Digestive enzymes

[Guest guest]

Tamara

HCL Is very safe. There is scare information out there for all supplements.

They don't want you to help yourself.

Carolyn

Ph Paper is difficult to find but easy way to test yourself, but all your

syptoms indicate a need for HCL & enzymes. Now brand Super Enzymes is nice

formula with both. Or you can find brands and use separately. Apple Cider

Vinegar is a standby, can be taken in a little water and/or added to your food.

Source of pH paper -- Pike Supplies, Inc 207-897-9267 -- pike@...

Kathy

Tamara <tamaratornado@...> wrote:

Yes, be sure to take the test before you start taking a supplement fot

hydrocloric acid, I read that you have to be careful with it.

- T

> It might be you need hydrochloric acid. There is a test you can do

to find out. I don't know if regular doctors do it, but a naturopath

should be able to.

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> Digestive Enzymes

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> I wonder if anyone could recommend a good digestive enzyme for a

Blood Group

> O, after being a vegetarian for a good 13 years of my life, it has

messed up

> my digestive system and I am finding it still difficult even after

4 years

> on the diet to digest meat comfortably. It makes me burp and

sometimes

> gives me gas and sometimes just seems to sit there, particularly

if I have

> it first thing in the morning. I have tried an over the counter

digestive

> aid by Viridian but that has not really helped at all.

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>

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions or advice on how to improve my

digestion or

> have had similar experiences, I would be most grateful if you

could share

> them with me.

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>

> Kind regards

>

> Carolyn

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Kathy,

I have ordered the Now Brand Tablets and will try the Apple Cider Vinegar

until they arrive.

Best wishes and thanks to you all who contributed.

Carolyn

Re: Re: Digestive Enzymes

Tamara

HCL Is very safe. There is scare information out there for all supplements.

They don't want you to help yourself.

Carolyn

Ph Paper is difficult to find but easy way to test yourself, but all your

syptoms indicate a need for HCL & enzymes. Now brand Super Enzymes is nice

formula with both. Or you can find brands and use separately. Apple Cider

Vinegar is a standby, can be taken in a little water and/or added to your

food.

Source of pH paper -- Pike Supplies, Inc 207-897-9267 -- pike@...

Kathy

Tamara <tamaratornado@...> wrote:

Yes, be sure to take the test before you start taking a supplement fot

hydrocloric acid, I read that you have to be careful with it.

- T

> It might be you need hydrochloric acid. There is a test you can do

to find out. I don't know if regular doctors do it, but a naturopath

should be able to.

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> Digestive Enzymes

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>

>

> I wonder if anyone could recommend a good digestive enzyme for a

Blood Group

> O, after being a vegetarian for a good 13 years of my life, it has

messed up

> my digestive system and I am finding it still difficult even after

4 years

> on the diet to digest meat comfortably. It makes me burp and

sometimes

> gives me gas and sometimes just seems to sit there, particularly

if I have

> it first thing in the morning. I have tried an over the counter

digestive

> aid by Viridian but that has not really helped at all.

>

>

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions or advice on how to improve my

digestion or

> have had similar experiences, I would be most grateful if you

could share

> them with me.

>

>

>

> Kind regards

>

> Carolyn

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[Guest guest]

Tamara wrote:

> Hi Carolyn

>

> I was a vegetarian for many years, and when I started eating meat 3

> years ago, I used an herb Dr. D'Adamo recommends in ER4YT - it helps

> you adjust to eating meat - It's an Aryuvedic herb, I think it was

> " gotu gola " ?

Gotu kola or gotu cola, botanical name Centella Asiatica.

It grows in South Africa, is used there as a tonic, to lower blood

pressure, and as a diuretic - but I am no herbalist - I don't know

enough to comment on other uses such as digestive.

Are you sure you are not confusing it with Hawthorn berry?

(Crataegus Oxyacantha)

Hawthorn berry is said to help in digestion of meat.

It is also a heart remedy par excellence - this one I do know quite well.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

kathy matthews wrote:

> Tamara

> HCL Is very safe. There is scare information out there for all supplements.

They don't want you to help yourself.

