Guest guest Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Hi, I looked the symptoms of lyme disease, raynaud was among them. My more than 10 year raynaud discomfort is getting worse. I have done MMS #1 for more than 8 months, Dr. Loyd's portocols for many months, Lately I started coiling from 5 seconds on up to 30 seconds. I did once a week 432 killing lyme and 832 daily killing bart. I have more intense pain over my legs lately. I have no relief of raynaud suffering. wish I know what bacteria causing raynaud so I can use coil to treat. Does anyone has this painful illness. Was told someone got well from antibiotics. I am not into antibiotics route. hope I can find some alternative ways to get relief this terrible symptom. any help will be much appreciated. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Helen I ma very sorry to hear you are in pain , What is Raynaud abotu I am sorry I do nto know it . Most of us uses DMSo for pain . I uses colemas or liver cleanse the two days diet and it ideasepears Sorry not knowing abotu your symptoms better Kindly marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:56 PMSubject: raynaud disease Hi, I looked the symptoms of lyme disease, raynaud was among them. My more than 10 year raynaud discomfort is getting worse. I have done MMS #1 for more than 8 months, Dr. Loyd's portocols for many months, Lately I started coiling from 5 seconds on up to 30 seconds. I did once a week 432 killing lyme and 832 daily killing bart. I have more intense pain over my legs lately. I have no relief of raynaud suffering. wish I know what bacteria causing raynaud so I can use coil to treat. Does anyone has this painful illness. Was told someone got well from antibiotics. I am not into antibiotics route. hope I can find some alternative ways to get relief this terrible symptom. any help will be much appreciated. Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Marie, While i met slightly colder weather, my color of foot/hand turns totally dead white. blood circulation was cut off instantly that I felt like walking with thick cotton under my foot. I have wide spread soreness lyme arthritis and muscle stiffness and pain. I am still keeping coiling and hope someday i can have some kind of symptoms relief. Remember long time ago I saw through you tube a young woman also showing her white fingure due to lyme. So I am sure raynaud is lyme related. May be some herbs or chinese medicine can help me? For now I am still in the wood looking for miracle tree. Helen > > Helen I ma very sorry to hear you are in pain , > What is Raynaud abotu I am sorry I do nto know it . > Most of us uses DMSo for pain . I uses colemas or liver cleanse the two days diet and it ideasepears > Sorry not knowing abotu your symptoms better > Kindly marie > > > ________________________________ > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:56 PM > Subject: raynaud disease > > > Â > Hi, I looked the symptoms of lyme disease, raynaud was among them. My more than 10 year raynaud discomfort is getting worse. I have done MMS #1 for more than 8 months, Dr. Loyd's portocols for many months, Lately I started coiling from 5 seconds on up to 30 seconds. I did once a week 432 killing lyme and 832 daily killing bart. I have more intense pain over my legs lately. I have no relief of raynaud suffering. wish I know what bacteria causing raynaud so I can use coil to treat. Does anyone has this painful illness. Was told someone got well from antibiotics. I am not into antibiotics route. hope I can find some alternative ways to get relief this terrible symptom. any help will be much appreciated. Helen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Did you try the bee venon ointment venex it melt the biofilm in contact . I do not know wha tis happenneing for you but if it would befo rme I would give a try to this ointment as we know Lyme makes biofilm and biofilm obture the slow moving vessels partially impairing the circulation . I trye dit myself for my neck veine and theone of my husband and it does an diffrence the day after with our thinking .This providing you are not allergic to bee pollen Kindly marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:22 PMSubject: Re: raynaud disease Marie,While i met slightly colder weather, my color of foot/hand turns totally dead white. blood circulation was cut off instantly that I felt like walking with thick cotton under my foot. I have wide spread soreness lyme arthritis and muscle stiffness and pain. I am still keeping coiling and hope someday i can have some kind of symptoms relief. Remember long time ago I saw through you tube a young woman also showing her white fingure due to lyme. So I am sure raynaud is lyme related. May be some herbs or chinese medicine can help me? For now I am still in the wood looking for miracle tree. Helen >> Helen I ma very sorry to hear you are in pain ,> What is Raynaud abotu I am sorry I do nto know it ..