Re: Diflucan and Valtrex - HELP

[Guest guest]

Hi Taly,

I don't know specific doses of Diflucan or Valtrex, but at one point my son took

both and was fine. I understand your frustration with the DAN stuff. My son did

the whole DAN doctor stuff a few years ago and we didn't see any improvement at

all (like you said, it works for some kids, and doesn't work for others).

If you're planning to see Dr. G, you should make the appointment ASAP because

it'll be two or three months before they can fit you in (and you'll need to

start pulling together all of your info, which will take a LONG time). My son

has been seeing Dr. G for about 4 months and it's been going really well. He's

very strict about the protocol, but he addresses all of those symptoms that

you're talking about (and many of which my son also has) like the dark circles

under the eyes, teeth grinding, etc.

I'm almost certain that Dr. G will get rid of all of those supplements right

away (I don't think he believes in almost any of them), so if you're feeling

like the DAN stuff isn't working for your son, you don't have to continue it.

Trust your instincts -- you know your son better than anyone else. -- Holly

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Does anyone know if doses of Diflucan and Valtrex can be given together?

>

> I know the Valtrex is 250 mg 3 times a day but my DAN said for the

fluconaozle, the dose would be 4ml the first day, 2ml daily after that.

> Is this correct?

>

> My wife and I are very disappointed with our DAN experience. We are waiting

on my son's medical records to send back with questionaire so we can get an

appointment with Dr. Goldberg.

>

> Just got Dr. G's book and started reading it.

>

> My son is on a lot of different supplements: DMG, vit d, colostrum, zinc,

b-12, folinic acid, cod liver oil, vitamin C, magnesium and most recently we

switched to custom probiotics. When we switched to custom probiotics he did

well for the first three days but then went back to his normal behaviors. He is

hyper most of the time, lacks focus (attention) is constantly stimming (puts his

hands in front of his eyes) and does a LOT OF TEETH GRINDING.

>

> My son has been on Nystatin, Diflucan, Sporanox, Nystatin and now Nizoral. Up

until now none have taken care of his yeast overgrowth. Previous 2 Oats test

showed Arabinose and Parapsilosis to be very high. Did an Oats test this week

and won't get test results back for another 2 weeks to see if Nizoral has helped

his yeast (had to call Dr. to order test, buy kit).

>

> I can't stand the fact that my DAN! is not big on test and would rather take

the let's try this approach.

>

> I emailed him this morning that we are concerned with Sebastian's behaviors

being like a YO-Yo, a couple of good days spread into a lot of bad days. My son

does not appear healthy (black circles under eyes)I asked him to call in

Diflucan and Valtrex for my son. He called the prescriptions in and said in the

email hopefully we can get this figured out (very reassuring).We can't wait to

see Dr. G and have a Dr that believes in taking test and doing things

methodically. I hope no one takes this post as bashing the DAN! protocol (we

know it has helped lots of our kids) but we are disappointed.

>

> Sorry for the long post and a special thanks to all that have responded to my

previous post. If you sent an email to any of my previous post sorry about not

responding I do appreciate it but with working going to school and 3 boys it is

sometimes difficult to find the time.

>

> If anyone has the answer to my question as well as any tips to what may help

my son with some of his behaviors I would greatly appreciate it.

>

> Taly

>

[Guest guest]

For the diflucan, he's dosing it the normal way.  Dr G starts at half dose and

works up - this reduces die-off, and I believe it reduces any liver risks (which

are very minimal anyway but is the 'big' reason docs don't give diflucan

freely).

Anyway, I'll bet he's giving the 3mg per kg of body weight, and Dr G gives 5 mg

per kg of body weight.  He also gives it for up to a year without a break, then

cycles over to nizoral (doses are pretty standard there).  I imagine you'd have

a harder time convincing most docs to do that - they've got fear of antifungals

drilled into them.  But there is a study in neonates (like preemies) showing

the

5mg/kg dose to be safe and more effective in preventing infection and resistance

than the 3mg/kg dose.  If I can find that, I'll repost it, or maybe you could

google for it and take it to your doctor.  BTW - this dose of 5mg/kg caps out

at 200 mg - that dose isn't exceeded per day even if weight ratio would say

higher.