>

I agree. I used to dilute my own HCl from the concentrated stuff in the

lab where I worked ( " not something to do at home " !!!). Liquid style is

bad for the teeth though - hopefully there are solid supplements that

make more sense so you do not have to take it through a straw :-)

People unused to meat all their life need both HCl and digestive

enzymes, and may I suggest a SLOW introduction of any new protein. If

you upset your gut surfaces and irritate them, you can inadvertently get

undigested protein into the bloodstream and that can trigger allergies.

So just eat a little at a time and increase gradually - your system will

get the message and adapt. Expect your system, to take 2 to 4 weeks to

" learn " a new protein that you want to eat in enough quantity to be a

significant protein source. (All foods have traces of proteins - but

adding meat is a LOT of protein.)

So eat only a teaspoon of it first day - and build up slowly, is my

suggestion. If you are allergic type as I am - when I added in brewer's

yeast protein to my diet after never eating it before - I added 1/4

teaspoon to each meal for a week, then 1/2 teaspoon the next week etc

till I could use 2 tablespoons at a meal.

B vitamin supplements - they are building blocks for digestive enzymes.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Deflect is great for digestion !

Available at ' store

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Digestive Enzymes

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>

> I wonder if anyone could recommend a good digestive enzyme for a Blood

Group

> O, after being a vegetarian for a good 13 years of my life, it has messed

up

> my digestive system and I am finding it still difficult even after 4 years

> on the diet to digest meat comfortably. It makes me burp and sometimes

> gives me gas and sometimes just seems to sit there, particularly if I have

> it first thing in the morning. I have tried an over the counter digestive

> aid by Viridian but that has not really helped at all.

>

>

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions or advice on how to improve my digestion

or

> have had similar experiences, I would be most grateful if you could share

> them with me.

>

>

>

> Kind regards

>

> Carolyn

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[Guest guest]

Sorry.. But one more question how much Apple Cider Vinegar should I be

taking please with the meals?

Thanks

Carolyn

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From: & Carolyn Hart [mailto:twoharts@...]

Sent: 16 September 2004 11:29

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Subject: Digestive Enzymes

Once again thank you for your help, after Irene's note, I see I have been

eating far too much protein way too soon and expecting too much from my

system. I shall try and re-introduce meat again as Irene suggested.

Thanks but I do take Deflect and a load of other stuff too!!!

Best wishes to you all and thanks again.

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

1-2 TB as needed. I would sprinkle some on my food and then take 1 TB in 1/4 c

water after eating if I needed more.

K

& Carolyn Hart <twoharts@...> wrote:

Sorry.. But one more question how much Apple Cider Vinegar should I be

taking please with the meals?

Thanks

Carolyn

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From: & Carolyn Hart [mailto:twoharts@...]

Sent: 16 September 2004 11:29

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Subject: Digestive Enzymes

Once again thank you for your help, after Irene's note, I see I have been

eating far too much protein way too soon and expecting too much from my

system. I shall try and re-introduce meat again as Irene suggested.

Thanks but I do take Deflect and a load of other stuff too!!!

Best wishes to you all and thanks again.

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Yes, you can take Betaine Hydrochloric Acid with pepsin. I don't

know the milligrams, etc. but I think someone else posted more info

on this just now - see Carol's message on HCL.

Bee

>

> Do you recommend these. I don't remember seeing anything about

them?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Del,

The digestive enzymes I've been using also include betaine HCL. I think

it's a good idea to have that included.

Zack

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, deleaton wrote:

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>

> I need my supplements to be gluten, yeast, corn, dairy, soy,

> sweeteners, starch, preservatives and colors. I prefer to not have

> them in capsules or tablets. Prefer powder, if I can get it that

> way. If not in powder then be able to open the capsule and sprinkle

> on my food. I cannot swallow tablets, so they are out.

>

> I found this digestive enzyme and would like anyone to take a look

> at it and tell me if it has all the enzymes a person would need and

> in the right amounts.

> http://www.doctorstrust.com/item/SR0751-1.html

>

> Thanks,

> Del

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Del, I am about to order Wobenzym N, Comes highly recommended and is number

one enzyme in Europe. Just an idea for another to look at.

Blessings, Joe

Re: [ ] digestive enzymes

Hi Del,

The digestive enzymes I've been using also include betaine HCL. I think

it's a good idea to have that included.

Zack

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, deleaton wrote:

>

>

> I need my supplements to be gluten, yeast, corn, dairy, soy,

> sweeteners, starch, preservatives and colors. I prefer to not have

> them in capsules or tablets. Prefer powder, if I can get it that

> way. If not in powder then be able to open the capsule and sprinkle

> on my food. I cannot swallow tablets, so they are out.

