Digestive enzymes

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Also contains sucrase

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+++LOL! , you've trimmed your message too well. Please include

the product with all of its ingredients again so I can see them

together.

Bee

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Hi Bee,

The enzyme I am taking can be found here:

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/ViewProductDetails@Product_ID90 (DOT) aspx

Regards,

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> Hi Bee,

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> The enzyme I am taking can be found here:

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> http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/ViewProductDetails@Product_ID@...

+++Hi . You do not require digestive enzymes on this program,

since the most important thing for digestion is having enough stomach

acid (HCl) so the contents of the stomach are acid enough to trigger

the pancreas to work like it should. That's why I recommend Betaine

HCl and/or good unpasteurized sauerkraut with every meal.

That is very important since the pancreas needs to not only produce

many digestive enzymes but it also must product bicarbonate of soda

(baking soda), making the mixture alkaline so the intestines can do

their job. Pancreatic digestive enzymes are only triggered after the

mixture is made alkaline, and they don't belong in the stomach where

HCl can break them down without helping digestion.

The best to you, Bee

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> Hi, i have a question about digestive enzymes. I take " digestive enzyme

complex " from Dr Whitiker. I am following the candida diet, but this digestive

enzyme has a few enzymes derived from fungus in it. Aspergillus niger, and

aspergillus oryzae. I was just wondering if that was ok, or if i should find

another digestive enzyme to take. Please send your answer directly to my email

at azanni182@..., as i cannot check this site from my cell phone while i am at

work lol.

+++Hi . If you have set up your Group Settings so you are receiving either

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No, you should definitely not take those digestive enzymes!! I don't recommend

taking any digestive enzymes, because they are a total waste of money and effort

which don't help digestion in any way. The reason is because stomach acid (HCl)

neutralizes all digestive enzymes normally produced by the pancreas.

Also the pancreas is only triggered to do its job if there is enough stomach

acid (HCl) and fluids in the mixture emptying out of the stomach.

First the pancreas neutralizes HCl, by pouring lots of baking soda on the

mixture, and after that it produces digestive enzymes. That is because

digestive enzymes and other enzymes produced by the small intestines only work

on an alkalized mixture (foods & fluids).

All the best, Bee

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I don't know since I took a special product made for my ND. It had pancreatic and other enzymes.

Steph

Digestive Enzymes

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What do you suggerst for this? Would Enzymatic Therapy Mega-Zyme be okay?

Thanks,

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Hi,

We do zyme-prime and afp from houston labs and no phenol separately in a powder

(cheaper to measure 1/4 tsp at a time). Even on gfcf and soy and corn free,

they help digest all carbs and proteins and fats as well as fruits and veggies.

Makes it easier on the leaky gut and helps it heal sooner.

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From: khieken <khieken@...>

Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 6:03:32 PM

Subject: [ ] Digestive enzymes

I'm considering a trial of either No-fenol or Trienza for my child. I don't

know if she has a phenol intolerance but would like to do a trial to see if

enzymes would help. I know she doesn't digest gluten and casein (via testing),

and we are GFCF, so in theory she wouldn't need the DPP IV, right? Just

wondering what others' experiences have been.

Thanks.

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Thanks.

Is the thought that leaky guts eventually heal and so you wouldn't need

digestive enzymes forever?

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> Hi,

> We do zyme-prime and afp from houston labs and no phenol separately in a

powder (cheaper to measure 1/4 tsp at a time). Even on gfcf and soy and corn

free, they help digest all carbs and proteins and fats as well as fruits and

veggies. Makes it easier on the leaky gut and helps it heal sooner.

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> From: khieken <khieken@...>

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> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 6:03:32 PM

> Subject: [ ] Digestive enzymes

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> I'm considering a trial of either No-fenol or Trienza for my child. I don't

know if she has a phenol intolerance but would like to do a trial to see if

enzymes would help. I know she doesn't digest gluten and casein (via testing),

and we are GFCF, so in theory she wouldn't need the DPP IV, right? Just

wondering what others' experiences have been.