Whether you want to go ahead and start the course of meds at a lower than

optimal dose or not, I don't know.  If you're going to see Dr G, you can know

he'll do the higher doses.  I know plenty of people do fine after having lower

doses - my kids didn't seem to develop any resistance.  But maybe he'd consider

Nizoral instead (if your kid can take pills - and if not, they can learn at 2

yrs old)?  I could b e wrong but I don't think that wouldn't be underdosed. 

(And it can be an awesome antifungal for some kids.)  Nizoral can be used

long-term for up to 6 months before it should be switched (that's it's duration

for resistance).

HTH,

________________________________

From: wenruiz2 <taly@...>

Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 3:13:46 PM

Subject: Diflucan and Valtrex - HELP

 

Hi everyone,

Does anyone know if doses of Diflucan and Valtrex can be given together?

I know the Valtrex is 250 mg 3 times a day but my DAN said for the fluconaozle,

the dose would be 4ml the first day, 2ml daily after that.

Is this correct?

My wife and I are very disappointed with our DAN experience. We are waiting on

my son's medical records to send back with questionaire so we can get an

appointment with Dr. Goldberg.

Just got Dr. G's book and started reading it.

My son is on a lot of different supplements: DMG, vit d, colostrum, zinc, b-12,

folinic acid, cod liver oil, vitamin C, magnesium and most recently we switched

to custom probiotics. When we switched to custom probiotics he did well for the

first three days but then went back to his normal behaviors. He is hyper most of

the time, lacks focus (attention) is constantly stimming (puts his hands in

front of his eyes) and does a LOT OF TEETH GRINDING.

My son has been on Nystatin, Diflucan, Sporanox, Nystatin and now Nizoral. Up

until now none have taken care of his yeast overgrowth. Previous 2 Oats test

showed Arabinose and Parapsilosis to be very high. Did an Oats test this week

and won't get test results back for another 2 weeks to see if Nizoral has helped

his yeast (had to call Dr. to order test, buy kit).

I can't stand the fact that my DAN! is not big on test and would rather take the

let's try this approach.

I emailed him this morning that we are concerned with Sebastian's behaviors

being like a YO-Yo, a couple of good days spread into a lot of bad days. My son

does not appear healthy (black circles under eyes)I asked him to call in

Diflucan and Valtrex for my son. He called the prescriptions in and said in the

email hopefully we can get this figured out (very reassuring).We can't wait to

see Dr. G and have a Dr that believes in taking test and doing things

methodically. I hope no one takes this post as bashing the DAN! protocol (we

know it has helped lots of our kids) but we are disappointed.

Sorry for the long post and a special thanks to all that have responded to my

previous post. If you sent an email to any of my previous post sorry about not

responding I do appreciate it but with working going to school and 3 boys it is

sometimes difficult to find the time.

If anyone has the answer to my question as well as any tips to what may help my

son with some of his behaviors I would greatly appreciate it.

Taly

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply ,

I'm not that great at math so correct me if I get this wrong. I think our DAN

is using the 6mg per kg of body weight. My son weighs 30lbs approx, which is

13.6 kg, googled it

My son is on 2ml (40mg's per ml) daily. I guess we are doing the higher dose

because we can't seem to kill the Yeast. Have tried Nystatin, Diflucan,

Sporanox, Diflucan, Nystatin, Nizoral and now Diflucan (all in this order since

he was 27months and is now 36months old). We had given Valtrex previously the

first time we gave Diflucan and gave the Valtrex for only 30 days. Our DAN

mentioned doing biofilm because of the hard time we are having getting rid of

yeast but we are waiting for the lab results of his latest OATS test.

Can the antifungal and antiviral be given at the same time? I have read some

posts that Enhansa is great for yeast, is good for an antiviral and is also an

inflammatory. Do you know or have you tried it previously? Can it be given

along with Diflucan and Valtrex or would this be overkill?