>

> I found this digestive enzyme and would like anyone to take a look

> at it and tell me if it has all the enzymes a person would need and

> in the right amounts.

> http://www.doctorstrust.com/item/SR0751-1.html

>

> Thanks,

> Del

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Joe,

Wobenzym N contains sugar and corn and is not recommended for people

with candida.

Bee

> Hi Del, I am about to order Wobenzym N, Comes highly recommended

and is number one enzyme in Europe. Just an idea for another to look

at.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Bee

[ ] Re: digestive enzymes

Dear Joe,

Wobenzym N contains sugar and corn and is not recommended for people

with candida.

Bee

> Hi Del, I am about to order Wobenzym N, Comes highly recommended

and is number one enzyme in Europe. Just an idea for another to look

at.

[Guest guest]

Dear Del,

It looks okay to me, but Natural Factors also contains ox bile and

HCl, which is a precursor to pepsin which is the most important

digestive juice in the stomach. Was Natural Factors not okay for

you - it is powdered in a capsule.

Bee

>

> I need my supplements to be gluten, yeast, corn, dairy, soy,

> sweeteners, starch, preservatives and colors. I prefer to not have

> them in capsules or tablets. Prefer powder, if I can get it that

> way. If not in powder then be able to open the capsule and sprinkle

> on my food. I cannot swallow tablets, so they are out.

>

> I found this digestive enzyme and would like anyone to take a look

> at it and tell me if it has all the enzymes a person would need and

> in the right amounts.

> http://www.doctorstrust.com/item/SR0751-1.html

>

> Thanks,

> Del

[Guest guest]

I understand that you have done such great research, and I want to take this

time to tell you my appreciation for all the hard work you have done. I don't

know if it matters, but I think, you have earned your wings everyday you give so

much of yourself to help not only me, but the thousands that you have touched,

and the thousands more who have not come yet. A giant hug for you Bee.

Now if I could ask you, if I can make a couple of assumptions, you want to

starve out the candida, while building the immune system. Is this correct?

Would you agree with the premise that recently has been mentioned that candida

overgrowth may be of a deficient immune system? (Perhaps caused by poor diet,

and viral, micoplasma, and the million other reasons that our immune systems are

deficient?

Which has me thinking that would there be at some point, as an example, eating

an apple, to get the benefits of the nutrients to feed the immune system, vs

starving the candida and doing out the certain nutrient rich foods?

Just curious to your thought on this.

Thank you so much for being BEE!

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((BEE)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[ ] Re: digestive enzymes

Dear Joe,

Wobenzym N contains sugar and corn and is not recommended for people

with candida.

Bee

> Hi Del, I am about to order Wobenzym N, Comes highly recommended

and is number one enzyme in Europe. Just an idea for another to look

at.

[Guest guest]

Dear Joe,

Thank you for your acknowledgement and hugs for my contributions.

> Now if I could ask you, if I can make a couple of assumptions, you

want to starve out the candida, while building the immune system. Is

this correct?

==>Yes.

> Would you agree with the premise that recently has been mentioned

that candida overgrowth may be of a deficient immune system? (Perhaps

caused by poor diet, and viral, micoplasma, and the million other

reasons that our immune systems are deficient?

==>Yes,

> Which has me thinking that would there be at some point, as an

example, eating an apple, to get the benefits of the nutrients to

feed the immune system, vs starving the candida and doing out the

certain nutrient rich foods?

==>No. The reason is explained in my article. You can get enough

Vit. C from meats and veggies so you don't need an apple nor any

fruit to inhance or support the immune system. Even healthy people

shouldn't eat much fruit - maybe one serving per day is okay if taken

along with good fats, and not alone, to slow release of the fructose

into the blood stream.

The best,

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Holly,

I'm a cancer patient. After 6 years I no longer take the three

parasite herbs every day, but I do continue to take digestive enzymes

every day.

They are great for digestion in general, for eating up dead parasites

as you mention and also for digesting other guck.

Some of the best reputed alternative cancer therapies outside of Dr.

's program (/ and Gerson), use digestive enzymes as

one of their primary therapies...like most others they are entirely

unaware of the parasite link.

I consider taking digestive enzymes to be a must for all but those with

the most robust health...but particularly when killing parasites and

for a long time afterwards.