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> Thanks.

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My son used to eat gluten-free. Beside gluten he has (had?)35 food intolerances.

Half a year ago he started using the HNI enzymes: NoFenol, Zycarb and AFP

Peptizyde. Soy still gives him red ears and a itching throat, but beside that he

eats EVERYTHING. And I am so glad for him, 'cause he is 12 years old now and

wants to eat like all his class-fellows.

Just wanted to tell you this, maybe your kid can try to leave the GFCF diet as

well.

Nicoline

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> I'm considering a trial of either No-fenol or Trienza for my child. I don't

know if she has a phenol intolerance but would like to do a trial to see if

enzymes would help. I know she doesn't digest gluten and casein (via testing),

and we are GFCF, so in theory she wouldn't need the DPP IV, right? Just

wondering what others' experiences have been.

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> Thanks.

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Thanks Nicoline. I'm so hopeful that one day we can all eat a semi-normal diet,

and be able to go out for pizza once in a while! Does your son use the enzymes

with every meal, with all food he eats, including snacks?

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> > I'm considering a trial of either No-fenol or Trienza for my child. I don't

know if she has a phenol intolerance but would like to do a trial to see if

enzymes would help. I know she doesn't digest gluten and casein (via testing),

and we are GFCF, so in theory she wouldn't need the DPP IV, right? Just

wondering what others' experiences have been.

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> > Thanks.

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> I'm considering a trial of either No-fenol or Trienza for my child. I don't

know if she has a phenol intolerance but would like to do a trial to see if

enzymes would help. I know she doesn't digest gluten and casein (via testing),

and we are GFCF, so in theory she wouldn't need the DPP IV, right? Just

wondering what others' experiences have been.

My son left gfcf with HNI enzymes, altho there were still a few foods I had to

remove until I corrected other issues he had [like improper fat digestion and

improper carotene conversion].

Dana

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> Thanks.

> Is the thought that leaky guts eventually heal and so you wouldn't need

digestive enzymes forever?

I was able to remove digestive enzymes at round 50 of ALA chelation, plus the

addition of a few supplements [b vitamins were especially helpful].

Dana

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Yes, my son takes enzymes with everything he eats. You have to know that really

many things were a problem for him: onions, tomatoes, garlic, patatoes etc.

Gluten caused tics, he did not digest them well.

I don't know about the tests in the USA, but I did a stooltest here in the

Netherlands, and the gliadine should be below 100. Last test his gliadine was

only 1!!

Like I wrote before, beside soy he tolerates everything with enzymes.

We are (all of us) very restrictive with sugar and junkfood, or artificial

colors/ flavors etc. My son can finally eat like all the other in our family, no

special diet anymore..

I really hope for you it'll work out the same for your kid.

Nicoline

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> > > I'm considering a trial of either No-fenol or Trienza for my child. I

don't know if she has a phenol intolerance but would like to do a trial to see

if enzymes would help. I know she doesn't digest gluten and casein (via

testing), and we are GFCF, so in theory she wouldn't need the DPP IV, right?

Just wondering what others' experiences have been.

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My son wasn't real food sensitive (except for his peanut allergy), but had

issues with not digesting things completely (food pieces in his stool),

bacteria, and yeast. We added Houston's Zyme Prime and AFP Peptizyde @ 2 years

ago. I did see immediate improvements in his stool at the time. We were also

doing other things to treat bacteria and yeast and those improved stuff as well.

Anyway, we started chelating almost 1 year ago and have cut his enzyme use in

1/2 with no problems. I will probably use up our current supply and then stop

them to see if we can. This summer we went on a 4 day camping trip and left the

enzymes at home. No problems at all.

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> Is the thought that leaky guts eventually heal and so you wouldn't need

digestive enzymes forever?

