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Chewing is frequently a sign of zinc deficiency.

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I don't know if you all have tried this buy my son loves to chew too.....histeeth really bother him and he's 10. We buy plastic jump ropes and theyfeel like the thera tubing that OT's have.Also he likes the Vitaballs this is gum w/ vitamins found in Wal-mart. Ittastes awful but he likes it! Also I encourage him to chew double bubble(hard bubble gum) he really seems to calm him.Nina

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Hi Jerry,

Do you have a direct link to this article?

Thank you,

-Ken Bagwell

> Multiple-Vitamin, Mineral Combination Reduces the Risk of

Cancer in Men

>

> In this French study 13,000 men and women aged 35 to 60 were

placed on a supplement for an average of 7.5 years. The supplement

included Vitamin C 120mg, Vitamin E 45 IU, Beta-Carotene 10,000 IU,

Selenium 100mcg, and Zinc 20mg. The incidence of cancer among men was

significantly lower in the supplemented group than in the placebo

group. The study is published in the November 22nd, 2004 issue of the

Archives of Internal Medicine.

>

>

>

> Commentary by Jerry Hickey, R.Ph.

>

> The men had more protection than the women possibly because

men have lower antioxidant levels in general than women according to

these researchers (of course this is in France, and is not possibly,

representative of women in the USA). I would add the following to

protect women and decrease their risk of cancer - Lycopene, Folic

Acid, Tocotrienols, and Gamma-Tocopherol along with the previous

formula. The men also would have benefited from these additional

ingredients.

>

> Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

> ========- - - Reply with your po box or street address to get

a free

> copy of The Holistic Dental Digest PLUS.

> jmittelman@n...

> What dentists aren't likely to learn in dental school

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Multiple-Vitamin, Mineral Combination Reduces the Risk of Cancer in Men

http://www.hickeychemists.com/radio/2004_11_23abstract.htm

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Re: Vitamins

Hi Jerry,

Do you have a direct link to this article?

Thank you,

-Ken Bagwell

> Multiple-Vitamin, Mineral Combination Reduces the Risk of

Cancer in Men

>

> In this French study 13,000 men and women aged 35 to 60 were

placed on a supplement for an average of 7.5 years. The supplement

included Vitamin C 120mg, Vitamin E 45 IU, Beta-Carotene 10,000 IU,

Selenium 100mcg, and Zinc 20mg. The incidence of cancer among men was

significantly lower in the supplemented group than in the placebo

group. The study is published in the November 22nd, 2004 issue of the

Archives of Internal Medicine.

>

>

>

> Commentary by Jerry Hickey, R.Ph.

>

> The men had more protection than the women possibly because

men have lower antioxidant levels in general than women according to

these researchers (of course this is in France, and is not possibly,

representative of women in the USA). I would add the following to

protect women and decrease their risk of cancer - Lycopene, Folic

Acid, Tocotrienols, and Gamma-Tocopherol along with the previous

formula. The men also would have benefited from these additional

ingredients.

>

> Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

> ========- - - Reply with your po box or street address to get

a free

> copy of The Holistic Dental Digest PLUS.

> jmittelman@n...

> What dentists aren't likely to learn in dental school

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thank you, magena!

-Ken Bagwell

> > Multiple-Vitamin, Mineral Combination Reduces the Risk of

> Cancer in Men

> >

> > In this French study 13,000 men and women aged 35 to 60

were

> placed on a supplement for an average of 7.5 years. The

supplement

> included Vitamin C 120mg, Vitamin E 45 IU, Beta-Carotene 10,000

IU,

> Selenium 100mcg, and Zinc 20mg. The incidence of cancer among men

was

> significantly lower in the supplemented group than in the placebo

> group. The study is published in the November 22nd, 2004 issue of

the

> Archives of Internal Medicine.

> >

> >

> >

> > Commentary by Jerry Hickey, R.Ph.

> >

> > The men had more protection than the women possibly

because

> men have lower antioxidant levels in general than women according

to

> these researchers (of course this is in France, and is not

possibly,

> representative of women in the USA). I would add the following to

> protect women and decrease their risk of cancer - Lycopene, Folic

> Acid, Tocotrienols, and Gamma-Tocopherol along with the previous

> formula. The men also would have benefited from these additional

> ingredients.

> >

> > Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

> > ========- - - Reply with your po box or street address to

get

> a free

> > copy of The Holistic Dental Digest PLUS.

> > jmittelman@n...

> > What dentists aren't likely to learn in dental school

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Ken:

http://www.hickeychemists.com/radio_abstract.htm

Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

- - - Reply with your po box or street address to get a free

copy of The Holistic Dental Digest PLUS.

jmittelman@...

What dentists aren't likely to learn in dental school

Re: Vitamins

>

>

> Hi Jerry,

>

> Do you have a direct link to this article?

>

> Thank you,

> -Ken Bagwell

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Hi Ken,

It was my pleasure!!!!

Sharon

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Re: Vitamins

Thank you, magena!

