Re: Dental Visit

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In a message dated 5/19/00 4:41:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< PARENTS ARENT ALLOWED BACK with the children.. >>

Leah:

Don't be afraid...kids act BETTER when they're parents aren't around.....they

usually don't resist the doctors...only if you're there......trust me....

did well at dentist WITHOUT ME....

[Guest guest]

lmao but you could still be my mother......technically anyways

[Guest guest]

How is your son doing in dealing with the numb tounge and mouth. My son hasn't

lost any of his baby teeth but he does have a front top tooth that has came in

behind his baby teeth. The baby teeth are not even loose. I know that he needs

to see the dentist but I keep wondering if it would be better to just deal with

braces later when he is older and hopefully understand better.

Angie

[ ] dental visit

Hi List,

I just wanted to let you know that my son did have the laughing gas and

novacaine this morning and did very well. No signs of regression yet.

Also, if there are any dentists dental techs on this list " can an abscess in a

baby tooth cause the roots to dissolve prematurely " ?

maria r

[Guest guest]

Angie,

My son was great. No complaints at all! I couldn't believe it.When he was

three we had to put him in the hospital and give him gen. anesthesia to have

8 stainless steel crowns put on. When he came out of that one he was

screaming bloody murder because he didn't understand what was happening to

his mouth and tongue.

R

[Guest guest]

Angie,

both of my kids had teeth that did this. I was really concerned the first

time it happened. But it eventually came out. I didn't pay much attention

after that. They both had permanent teeth behind baby teeth that seemed not

even loose. But it took care of itself. And they magically moved into

place.

Carol

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

My son hasn't lost any of his baby teeth but he does have a front top

tooth that has came in behind his baby teeth. The baby teeth are not

even loose. I know that he needs to see the dentist but I keep wondering

if it would be better to just deal with braces later when he is older and

hopefully understand better.

Angie

----- New Message -----

Angie,

My daughter's bottom teeth just came in behind her baby teeth. One of

her baby teeth was loose, the other one was only slightly loose. I took

her to the dentist and he said to wiggle her two baby teeth every day,

and if they were not out in a month, to come back. He knows that I will

not let her get any shot with thimerisol (mercury) so he wants to see if

we can get the teeth loose enough that all he'll need is a topical

anathestic.

The first tooth came out in a week (it came out 5 days ago). We still

need to work on the other tooth.

The dentist said that they will become less loose if they are not

wiggled. (I had never heard of that before, but I was asking him why did

the baby teeth seem more loose the week BEFORE we went in than they were

the day we went to see him.)

He also said that her permanent teeth will move (somewhat) into position

as she talks and her tongue pushes against the teeth.

Hope this helps (and saves you the $30 that I paid for this info!

(smile))

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I'll try that. The baby tooth was slightly loose but he didn't want me

bothering it so I stopped. I figured it would loosen more as the big tooth

pushed through but it only tightened up. I had never heard of this either but

that's what it did. I'll try wiggling it again.

Angie

[ ] Re: dental visit

----- Original Message -----

My son hasn't lost any of his baby teeth but he does have a front top

tooth that has came in behind his baby teeth. The baby teeth are not

even loose. I know that he needs to see the dentist but I keep wondering

if it would be better to just deal with braces later when he is older and

hopefully understand better.

Angie

----- New Message -----

Angie,

My daughter's bottom teeth just came in behind her baby teeth. One of

her baby teeth was loose, the other one was only slightly loose. I took

her to the dentist and he said to wiggle her two baby teeth every day,

and if they were not out in a month, to come back. He knows that I will

not let her get any shot with thimerisol (mercury) so he wants to see if

we can get the teeth loose enough that all he'll need is a topical

anathestic.

The first tooth came out in a week (it came out 5 days ago). We still

need to work on the other tooth.

The dentist said that they will become less loose if they are not

wiggled. (I had never heard of that before, but I was asking him why did

the baby teeth seem more loose the week BEFORE we went in than they were

the day we went to see him.)

He also said that her permanent teeth will move (somewhat) into position

as she talks and her tongue pushes against the teeth.

Hope this helps (and saves you the $30 that I paid for this info!

(smile))

Carolyn

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Well, I got my teeth cleaned at the merc free dentist yesterday and had another

'go round' (and round and round) with the dentist. It always boils down to money

now.

We went over all the teeth again, he showed me the problems around my gums with

redness, swelling, angry inflammation probably because of the allergies to all

those metal crowns. The Gold crown is fine around it, but there are a total of

11 crowns including the 4tooth bridge piece. Porcelain ones usually have some

kind of metal underneath them (for strength), so even they can be problematic.

