figure >> that is times that his lactose intolerance is high. >> >> >> > > > >> > > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and >> > > sour cream? >> > > > >> > > There is probably a lot more lactose in the milk than the others. >> > > >> > > Andy >> > > >> > > www.noamalgam.com >> > > >> > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I think it was " the allergy freindly cook book. If you email me, i will look into it further. i need to reborrow some of these books anyway. Dana also replied that for her kids it was the milk fat. That is the final test. According to the book, they pass the lactose, casien and can tolerate any icecream even lactaid brand. If I remember correctly that meant milk fat. I think Im sorry I read it a while ago but icecream was the final test and I remember it saying that was the most complex of all the milk problems. > > > > > > > > > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and > > > > sour cream? > > > > > > > > > There is probably a lot more lactose in the milk than the others. > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com > > > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 If it was milk fat then the child wouldn't tolerate cheese either. It could be whey too - I believe cream cheese only contains trace amounts of whey unless it's added in. I'm not sure about sour cream though. Or the lactose is feeding candida, and that might be making her go crazy. On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Phyllis Colace <phyllisccook@...>wrote: > I think it was " the allergy freindly cook book. If you email me, i will > look into it further. i need to reborrow some of these books anyway. Dana > also replied that for her kids it was the milk fat. That is the final test. > According to the book, they pass the lactose, casien and can tolerate any > icecream even lactaid brand. If I remember correctly that meant milk fat. I > think Im sorry I read it a while ago but icecream was the final test and I > remember it saying that was the most complex of all the milk problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why would a kid go crazy with milk but not with cream cheese and > > > > > sour cream? > > > > > > > > > > > There is probably a lot more lactose in the milk than the others. > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com > > > > > > > > > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 Hello Gail, This diet is a high-fat, moderate-protein, low-carb diet. Protein from animal sources is important because it provides us with many important nutrients, in addition to any saturated fats. Yes, milk has too much sugar. Cheese also contains lactose and for this reason is not recommended for candida sufferers. These and other questions are answered in two important articles which you should read, so you understand candida, and know what you need to do and why: 1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php 2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php Hope that helps, andra group moderator > > Hi, > > On this diet it is important to eat lots of animal protein...because of the Saturated fats in them. Is Milk not on this program because of the amount of sugar in it? Also Cheese is understandable since it may contain mold. Can one go back to milk and cheese after healthy again? or are these food forever taboo's? > > thanks, Gail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 > > Hi, > > On this diet it is important to eat lots of animal protein...because of the Saturated fats in them. Is Milk not on this program because of the amount of sugar in it? Also Cheese is understandable since it may contain mold. Can one go back to milk and cheese after healthy again? or are these food forever taboo's? > +++Hi Gail, As and andra advised you need to read the articles, since your questions are covered in them. Yes, after a person is healthy they can have milk and cheese again but it is important to get the highest butterfat content as possible in them since butterfat helps digest proteins and lactose in dairy products. So that means low-fat, reduced fat, and no-fat dairy products are taboo for anyone. The rule about lactose in dairy is the higher the butterfat content the lower the lactose. All the best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Thats wonderful, Joni! How old is your daughter? -Jen From: Jandjatindy@... <Jandjatindy@...> Subject: Milk Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 7:31 AM  I checked with Dr. Goldberg when I talked to him last week before I posted this. When we found out Jordan should not have dairy, we told her the whole family was allergic to it period. None of us ever had it again. Why? Because I always treated her like I knew she would recover. I knew when she was away from us it was to confusing with soy, goat,rice milk. She needed to know no dairy. It is to confusing to tell them no dairy, then substitute it. She is now close to full recovery, and I have heard her times over the years say " No thank you, I'm allergic to milk " . Joni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Sorry for the delay in responding, I was not getting my post for a few days.For breakfast she eats bacon, celery and cauliflower She feels best eating a low carb diet. Lots of raw vegetables,lean meat. She is able to eat Lay's chips, nuggets, french fries,pizza no cheese extra pepperoni, all beef hot dog on a bun,turkey or ham sandwich...not everyday, and always with a lot of salad or veggies. The hardest thing for her to give up when we started, was gold fish!! As a side note, back when she was not talking so much around the age of 4, we started using a lot of sign language. The sign for " all done " , " more " , and " all gone " , were extremely helpful. The speech therapist told us it helped to take the pressure of everyone staring in her face waiting for her to try to say a word! She also loved magnetic letters. She could spell over 200 words when she was 3 years old. I would sit on the floor with my back cramping as long as I could engage her. It seemed to bring her great comfort. Please remember, this was back in the mid 90's when I was told she would never talk, and if she did, she would never be capable of asking a " w " question. My thought was always HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT TO ME!! I set out to prove them wrong. After all these years, I still feel that passion. I think that is why Dr. G. and I get along so well!! One more thing I was thinking about, my 13 year old non nids daughter has always had dry cereal for breakfast, and it seems normal to her. Joni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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