Tics

[Guest guest]

Not to push any panic buttons, but does she have any other twitches or tics?

That winking sounds like a tic...but before you get too concerned about

tourette syndrome, I should remind you that most people have a tic or two and

it doesn't mean they have Tourette Syndrome. Just wondering. BTW, remind me

again, how old is ????

Take good care,

In a message dated 1/24/00 12:45:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, GPesses@...

writes:

<< I've been noticing that for the past several weeks, has been

" winking " with her left eye - not all the time, just every now and then. We

meet with the new dr this week, but I thought hearing ideas from all of you

would give me some direction when I bring this up. Currently, is on

60

mg of Prozac.

Any suggestions? >>

[Guest guest]

<< I've been noticing that for the past several weeks, has been

" winking " with her left eye - not all the time, just every now and then. We

meet with the new dr this week, but I thought hearing ideas from all of you

would give me some direction when I bring this up. Currently, is on

60

mg of Prozac.

Any suggestions? >>

Is this the only tic that has? How old is she? If you are not seeing

any other tics this may be no big deal and may go away. Knowing what is and

is not a tic can be tricky. Before my son was diagnosed with TS I was

surpassed to find that coughing, throat clearing and sniffing can be tics.

Many children have transient tics which are no big deal and go away. Let's

hope that's all this is.

Patti in So Cal

[Guest guest]

My son had this same tic about 2 months ago. It lasted for about 2 - 3

weeks and then disappeared. He has never been diagnosed with tourettes but

I have noticed that he does have some occasional ticcing - both motor and

vocal. Eliz in WI

Tics

> From: GPesses@...

>

> I've been noticing that for the past several weeks, has been

> " winking " with her left eye - not all the time, just every now and then.

We

> meet with the new dr this week, but I thought hearing ideas from all of

you

> would give me some direction when I bring this up. Currently, is on

60

> mg of Prozac.

> Any suggestions?

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Winking can certainly be a tic, my daughter has had a few tics that were

short-lived and which began at OCD onset. For months they would come and

go, Kellen says they are OCD and feel just the same as OCD, for what that is

worth. I was surprised to find that they bother her as much as any other

aspect of OCD, since they seemed (to me) so low-level and " background. "

More recently, she had an explosion of primarily body tics and her doctor

put her on a low dose of Risperdal since ticcing at this level was

interfering with getting to sleep, etc., and she was achey from doing them

all day. The Risperdal has done a fair job of minimizing them. My

understanding is many people with a primary diagnosis of OCD have some tics.

Kathy R. in Indiana

> From: GPesses@...

>

> I've been noticing that for the past several weeks, has been

> " winking " with her left eye - not all the time, just every now and then.

We

> meet with the new dr this week, but I thought hearing ideas from all of

you

> would give me some direction when I bring this up. Currently, is on

60

> mg of Prozac.

> Any suggestions?

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy R--

What's interesting to me is how some docs will say that many people with a

primary dx of OCD also present with tics, while other docs will say that many

people with TS will present with OCD and/or other anxiety disorders.

I'm supposing TS has been ruled out in your daughter's case? That she doesn't

meet the diagnostic criteria for TS??? That might explain why she has a

primary dx of OCD and not TS--just thinking/wondering out loud.

Take good care,

In a message dated 1/25/00 9:41:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,

klr@... writes:

<< From: " Kathy " <klr@...>

Winking can certainly be a tic, my daughter has had a few tics that were

short-lived and which began at OCD onset. For months they would come and

go, Kellen says they are OCD and feel just the same as OCD, for what that is

worth. I was surprised to find that they bother her as much as any other

aspect of OCD, since they seemed (to me) so low-level and " background. "

More recently, she had an explosion of primarily body tics and her doctor

put her on a low dose of Risperdal since ticcing at this level was

interfering with getting to sleep, etc., and she was achey from doing them

all day. The Risperdal has done a fair job of minimizing them. My

understanding is many people with a primary diagnosis of OCD have some tics.

Kathy R. in Indiana

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

> From: DHu1017467@...

>

> Hi Kathy R--

>

> What's interesting to me is how some docs will say that many people with a

> primary dx of OCD also present with tics, while other docs will say that

many

> people with TS will present with OCD and/or other anxiety disorders.

Yes, I guess both statements are true. I've been reading that some

researchers think OCD and Tourette's are different expressions of the same

basic disorder and that they exist along a continuum--from OCD only on one

end to Tourette's only on the other, with mixtures of symptoms in between.