He studied my Clifford dental materials reactivity test very carefully. He

thinks at least 3 of those crowns (probably more) are made up of about 4 of

those metals I react badly to, which he said were pretty nasty metals they were

using when those were done (20+ or so yrs ago). The bridge I am definitely

allergic to as its made the gums infected and inflamed around it front and back

of those 4 teeth. So we agree that needs to come out. I told him I think I

should just rip the 4 teeth out and do a partial plate. Well, he said according

to my materials testing i'm also allergic to most the materials (plastics) that

they are made out of. He also swears it won't fit, will hurt and I won't wear

it. Am not allergic to materials for the soft ones, that 'are' comfy but also

don't bear weight well so they will wear away your bone in your jaw under it and

it won't last me 'for life'. He is very concerned about this. He has finally

admitted taking out the two middle teeth is good that are dead (have been since

I was about 10 yrs old), root canaled, have a short root and one has a loooong

metal pin in it that is also unknown metal. He'd like to do implants (can you

spell I " M NOT RICH) in those two and then anchor another bridge piece, well,

this is fraught with a lot of same probs as I already have I won't bore you all

with. They are going to come up with some price lists for doing things

different ways. I'm becoming more and more aware that we can be reactive to all

kinds of things in our mouth, NOT just mercury. And this could be why some

people don't get better from having merc out, if you have other materials put in

its place you may be reactive to, then you have not solved a problem. I'm very

concered that he needs to fix the 'bridge' mess first while the broken leaking

merc fillings are poisoning me in the meantime but he needs to fix the

bridge/teeth first so the rest of what he does will 'fit'. He is a real

craftsman I beleive when it comes to ones 'bite', jaw, and the fit of the teeth.

Oh why couldn't I have met HIM before the others that put all this garbage in my

mouth that doesn't even fit and ruined my jaw. The more metal went in my mouth

tho (the metal crowns) is when I began having FM symptoms, the weight gain, the

bad brain fog, not being able to sleep at night no matter what, etc. I really

do think thats all related, no question. Will it 'cure' me of all my ills? I

really don't know.

I did read on Klinghardts site some time ago that dead teeth can emit toxins,

that dental toxins can drain out the tonsils (mine were constantly infected as a

child and young adult until they came out at age 30), that metal pin was put in

at an early age, all that could have been the beginning of the imbalances that

caused my full blown cfs at 28. Thats the frustrating part, will we ever know

during this lifetime? Even those fortunate enough to make substantial recoveries

often still dont' know what the actual cause was and they did enough different

treatments they may not know exactly what helped or what combination of things

turned things around.

Anyway, it appears that this mess is gonna cost me at least 10k to 'patch'

things together and fix some of the previous mistakes done in my mouth, which

seems SO UNJUST to me. Most of this was caused by other dentists and now there

is no recourse to pay for the damage done to me so many years later. And too

sick to work for too many years. Insurance covers up to $1000 a year, a little

of this/that, but only 1/2 of crowns made of the cheapest materials at the

cheapest rate (not what you pay), so altho I'm grateful it will be some help,

its not going to make much of a dent in it.

What I'm wondering Rich and everyone else, if I can get my glutathione back up

(which may not happen with this much reactive metal in my mouth) and my coQ10

and aminos, will I be less reactive to these materials? As I can't afford to

replace all those crowns and do that right, then we'd be talking 20 to 30k and

thats just insane and not reality.

I get so overwhelmed with the scope of this problem and again broke down in

tears in the dentist office, not something I make a point of doing in public but

just cant' help it! They keep putting pressure on me to do things 'right'

(which of course is the right thing I suppose) but don't tell me how I'm

supposed to come up with the money and not go into debt and not have

food/medicine in my old age! This is going to be a VERY long drawn out process

(years) to get a lot of this out, I just hope I live long enough and it helps my

health enough to be worth the expense and the grief. There are no guarantee's

that it will make me feel better :-(

Sorry for the rant, will keep you posted as it progresses. If my heart doesn't

stop when I get their 'plan proposals'.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Hi, Marcia.

I really don't know the answer to this question for sure, but I'm

inclined to think that so long as your body continues to be exposed to

these things to which you have sensitivities, your immune system is

going to keep responding to them. I wish I could say that I don't

think that's true, but unfortunately I do. However, I don't see a

downside (other than the cost of the supplements) to trying to build

these substances up,and hopefully that will produce improvements in

your health, even though it probably won't solve all the problems

originating in your dental issues.

Rich

> What I'm wondering Rich and everyone else, if I can get my

glutathione back up (which may not happen with this much reactive

metal in my mouth) and my coQ10 and aminos, will I be less reactive to

these materials? As I can't afford to replace all those crowns and do

that right, then we'd be talking 20 to 30k and thats just insane and

not reality.