-Ken Bagwell

> > Multiple-Vitamin, Mineral Combination Reduces the Risk of

> Cancer in Men

> >

> > In this French study 13,000 men and women aged 35 to 60

were

> placed on a supplement for an average of 7.5 years. The

supplement

> included Vitamin C 120mg, Vitamin E 45 IU, Beta-Carotene 10,000

IU,

> Selenium 100mcg, and Zinc 20mg. The incidence of cancer among men

was

> significantly lower in the supplemented group than in the placebo

> group. The study is published in the November 22nd, 2004 issue of

the

> Archives of Internal Medicine.

> >

> >

> >

> > Commentary by Jerry Hickey, R.Ph.

> >

> > The men had more protection than the women possibly

because

> men have lower antioxidant levels in general than women according

to

> these researchers (of course this is in France, and is not

possibly,

> representative of women in the USA). I would add the following to

> protect women and decrease their risk of cancer - Lycopene, Folic

> Acid, Tocotrienols, and Gamma-Tocopherol along with the previous

> formula. The men also would have benefited from these additional

> ingredients.

> >

> > Jerry Mittelman, DDS, FAPM

> > ========- - - Reply with your po box or street address to

get

> a free

> > copy of The Holistic Dental Digest PLUS.

> > jmittelman@n...

> > What dentists aren't likely to learn in dental school

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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,

I think that is very wise. I am interested to see if CLOS comments on this, but

I have a friend here who had RNY and she takes Flintstones chewables. I am

always interested to hear what other surgeons are telling their patients to do.

(experienced surgeons) So last week I bought a bottle of Flintstone chewables

(actually I bought the much cheaper Equate brand) and have added them to my One

Source. I haven't had any blood work done, so I don't know if I was down in any

of my counts but I thought I would go ahead and take this in hopes of staying on

top of everything.

Thanks for the info and let us know how your levels turn out when you have them

tested again.

~a in Georgia

-------------- Original message --------------

Let me say right now I am NOT giving advice and am NOT endorsing the

information below - just giving it as information. Everyone has to make

decisions for themselves and do what is right for themselves.

I was having trouble remembering to take my vitamins and am currently

paying the price by having a low B12 level and low iron levels. So - I

was trying to find a way to remember to take my vitamins regularly. I

also think it makes sense that a chewable vitamin would be absorbed more

easily than a " horse pill " . So I spent several minutes reading package

labels at the pharmacy. The first thing I noticed was that the Centrum

chewable which is an " adult vitamin " had the same ingredients as the

children's chewable!

Below is what I found for Wal-Mart One source which is what Dr. R

recommends. The value after the ingredient is what is in One Souce and

the value in brackets is the value found in One Source Active Kids

Complete. I have found that what works for me is keeping the bottle on

my desk and I am taking six per day for a while instead of 3. The

values are very similar as far and I feel great. We'll see in a month

or so what my labs are doing though. I do supplement with additional

iron and sublingual B12 as well as B1 and B6.

One again - NOT telling anyone to switch - just providing information!

in GA

Wal-Mart One Source versus One Source Active Kids Complete

Vitamin A 3500 IU (3000 IU)

Vitamin C 120 mg (100 mg)

Vitamin D 400 IU (400 IU)

Vitamin E 60 IU (30 IU)

Vitamin K 25 mcg (------)

Thiamin 4.5 mg (1.6 mg)

Riboflavin 5.1 mg (2 mg)

Niacin 30 mg (20 mg)

Vitamin B6 6 mg (2.25 mg)

Folic acid 400 mcg (400 mcg)

Vitamin B12 18 mcg (12.8 mcg)

Biotin 40 mcg (45 mcg)

Pant. Acid 10 mg (10 mg)

Calcium 180 mg (115 mg)

Iron 18 mg (18 mg)

Phosphorus 127 mg (50 mg)

Iodine 150 mcg (150 mg)

Magnesium 100 mg (25 mg)

Zinc 15 mg (15 mg)

Selenium 200 mc g (------)

Copper 3.5 mg (2 mg)

Magnanese 3 mg (trace)

Chromium 150 mcg (trace)

Molybdenum 208 mcg (trace)

Chloride 72 mg (-------)

Potassium 80 mg (-------)

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O feel I must mention that someone privately pointed out to me that

some vitamins in large doses are toxic -- like vitamin A. So - be

cautious with everything.

in GA

>

> ,

>

> I think that is very wise. I am interested to see if CLOS comments

on this, but I have a friend here who had RNY and she takes

Flintstones chewables. I am always interested to hear what other

surgeons are telling their patients to do. (experienced surgeons)

So last week I bought a bottle of Flintstone chewables (actually I

bought the much cheaper Equate brand) and have added them to my One

Source. I haven't had any blood work done, so I don't know if I was

down in any of my counts but I thought I would go ahead and take this

in hopes of staying on top of everything.

>

> Thanks for the info and let us know how your levels turn out when

you have them tested again.

>

> ~a in Georgia

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

>

> Let me say right now I am NOT giving advice and am NOT endorsing the

> information below - just giving it as information. Everyone has to

make

> decisions for themselves and do what is right for themselves.