> Most of us uses DMSo for pain . I uses colemas or liver cleanse the two days diet and it ideasepears > Sorry not knowing abotu your symptoms better > Kindly marie > > > ________________________________> > To: mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:56 PM> Subject: raynaud disease> > > Â > Hi, I looked the symptoms of lyme disease, raynaud was among them. My more than 10 year raynaud discomfort is getting worse. I have done MMS #1 for more than 8 months, Dr. Loyd's portocols for many months, Lately I started coiling from 5 seconds on up to 30 seconds. I did once a week 432 killing lyme and 832 daily killing bart. I have more intense pain over my legs lately. I have no relief of raynaud suffering. wish I know what bacteria causing raynaud so I can use coil to treat. Does anyone has this painful illness. Was told someone got well from antibiotics. I am not into antibiotics route. hope I can find some alternative ways to get relief this terrible symptom. any help will be much appreciated. Helen> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 I look for the link and post it here soon did you try also MMS+DMSO on the skin every hour 4dasy a week 10 drops of activated mms plus 10 drops of dmaso as soon as activated and pu tin on your skin changing of area each time as it is a little bit irratating over time . KIndly Mari e To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:26 PMSubject: Re: raynaud disease I would like to give it a try. I have tons of biofilms in my body also tons of painful knots under my skin and growing. Don't know what is it. Anyway, my body is a mass. not sure what I have other than lyme. Was thinking doing master cleanse. I just couldn't carry on the fasting and working at the same time. Can you direct me the source to get bee venon ointment venex? Helen > >> > Helen I ma very sorry to hear you are in pain ,> > What is Raynaud abotu I am sorry I do nto know it .> > Most of us uses DMSo for pain . I uses colemas or liver cleanse the two days diet and it ideasepears > > Sorry not knowing abotu your symptoms better > > Kindly marie > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: dingyung49 <dingyung49@>> > To: mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:56 PM> > Subject: raynaud disease> > > > > > ?? > > Hi, I looked the symptoms of lyme disease, raynaud was among them. My more than 10 year raynaud discomfort is getting worse. I have done MMS #1 for more than 8 months, Dr. Loyd's portocols for many months, Lately I started coiling from 5 seconds on up to 30 seconds. I did once a week 432 killing lyme and 832 daily killing bart. I have more intense pain over my legs lately. I have no relief of raynaud suffering. wish I know what bacteria causing raynaud so I can use coil to treat. Does anyone has this painful illness. Was told someone got well from antibiotics. I am not into antibiotics route. hope I can find some alternative ways to get relief this terrible symptom. any help will be much appreciated. Helen> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 no you cannot use it if you are allergic to bees however NAET treatmetn is able to remove allergy supposibly in 25 hours . I am doing so now for others allergy . Yes it gets warm but no blist no swelling but redness for a while and itis needed to respect the dosage for abvious reason it is venon . To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:37 PMSubject: Re: Re: raynaud disease Hi Marie,Does the been venom ointment sting when you use it on your skin? Do you end up with a rash or swelling, like with a regular bee sting? Can you use it if you are allergic to bees?thanks!Suzy Did you try the bee venon ointment venex it melt the biofilm in contact . I do not know wha tis happenneing for you but if it would befo rme I would give a try to this ointment as we know Lyme makes biofilm and biofilm obture the slow moving vessels partially impairing the circulation . I trye dit myself for my neck veine and theone of my husband and it does an diffrence the day after with our thinking .This providing you are not allergic to bee pollen Kindly marie From: dingyung49 mailto:dingyung49@...To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:22 PMSubject: Re: raynaud disease Marie,While i met slightly colder weather, my color of foot/hand turns totally dead white. blood circulation was cut off instantly that I felt like walking with thick cotton under my foot. I have wide spread soreness lyme arthritis and muscle stiffness and pain. I am still keeping coiling and hope someday i can have some kind of symptoms relief. Remember long time ago I saw through you tube a young woman also showing her white fingure due to lyme. So I am sure raynaud is lyme related. May be some herbs or chinese medicine can help me? For now I am still in the wood looking for miracle tree. Helen >> Helen I ma very sorry to hear you are in pain ,> What is Raynaud abotu I am sorry I do nto know it .