Thanks again

Taly and

>

> For the diflucan, he's dosing it the normal way.  Dr G starts at half dose

and

> works up - this reduces die-off, and I believe it reduces any liver risks

(which

> are very minimal anyway but is the 'big' reason docs don't give diflucan

> freely).

>

> Anyway, I'll bet he's giving the 3mg per kg of body weight, and Dr G gives 5

mg

> per kg of body weight.  He also gives it for up to a year without a break,

then

> cycles over to nizoral (doses are pretty standard there).  I imagine you'd

have

> a harder time convincing most docs to do that - they've got fear of

antifungals

> drilled into them.  But there is a study in neonates (like preemies) showing

the

> 5mg/kg dose to be safe and more effective in preventing infection and

resistance

> than the 3mg/kg dose.  If I can find that, I'll repost it, or maybe you could

> google for it and take it to your doctor.  BTW - this dose of 5mg/kg caps

out

> at 200 mg - that dose isn't exceeded per day even if weight ratio would say

> higher.

>

> Whether you want to go ahead and start the course of meds at a lower than

> optimal dose or not, I don't know.  If you're going to see Dr G, you can know

> he'll do the higher doses.  I know plenty of people do fine after having

lower

> doses - my kids didn't seem to develop any resistance.  But maybe he'd

consider

> Nizoral instead (if your kid can take pills - and if not, they can learn at 2

> yrs old)?  I could b e wrong but I don't think that wouldn't be

underdosed. 

> (And it can be an awesome antifungal for some kids.)  Nizoral can be used

> long-term for up to 6 months before it should be switched (that's it's

duration

> for resistance).

>

> HTH,

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: wenruiz2 <taly@...>

>

> Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 3:13:46 PM

> Subject: Diflucan and Valtrex - HELP

>

>  

> Hi everyone,

>

> Does anyone know if doses of Diflucan and Valtrex can be given together?

>

> I know the Valtrex is 250 mg 3 times a day but my DAN said for the

fluconaozle,

> the dose would be 4ml the first day, 2ml daily after that.

> Is this correct?

>

> My wife and I are very disappointed with our DAN experience. We are waiting on

> my son's medical records to send back with questionaire so we can get an

> appointment with Dr. Goldberg.

>

> Just got Dr. G's book and started reading it.

>

> My son is on a lot of different supplements: DMG, vit d, colostrum, zinc,

b-12,

> folinic acid, cod liver oil, vitamin C, magnesium and most recently we

switched

> to custom probiotics. When we switched to custom probiotics he did well for

the

> first three days but then went back to his normal behaviors. He is hyper most

of

> the time, lacks focus (attention) is constantly stimming (puts his hands in

> front of his eyes) and does a LOT OF TEETH GRINDING.

>

> My son has been on Nystatin, Diflucan, Sporanox, Nystatin and now Nizoral. Up

> until now none have taken care of his yeast overgrowth. Previous 2 Oats test

> showed Arabinose and Parapsilosis to be very high. Did an Oats test this week

> and won't get test results back for another 2 weeks to see if Nizoral has

helped

> his yeast (had to call Dr. to order test, buy kit).

>

> I can't stand the fact that my DAN! is not big on test and would rather take

the

> let's try this approach.

>

> I emailed him this morning that we are concerned with Sebastian's behaviors

> being like a YO-Yo, a couple of good days spread into a lot of bad days. My

son

> does not appear healthy (black circles under eyes)I asked him to call in

> Diflucan and Valtrex for my son. He called the prescriptions in and said in

the

> email hopefully we can get this figured out (very reassuring).We can't wait to

> see Dr. G and have a Dr that believes in taking test and doing things

> methodically. I hope no one takes this post as bashing the DAN! protocol (we

> know it has helped lots of our kids) but we are disappointed.

>

> Sorry for the long post and a special thanks to all that have responded to my

> previous post. If you sent an email to any of my previous post sorry about not

> responding I do appreciate it but with working going to school and 3 boys it

is

> sometimes difficult to find the time.

>

> If anyone has the answer to my question as well as any tips to what may help

my

> son with some of his behaviors I would greatly appreciate it.