[Guest guest]

Marcia - I am going thru similar dental problems - and they are EXTREMELY

expensive. I am highly reactive (per the Peak Energy test, much like the

Clifford test) to a LOT of dental materials. I have many of bite issues (in

fact, I can't touch on any of my teeth except my left canines, have been

blending my food for almost two years now), and restorations have made my bite

even worse.

I have been told by numerous biologial dentists that porcelain is not good ,

overall, for highly reactive people (and for the reasons you mention). I seem to

do best on resin composite material (as long as it is used with cement and a

bonding agent that I can tolerate), like Prodigy. I also try to avoid flouride ,

which many of these products have in them, but that my dental compatability

test did not test for - so if you are sensitive to flouride (and it has MANY

health implications, esp if you have thyroid or bone problems, I think), then

you would have to call the individual dental material companies and try to get

them to release the ingredient info to you.

I also try to have the dentist preserve at least the edges of the tooth, so he

can put in an inlay of some sort, instead of filing down the top of the tooth

and putting on a crown (which heightens the risk of bite problems - but if I am

understanding your situation, you have no choice now but to go with the crowns)

Where is your current dentist located? I am looking for a dentist who is

biological and who is good with resolving bite issues.

I have had to get out loans specifically to cover all these dental expenses over

just the past few years, and this dental work will be going on for years, and

will probably exceed 30K. I have asked several dentists: is the foundation on

which all this work being done, solid? That is, I do not want all this work (and

money) going into teeth if the jawbone, etc is not rock solid. (I would go the

denture route instead - but this apparently is even worse when it comes to

creating additional bite problems). All have told me that my basic structure is

solid. (and they darn well better be right!)

Good luck to you with your dental work - would love to know where/who your

dentist is - thank you - les

Re: Dental visit

Well, I got my teeth cleaned at the merc free dentist yesterday and had

another 'go round' (and round and round) with the dentist. It always boils down

to money now.

We went over all the teeth again, he showed me the problems around my gums

with redness, swelling, angry inflammation probably because of the allergies to

all those metal crowns. The Gold crown is fine around it, but there are a total

of 11 crowns including the 4tooth bridge piece. Porcelain ones usually have

some kind of metal underneath them (for strength), so even they can be

problematic.

He studied my Clifford dental materials reactivity test very carefully. He

thinks at least 3 of those crowns (probably more) are made up of about 4 of

those metals I react badly to, which he said were pretty nasty metals they were

using when those were done (20+ or so yrs ago). The bridge I am definitely

allergic to as its made the gums infected and inflamed around it front and back

of those 4 teeth. So we agree that needs to come out. I told him I think I

should just rip the 4 teeth out and do a partial plate. Well, he said according

to my materials testing i'm also allergic to most the materials (plastics) that

they are made out of. He also swears it won't fit, will hurt and I won't wear

it. Am not allergic to materials for the soft ones, that 'are' comfy but also

don't bear weight well so they will wear away your bone in your jaw under it and

it won't last me 'for life'. He is very concerned about this. He has finally

admitted taking out the two middle teeth is good that are dead (have been since

I was about 10 yrs old), root canaled, have a short root and one has a loooong

metal pin in it that is also unknown metal. He'd like to do implants (can you

spell I " M NOT RICH) in those two and then anchor another bridge piece, well,

this is fraught with a lot of same probs as I already have I won't bore you all

with. They are going to come up with some price lists for doing things

different ways. I'm becoming more and more aware that we can be reactive to all

kinds of things in our mouth, NOT just mercury. And this could be why some

people don't get better from having merc out, if you have other materials put in

its place you may be reactive to, then you have not solved a problem. I'm very

concered that he needs to fix the 'bridge' mess first while the broken leaking

merc fillings are poisoning me in the meantime but he needs to fix the

bridge/teeth first so the rest of what he does will 'fi t'. He is a real

craftsman I beleive when it comes to ones 'bite', jaw, and the fit of the teeth.

Oh why couldn't I have met HIM before the others that put all this garbage in my

mouth that doesn't even fit and ruined my jaw. The more metal went in my mouth

tho (the metal crowns) is when I began having FM symptoms, the weight gain, the

bad brain fog, not being able to sleep at night no matter what, etc. I really

do think thats all related, no question. Will it 'cure' me of all my ills? I

really don't know.