> Most of us uses DMSo for pain . I uses colemas or liver cleanse the two days diet and it ideasepears > Sorry not knowing abotu your symptoms better > Kindly marie > > > ________________________________> To: mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:56 PM> Subject: raynaud disease> > > Â > Hi, I looked the symptoms of lyme disease, raynaud was among them. My more than 10 year raynaud discomfort is getting worse. I have done MMS #1 for more than 8 months, Dr. Loyd's portocols for many months, Lately I started coiling from 5 seconds on up to 30 seconds. I did once a week 432 killing lyme and 832 daily killing bart. I have more intense pain over my legs lately. I have no relief of raynaud suffering. wish I know what bacteria causing raynaud so I can use coil to treat. Does anyone has this painful illness. Was told someone got well from antibiotics. I am not into antibiotics route. hope I can find some alternative ways to get relief this terrible symptom. any help will be much appreciated. Helen> No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5127 - Release Date: 07/12/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Interesting Marie! I'll have to try doing some laser allergy treatments for bee stings. I wonder if I can simply write down bee allergies on a piece of paper and hold that while treating myself with the laser? love, Suzy On 7/13/2012 7:21 AM, Marie Benoit wrote:  no you cannot use it if you are allergic to bees however NAET treatmetn is able to remove allergy supposibly in 25 hours . I am doing so now for others allergy . Yes it gets warm but no blist no swelling but redness for a while and itis needed to respect the dosage for abvious reason it is venon . From: suzy To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Re: raynaud disease  Hi Marie, Does the been venom ointment sting when you use it on your skin? Do you end up with a rash or swelling, like with a regular bee sting? Can you use it if you are allergic to bees? thanks! Suzy On 7/12/2012 2:22 PM, Marie Benoit wrote:  Did you try the bee venon ointment venex it melt the biofilm in contact . I do not know wha tis happenneing for you but if it would befo rme I would give a try to this ointment as we know Lyme makes biofilm and biofilm obture the slow moving vessels partially impairing the circulation .. I trye dit myself for my neck veine and theone of my husband and it does an diffrence the day after with our thinking .This providing you are not allergic to bee pollen Kindly marie From: dingyung49 mailto:dingyung49@... To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: Re: raynaud disease  Marie, While i met slightly colder weather, my color of foot/hand turns totally dead white. blood circulation was cut off instantly that I felt like walking with thick cotton under my foot. I have wide spread soreness lyme arthritis and muscle stiffness and pain. I am still keeping coiling and hope someday i can have some kind of symptoms relief. Remember long time ago I saw through you tube a young woman also showing her white fingure due to lyme. So I am sure raynaud is lyme related. May be some herbs or chinese medicine can help me? For now I am still in the wood looking for miracle tree. Helen > > Helen I ma very sorry to hear you are in pain , > What is Raynaud abotu I am sorry I do nto know it . > Most of us uses DMSo for pain . I uses colemas or liver cleanse the two days diet and it ideasepears > Sorry not knowing abotu your symptoms better > Kindly marie > > > ________________________________ > From: dingyung49 mailto:dingyung49@... > To: mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:56 PM > Subject: raynaud disease > > >  > Hi, I looked the symptoms of lyme disease, raynaud was among them. My more than 10 year raynaud discomfort is getting worse. I have done MMS #1 for more than 8 months, Dr. Loyd's portocols for many months, Lately I started coiling from 5 seconds on up to 30 seconds. I did once a week 432 killing lyme and 832 daily killing bart. I have more intense pain over my legs lately. I have no relief of raynaud suffering. wish I know what bacteria causing raynaud so I can use coil to treat. Does anyone has this painful illness. Was told someone got well from antibiotics. I am not into antibiotics route. hope I can find some alternative ways to get relief this terrible symptom. any help will be much appreciated. Helen > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5127 - Release Date: 07/12/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5128 - Release Date: 07/12/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 HI Suzy , I do not know about lazer allergy treatment I would think that energy treatment are enought unverifying tha tI would reather tak ea sampl of bee veneon in t bottle they might have this if they treat or get it .I am doing the NEAT I tis a real shore and I see no speicl aimorvement from it I do it anyway as she told me I was llaergic toevery food assuming that it may work inside deeplu with no results to began with an dbecause a treatment I do it thoroughly alway sto give it a cance ot work bu