>

> Taly

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your response, Holly. Yes, DAN protocol is not working the way we

though it would, not to mention it is expensive!

What kind of improvements have you seen in your child?

One of the things my wife and I are a little reluctant about is the use of

SSRI's... Has your son started on this yet?

Also, we are getting ready to start the Specific carbohydrate diet (except for

the dairy part) to see if the yeast issues get better. Is your child on the

diet, and how is it different from SCD?

Thank you again... Taly

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > Does anyone know if doses of Diflucan and Valtrex can be given together?

> >

> > I know the Valtrex is 250 mg 3 times a day but my DAN said for the

fluconaozle, the dose would be 4ml the first day, 2ml daily after that.

> > Is this correct?

> >

> > My wife and I are very disappointed with our DAN experience. We are waiting

on my son's medical records to send back with questionaire so we can get an

appointment with Dr. Goldberg.

> >

> > Just got Dr. G's book and started reading it.

> >

> > My son is on a lot of different supplements: DMG, vit d, colostrum, zinc,

b-12, folinic acid, cod liver oil, vitamin C, magnesium and most recently we

switched to custom probiotics. When we switched to custom probiotics he did

well for the first three days but then went back to his normal behaviors. He is

hyper most of the time, lacks focus (attention) is constantly stimming (puts his

hands in front of his eyes) and does a LOT OF TEETH GRINDING.

> >

> > My son has been on Nystatin, Diflucan, Sporanox, Nystatin and now Nizoral.

Up until now none have taken care of his yeast overgrowth. Previous 2 Oats test

showed Arabinose and Parapsilosis to be very high. Did an Oats test this week

and won't get test results back for another 2 weeks to see if Nizoral has helped

his yeast (had to call Dr. to order test, buy kit).

> >

> > I can't stand the fact that my DAN! is not big on test and would rather take

the let's try this approach.

> >

> > I emailed him this morning that we are concerned with Sebastian's behaviors

being like a YO-Yo, a couple of good days spread into a lot of bad days. My son

does not appear healthy (black circles under eyes)I asked him to call in

Diflucan and Valtrex for my son. He called the prescriptions in and said in the

email hopefully we can get this figured out (very reassuring).We can't wait to

see Dr. G and have a Dr that believes in taking test and doing things

methodically. I hope no one takes this post as bashing the DAN! protocol (we

know it has helped lots of our kids) but we are disappointed.

> >

> > Sorry for the long post and a special thanks to all that have responded to

my previous post. If you sent an email to any of my previous post sorry about

not responding I do appreciate it but with working going to school and 3 boys it

is sometimes difficult to find the time.

> >

> > If anyone has the answer to my question as well as any tips to what may help

my son with some of his behaviors I would greatly appreciate it.

> >

> > Taly

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The SSRI was the part that worried me but we start on such a low dose 1/8th tab,

and it took a year to get to a full pill. I am now a believer that they really

do help my child and because we dosed so slowly we could see effects - good/bad

right away.

I will admit there were definitely medication adjustments and some were

difficult and I would almost get go the point of calling the office to say I'm

stopping but thankfully, things got better right when I was thinking of stopping

it. The small little breakthroughs are really worth it.

Laureen

Thumb typed - typos will be a plenty!

On Mar 13, 2011, at 6:40 PM, " wenruiz2 " <taly@...> wrote:

> Thank you for your response, Holly. Yes, DAN protocol is not working the way

we though it would, not to mention it is expensive!

>

> What kind of improvements have you seen in your child?

>

> One of the things my wife and I are a little reluctant about is the use of

SSRI's... Has your son started on this yet?

>

> Also, we are getting ready to start the Specific carbohydrate diet (except for

the dairy part) to see if the yeast issues get better. Is your child on the

diet, and how is it different from SCD?

>

> Thank you again... Taly

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > Does anyone know if doses of Diflucan and Valtrex can be given together?

> > >

> > > I know the Valtrex is 250 mg 3 times a day but my DAN said for the

fluconaozle, the dose would be 4ml the first day, 2ml daily after that.