My daughter's contention that " it's all the same stuff " (tics, bad thoughts,

compulsions) would fit with this theory.

>

> I'm supposing TS has been ruled out in your daughter's case? That she

doesn't

> meet the diagnostic criteria for TS??? That might explain why she has a

> primary dx of OCD and not TS--just thinking/wondering out loud.

I believe one of the diagnostic criteria for Tourette's has the tics

continuously present for a year or more, which isn't true of my daughter at

this point. She only had shortish periods of tics more off than on for

almost a year, and they were very subtle. Only this past couple of months

did she develop many tics that were much more intense and bothersome, this

is why she was started on the Risperdal, which has helped quite a bit.

Kathy R. in Indiana

[Guest guest]

hi patti--

I just joined your tourettes list and was looking for a little more info-- i

see no archives, but is there some secret place I might not know about?

When I joined the OCD parenting list, I read thru months of archives and

found them really helpful-- any ideas?

Thanks much

Ellen in NY

[Guest guest]

Well to be more specific, the DSM-IV says tics must be present for at least a

year with no more than a three month period between episodes. If more than

three months pass between tics, then the counting sort of begins again, for

those TS psychiatrists who are really picky--and ours are!

From what I understand, TS is on the Autism, Aspergers spectrum...with Autism

at one end and TS at the other end of the spectrum. Somewhere in there, no

doubt, is OCD..I'm pretty much convinced of that.

Take goodcare,

Diaan

In a message dated 1/26/00 10:05:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,

klr@... writes:

<< I believe one of the diagnostic criteria for Tourette's has the tics

continuously present for a year or more, which isn't true of my daughter at

this point. She only had shortish periods of tics more off than on for

almost a year, and they were very subtle. Only this past couple of months

did she develop many tics that were much more intense and bothersome, this

is why she was started on the Risperdal, which has helped quite a bit.

Kathy R. in Indiana >>

[Guest guest]

Charlene - I will do my best to explain ERP. It stands for Exposure and

Response Prevention and is the preferred therapy for OCD. It is preferred

because it is nonmedicating and long lasting. It actually teaches a person

to face their anxieties without performing the ritual or compulsion. Once a

person learns this technique, they are usually (hopefully) able to " boss

back " future OCD related anxieties and rituals by creating their own

exposure tasks. Many people are then able to decrease or even come off of

medication. Some people use ERP before trying meds and are able to avoid

them completely.

There are quite a few good manuals out there that teach a person how to do

this themselves but it is best if you can find a good therapist who is an

expert in the field. ( The books are good for additional support.) The

experts are hard to find, however, and as many members have discovered,

there are a lot of therapists out there who claim to know how to treat OCD

but really don't. If you decide to pursue this, you may want to call the

OCFoudation and ask about therapists in your area. Last summer I was

traveling 250 miles one way to have my son treated by an expert - it was

well worth it.

That's it in a nutshell. There are quite a few parents on this list that

know their stuff in regards to this therapy. Good luck. Eliz in WI.

tics

> From: Charleen.Bower@...

>

> Thanks for the warm welcome Eliz in WI! Hearing from people who understand

> first hand really makes a difference. My circle of friends are wonderful,

but

> no one has a child with these challenges. While they have always been very

> tolerant when with Gavin, their well meaning advice to me shows their lack

of

> understanding. I can tell that deep down they really feel things could be

> different.

>

> As for your question about Gavin's tics, we have a whole list of them that

> come and go with a mind of their own. Throat clearing/coughing , jaw

snapping,

> shoulder and hand clenching, blinking, mouth and nose twitching, facial

> scrunching. Once last year, and once again this year, we had a period of

two

> weeks or so that his body movements were so severe that he had the

appearance

> of someone with palsy. (It is interesting to note that both times these

> episodes happened about two weeks after a strep throat. The neurologist

was

> sure that it was TS and not chorea that sometimes follows strep

infections.)

> Then we have the OCD type activities, repeating words, rubbing the paper

after

> each letter (as if brushing off non existent crumbs), going over the same

> letter, etc.

> By the way, what are ERP techniques? This is just the first time I will

show

> my ignorance. I have so much still to learn.

>

> Charleen in town

> BLOOM WHERE YOU ARE PLANTED

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Excuse me everyone, Can somebody tell me what is the meaning of " tics " ?