ti think it is expensive and frustrating. I would check to make su reit di dwotk after the treatment before trying personnally . Kindly marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:04 PMSubject: Re: Re: raynaud disease Interesting Marie!I'll have to try doing some laser allergy treatments for bee stings.I wonder if I can simply write down bee allergies on a piece of paperand hold that while treating myself with the laser? love,Suzy no you cannot use it if you are allergic to bees however NAET treatmetn is able to remove allergy supposibly in 25 hours . I am doing so now for others allergy . Yes it gets warm but no blist no swelling but redness for a while and itis needed to respect the dosage for abvious reason it is venon . From: suzy mailto:starlark@...To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:37 PMSubject: Re: Re: raynaud disease Hi Marie,Does the been venom ointment sting when you use it on your skin? Do you end up with a rash or swelling, like with a regular bee sting? Can you use it if you are allergic to bees?thanks!Suzy Did you try the bee venon ointment venex it melt the biofilm in contact . I do not know wha tis happenneing for you but if it would befo rme I would give a try to this ointment as we know Lyme makes biofilm and biofilm obture the slow moving vessels partially impairing the circulation . I trye dit myself for my neck veine and theone of my husband and it does an diffrence the day after with our thinking .This providing you are not allergic to bee pollen Kindly marie From: dingyung49 mailto:dingyung49@...To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:22 PMSubject: Re: raynaud disease Marie,While i met slightly colder weather, my color of foot/hand turns totally dead white. blood circulation was cut off instantly that I felt like walking with thick cotton under my foot. I have wide spread soreness lyme arthritis and muscle stiffness and pain. I am still keeping coiling and hope someday i can have some kind of symptoms relief. Remember long time ago I saw through you tube a young woman also showing her white fingure due to lyme. So I am sure raynaud is lyme related. May be some herbs or chinese medicine can help me? For now I am still in the wood looking for miracle tree. Helen >> Helen I ma very sorry to hear you are in pain ,> What is Raynaud abotu I am sorry I do nto know it .> Most of us uses DMSo for pain . I uses colemas or liver cleanse the two days diet and it ideasepears > Sorry not knowing abotu your symptoms better > Kindly marie > > > ________________________________> To: mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:56 PM> Subject: raynaud disease> > > Â > Hi, I looked the symptoms of lyme disease, raynaud was among them. My more than 10 year raynaud discomfort is getting worse. I have done MMS #1 for more than 8 months, Dr. Loyd's portocols for many months, Lately I started coiling from 5 seconds on up to 30 seconds. I did once a week 432 killing lyme and 832 daily killing bart. I have more intense pain over my legs lately. I have no relief of raynaud suffering. wish I know what bacteria causing raynaud so I can use coil to treat. Does anyone has this painful illness. Was told someone got well from antibiotics. I am not into antibiotics route. hope I can find some alternative ways to get relief this terrible symptom. any help will be much appreciated. Helen> No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5127 - Release Date: 07/12/12 No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5128 - Release Date: 07/12/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Hi Suzy, I would do some laser allergy treatments on bee venom, but be careful to wrap your vial in a small piece of fabric before coming in contact with it as if you get anaphalaxis from it you will set it off holding the vial. What a NAET practitioner will do with anything that causes Anaphalaxis is they will either use a surrogate ( another individual to hold the vial while they keep in contact with your body) or they will wrap the substance in several layers of fabric and when the body's reaction tends to wain, they will unwrap the vial until it is eventually safe to hold it. I do think if you work very hard with the laser and move the substance from the crown chakra and then down your spine and continue to laser your ears, hands and feet, you can get rid of the allergy, but if you are planning to use the Klinghardt protocol of Bee Venom injections, I would agree with Marie and go to a NAET practitioner for this one substance just to make sure you have someone that knows how to test you to make sure you are clear. I would then have your doctor do an allergy blood test on bee venom before starting treatment. > >>> > >>> Helen I ma very sorry to hear you are in pain , > >>> What is Raynaud abotu I am sorry I do nto know it . > >>> Most of us uses DMSo for pain . I uses colemas or liver cleanse the two days diet and it ideasepears > >>> Sorry not knowing abotu your symptoms better > >>> Kindly