Re: Sonrise program--no acceptance of autism

[Guest guest]

Listmates,

I have to chime in there. Everything Lori said is true. My son never would

have recovered, be in college, had a girlfriend or had any kind of life if I

had accepted the misconceptions associated with the Autism diagnosis. Our

stories can't be about accepting or coping with autism, but rather fighting

back and being more stubborn than our children we love unconditionally. I

would never relate to a child or get his attention by stimming with them.

There are many different ways to get the job done but we must have high

expectations and treat them the same as everyone else. Lori is right when

she said , " I never ever treated my child differently because of his

diagnosis. He was expected to conform to the behavior and rules just like

his brother and sister . " For us, behavioral and educational interventions

were used in conjunction with the medical treatment to catch up on

everything he missed when he was ill and unable to learn. Initially, we

used Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) for his rehabilitation and when he was

ready we moved towards more natural ways of teaching. It took years to

correct 's deficits in speech and social skills. It was almost like

taking a stroke victim and bringing them back.

An example of the natural consequences we used to teach is exemplified

in the following story. was 's favorite playmate. She always had

fun at my house (mostly from all the attention I gave her because back then

wasn't too fun to play with). I would travel to pick her up and drop

her back at home because honestly she was worth the extra drive and trouble.

She would dress him up, make him dance, and even have pretend weddings. His

speech increased because he wanted her to talk to him. And never gave

him the opportunity to disengage or not talk. did whatever she said

because he felt safe with her and adored her. And then one day this all

ended.

came over for a fun adventure of sledding in a nearby park. We went

sledding for almost two hours. It was one of our best times ever and I was

feeling pretty good about how finally the social was starting to come. The

day was perfect until it was time to drop off at home. didn't

want her to leave. started screaming at the top of his lungs right in

's ear. He wanted the fun to continue, but didn't have the words to

say so. My kid who looked very typical just fifteen minutes ago was having

a major meltdown in 's driveway. After that, didn't want to come

back.

At first, I wasn't going to tell that wouldn't be back. I wanted

to protect his feelings; I wanted to shield him from reality and the cost of

his actions. But that really wouldn't help . So I explained that

wouldn't be coming over to play anymore because he acted badly when it

was time for her to go home. Our instinct and best intention is to protect

our children from the world. And at times this is necessary. We must

protect them from bullies and the difficulties they face as a result of the

autism. But if they are too protected, they don't learn what is appropriate

and expected. When they are little and still cute people excuse their weird

behavior, but when they get older this no longer applies. One day we won't

be there anymore and they have to learn what is acceptable and what is not.

Best,

Marcia

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acceptance of ``A``

Posted by: " Lori "

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<hhbharris> hhbharris

Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:53 am (PDT)

I am sorry to disagree , but I would NEVER accept my child the way he

was when diagnosed with ``A``.

He was medically ill and accepting that would be the same as accepting that

my child has cancer and not doing anything about it!

We love our children unconditionally, but it was never acceptable to me that

my child, because of a misunderstood medical illness, would not grow up to

have a normal life. That is why I moved heaven and earth to get to Dr.

Goldberg and I continue to do so to afford the phone consults and

medications without insurance because we are out of country.

I never ever treated my child differently because of his diagnosis. He was

expected to conform to the behaviour and rules that his brother and sister

were, all appropriate for their age.

Today at age 12 he is a remarkable boy. Extremely disciplines and talented

musically, and academically. Still sweet, kind and honest, although there

are some of the normal manipulations that happen in the tween years. He is a

good boy, always complemented by strangers and friends parents for his kind

demeanour, manners and sunny disposition.

Accepting that he could not string spontaneous sentences together or only

talk in scripts from movies would not have got him where he was today.

Accepting that he could not play with toys but only examine how they worked

would not have got him to be the imaginative, creative kid he is today.

I am pleased that you feel your child is making progress with your

acceptance. But set the bar high. They are capable of reaching it and

accomplishing amazing things.

Patience and determination. Those are the things your child needs from you

the most.

I do not mean to be disrespectful; however accepting your child is selling

them short.

This is something I feel so strongly about, especially after so many doctors

told me that I would just have to learn to accept my son the way he was.no

way!!! I didn't and he was far succeeded the expectations of any of the

``experts`` and he is only 12!

Lori

[Guest guest]

Marcia and Lori, didn't mean to start an uprising

Marcia The story about is a great example of the kind of therapy son rise,

play project, or floor time uses. got into your sons world by playing

with him and he learned by playing with her. That is the concept of this type

of therapy. No, of course every play date with was not going to end well,

he still had to learn.

My comment before, thanks to the other moms who explained better than I did, was

meant that our kids detect when we are frustrated or angry with them. If we

give them acceptance, they feel that too and then it makes it easier for them to

come into our world, because they feel accepted.

I really believe that, but my son is also in full time therapy, ABA school then

floor time in the afternoon. His ABA school also believes the same way, give

the kids acceptance and loving kindness, to help them ease back into our world.

That does not mean that he does not get high intensity therapy and teaching, it

is just in a different way then they used to do it when your child were young.