>

> I was having trouble remembering to take my vitamins and am

currently

> paying the price by having a low B12 level and low iron levels.

So - I

> was trying to find a way to remember to take my vitamins

regularly. I

> also think it makes sense that a chewable vitamin would be absorbed

more

> easily than a " horse pill " . So I spent several minutes reading

package

> labels at the pharmacy. The first thing I noticed was that the

Centrum

> chewable which is an " adult vitamin " had the same ingredients as the

> children's chewable!

>

> Below is what I found for Wal-Mart One source which is what Dr. R

> recommends. The value after the ingredient is what is in One Souce

and

> the value in brackets is the value found in One Source Active Kids

> Complete. I have found that what works for me is keeping the

bottle on

> my desk and I am taking six per day for a while instead of 3. The

> values are very similar as far and I feel great. We'll see in a

month

> or so what my labs are doing though. I do supplement with

additional

> iron and sublingual B12 as well as B1 and B6.

>

> One again - NOT telling anyone to switch - just providing

information!

>

> in GA

>

>

> Wal-Mart One Source versus One Source Active Kids Complete

>

>

>

> Vitamin A 3500 IU (3000 IU)

>

> Vitamin C 120 mg (100 mg)

>

> Vitamin D 400 IU (400 IU)

>

> Vitamin E 60 IU (30 IU)

>

> Vitamin K 25 mcg (------)

>

> Thiamin 4.5 mg (1.6 mg)

>

> Riboflavin 5.1 mg (2 mg)

>

> Niacin 30 mg (20 mg)

>

> Vitamin B6 6 mg (2.25 mg)

>

> Folic acid 400 mcg (400 mcg)

>

> Vitamin B12 18 mcg (12.8 mcg)

>

> Biotin 40 mcg (45 mcg)

>

> Pant. Acid 10 mg (10 mg)

>

> Calcium 180 mg (115 mg)

>

> Iron 18 mg (18 mg)

>

> Phosphorus 127 mg (50 mg)

>

> Iodine 150 mcg (150 mg)

>

> Magnesium 100 mg (25 mg)

>

> Zinc 15 mg (15 mg)

>

> Selenium 200 mc g (------)

>

> Copper 3.5 mg (2 mg)

>

> Magnanese 3 mg (trace)

>

> Chromium 150 mcg (trace)

>

> Molybdenum 208 mcg (trace)

>

> Chloride 72 mg (-------)

>

> Potassium 80 mg (-------)

>

>

>

>

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Just a quick note on vitamins. I've been doing some heavy research on vitamin

and mineral supplementation. In my studies, I have learned that for the human

body to operate at its fullest potential, it needs 91 nutrients daily, 60

minerals, 16 vitamins, 12 amino acids, and 3 fatty acids. Check your labels,

are you getting all of that? I also found that the body only absorbs about 10%

of the vitamins and minerals when taken in the pill form. If it is in the

chelated form (amino acids added to bond with for better absorption) about 40%

of the vitamins and minerals are absorbed. In the colloidal form (liquid)

about 98% of the vitamins and minerals are absorbed. I have been on a liquid

vitamin and mineral supplement that offers all 91 of the nutrients, and have

only been taking it once a day. My labs have all been perfect and I have so

much more energy. It is a little pricey ($60.00 a month plus shipping), but

hey...I spent $17,000.00 on this surgery, I figure I'm worth that and another

$60.00 a month. If any of you want any more information about the supplement I

am using, e-mail me privately at jewely@... . I will be happy to talk with

you.

in Phoenix

Dr. Hargroder

02/19/04

261-180-120

5'2 " 43 y/o

Re: Vitamins

,

I think that is very wise. I am interested to see if CLOS comments on this,

but I have a friend here who had RNY and she takes Flintstones chewables. I am

always interested to hear what other surgeons are telling their patients to do.

(experienced surgeons) So last week I bought a bottle of Flintstone chewables

(actually I bought the much cheaper Equate brand) and have added them to my One

Source. I haven't had any blood work done, so I don't know if I was down in any

of my counts but I thought I would go ahead and take this in hopes of staying on

top of everything.

Thanks for the info and let us know how your levels turn out when you have

them tested again.

~a in Georgia

-------------- Original message --------------

Let me say right now I am NOT giving advice and am NOT endorsing the

information below - just giving it as information. Everyone has to make

decisions for themselves and do what is right for themselves.

I was having trouble remembering to take my vitamins and am currently

paying the price by having a low B12 level and low iron levels. So - I

was trying to find a way to remember to take my vitamins regularly. I

also think it makes sense that a chewable vitamin would be absorbed more

easily than a " horse pill " . So I spent several minutes reading package

labels at the pharmacy. The first thing I noticed was that the Centrum

chewable which is an " adult vitamin " had the same ingredients as the

children's chewable!

Below is what I found for Wal-Mart One source which is what Dr. R

recommends. The value after the ingredient is what is in One Souce and

the value in brackets is the value found in One Source Active Kids

Complete. I have found that what works for me is keeping the bottle on

my desk and I am taking six per day for a while instead of 3. The

values are very similar as far and I feel great. We'll see in a month

or so what my labs are doing though. I do supplement with additional

iron and sublingual B12 as well as B1 and B6.