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Thanks to all of you for the replies. I think I will try a digestive enzyme

(I'm thinking Trienza since it seems more broad-spectrum, unless there's a

reason I shouldn't do this) and see if it makes a difference for us.

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> I'm considering a trial of either No-fenol or Trienza for my child. I don't

know if she has a phenol intolerance but would like to do a trial to see if

enzymes would help. I know she doesn't digest gluten and casein (via testing),

and we are GFCF, so in theory she wouldn't need the DPP IV, right? Just

wondering what others' experiences have been.

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> Thanks.

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We have been on them for over 2 years. They are so essential at my house, that we could not do recovery without them. If they were not able to be used, then something else would have had to be used. There are fermented foods, cabbages, coconut kefir, and lots of different probiotic formulas one could use for digestion if they choose not to use the enzymes. Many herbs used in the autism arena also assist in digestion. My ulcer was eliminated with cinnamon. It kills the heliobactor pylori that causes ulcers. We have taken digestive enzymes on empty stomachs, full stomachs, etc., but we only take them twice a day. I would take them more often, but don't want to buy them by the truck-loads since I have a large family. I would not want to do recovery without them. But, recovery protocols need to fit together. Maybe the digestive enzymes reacted with a medicine or something. I have heard on rare occasions that people are allergic to one of the ingredients in the digestive formulas and get an adverse reaction. I feel that if one can not tolerate digestive enzymes, then other methods for digestion should be added. Good digestion is so essential.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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I DO remember her telling me the same thing now, and I was giving them to Ben in the evening when he'd have a snack after dinner. Dr. Redel's pretty cool, isn't she? What did you think of her?

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digestive enzymes>>>>>>> My son has been Off and On on them throughout the years. We have used>>> several brands including Kirkman, Houston's,...and others. We really >>> did>>> not notice any changes.>>>>>> I am considering putting my son on them again but remembered being told>>> by>>> Ped. GI that they can cause harm as they would eat up the lining of the>>> stomach if not needed.>>>>>> Has any one heard of that?>>>>>> Thanks,>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------>>>>>> Texas Autism Advocacy>>> www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org>>>>>> Texas Disability Network>>> Calendar of Events>>> www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org

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I loved her -- I don't think she shared anything new with us, but what I LOVED about her was that SHE DIDN'T SLAM THE DOOR IN MY FACE AND MAKE ME FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT. She listened to what we did at Thoughtful House, and actually communicated with Dr. Krigsman about doing the Pill Cam and trying a different approach. She didn't act like a god who knew all the answers and was willing to consult. That is what is priceless to me.

She did though, give me that insight on the digestive enzymes and ulcers and to NOT give them at night because it sits there on the lining and eats at it.

M. Guppy

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To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:51:00 PMSubject: Re: digestive enzymes

I DO remember her telling me the same thing now, and I was giving them to Ben in the evening when he'd have a snack after dinner. Dr. Redel's pretty cool, isn't she? What did you think of her?

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[Texas-Autism- Advocacy] digestive enzymes>>>>>>> My son has been Off and On on them throughout the years. We have used>>> several brands including Kirkman, Houston's,.. .and others. We really >>> did>>> not notice any changes.>>>>>> I am considering putting my son on them again but remembered being told>>> by>>> Ped. GI that they can cause harm as they would eat up the lining of the>>> stomach if not

needed.>>>>>> Has any one heard of that?>>>>>> Thanks,>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>>>>>> Texas Autism Advocacy>>> www.TexasAutismAdvo cacy.org>>>>>> Texas Disability Network>>> Calendar of Events>>> www.TexasAutismAdvo cacy.org

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We started when was about 25 months old - I can't remember exactly when.  He certainly didn't develop any kind of dependency on them, I don't think there is any research to support that type of thing.  Supplementing the body with enzymes doesn't reduce the enzymes produced by the body.  Enzymes are benign and only benefit the body by breaking down the foods into more absorbable and bioavailable structure.  I think the main problems are usually an allergic reaction to the enzymes themselves and/or loose stools and withdrawal effects as the body detoxes out the sludge.