Shinta

[Guest guest]

Tics are repeated involuntary motor movements (such as eye blinking).

Original Message -----

From: A R i E <askari@...>

<autism >

Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 8:30 AM

Subject: Re: tics

> Excuse me everyone, Can somebody tell me what is the meaning of " tics " ?

>

> Shinta

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/21/2001 4:05:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, askari@... writes:

Excuse me everyone, Can somebody tell me what is the meaning of "tics" ?

according to my medical dictionary, a tic is a repeated, uncontrolled, purposeless contraction of muscle or group of muscles, most commonly in the face, shoulders, or arms.  Typical tics include pointless blinking, mouth twitching and shoulder shruggi

[Guest guest]

Hi Cornelia,

Here are a few questions that I have:

1.) Does your son have seizures now or has he outgrown them?

2.) Is your son on any Prescription Medications at the present time?

3.) Is your son on any type of Special Diet for his problems?

4.) Does your son take any Vitamin or Mineral Supplements?

Take Care,

Sharon Myers

[ ] Tics

[Guest guest]

STOP the bethanecol

that is a bad reaction

> I recently added bethanecol and an amino acid blend to my son's

> supplements and he got a huge case of tics. Tons of tics. Any

advice?

> thanks

[Guest guest]

THANKS!!!! I didn't know bethanecol could cause tics.

[Guest guest]

Hi ! Now Carol has even more to explore

to try to help her son -sensory tics -lyme and tics - strep and

tics -that should be at least 6 cents worth at 2 cents a pop.

Some of the links I found below that may help I never would have known to

search for in regards to tics (MD-parents like you are good to have

around!):

Strep and tics

Treatments Reduce Strep-Triggered Symptoms of OCD and Tics in Some

Children

National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) researchers report that

some children whose symptoms of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD)

and tic disorders were worsened by a common strep infection have

been successfully treated with plasma exchange (PEX) and intravenous

immunoglobulin (IVIG). Dr. Swedo and colleagues at the

National Institutes of Health reported their findings in the October

2 issue of Lancet. "

http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/sept99/nimh-30.htm

Lyme and tics

" Psychiatric.Two studies from different institutions found that

children with Lyme Disease may develop late problems with visual and

auditory attention. These children may be mistakenly diagnosed as

having primary attention deficit disorder as opposed to attentional

deficits secondary to a systemic infection. Other findings in

children include new onset phobias (e.g., fear of the dark,

separation anxiety), depression, listlessness and irritability,

oppositional behavior, obsessive-compulsive behaviors, and/or

Tourettes Disorder. "

http://www.columbia-lyme.org/flatp/lymeoverview.html

" The impact academically is most significant. These children have

fall-off in academic performance, difficulty learning new material,

problems with short-term memory, problems with word finding, and a

number of them have lost reading skills. Frequently, these children

may present with a picture of ADD or may have an underlying ADD or

ADHD that is made worse by the Lyme. Incidentally, Dr. Pietrucha

noted that children with Tourette's may also have a worsening of

their tics when they have been ill with Lyme disease symptoms. A

case report published in Lancet indicated that a child with

Tourette's who was found to have concurrent CNS Lyme disease

experienced a remission of the Tourette's after the Lyme disease was

treated. "

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/412987?

WebLogicSession=Pm1eQ2bGDEokShuTCSaWgh0C0bPEtvooYaTduWlBav6eqZGNOBn9|

1142142660663020111/184161393/6/7001/7001/7002/7002/7001/-1

Sensory tics

" Like many other aspects of this site, this page is put together

from anecdotes and personal experiences. "

http://au.geocities.com/jones_kacm/tictypes.htm

http://au.geocities.com/jones_kacm/5_senses.htm

(I added the school / stress ones too since I believe that is a

possiblity as well)

Stress and tics

" Management of a tic disorder should explore possible stresses in

the child's life at home and school. Stress can exacerbate tics

which in turn, often impacts on the child's self-esteem. Helping the

child and parents to devise strategies to deal with stress, and

providing reassurance and monitoring are the mainstays of

management. "

http://www.sch.edu.au/articles.asp?type=3 & doc=30

" Dr. Preston Herrington, Pediatrician

Margie noticed that since her five-year-old son, , had started

school, he developed a new habit of frequently pulling at his own

ears. Everything from an ear infection to developing a " tic " crossed

her mind. After consulting with her physician – she learned it was

neither – it was simply a way was calming himself as he

adjusted to the changes from being at home with mom to starting

school.