One again - NOT telling anyone to switch - just providing information!

in GA

Wal-Mart One Source versus One Source Active Kids Complete

Vitamin A 3500 IU (3000 IU)

Vitamin C 120 mg (100 mg)

Vitamin D 400 IU (400 IU)

Vitamin E 60 IU (30 IU)

Vitamin K 25 mcg (------)

Thiamin 4.5 mg (1.6 mg)

Riboflavin 5.1 mg (2 mg)

Niacin 30 mg (20 mg)

Vitamin B6 6 mg (2.25 mg)

Folic acid 400 mcg (400 mcg)

Vitamin B12 18 mcg (12.8 mcg)

Biotin 40 mcg (45 mcg)

Pant. Acid 10 mg (10 mg)

Calcium 180 mg (115 mg)

Iron 18 mg (18 mg)

Phosphorus 127 mg (50 mg)

Iodine 150 mcg (150 mg)

Magnesium 100 mg (25 mg)

Zinc 15 mg (15 mg)

Selenium 200 mc g (------)

Copper 3.5 mg (2 mg)

Magnanese 3 mg (trace)

Chromium 150 mcg (trace)

Molybdenum 208 mcg (trace)

Chloride 72 mg (-------)

Potassium 80 mg (-------)

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- Can you share the name of your liquid vitamins and the source that you

purchase them from.

I also have trouble remembering to take everything 2 or 3 times a day and I

would love to have something complete and in a liquid form. Thanks bunches,

Dr. R

10/28/03

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Re: Vitamins

>

>

>

> ,

>

> I think that is very wise. I am interested to see if CLOS

> comments on this, but I have a friend here who had RNY and she

> takes Flintstones chewables. I am always interested to hear what

> other surgeons are telling their patients to do. (experienced

> surgeons) So last week I bought a bottle of Flintstone chewables

> (actually I bought the much cheaper Equate brand) and have added

> them to my One Source. I haven't had any blood work done, so I

> don't know if I was down in any of my counts but I thought I would

> go ahead and take this in hopes of staying on top of everything.

>

> Thanks for the info and let us know how your levels turn out

> when you have them tested again.

>

> ~a in Georgia

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

>

> Let me say right now I am NOT giving advice and am NOT endorsing the

> information below - just giving it as information. Everyone has

> to make

> decisions for themselves and do what is right for themselves.

>

> I was having trouble remembering to take my vitamins and am

> currently paying the price by having a low B12 level and low iron

> levels. So - I

> was trying to find a way to remember to take my vitamins

> regularly. I

> also think it makes sense that a chewable vitamin would be

> absorbed more

> easily than a " horse pill " . So I spent several minutes reading

> package labels at the pharmacy. The first thing I noticed was

> that the Centrum

> chewable which is an " adult vitamin " had the same ingredients as the

> children's chewable!

>

> Below is what I found for Wal-Mart One source which is what Dr. R

> recommends. The value after the ingredient is what is in One

> Souce and

> the value in brackets is the value found in One Source Active Kids

> Complete. I have found that what works for me is keeping the

> bottle on

> my desk and I am taking six per day for a while instead of 3. The

> values are very similar as far and I feel great. We'll see in a

> month or so what my labs are doing though. I do supplement with

> additional iron and sublingual B12 as well as B1 and B6.

>

> One again - NOT telling anyone to switch - just providing

> information!

> in GA

>

>

> Wal-Mart One Source versus One Source Active Kids Complete

>

>

>

> Vitamin A 3500 IU (3000 IU)

>

> Vitamin C 120 mg (100 mg)

>

> Vitamin D 400 IU (400 IU)

>

> Vitamin E 60 IU (30 IU)

>

> Vitamin K 25 mcg (------)

>

> Thiamin 4.5 mg (1.6 mg)

>

> Riboflavin 5.1 mg (2 mg)

>

> Niacin 30 mg (20 mg)

>

> Vitamin B6 6 mg (2.25 mg)

>

> Folic acid 400 mcg (400 mcg)

>

> Vitamin B12 18 mcg (12.8 mcg)

>

> Biotin 40 mcg (45 mcg)

>

> Pant. Acid 10 mg (10 mg)

>

> Calcium 180 mg (115 mg)

>

> Iron 18 mg (18 mg)

>

> Phosphorus 127 mg (50 mg)

>

> Iodine 150 mcg (150 mg)

>

> Magnesium 100 mg (25 mg)

>

> Zinc 15 mg (15 mg)

>

> Selenium 200 mc g (------)

>

> Copper 3.5 mg (2 mg)

>

> Magnanese 3 mg (trace)

>

> Chromium 150 mcg (trace)

>

> Molybdenum 208 mcg (trace)

>

> Chloride 72 mg (-------)

>

> Potassium 80 mg (-------)

>

>

>

>

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I use Sea Silver Vitamins. They are liquid. I took these before the MGB. My

blood work has been perfect. I think they run about $30 a month.