 

I used to work for a biotech company that produced enzymes for bio-remediation - they made enzymes that digested (or broke down) petrochemicals like oil (for crude oil spills, etc).  The enzymes even for that type of heavy duty products were totally begnign and could be stirred into a glass of water and be consumed with no ill effects!

 

 

 

 

2009/10/23 liz.durrell <liz.durrell@...>

 

Me again!!So many of you seem to have had great results with enzymes, so I'm keen to start using them on the baby. My concern is, if I start digestive enzymes at such a young age, wont this stop the body from producing its own digestive enzymes?? meaning that he'll have to take them forever?

Has anyone used digestive enzymes on a baby/toddler and then been successfully able to stop giving the enzymes without any dependance having developed??The other thing I wondered is how exactly are the enzymes supposed to help 'heal' the gut..

Lizx

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I've been trying them for a couple of days now (before I give them to the baby),

with no ill effects or much difference noted as yet.

Have tried to get hubby to try (he has a far more sensitive stomach than me -

way more akin to a babys!!), but he completely refused, saying they use them to

fatten chickens (personally I would have thought grain would be cheaper), but

his argument hasnt deterred me!

Lizx

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> We started when was about 25 months old - I can't remember exactly

> when. He certainly didn't develop any kind of dependency on them, I don't

> think there is any research to support that type of thing. Supplementing

> the body with enzymes doesn't reduce the enzymes produced by the body.

> Enzymes are benign and only benefit the body by breaking down the foods into

> more absorbable and bioavailable structure. I think the main problems are

> usually an allergic reaction to the enzymes themselves and/or loose stools

> and withdrawal effects as the body detoxes out the sludge.

>

> I used to work for a biotech company that produced enzymes for

> bio-remediation - they made enzymes that digested (or broke down)

> petrochemicals like oil (for crude oil spills, etc). The enzymes even for

> that type of heavy duty products were totally begnign and could be stirred

> into a glass of water and be consumed with no ill effects!

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> 2009/10/23 liz.durrell <liz.durrell@...>

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> > Me again!!

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> > So many of you seem to have had great results with enzymes, so I'm keen to

> > start using them on the baby. My concern is, if I start digestive enzymes at

> > such a young age, wont this stop the body from producing its own digestive

> > enzymes?? meaning that he'll have to take them forever?

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> > Has anyone used digestive enzymes on a baby/toddler and then been

> > successfully able to stop giving the enzymes without any dependance having

> > developed??

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> > The other thing I wondered is how exactly are the enzymes supposed to help

> > 'heal' the gut..

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> > Lizx

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In a message dated 23/10/2009 15:48:22 GMT Standard Time, liz.durrell@... writes:

So many of you seem to have had great results with enzymes, so I'm keen to start using them on the baby. My concern is, if I start digestive enzymes at such a young age, wont this stop the body from producing its own digestive enzymes?? meaning that he'll have to take them forever?

>>There is no dependance with plant based enzymes. My son doesn;t need them anymore, but he still gets them because I think its best for his health, he hardly consumes any meaningfully nutritious food, what little he does I want to make sure we make the best of

Mandi x

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Hi Mandi,

I've been arguing with hubby about this one - I'm for, hes against, but I have

to admit, he has a good argument!. His argument is giving the enzymes to a baby

whose digestive tract/pancreas etc is still evolving, might cause his pancreas

to never make the enzymes it was intended to once we stop the enzymes... I

looked for trials (human), on the enzymes, but couldnt find any, (let alone

anything on their usage in babies). From a manufacturers point of view its a

dream come true to sell a product for a baby, and then have that baby dependant

for life. Just a thought (hubbys words are ringing in my ears...).

Is there some study somewhere I can show to hubby to prove theres no dependency

with plant based enzymes??