marie > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: dingyung49 mailto:dingyung49@ > >>> To: mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:56 PM > >>> Subject: raynaud disease > >>> > >>> > >>>  > >>> Hi, I looked the symptoms of lyme disease, raynaud was among them. My more than 10 year raynaud discomfort is getting worse. I have done MMS #1 for more than 8 months, Dr. Loyd's portocols for many months, Lately I started coiling from 5 seconds on up to 30 seconds. I did once a week 432 killing lyme and 832 daily killing bart. I have more intense pain over my legs lately. I have no relief of raynaud suffering. wish I know what bacteria causing raynaud so I can use coil to treat. Does anyone has this painful illness. Was told someone got well from antibiotics. I am not into antibiotics route. hope I can find some alternative ways to get relief this terrible symptom. any help will be much appreciated. Helen > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>No virus found in this message. > >>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > >>Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5127 - Release Date: 07/12/12 > > > > > > > > > >No virus found in this message. > >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > >Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5128 - Release Date: 07/12/12 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 HI Suzan , You who are so knowledgeable with NAET treatment . Do you see sometime people doing the treatement and getting no benefit even thought they were allergic to began with please ? I would appreciate your professionnal insight . My next treatemtn will be the vit A and no imporvement is visible yet . Di dyou see thisin the past on some patients please ? THank you very much for sharing , Kindly Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 3:31 PMSubject: Re: raynaud disease Hi Suzy,I would do some laser allergy treatments on bee venom, but be careful to wrap your vial in a small piece of fabric before coming in contact with it as if you get anaphalaxis from it you will set it off holding the vial. What a NAET practitioner will do with anything that causes Anaphalaxis is they will either use a surrogate ( another individual to hold the vial while they keep in contact with your body) or they will wrap the substance in several layers of fabric and when the body's reaction tends to wain, they will unwrap the vial until it is eventually safe to hold it. I do think if you work very hard with the laser and move the substance from the crown chakra and then down your spine and continue to laser your ears, hands and feet, you can get rid of the allergy, but if you are planning to use the Klinghardt protocol of Bee Venom injections, I would agree with Marie and go to a NAET practitioner for this one substance just to make sure you have someone that knows how to test you to make sure you are clear. I would then have your doctor do an allergy blood test on bee venom before starting treatment.> >>>> >>> Helen I ma very sorry to hear you are in pain ,> >>> What is Raynaud abotu I am sorry I do nto know it .> >>> Most of us uses DMSo for pain . I uses colemas or liver cleanse the two days diet and it ideasepears > >>> Sorry not knowing abotu your symptoms better > >>> Kindly marie > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________> >>> From: dingyung49 mailto:dingyung49@> >>> To: mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:56 PM> >>> Subject: raynaud disease> >>> > >>> > >>>  > >>> Hi, I looked the symptoms of lyme disease, raynaud was among them. My more than 10 year raynaud discomfort is getting worse. I have done MMS #1 for more than 8 months, Dr. Loyd's portocols for many months, Lately I started coiling from 5 seconds on up to 30 seconds. I did once a week 432 killing lyme and 832 daily killing bart. I have more intense pain over my legs lately. I have no relief of raynaud suffering. wish I know what bacteria causing raynaud so I can use coil to treat. Does anyone has this painful illness. Was told someone got well from antibiotics. I am not into antibiotics route. hope I can find some alternative ways to get relief this terrible symptom. any help will be much appreciated. Helen> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>No virus found in this message.> >>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/> >>Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5127 - Release Date: 07/12/12> >> >> >> >> >No virus found in this message.