<jewely@...> wrote:

Just a quick note on vitamins. I've been doing some heavy research on vitamin

and mineral supplementation. In my studies, I have learned that for the human

body to operate at its fullest potential, it needs 91 nutrients daily, 60

minerals, 16 vitamins, 12 amino acids, and 3 fatty acids. Check your labels,

are you getting all of that? I also found that the body only absorbs about 10%

of the vitamins and minerals when taken in the pill form. If it is in the

chelated form (amino acids added to bond with for better absorption) about 40%

of the vitamins and minerals are absorbed. In the colloidal form (liquid)

about 98% of the vitamins and minerals are absorbed. I have been on a liquid

vitamin and mineral supplement that offers all 91 of the nutrients, and have

only been taking it once a day. My labs have all been perfect and I have so

much more energy. It is a little pricey ($60.00 a month plus shipping), but

hey...I spent $17,000.00 on this surgery, I figure I'm worth that

and another $60.00 a month. If any of you want any more information about the

supplement I am using, e-mail me privately at jewely@... . I will be happy

to talk with you.

in Phoenix

Dr. Hargroder

02/19/04

261-180-120

5'2 " 43 y/o

Re: Vitamins

,

I think that is very wise. I am interested to see if CLOS comments on this,

but I have a friend here who had RNY and she takes Flintstones chewables. I am

always interested to hear what other surgeons are telling their patients to do.

(experienced surgeons) So last week I bought a bottle of Flintstone chewables

(actually I bought the much cheaper Equate brand) and have added them to my One

Source. I haven't had any blood work done, so I don't know if I was down in any

of my counts but I thought I would go ahead and take this in hopes of staying on

top of everything.

Thanks for the info and let us know how your levels turn out when you have

them tested again.

~a in Georgia

-------------- Original message --------------

Let me say right now I am NOT giving advice and am NOT endorsing the

information below - just giving it as information. Everyone has to make

decisions for themselves and do what is right for themselves.

I was having trouble remembering to take my vitamins and am currently

paying the price by having a low B12 level and low iron levels. So - I

was trying to find a way to remember to take my vitamins regularly. I

also think it makes sense that a chewable vitamin would be absorbed more

easily than a " horse pill " . So I spent several minutes reading package

labels at the pharmacy. The first thing I noticed was that the Centrum

chewable which is an " adult vitamin " had the same ingredients as the

children's chewable!

Below is what I found for Wal-Mart One source which is what Dr. R

recommends. The value after the ingredient is what is in One Souce and

the value in brackets is the value found in One Source Active Kids

Complete. I have found that what works for me is keeping the bottle on

my desk and I am taking six per day for a while instead of 3. The

values are very similar as far and I feel great. We'll see in a month

or so what my labs are doing though. I do supplement with additional

iron and sublingual B12 as well as B1 and B6.

One again - NOT telling anyone to switch - just providing information!

in GA

Wal-Mart One Source versus One Source Active Kids Complete

Vitamin A 3500 IU (3000 IU)

Vitamin C 120 mg (100 mg)

Vitamin D 400 IU (400 IU)

Vitamin E 60 IU (30 IU)

Vitamin K 25 mcg (------)

Thiamin 4.5 mg (1.6 mg)

Riboflavin 5.1 mg (2 mg)

Niacin 30 mg (20 mg)

Vitamin B6 6 mg (2.25 mg)

Folic acid 400 mcg (400 mcg)

Vitamin B12 18 mcg (12.8 mcg)

Biotin 40 mcg (45 mcg)

Pant. Acid 10 mg (10 mg)

Calcium 180 mg (115 mg)

Iron 18 mg (18 mg)

Phosphorus 127 mg (50 mg)

Iodine 150 mcg (150 mg)

Magnesium 100 mg (25 mg)

Zinc 15 mg (15 mg)

Selenium 200 mc g (------)

Copper 3.5 mg (2 mg)

Magnanese 3 mg (trace)

Chromium 150 mcg (trace)

Molybdenum 208 mcg (trace)

Chloride 72 mg (-------)

Potassium 80 mg (-------)

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vitamins

Hi,

I am receiving requests for information on the vitamins that I am taking. If

you need information, please contact me at jewely@... . Please leave me an

e-mail address to send the information to because it is lengthy and I need to

send it to several people all at one time. Thanks

Anne H. and Taryn, please give me your e-mail addresses so that I can forward

this info to you.

Thanks again,

in Phoenix

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,

How about just posting it to the board :).

>

> Hi,

>

> I am receiving requests for information on the vitamins that I am

taking. If you need information, please contact me at jewely@c... .

Please leave me an e-mail address to send the information to because

it is lengthy and I need to send it to several people all at one time.

Thanks

>

> Anne H. and Taryn, please give me your e-mail addresses so that I

can forward this info to you.