> In Hulda's book Prevention of All Cancers, Hulda recommeds taking

> digestive enzymes to eat up the dead parasites otherwise you risk

> bacteria from them, clostridium. This is for cancer patients zapping

> 8 hours/day. Do you guys take digestive enzymes is this a must as

> long as you are one the parasite program??? Please Help.

>

> Holly

[Guest guest]

Hi Holly, what type of digestive enzymes do you take,

and where do you get them, and, how are you feeling

now?

--- zaprascal <maryw67686@...> wrote:

> Hi Holly,

>

> I'm a cancer patient. After 6 years I no longer

> take the three

> parasite herbs every day, but I do continue to take

> digestive enzymes

> every day.

>

> They are great for digestion in general, for eating

> up dead parasites

> as you mention and also for digesting other guck.

>

> Some of the best reputed alternative cancer

> therapies outside of Dr.

> 's program (/ and Gerson), use

> digestive enzymes as

> one of their primary therapies...like most others

> they are entirely

> unaware of the parasite link.

>

> I consider taking digestive enzymes to be a must for

> all but those with

> the most robust health...but particularly when

> killing parasites and

> for a long time afterwards.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > In Hulda's book Prevention of All Cancers, Hulda

> recommeds taking

> > digestive enzymes to eat up the dead parasites

> otherwise you risk

> > bacteria from them, clostridium. This is for

> cancer patients zapping

> > 8 hours/day. Do you guys take digestive enzymes

> is this a must as

> > long as you are one the parasite program???

> Please Help.

> >

> > Holly

>

>

>

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I have suggested Culturell (lactobacillus supplemnent) http://www.culturelle.com/index.jsp for one of my pts, He was on a very long dose of antibiotics. I am not sure if it helped but it didnt seem to harm him at all. Have you drawn a thiamin lab? I have heard form several pts that water does not agree with them. I suggested they try adding some thickner to it, should be able to get some from a local pharmacy. Only one has gotten back with me but they said it did help. I have no idea why it would help but it is worth a try. I suggested they make it nectar thick and preferably at room temp or only slightly cool. Hope it helps. Jerryjulielewrd <jlewis@...> wrote: Pt s/p RNY 3 months. N/V almost

every other day since surgery. Past 1-2 weeks N/V qd, emesis 1x day. Clear yellow fluid. Fine when eating, 1-2 hours after eating, will drink water and that triggers emesis. Upper GI ordered. Last upper GI 1 1/2 months ago did not show anything.Has anyone used digesive enymes/probiotics with their patients? Our NP asked my if they would help. Does anyone have experience with these?I appreciate any help on this topic. Thank you! , RD

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I have receommended probiotics such as lactobifilus or acidolphalus -- usually for lower GI disorders, such as diarrhea. Angie , MEd, RD

Nutritionist

SIUH Center for the Surgical Treatment of Obesity

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[Guest guest]

>

> Bee, I am confused about Betaine Hydrocloride and Betaine

Hydrochloric Acid. From doing a search it looks like they are both

the same thing.

==>It appears as if they are the same thing.

> You recommended I take the Betaine Hydrochloric Acid with Pepsin.

Both products I have here have Pepsin. I think you were concerned I

would be taking too much Chloride since I am taking the lemon and

salt drinks every day. Please help me to understand.

==>There would be no chloride in the digestive enzyme even though the

last part of the word hydrochloride is chloride.

> The product I have now says BETA-PEPSIN. It says Betaine

Hydrochloride with Pepsin underneath.Other ingredients:

Microcystaline Cellulose, Vegetable Stearic Acid, Silica, Vegetable

Celluose, Natural Peppermint Powder. Says the hydrochloride is from

beets. Is this ok?

==>Yes, that should be okay.

>

> One other thing. I am taking Cod Liver Oil Jelcaps. 1250 of vit A

for 3. Is this enough? I also take an extra 400 of D.

==>1250 IUs of vitamin A isn't enough - you need at least 20,000 IUs

per day to a maximum of 30,000 IUs per day. Maybe get halibut liver

oil capsules which will contain 10,000 IUs of vitamin A with 400 IUs

of vitamin D per capsule. If you take 2 or 3 capsules you'll get

enough A & D.