This also has nothing to do with their medical problems. Is not that the

reason we are all here, trying to help our kids? I would never want anyone to

accept their kids' medical problems as okay. No, our kids need help healing.

That is really neither here nor there, if your kid is sick, they need help.

I would also like to point out that this is a different kind of therapy that you

might not understand. If you want to look into it I am sure you will be able

to understand it better, but it is a proven therapy that has helped many

children recover. Kathi's description of how she engages Liam was right on. As

you notice she said that when she does this he comes into her world. YouTube

has some great samples of this therapy being performed. you can look up

SonRise, floor time, or Play project. They all are very similar.

Mega

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>

> Listmates,

>

>

> I have to chime in there. Everything Lori said is true. My son never would

> have recovered, be in college, had a girlfriend or had any kind of life if I

> had accepted the misconceptions associated with the Autism diagnosis. Our

> stories can't be about accepting or coping with autism, but rather fighting

> back and being more stubborn than our children we love unconditionally. I

> would never relate to a child or get his attention by stimming with them.

> There are many different ways to get the job done but we must have high

> expectations and treat them the same as everyone else. Lori is right when

> she said , " I never ever treated my child differently because of his

> diagnosis. He was expected to conform to the behavior and rules just like

> his brother and sister . " For us, behavioral and educational interventions

> were used in conjunction with the medical treatment to catch up on

> everything he missed when he was ill and unable to learn. Initially, we

> used Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) for his rehabilitation and when he was

> ready we moved towards more natural ways of teaching. It took years to

> correct 's deficits in speech and social skills. It was almost like

> taking a stroke victim and bringing them back.

>

> An example of the natural consequences we used to teach is exemplified

> in the following story. was 's favorite playmate. She always had

> fun at my house (mostly from all the attention I gave her because back then

> wasn't too fun to play with). I would travel to pick her up and drop

> her back at home because honestly she was worth the extra drive and trouble.

> She would dress him up, make him dance, and even have pretend weddings. His

> speech increased because he wanted her to talk to him. And never gave

> him the opportunity to disengage or not talk. did whatever she said

> because he felt safe with her and adored her. And then one day this all

> ended.

>

> came over for a fun adventure of sledding in a nearby park. We went

> sledding for almost two hours. It was one of our best times ever and I was

> feeling pretty good about how finally the social was starting to come. The

> day was perfect until it was time to drop off at home. didn't

> want her to leave. started screaming at the top of his lungs right in

> 's ear. He wanted the fun to continue, but didn't have the words to

> say so. My kid who looked very typical just fifteen minutes ago was having

> a major meltdown in 's driveway. After that, didn't want to come

> back.

>

> At first, I wasn't going to tell that wouldn't be back. I wanted

> to protect his feelings; I wanted to shield him from reality and the cost of

> his actions. But that really wouldn't help . So I explained that

> wouldn't be coming over to play anymore because he acted badly when it

> was time for her to go home. Our instinct and best intention is to protect

> our children from the world. And at times this is necessary. We must

> protect them from bullies and the difficulties they face as a result of the

> autism. But if they are too protected, they don't learn what is appropriate

> and expected. When they are little and still cute people excuse their weird

> behavior, but when they get older this no longer applies. One day we won't

> be there anymore and they have to learn what is acceptable and what is not.

>

> Best,

>

> Marcia

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Posted by: " Lori "

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> <hhbharris> hhbharris

>

>

> Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:53 am (PDT)

>

>

>

>

> I am sorry to disagree , but I would NEVER accept my child the way he

> was when diagnosed with ``A``.

>

> He was medically ill and accepting that would be the same as accepting that

> my child has cancer and not doing anything about it!

>

> We love our children unconditionally, but it was never acceptable to me that

> my child, because of a misunderstood medical illness, would not grow up to

> have a normal life. That is why I moved heaven and earth to get to Dr.

> Goldberg and I continue to do so to afford the phone consults and

> medications without insurance because we are out of country.

>

> I never ever treated my child differently because of his diagnosis. He was

> expected to conform to the behaviour and rules that his brother and sister

> were, all appropriate for their age.

>

> Today at age 12 he is a remarkable boy. Extremely disciplines and talented

> musically, and academically. Still sweet, kind and honest, although there

> are some of the normal manipulations that happen in the tween years. He is a

> good boy, always complemented by strangers and friends parents for his kind

> demeanour, manners and sunny disposition.

>

> Accepting that he could not string spontaneous sentences together or only

> talk in scripts from movies would not have got him where he was today.

> Accepting that he could not play with toys but only examine how they worked

> would not have got him to be the imaginative, creative kid he is today.

>

> I am pleased that you feel your child is making progress with your

> acceptance. But set the bar high. They are capable of reaching it and

> accomplishing amazing things.

>

> Patience and determination. Those are the things your child needs from you

> the most.

>

> I do not mean to be disrespectful; however accepting your child is selling

> them short.

>

> This is something I feel so strongly about, especially after so many doctors

> told me that I would just have to learn to accept my son the way he was.no

> way!!! I didn't and he was far succeeded the expectations of any of the

> ``experts`` and he is only 12!

>

> Lori

>

>

>

>

>

>