Childhood habits like twisting or chewing hair, grinding teeth,

tugging on ears, and nail biting sometimes are confused with tic

behaviors. Nervous habits like these are controllable behaviors that

develop in times of stress. They are common in school-aged children

as they adjust to new routines, new schools, and new friendships.

Nervous habits are often outlets for pent-up energy. Do not worry

about them unless they are done compulsively. Sometimes a change of

scenery, a gentle awareness discussion, or relaxation exercises will

help break the habit. Childhood nervous habits usually stop when the

child learns more effective ways of comforting himself while coping

with stress.

Tics, on the other hand, are involuntary muscle movements that are

physical problems, not psychological ones. Motor tics include eye

blinking or squinting, shrugging the shoulders, grimacing,

repetitive coughing or shaking the head. Vocal tics include tongue

clicking, clearing the throat, sniffing, coughing, or saying words

out of context. In rare cases, children may curse or say unpleasant

things that they do not mean.

Those behaviors are not used to calm a child as with a nervous

habit, because they are not in the child's control. While their

presence may seem as if the child is experiencing stress, they

generally are not direct responses to stress or anxiety. They can

happen randomly.... "

http://www.lifecoursehealth.com/LifeCourse/Columns/ColumnsDetail.asp?ColumnID=37

" The most common tic disorder is called " transient tic disorder, "

which may affect up to 10 percent of children during the early

school years. Teachers or others may notice the tics and wonder if

the child is under stress or " nervous. " Transient tics go away by

themselves.

Some tics do not go away. Tics which last one year or more are

called " chronic tics. " Chronic tics affect less than one percent of

children and may be related to a special, more unusual tic disorder

called Tourette's Disorder. "

http://www.puberty101.com/aacap_tics.shtml

Note to Carol:

Carol -I just noticed when I cut and pasted part of your mesage to

include here that I missed in my last message to you about your son

no longer receiving any therapies. Talk to your son's former case

manager at the school and see if you can work out with them a

schedule to bring him in to the school for the therapy sessions -and

perhaps a class or two he enjoyed -if there was one? If you pull

your child out of school and it's not agreed upon/worked out with

the school in the IEP -they may not be responsible -however you

could work it out now I'm sure. Being that your child was such a

good student, and being that he was having regressions that were

alarming in the school -I would talk to your school about working

something out. If they are not open to this -I would speak to a

special ed attorney or advocate in your state/area. Your child's

entitled by law to a free and appropriate public education in the

least restrictive environment -I'm sure there is a way to work

things out so that your son could continue to at least receive

therapy. Who knows -perhaps he can gradually work back up to being

in school full time again? Remember " no child left behind " -it's the

law.

Best wishes to all of you!

=====

[Guest guest]

I'm in here for my daughter who has apraxia, but my son has a

chronic tic disorder. We've seen the neurologist and had the strep

test done.

Thanks,

Suzi

> i'm pretty new to the group and have noticed a lot of parents e-

> mailing in that their kids have " tics. " it sounds like some of

> these " tics " are really sensory symptoms, as opposed to true tics,

> which are pretty fixed neurologic patterns. if your child truly

has

> tics, he should be worked up by a neurologist, and also checked

for

> strep and lyme. otherwise i've heard several success stories of

> these so-called " tics " being treated by OT - and it works!

>

> my 2 cents.

> leslie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/11/03 9:30:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,

anncrow@... writes:

> abmd group

abmd group,whats that?

Jennie

[Guest guest]

thankyou to everyone continuing to respond. Ann, I know that some people

are really affected by yeast (my sister-in-law's life was changed when as a

teenager someone finally diagnosed yeast as the problem and she was treated)