Bee

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/6/2006 6:57:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

beeisbuzzing2003@... writes:

==>There would be no chloride in the digestive enzyme even though the

last part of the word hydrochloride is chloride.

Bee, in an email from you dated 12/18 you said and I quote

" Hydrochloride would indicate it contains chloride - you would get plenty in

the ocean sea salt I recommended and taking more wouldn't be good. "

Now I am really confused.

Faith

[Guest guest]

Dear Faith,

I was wrong in that previous post dated 12/18. Sorry.

Bee

> In a message dated 1/6/2006 6:57:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> beeisbuzzing2003@y... writes:

> ==>There would be no chloride in the digestive enzyme even though

the last part of the word hydrochloride is chloride.

> Bee, in an email from you dated 12/18 you said and I quote

> " Hydrochloride would indicate it contains chloride - you would get

plenty in the ocean sea salt I recommended and taking more wouldn't

be good. "

[Guest guest]

Wanita

I'm obviously waaay behind in meails.Took a break around Christmas. Yes I did

have heartburn with the lemon water so I stopped it.

I now have hearburn just when drinking plain(filtered) water.

Thaks for the food ideas will give them a try.

Phil

Re: Digestive Enzymes

>

>

> Phil-

>

> >Could consuming large quantities of lemon water cause the

> >atrophy?Somehow reduce HCL production? I was doing that for a couple

> >of weeks to flush out lyme and metal detox garbage.

<

[Guest guest]

susan_thompson39 wrote:

> ... I was just wondering if digestive

> enzymes worked for any one else. ...

>

I remember discussing this topic years ago. Digestive enzymes are also

known and marketed as " meat tenderizer. " They must be safe enough for

most people to be used, in this way, with food. Enzymes are destroyed

(unfolded) by heat, so that use may not be very relevant. I have a

friend that choked, (not from achalasia), on a piece of apple. He was

rushed to the ER where they dripped " meat tenderizer " onto the apple. It

didn't take long and the apple softened up and he was able to finish

swallowing it. Again, the meat tenderizer was safe enough for this use.

You don't get that kind of treatment every day though, so again it may

not be very relevant. If you look up information on GERD you will find

that it is the acid and digestive enzymes of the stomach that cause

damage to the esophagus. This implies that, at least at some level of

use, frequent exposure of the esophagus to digestive enzymes could be

damaging to the esophagus. If one has acid, from something like

fermenting food, in the esophagus and takes digestive enzymes, it could

be like GERD. Most people who use them for health reason probably don't

have problems, like achalasia, that cause the enzymes to stay in the

esophagus. Some of the " digestive enzymes " people take are herbal. I

don't know if any of them contain enzymes actually found in the stomach

or not. I have not checked. It would not surprise me if some of those

products do not actually contain enzymes but are instead suppose to aid

your body in the production or use of enzymes, or simply help in

digestion " like " an enzyme. Some products will be a mix of herbs and

probably are intended to help digestion in a number of ways.

Anyway, I can't find any information on what level of use these products

would be safe or unsafe with achalasia. If anyone has information about

it relevant to achalasia I would be interested in seeing it.

notan

[Guest guest]

Hi! The reason I started taking digestive enzymes is because I have

slow digestion and felt VERY full after eating a small meal. Dr

Richter originally prescribed Reglan for me. I didn't like the side

effects. He was thinking that if I was having more trouble

swallowing meals in the evening that maybe the food was just piling

up. Really all I did to help myself was eat smaller meals. The

digestive enzyme just helps me to not feel so bloated and gurgly

when I'm trying to go to bed.

Hope that helped in some way.

Dawn in oHIo....mowing and weeding!!! Hope your Easter was Happy!!

>

> Dawn (and anyone else taking digestive enzymes),

>

> What led you to deciding to take digestive enzymes? I'm just

starting

> to get information about digestive enzymes and am curious if there

may

> be a good chance it may help me too. I have have a heller myotomy

and

> then a dilation 2 1/2 years later. My " swallowing " has become

somewhat

> more difficult in the last several months and I wonder if

digestive

> enzymes would have any effect on that condition, possibly

eliminate or

> at least lessen the severity and/or number of occurances. Would

> digestive enzymes possibly help to breakdown any foods that may be

> leading me to any " congestion " problems?

>

> I'd appreciate any information anyone has about the uses and

> effectiveness of digestive enzymes.

>

> Thanks all.

> Beverly

>