I told him we need to addthe enzymes to :

increase uptake of nutrients,

heal the gut (though I'm not sure how enzymes do this??) &

make less food available for the yeast - is that how it works???

Thanks again for your advice

LizX

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> In a message dated 23/10/2009 15:48:22 GMT Standard Time,

> liz.durrell@... writes:

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> So many of you seem to have had great results with enzymes, so I'm keen to

> start using them on the baby. My concern is, if I start digestive enzymes

> at such a young age, wont this stop the body from producing its own

> digestive enzymes?? meaning that he'll have to take them forever?

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>

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> >>There is no dependance with plant based enzymes. My son doesn;t need

> them anymore, but he still gets them because I think its best for his health,

> he hardly consumes any meaningfully nutritious food, what little he does I

> want to make sure we make the best of

>

> Mandi x

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Hi I spoke to Dr Devin Houston at the autism conference on the earliest age that he thinks a baby may be given enzymes. His suggestion was not before breast feeding has stopped. There is some good information on his website which is www.houstonni.com and you can can easily send him a question in the section "ask dr Houston". His wife says being a passionate biochemist he is answering questions day and night! I found him very easy to talk to and very informative on the topic of enzymes. What he suggested in his talk and chating to him afterwards was then supported by other drs at the conference.Hope this helps.Kate On 26 Oct 2009, at 01:04, liz.durrell wrote:Hi Mandi, I've been arguing with hubby about this one - I'm for, hes against, but I have to admit, he has a good argument!. His argument is giving the enzymes to a baby whose digestive tract/pancreas etc is still evolving, might cause his pancreas to never make the enzymes it was intended to once we stop the enzymes... I looked for trials (human), on the enzymes, but couldnt find any, (let alone anything on their usage in babies). From a manufacturers point of view its a dream come true to sell a product for a baby, and then have that baby dependant for life. Just a thought (hubbys words are ringing in my ears...). Is there some study somewhere I can show to hubby to prove theres no dependency with plant based enzymes??I told him we need to addthe enzymes to :increase uptake of nutrients,heal the gut (though I'm not sure how enzymes do this??) & make less food available for the yeast - is that how it works???Thanks again for your adviceLizX>> > In a message dated 23/10/2009 15:48:22 GMT Standard Time, > liz.durrell@... writes:> > So many of you seem to have had great results with enzymes, so I'm keen to > start using them on the baby. My concern is, if I start digestive enzymes > at such a young age, wont this stop the body from producing its own > digestive enzymes?? meaning that he'll have to take them forever?> > > > >>There is no dependance with plant based enzymes. My son doesn;t need > them anymore, but he still gets them because I think its best for his health, > he hardly consumes any meaningfully nutritious food, what little he does I > want to make sure we make the best of> > Mandi x>

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Hi Kate,

Well, thats the enzymes out the window (until the baby gives in and agrees to

drink something other than breastmilk that is!!). Was there any particular

reason he advised waiting till breastfeeding had stopped??

Course, I guess if the mom takes anti yeast digestive enzymes, then the baby

might get some of the benefit? I'll have to ask Devin.

Lizx

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> > > In a message dated 23/10/2009 15:48:22 GMT Standard Time,

> > > liz.durrell@ writes:

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> > > So many of you seem to have had great results with enzymes, so I'm

> > keen to

> > > start using them on the baby. My concern is, if I start digestive

> > enzymes

> > > at such a young age, wont this stop the body from producing its own

> > > digestive enzymes?? meaning that he'll have to take them forever?

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> > > >>There is no dependance with plant based enzymes. My son doesn;t

> > need

> > > them anymore, but he still gets them because I think its best for

> > his health,

> > > he hardly consumes any meaningfully nutritious food, what little

> > he does I

> > > want to make sure we make the best of

> > >

> > > Mandi x

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i used to take Udo's digestive enzymes.

Carla