>

> Thanks again,

> in Phoenix

>

>

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,

I would post it to the board, but I am afraid that some might think that I am

posting it to just sell it and make a profit. If you are interested, I would be

happy to let you know if you e-mail me privately. I really think this product

has given me my energy back. I thought after loosing 80 lbs that most, if not

all, of my energy would return. I have done everything by the book and my

energy just hasn't come back full circle. Hope to hear from you.

in Phoenix

jewely@...

Re: vitamins

,

How about just posting it to the board :).

>

> Hi,

>

> I am receiving requests for information on the vitamins that I am

taking. If you need information, please contact me at jewely@c... .

Please leave me an e-mail address to send the information to because

it is lengthy and I need to send it to several people all at one time.

Thanks

>

> Anne H. and Taryn, please give me your e-mail addresses so that I

can forward this info to you.

>

> Thanks again,

> in Phoenix

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Chuck is probably going to disagree with me but your hubby should not be

taking lipitor!!!! which is not a benign med, if he is getting proper

thyroid treatment. High cholesterol is a thyroid symptom. People on

Armour report significant decreases. Right now statin drugs are marketed

heavily, these are the fad drugs. See the book Schwarzbein Principle. I

get good vitamins from a naturopath.

Gracia

>

>

> hello,

> I'm looking for advice on a good multi vitamin for my husband. He is

> on 125 mg of synthroid and just started taking lipitor 20 mg

> He goes to gym twice a week, quit smoking and has gained 10 lbs.

> Seems like all in his stomach not flabby at all though.

> He has lost color as well.

> Anything he can bring up with his endo would be appreciated.

> Thanks in advance

> Candy

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Gracia,

Thanks for replying so quickly!

What does one do if elevated choleterol and heart disease run in his

family?

I don't understand " benign " medicine, could you explain please.

I just purchased Centrum Silver and not sure if it's ok to take.

Thank you,

Candy

>

> Chuck is probably going to disagree with me but your hubby should

not be

> taking lipitor!!!! which is not a benign med, if he is getting

proper

> thyroid treatment. High cholesterol is a thyroid symptom.

People on

> Armour report significant decreases. Right now statin drugs are

marketed

> heavily, these are the fad drugs. See the book Schwarzbein

Principle. I

> get good vitamins from a naturopath.

> Gracia

>

> >

> >

> > hello,

> > I'm looking for advice on a good multi vitamin for my husband.

He is

> > on 125 mg of synthroid and just started taking lipitor 20 mg

> > He goes to gym twice a week, quit smoking and has gained 10

lbs.

> > Seems like all in his stomach not flabby at all though.

> > He has lost color as well.

> > Anything he can bring up with his endo would be appreciated.

> > Thanks in advance

> > Candy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Gracia,

You wrote:

>

> Chuck is probably going to disagree with me but your hubby should not be

> taking lipitor!!!! ...

Surprise! You have a point. Lipitor does at least warrant some serious

care, although not all statins have demonstrated the same problems.

I would suggest at least studying and printing out all the possible side

effects and posting them somewhere, so he won't go for week wondering

what's wrong, if he should start to react to it. He should also make

absolutely sure he never takes cyclosporine, gemfibrozil, niacin,

antibiotics, especially erythromycin, or medications for fungal

infections with his Lipitor. Those tend to bring on the worst of the

side effects.

I trust his doctor has a good reason for giving him 20 mg. a day. That

is not a particularly high dose (out of 80 mg maximum recommended), but

it is not the minimum, either. If his cholesterol gets even close to

being too low, he probably should back off the dosage. This might very

well happen as the thyroid replacement takes hold, just as you said.

Chuck

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I would say it all depends on the reason for the elevated cholesterol

and heart disease. If the reason is hypothyroidism, then I would

think you might want to give the thyroid meds. time to see if that

cures the problem. It did in my case, and I was on 125 mcg T4 at that

time. Four moths after starting thyroid meds, my cholesterol was down

to acceptable numbers.

But my husband has no thyroid problem, though his dad died of heart

disease, and he also had high cholesterol. So when my husband's

cholesterol got to the point where our Dr. wanted to put him on

medication, (this was about three years ago when he retired at age

54) my husband opted to try exercise and flax oil first. He's working

out at the Y as we speak. He has always eaten quite healthily, and

doesn't smoke. With sticking to this regimen, he has managed to keep

his BP and cholesterol within acceptable limits, so his prescription

is still here, unfilled. It isn't easy though, and you do have to be

committed, as my husband is. I do think that if the commitment is not

total, or if it still isn't enough, it is best to go onto medication.

Gail

> Gracia,

> Thanks for replying so quickly!

> What does one do if elevated choleterol and heart disease run in

his

> family?

> I don't understand " benign " medicine, could you explain please.

> I just purchased Centrum Silver and not sure if it's ok to take.

> Thank you,

> Candy

>

>

>

> >

> > Chuck is probably going to disagree with me but your hubby should

> not be

> > taking lipitor!!!! which is not a benign med, if he is getting

> proper

> > thyroid treatment. High cholesterol is a thyroid symptom.

> People on

> > Armour report significant decreases. Right now statin drugs are

> marketed

> > heavily, these are the fad drugs. See the book Schwarzbein

> Principle. I

> > get good vitamins from a naturopath.