> > > Is this correct?

> > >

> > > My wife and I are very disappointed with our DAN experience. We are

waiting on my son's medical records to send back with questionaire so we can get

an appointment with Dr. Goldberg.

> > >

> > > Just got Dr. G's book and started reading it.

> > >

> > > My son is on a lot of different supplements: DMG, vit d, colostrum, zinc,

b-12, folinic acid, cod liver oil, vitamin C, magnesium and most recently we

switched to custom probiotics. When we switched to custom probiotics he did well

for the first three days but then went back to his normal behaviors. He is hyper

most of the time, lacks focus (attention) is constantly stimming (puts his hands

in front of his eyes) and does a LOT OF TEETH GRINDING.

> > >

> > > My son has been on Nystatin, Diflucan, Sporanox, Nystatin and now Nizoral.

Up until now none have taken care of his yeast overgrowth. Previous 2 Oats test

showed Arabinose and Parapsilosis to be very high. Did an Oats test this week

and won't get test results back for another 2 weeks to see if Nizoral has helped

his yeast (had to call Dr. to order test, buy kit).

> > >

> > > I can't stand the fact that my DAN! is not big on test and would rather

take the let's try this approach.

> > >

> > > I emailed him this morning that we are concerned with Sebastian's

behaviors being like a YO-Yo, a couple of good days spread into a lot of bad

days. My son does not appear healthy (black circles under eyes)I asked him to

call in Diflucan and Valtrex for my son. He called the prescriptions in and said

in the email hopefully we can get this figured out (very reassuring).We can't

wait to see Dr. G and have a Dr that believes in taking test and doing things

methodically. I hope no one takes this post as bashing the DAN! protocol (we

know it has helped lots of our kids) but we are disappointed.

> > >

> > > Sorry for the long post and a special thanks to all that have responded to

my previous post. If you sent an email to any of my previous post sorry about

not responding I do appreciate it but with working going to school and 3 boys it

is sometimes difficult to find the time.

> > >

> > > If anyone has the answer to my question as well as any tips to what may

help my son with some of his behaviors I would greatly appreciate it.

> > >

> > > Taly

> > >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Avoid the nuts of the specific carb diet.

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > Does anyone know if doses of Diflucan and Valtrex can be given together?

> > >

> > > I know the Valtrex is 250 mg 3 times a day but my DAN said for the

fluconaozle, the dose would be 4ml the first day, 2ml daily after that.

> > > Is this correct?

> > >

> > > My wife and I are very disappointed with our DAN experience. We are

waiting on my son's medical records to send back with questionaire so we can get

an appointment with Dr. Goldberg.

> > >

> > > Just got Dr. G's book and started reading it.

> > >

> > > My son is on a lot of different supplements: DMG, vit d, colostrum, zinc,

b-12, folinic acid, cod liver oil, vitamin C, magnesium and most recently we

switched to custom probiotics. When we switched to custom probiotics he did

well for the first three days but then went back to his normal behaviors. He is

hyper most of the time, lacks focus (attention) is constantly stimming (puts his

hands in front of his eyes) and does a LOT OF TEETH GRINDING.

> > >

> > > My son has been on Nystatin, Diflucan, Sporanox, Nystatin and now Nizoral.

Up until now none have taken care of his yeast overgrowth. Previous 2 Oats test

showed Arabinose and Parapsilosis to be very high. Did an Oats test this week

and won't get test results back for another 2 weeks to see if Nizoral has helped

his yeast (had to call Dr. to order test, buy kit).

> > >

> > > I can't stand the fact that my DAN! is not big on test and would rather

take the let's try this approach.

> > >

> > > I emailed him this morning that we are concerned with Sebastian's

behaviors being like a YO-Yo, a couple of good days spread into a lot of bad

days. My son does not appear healthy (black circles under eyes)I asked him to

call in Diflucan and Valtrex for my son. He called the prescriptions in and said

in the email hopefully we can get this figured out (very reassuring).We can't

wait to see Dr. G and have a Dr that believes in taking test and doing things

methodically. I hope no one takes this post as bashing the DAN! protocol (we

know it has helped lots of our kids) but we are disappointed.