and as someone else said, it could be a PART of the difficulty, but

made an excellent point that at first I wasn't thinking about and that is

that the behaviors definitely correlate with stressful environments

(outside- the- body factors, rather than internal factors) and it can't be

the school lunches (ha!) since in some group situations he has not been in

this school or had a school lunch. This also would apply to the person

(sorry can't remember your name) who recommended it may be an aminoacid type

problem, wouldn't it? In the fall when people were responding to Suzi about

her son I did have Micah tested for strep in the blood, thinking maybe that

could be it. Suzi, your idea was a fabulous one, although of course, now too

late as since we have homeschooled the behaviors have drastically reduced

and I sincerely hope that they will disappear completely again as they have

in the summer (although since I am still pushing him in a sense to perform

difficult tasks like writing and reading I don't expect them to...in other

words, the environment here at home isn't completely stressfree either). It

would be fascinating to compare notes with how your older son does if you do

decide to homeschool. Did they have a name for his tic disorder or did they

just call it that " tic disorder " because I do think they could diagnose my

son with that as well. Did they prescribe any meds and did they help at

all? Micah is still involved in an after school group at the school called

Destination Imagination (formerly, Odyssey of the Mind) which lasts one more

week. It will be interesting to see what happens with the tics that are

left once he does not go to the school at all. Tracie, good news is: I was

finally able to get on medicaid and next week he starts private OT and

private pool therapy (probably short-term so I can do carryover in the lake

this summer). I am not sure if medicaid will pay for it, however, since our

state's new governor is considering therapy as one of the aspects of

medicaid to cut back on. Still, I found a local agency which has some funds

that may be able to back me up a little (one year, when Micah was three,

the COST of the private therapy he got EQUALED the amount of my husband's

YEARLY SALARY.....so to me (his therapy totaled between 3 and 4 hrs. a week)

that is INSANE and I understand why the medical field is such a mess and why

taxes should not have to pay those exorbitant amounts). So I continue the

hassles of trying to get therapy and the academic work to my son while

maintaining his emotional health at the same time. ....interesting

about Khalid going to Sylvan! I got some materials on them a couple of

months ago and lodged it in my brain for later on down the road....if Micah

wants to go to college I think it would be excellent college prep. Well,

all, thanks again for all your thoughts. I especially appreciated the

detailed one from , whose child sounds an awful lot like mine, except

again for the good skills in reading.....it could be the gifted IQ

but I think probably just that his reading ability isn't effected by the

disability ( the dr. told me that usually NLD isn't diagnosed until round

fourth grade because that is when the subtle meanings or 'reading between

the lines' make it really difficult for NLD kids) because Micah also has a

high IQ in the verbal section, although not in the gifted range. he

definitely has the huge discrepancy though. I think it is so ironic that a

child having so much trouble with talking and communicating can also score

so high on the " verbal " range of an IQ test! What I found most interesting

was the fact that he too has been diagnosed with both global apraxia and

nld....now I know three kids that have both. Any body else out there??????

And what state are you in? Thanks again to everyone, Carol

[Guest guest]

They are talking about tics at the abmd group if anyone is

intrested. My 2 cents Ann

[Guest guest]

Jennie it is another group abmd is a Autism Biomedical

Dicussion group.

From the first page that come up with your groups there is a fill in

blank that says join a group if you put in abmd it will take you

right there. It is very intresting My 2 cents Ann

[Guest guest]

My daughters tics are seizure related. She has eye tics or rhythmic blinking

which is a seizure.

-- [ ] Re: tics

Hi ! Now Carol has even more to explore

to try to help her son -sensory tics -lyme and tics - strep and

tics -that should be at least 6 cents worth at 2 cents a pop.

Some of the links I found below that may help I never would have known to

search for in regards to tics (MD-parents like you are good to have

around!):

[Guest guest]

Carol,

They just diagnosed with a chronic tic disorder. The funny

thing is lately, we can't notice the tics at all. I did put him on

the fish oil, and that seemed to help. However, I took him off the

fish oil and he is doing okay still.

I think a lot of it is stress, and I think the stress level is a lot

less now than it was in the beginning of the school year.

He is not on any meds because we didn't think the tics were bad

enough. never noticed them, so we didn't want to make a big

deal out of it. I'm just reading a lot about tic disorders and

tourettes to see what natural things help.

I do think he has some personality quirks that I am a little

concerned about, but he is an 8 year old boy and they all seem a

little quirky.

Suzi

>Suzi, your idea was a fabulous one, although of

>course, now too

> late as since we have homeschooled the behaviors have drastically

reduced

> and I sincerely hope that they will disappear completely again as

they have

> in the summer (although since I am still pushing him in a sense to

perform

> difficult tasks like writing and reading I don't expect them

to...in other

> words, the environment here at home isn't completely stressfree

either). It

> would be fascinating to compare notes with how your older son does

if you do

> decide to homeschool. Did they have a name for his tic disorder

or did they

> just call it that " tic disorder " because I do think they could

diagnose my

> son with that as well. Did they prescribe any meds and did they

help at

> all? Micah is still involved in an after school group at the

school called

> Destination Imagination (formerly, Odyssey of the Mind) which

lasts one more

> week. It will be interesting to see what happens with the tics

that are

> left once he does not go to the school at all.