> > Gracia

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > hello,

> > > I'm looking for advice on a good multi vitamin for my husband.

> He is

> > > on 125 mg of synthroid and just started taking lipitor 20 mg

> > > He goes to gym twice a week, quit smoking and has gained 10

> lbs.

> > > Seems like all in his stomach not flabby at all though.

> > > He has lost color as well.

> > > Anything he can bring up with his endo would be appreciated.

> > > Thanks in advance

> > > Candy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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you don't want to take a drug with many side effects if you don't need it.

Americans have been carefully educated that they should be on many drugs---

that's good for big pharma but not for us. Benign meds have few or no side

effects, this is not true for lipitor. IMO centrum silver has high amounts

of a few vitamins and very low amounts of others, and it is expensive.

Maybe GNC has a more balanced formula.

Gracia

>

>

>

> Gracia,

> Thanks for replying so quickly!

> What does one do if elevated choleterol and heart disease run in his

> family?

> I don't understand " benign " medicine, could you explain please.

> I just purchased Centrum Silver and not sure if it's ok to take.

> Thank you,

> Candy

>

>

>

> >

> > Chuck is probably going to disagree with me but your hubby should

> not be

> > taking lipitor!!!! which is not a benign med, if he is getting

> proper

> > thyroid treatment. High cholesterol is a thyroid symptom.

> People on

> > Armour report significant decreases. Right now statin drugs are

> marketed

> > heavily, these are the fad drugs. See the book Schwarzbein

> Principle. I

> > get good vitamins from a naturopath.

> > Gracia

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > hello,

> > > I'm looking for advice on a good multi vitamin for my husband.

> He is

> > > on 125 mg of synthroid and just started taking lipitor 20 mg

> > > He goes to gym twice a week, quit smoking and has gained 10

> lbs.

> > > Seems like all in his stomach not flabby at all though.

> > > He has lost color as well.

> > > Anything he can bring up with his endo would be appreciated.

> > > Thanks in advance

> > > Candy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Read Schwarzbein Principle, Hypothyrodism: the Unsuspected Illness and

Hormone Solution for completely different perspective on heart disease.

Definately good fats, not low fat is important.

Gracia

>

>

> I would say it all depends on the reason for the elevated cholesterol

> and heart disease. If the reason is hypothyroidism, then I would

> think you might want to give the thyroid meds. time to see if that

> cures the problem. It did in my case, and I was on 125 mcg T4 at that

> time. Four moths after starting thyroid meds, my cholesterol was down

> to acceptable numbers.

> But my husband has no thyroid problem, though his dad died of heart

> disease, and he also had high cholesterol. So when my husband's

> cholesterol got to the point where our Dr. wanted to put him on

> medication, (this was about three years ago when he retired at age

> 54) my husband opted to try exercise and flax oil first. He's working

> out at the Y as we speak. He has always eaten quite healthily, and

> doesn't smoke. With sticking to this regimen, he has managed to keep

> his BP and cholesterol within acceptable limits, so his prescription

> is still here, unfilled. It isn't easy though, and you do have to be

> committed, as my husband is. I do think that if the commitment is not

> total, or if it still isn't enough, it is best to go onto medication.

> Gail

>

>

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Hi, do you have PA or one of its variants? Pls could you summarize?

I have much experience with people who use vitamins & minerals,

including my own earlier usage, who have this disease. It is hard to

find a doctor who has experience w/this affliction, and not quite as

hard to find one that uses naturopathic methods in the USA, but one who

knows both, I have never found.

The isolated nutrients are hard to figure in the USA. Other countries

have far more experience--both with usage as well as preparation and

quality control standards. Sales & marketing is not exactly the best

way to control these things.

Dave

On Apr 9, 2005, at 9:34 PM, lowerbp2@... wrote:

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> In a message dated 4/9/05 14:20:36, schw9883@... writes:

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> I was taking dostinex for a microadenoma prolactin tumor.

> I drank a large coke during the day.  Can't remember the rest since

> this was about a week ago.

> I take alot of vitamins and herbs:

>

> Vit c

> Multiple Vit

> ginkgo

> milk thistle

> b complex

> taurine

> L carntine

> Flax seed Oil

> b12

> vit e

> saw palmetto

> querciten

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> What is in querciten?

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> omega 3 capsules

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> thank you for your assistance

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What is "PA"

Re: vitamins

Hi, do you have PA or one of its variants? Pls could you summarize? I have much experience with people who use vitamins & minerals, including my own earlier usage, who have this disease. It is hard to find a doctor who has experience w/this affliction, and not quite as hard to find one that uses naturopathic methods in the USA, but one who knows both, I have never found.The isolated nutrients are hard to figure in the USA. Other countries have far more experience--both with usage as well as preparation and quality control standards. Sales & marketing is not exactly the best way to control these things.DaveOn Apr 9, 2005, at 9:34 PM, lowerbp2@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/9/05 14:20:36, schw9883@... writes:I was taking dostinex for a microadenoma prolactin tumor.I drank a large coke during the day. Can't remember the rest sincethis was about a week ago.I take alot of vitamins and herbs:Vit cMultiple Vitginkgomilk thistleb complextaurineL carntineFlax seed Oilb12vit esaw palmettoquercitenWhat is in querciten?omega 3 capsulesthank you for your assistance

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PA is primary Aldostronism, when one of your adrenal glands is producing too much aldostrone due to a tumor or for whatever reason, this problem may be corrected by removing the gland.