> >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/> >Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5128 - Release Date: 07/12/12> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Thanks , You're an amazing wealth of new information! I would LOVE to get over my bee allergy, and Marie's bee venom cream also sounds interesting to try, that is, if I wasn't in danger of breaking out in hives all over. I'll look into getting a vial of the bee venom, or perhaps I could simply put a dead bee into a little jar and work with that? I'm on the low budget, do it yrself life style;")) LOL! warmly, Suzy Hi Suzy, I would do some laser allergy treatments on bee venom, but be careful to wrap your vial in a small piece of fabric before coming in contact with it as if you get anaphalaxis from it you will set it off holding the vial. What a NAET practitioner will do with anything that causes Anaphalaxis is they will either use a surrogate ( another individual to hold the vial while they keep in contact with your body) or they will wrap the substance in several layers of fabric and when the body's reaction tends to wain, they will unwrap the vial until it is eventually safe to hold it. I do think if you work very hard with the laser and move the substance from the crown chakra and then down your spine and continue to laser your ears, hands and feet, you can get rid of the allergy, but if you are planning to use the Klinghardt protocol of Bee Venom injections, I would agree with Marie and go to a NAET practitioner for this one substance just to make sure you have someone that knows how to test you to make sure you are clear. I would then have your doctor do an allergy blood test on bee venom before starting treatment. > >>> > >>> Helen I ma very sorry to hear you are in pain , > >>> What is Raynaud abotu I am sorry I do nto know it . > >>> Most of us uses DMSo for pain . I uses colemas or liver cleanse the two days diet and it ideasepears > >>> Sorry not knowing abotu your symptoms better > >>> Kindly marie > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: dingyung49 mailto:dingyung49@ > >>> To: mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:56 PM > >>> Subject: raynaud disease > >>> > >>> > >>>  > >>> Hi, I looked the symptoms of lyme disease, raynaud was among them. My more than 10 year raynaud discomfort is getting worse. I have done MMS #1 for more than 8 months, Dr. Loyd's portocols for many months, Lately I started coiling from 5 seconds on up to 30 seconds. I did once a week 432 killing lyme and 832 daily killing bart. I have more intense pain over my legs lately. I have no relief of raynaud suffering. wish I know what bacteria causing raynaud so I can use coil to treat. Does anyone has this painful illness. Was told someone got well from antibiotics. I am not into antibiotics route. hope I can find some alternative ways to get relief this terrible symptom. any help will be much appreciated. Helen > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>No virus found in this message. > >>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > >>Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5127 - Release Date: 07/12/12 > > > > > > > > > >No virus found in this message. > >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > >Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5128 - Release Date: 07/12/12 > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5131 - Release Date: 07/14/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Just make sure it's a worker bee. The drones (larger) don't possess stingers. L Thanks , You're an amazing wealth of new information! I would LOVE to get over my bee allergy, and Marie's bee venom cream also sounds interesting to try, that is, if I wasn't in danger of breaking out in hives all over. I'll look into getting a vial of the bee venom, or perhaps I could simply put a dead bee into a little jar and work with that? I'm on the low budget, do it yrself life style;")) LOL! warmly, Suzy Hi Suzy, I would do some laser allergy treatments on bee venom, but be careful to wrap your vial in a small piece of fabric before coming in contact with it as if you get anaphalaxis from it you will set it off holding the vial. What a NAET practitioner will do with anything that causes Anaphalaxis is they will either use a surrogate ( another individual to hold the vial while they keep in contact with your body) or they will wrap the substance in several layers of fabric and when the body's reaction tends to wain, they will unwrap the vial until it is eventually safe to hold it. I do think if you work very hard with the laser and move the substance from the crown chakra and then down your spine and continue to laser your ears, hands and feet, you can get rid of the allergy, but if you are planning to use the Klinghardt protocol of Bee Venom injections, I would agree with Marie and go to a NAET practitioner for this one substance just to make sure you have someone that knows how to test you to make sure you are clear. I would then have your doctor do an allergy blood test on bee venom before starting treatment. > >>> > >>> Helen I ma very sorry to hear you are in pain , > >>> What is Raynaud abotu I am sorry I do nto know it . > >>> Most of us uses DMSo for pain . I uses colemas or liver cleanse the two days diet and it ideasepears > >>> Sorry not knowing abotu your symptoms better > >>> Kindly marie > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: dingyung49 mailto:dingyung49@ > >>> To: mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:56 PM > >>> Subject: raynaud disease > >>> > >>> > >>>  > >>> Hi, I looked the symptoms of lyme disease, raynaud was among them. My more than 10 year raynaud discomfort is getting worse. I have done MMS #1 for more than 8 months, Dr. Loyd's portocols for many months, Lately I started coiling from 5 seconds on up to 30 seconds. I did once a week 432 killing lyme and 832 daily killing bart. I have more intense pain over my legs lately. I have no relief of raynaud suffering. wish I know what bacteria causing raynaud so I can use coil to treat. Does anyone has this painful illness. Was told someone got well from antibiotics. I am not into antibiotics route. hope I can find some alternative ways to get relief this terrible symptom. any help will be much appreciated. Helen > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>No virus found in this message. > >>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > >>Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5127 - Release Date: 07/12/12 > > > > > > > > > >No virus found in this message. > >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > >Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5128 - Release Date: 07/12/12 > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5131 - Release Date: 07/14/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 good point Lena! Just make sure it's a worker bee. The drones (larger) don't possess stingers. L Thanks , You're an amazing wealth of new information! I would LOVE to get over my bee allergy, and Marie's bee venom cream also sounds interesting to try, that is, if I wasn't in danger of breaking out in hives all over. I'll look into getting a vial of the bee venom, or perhaps I could simply put a dead bee into a little jar and work with that? I'm on the low budget, do it yrself life style;")) LOL! warmly, Suzy On 7/14/2012 12:31 PM, musiclady wrote: Hi Suzy, I would do some laser allergy treatments on bee venom, but be careful to wrap your vial in a small piece of fabric before coming in contact with it as if you get anaphalaxis from it you will set it off holding the vial. What a NAET practitioner will do with anything that causes Anaphalaxis is they will either use a surrogate ( another individual to hold the vial while they keep in contact with your body) or they will wrap the substance in several layers of fabric and when the body's reaction tends to wain, they will unwrap the vial until it is eventually safe to hold it. I do think if you work very hard with the laser and move the substance from the crown chakra and then down your spine and continue to laser your ears, hands and feet, you can get rid of the allergy, but if you are planning to use the Klinghardt protocol of Bee Venom injections, I would agree with Marie and go to a NAET practitioner for this one substance just to make sure you have someone that knows how to test you to make sure you are clear. I would then have your doctor do an allergy blood test on bee venom before starting treatment. > >>> > >>> Helen I ma very sorry to hear you are in pain , > >>> What is Raynaud abotu I am sorry I do nto know it . > >>> Most of us uses DMSo for pain . I uses colemas or liver cleanse the two days diet and it ideasepears > >>> Sorry not knowing abotu your symptoms better > >>> Kindly marie > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: dingyung49 mailto:dingyung49@ > >>> To: mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:56 PM > >>> Subject: raynaud disease > >>> > >>> > >>>  > >>> Hi, I looked the symptoms of lyme disease, raynaud was among them. My more than 10 year raynaud discomfort is getting worse. I have done MMS #1 for more than 8 months, Dr. Loyd's portocols for many months, Lately I started coiling from 5 seconds on up to 30 seconds. I did once a week 432 killing lyme and 832 daily killing bart. I have more intense pain over my legs lately. I have no relief of raynaud suffering. wish I know what bacteria causing raynaud so I can use coil to treat. Does anyone has this painful illness. Was told someone got well from antibiotics. I am not into antibiotics route. hope I can find some alternative ways to get relief this terrible symptom. any help will be much appreciated. Helen > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>No virus found in this message. > >>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > >>Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5127 - Release Date: 07/12/12 > > > > > > > > > >No virus found in this message. > >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ > >Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5128 - Release Date: 07/12/12 > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5131 - Release Date: 07/14/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5134 - Release Date: 07/15/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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