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzi and all!

Just wanted to clarify -I didn't put Dakota on the oils for the

tics -it was to try to help his attention and focus due to all his

teachers and neurodevelopmental MD's since 3 years old in " normal "

preschool " highly suggesting " that Dakota had ADHD or ADD or CAPD or

something depending on whether it was from an MD or a teacher.

Years later at the First Apraxia Conference sponsored by CHERAB I

had a chance to speak with Dr. AJ about her views and

research in the UK on why higher EPA may be better while most in the

US only talk about the DHA.

http://www.pufanewsletter.com/pufa/Pufa22.pdf

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/issues/v57n7/fpdf/ylt0700.pdf

Dakota clearly was struggling to focus or stay on task for any

amount of time -not just at school -at home too. Even for things he

wanted to do. The higher EPA added to the ProEFA worked great for

him and it was noticed -and still is. It was around that time

however that my husband gave the higher EPA with the ProEFA to

Tanner as well during a weekend trip when I had to stay home and we

all noticed another surge in Tanner's speech. (you start getting

greedy for more and more of those surges)

To be honest I don't remember if the change of the O3/O6 oil formula

had anything to do with Dakota no longer having tics. I have to say

I don't think so -but that didn't cross my mind back then. It was

clearly school related since it subsided during the weekend and

school breaks and came back full force when back in school again.

And -Dakota loved school and loved his teachers and friends. The

focus problems and " tics " were observed by his teacher -the school

psychologist -and Dr. Sinha at that time. I don't believe anyone

viewed the movements as anything but stress related actions -and the

word " tics " was not used - " nervous behaviors " was. (I used the word

tics however when I spoke to the school because that's what they looked

like to me)

Some of this story is in the archives somewhere -or some about the

ADHD and oils is at Speechville

http://www.speech-express.com/alternative-therapy/efa-faqs.html

Boy! Carol you were looking for " someone " to relate -and instead

found more than a few someones that do! (so do we include tics on

the list of associated or related disorders that may run in the

families of children with communication impairments or what?!)

Should stress related -temporary tics like temporary stuttering be called

" developmental tics " ?! Or once a child has them -he has them- even if he no

longer has them? Suzi what does you doctor say about them stopping?

=====

[Guest guest]

There are different kinds of tics. There are some that are

temporary and only last a few months.

is considered a chronic tic disorder because his lasted over

a year.

I'm still not sure what the difference between a chronic tic

disorder and tourette's syndrome. I thought the main difference was

that for tourette's they had to have a vocal tic. I know that last

year started snorting for several weeks (it really bugged

me). Snorting is considered a vocal tic. After the snorting, he

started jerking his head. I also think he has some eye blinking

tics.

That's about it.

I tried the ProEFA because we don't eat much fish, and I was curious

to see if it would help with 's tics. That's when the tics

got better, and then they eventually stopped. I've taken him off the

ProEFA to see if the tics come back. They haven't, yet.

Suzi

I don't remember if the change of the O3/O6 oil

formula

> had anything to do with Dakota no longer having tics. I have to

say

> I don't think so -but that didn't cross my mind back then. It was

> clearly school related since it subsided during the weekend and

> school breaks and came back full force when back in school again.

> And -Dakota loved school and loved his teachers and friends. The

> focus problems and " tics " were observed by his teacher -the school

> psychologist -and Dr. Sinha at that time. I don't believe anyone

> viewed the movements as anything but stress related actions -and

the

> word " tics " was not used - " nervous behaviors " was. (I used the

word

> tics however when I spoke to the school because that's what they

looked

> like to me)

>

> Some of this story is in the archives somewhere -or some about the

> ADHD and oils is at Speechville

> http://www.speech-express.com/alternative-therapy/efa-faqs.html

>

> Boy! Carol you were looking for " someone " to relate -and instead

> found more than a few someones that do! (so do we include tics on

> the list of associated or related disorders that may run in the

> families of children with communication impairments or what?!)

>

> Should stress related -temporary tics like temporary stuttering be

called " developmental tics " ?! Or once a child has them -he has them-

even if he no longer has them? Suzi what does you doctor say about

them stopping?