HP is hyper placia, when both adrenal glands produce too much aldostrone

HA is hyper aldostronism, your blood contains too much aldostrone.

HA is a cause of secondary hypertention.

As Dave mentioned I also used to take all kinds of vitamins, minerals, and before I was diagnosed tried acupuncture. I have read Dr Weil's book and my diet is pretty much fruits and vegetables. Last two months I have had to stop everything as my doctors told me not to take any vitamins, as they interfere in getting good blood tests. This week I have to change my diet because until now I was eating foods that are very high on potassioum but since I just started spiro, I am supposed to NoT eat foods that are high in potassium and no vitamins. It is so hard to find any doctors who actually know much about HA.I would be very interested in knowing any nutropathic doctors who are familiar with this condition as well.

Thanks to this group I have learned so much from you guys that I would never have found on my own.

Best wishes,

Farah

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What is "PA"

Re: vitamins

Hi, do you have PA or one of its variants? Pls could you summarize? I have much experience with people who use vitamins & minerals, including my own earlier usage, who have this disease. It is hard to find a doctor who has experience w/this affliction, and not quite as hard to find one that uses naturopathic methods in the USA, but one who knows both, I have never found.The isolated nutrients are hard to figure in the USA. Other countries have far more experience--both with usage as well as preparation and quality control standards. Sales & marketing is not exactly the best way to control these things.DaveOn Apr 9, 2005, at 9:34 PM, lowerbp2@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/9/05 14:20:36, schw9883@... writes:I was taking dostinex for a microadenoma prolactin tumor.I drank a large coke during the day. Can't remember the rest sincethis was about a week ago.I take alot of vitamins and herbs:Vit cMultiple Vitginkgomilk thistleb

complextaurineL carntineFlax seed Oilb12vit esaw palmettoquercitenWhat is in querciten?omega 3 capsulesthank you for your assistance

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" primary aldosteronism, " the unbrella term used nowadays for the

variants of renin-angiotnesin mlfuctions resulting in too much aldo,

too little renin, odd cortisol, salt and potassium imbalances.

Starting to look more and more as an underlying condition, if not cause

of many hypertensions. Reason I ask is this is what this group is

dedicated to, and second, that ascorbic acid, and even more, the

carbonates and mineral ascorbates used to deliver vitamin C are

potential antagonists, of this problem.

Dave

On Apr 10, 2005, at 10:25 AM, ken wrote:

> What is " PA "

> Re: vitamins

>

> Hi, do you have PA or one of its variants? Pls could you summarize? I

> have much experience with people who use vitamins & minerals,

> including my own earlier usage, who have this disease. It is hard to

> find a doctor who has experience w/this affliction, and not quite as

> hard to find one that uses naturopathic methods in the USA, but one

> who knows both, I have never found.

>

> The isolated nutrients are hard to figure in the USA. Other countries

> have far more experience--both with usage as well as preparation and

> quality control standards. Sales & marketing is not exactly the best

> way to control these things.

>

> Dave

>

> On Apr 9, 2005, at 9:34 PM, lowerbp2@... wrote:

>

>

>

> In a message dated 4/9/05 14:20:36, schw9883@... writes:

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Hi Dave,

I took 3000-4000 mg of Vit C, in the form of powder Emerg'ncy brand + garlic and bunch of other good stuff, but did not see any improvement. Have you seen any research on that?

Farah Dave <dave@...> wrote:

"primary aldosteronism," the unbrella term used nowadays for the variants of renin-angiotnesin mlfuctions resulting in too much aldo, too little renin, odd cortisol, salt and potassium imbalances. Starting to look more and more as an underlying condition, if not cause of many hypertensions. Reason I ask is this is what this group is dedicated to, and second, that ascorbic acid, and even more, the carbonates and mineral ascorbates used to deliver vitamin C are potential antagonists, of this problem.DaveOn Apr 10, 2005, at 10:25 AM, ken wrote:> What is "PA"> Re: vitamins>> Hi, do you have PA or one of its variants? Pls could you

summarize? I > have much experience with people who use vitamins & minerals, > including my own earlier usage, who have this disease. It is hard to > find a doctor who has experience w/this affliction, and not quite as > hard to find one that uses naturopathic methods in the USA, but one > who knows both, I have never found.>> The isolated nutrients are hard to figure in the USA. Other countries > have far more experience--both with usage as well as preparation and > quality control standards. Sales & marketing is not exactly the best > way to control these things.>> Dave>> On Apr 9, 2005, at 9:34 PM, lowerbp2@... wrote:>>>> In a message dated 4/9/05 14:20:36, schw9883@... writes:>>

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