> > >

> > > Sorry for the long post and a special thanks to all that have responded to

my previous post. If you sent an email to any of my previous post sorry about

not responding I do appreciate it but with working going to school and 3 boys it

is sometimes difficult to find the time.

> > >

> > > If anyone has the answer to my question as well as any tips to what may

help my son with some of his behaviors I would greatly appreciate it.

> > >

> > > Taly

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Taly,

Most parents are wary of SSRIs, but from my experience they have helped the most

out of everything. started Paxil a month before we saw Dr. G (I asked

his regular pediatrician to put him on it, knowing that eventually Dr. G would)

and within 3 weeks there was a HUGE difference in his behavior -- he was

energetic, happy, and finished potty training on his own. We're still working

out some issues (he's grinding his teeth a lot -- something he did before, but

it seems worse now), so we might have to change dosage or change to another

SSRI. Since I take an SSRI myself, I can tell you that it doesn't " drug " you --

all it does is prevent your body from under-utilizing the serotonin that your

body needs to regulate sleep, improve language, and manage anxiety/depression.

My son is on the diet, and is seems to me that it's actually a lot less

stringent than SCD. Dr. G has an overall anti-inflammatory diet (that's outlined

in his book), then he looks at specifically what your child is eating and

removes anything that he feels might be a problem.

As far as improvements (aside from the ones I mentioned earlier), 's

pronunciation and " appropriate " use of words has improved quite a bit, and he's

following directions better and interacting more with other kids. We still have

a LONG way to go, but it's only been 3 months, so I'm very hopeful! -- Holly

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone know if doses of Diflucan and Valtrex can be given together?

> > > >

> > > > I know the Valtrex is 250 mg 3 times a day but my DAN said for the

fluconaozle, the dose would be 4ml the first day, 2ml daily after that.

> > > > Is this correct?

> > > >

> > > > My wife and I are very disappointed with our DAN experience. We are

waiting on my son's medical records to send back with questionaire so we can get

an appointment with Dr. Goldberg.

> > > >

> > > > Just got Dr. G's book and started reading it.

> > > >

> > > > My son is on a lot of different supplements: DMG, vit d, colostrum,

zinc, b-12, folinic acid, cod liver oil, vitamin C, magnesium and most recently

we switched to custom probiotics. When we switched to custom probiotics he did

well for the first three days but then went back to his normal behaviors. He is

hyper most of the time, lacks focus (attention) is constantly stimming (puts his

hands in front of his eyes) and does a LOT OF TEETH GRINDING.

> > > >

> > > > My son has been on Nystatin, Diflucan, Sporanox, Nystatin and now

Nizoral. Up until now none have taken care of his yeast overgrowth. Previous 2

Oats test showed Arabinose and Parapsilosis to be very high. Did an Oats test

this week and won't get test results back for another 2 weeks to see if Nizoral

has helped his yeast (had to call Dr. to order test, buy kit).

> > > >

> > > > I can't stand the fact that my DAN! is not big on test and would rather

take the let's try this approach.

> > > >

> > > > I emailed him this morning that we are concerned with Sebastian's

behaviors being like a YO-Yo, a couple of good days spread into a lot of bad

days. My son does not appear healthy (black circles under eyes)I asked him to

call in Diflucan and Valtrex for my son. He called the prescriptions in and said

in the email hopefully we can get this figured out (very reassuring).We can't

wait to see Dr. G and have a Dr that believes in taking test and doing things

methodically. I hope no one takes this post as bashing the DAN! protocol (we

know it has helped lots of our kids) but we are disappointed.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry for the long post and a special thanks to all that have responded

to my previous post. If you sent an email to any of my previous post sorry about

not responding I do appreciate it but with working going to school and 3 boys it

is sometimes difficult to find the time.

> > > >

> > > > If anyone has the answer to my question as well as any tips to what may

help my son with some of his behaviors I would greatly appreciate it.

> > > >

> > > > Taly

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>