I did read on Klinghardts site some time ago that dead teeth can emit toxins,

that dental toxins can drain out the tonsils (mine were constantly infected as a

child and young adult until they came out at age 30), that metal pin was put in

at an early age, all that could have been the beginning of the imbalances that

caused my full blown cfs at 28. Thats the frustrating part, will we ever know

during this lifetime? Even those fortunate enough to make substantial recoveries

often still dont' know what the actual cause was and they did enough different

treatments they may not know exactly what helped or what combination of things

turned things around.

Anyway, it appears that this mess is gonna cost me at least 10k to 'patch'

things together and fix some of the previous mistakes done in my mouth, which

seems SO UNJUST to me. Most of this was caused by other dentists and now there

is no recourse to pay for the damage done to me so many years later. And too

sick to work for too many years. Insurance covers up to $1000 a year, a little

of this/that, but only 1/2 of crowns made of the cheapest materials at the

cheapest rate (not what you pay), so altho I'm grateful it will be some help,

its not going to make much of a dent in it.

What I'm wondering Rich and everyone else, if I can get my glutathione back up

(which may not happen with this much reactive metal in my mouth) and my coQ10

and aminos, will I be less reactive to these materials? As I can't afford to

replace all those crowns and do that right, then we'd be talking 20 to 30k and

thats just insane and not reality.

I get so overwhelmed with the scope of this problem and again broke down in

tears in the dentist office, not something I make a point of doing in public but

just cant' help it! They keep putting pressure on me to do things 'right'

(which of course is the right thing I suppose) but don't tell me how I'm

supposed to come up with the money and not go into debt and not have

food/medicine in my old age! This is going to be a VERY long drawn out process

(years) to get a lot of this out, I just hope I live long enough and it helps my

health enough to be worth the expense and the grief. There are no guarantee's

that it will make me feel better :-(

Sorry for the rant, will keep you posted as it progresses. If my heart

doesn't stop when I get their 'plan proposals'.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

What a mess! I just had a gold crown put in- it was fine, no reaction at all.

The dentist said it was probably the most benign substance I could put in my

mouth. I go to a mercury free dentist in San Diego. I also do okay with the

composites he uses. Two years ago though I was always nauseous for a couple of

days. My dentist said with the stuff they used to use inflammed gums were not

uncommon, they were so bad.

I just declared bankruptcy - that cleared up all those old credit card bills

from Cheney and car problems and teeth. I dont own anything they can take away

anyway - if you already poor and have really high dental bills then getting a

bunch of credit cards and then putting all this dental work on them and then

declaring bankruptcy might be a way to go.

Masland <lmas@...> wrote:

Marcia - I am going thru similar dental problems - and they are EXTREMELY

expensive. I am highly reactive (per the Peak Energy test, much like the

Clifford test) to a LOT of dental materials. I have many of bite issues (in

fact, I can't touch on any of my teeth except my left canines, have been

blending my food for almost two years now), and restorations have made my bite

even worse.

I have been told by numerous biologial dentists that porcelain is not good ,

overall, for highly reactive people (and for the reasons you mention). I seem to

do best on resin composite material (as long as it is used with cement and a

bonding agent that I can tolerate), like Prodigy. I also try to avoid flouride ,

which many of these products have in them, but that my dental compatability

test did not test for - so if you are sensitive to flouride (and it has MANY

health implications, esp if you have thyroid or bone problems, I think), then

you would have to call the individual dental material companies and try to get

them to release the ingredient info to you.

I also try to have the dentist preserve at least the edges of the tooth, so he

can put in an inlay of some sort, instead of filing down the top of the tooth

and putting on a crown (which heightens the risk of bite problems - but if I am

understanding your situation, you have no choice now but to go with the crowns)

Where is your current dentist located? I am looking for a dentist who is

biological and who is good with resolving bite issues.

I have had to get out loans specifically to cover all these dental expenses over

just the past few years, and this dental work will be going on for years, and

will probably exceed 30K. I have asked several dentists: is the foundation on

which all this work being done, solid? That is, I do not want all this work (and

money) going into teeth if the jawbone, etc is not rock solid. (I would go the

denture route instead - but this apparently is even worse when it comes to

creating additional bite problems). All have told me that my basic structure is

solid. (and they darn well better be right!)

Good luck to you with your dental work - would love to know where/who your

dentist is - thank you - les

Re: Dental visit

Well, I got my teeth cleaned at the merc free dentist yesterday and had

another 'go round' (and round and round) with the dentist. It always boils down

to money now.

We went over all the teeth again, he showed me the problems around my gums

with redness, swelling, angry inflammation probably because of the allergies to

all those metal crowns. The Gold crown is fine around it, but there are a total

of 11 crowns including the 4tooth bridge piece. Porcelain ones usually have

some kind of metal underneath them (for strength), so even they can be

problematic.

He studied my Clifford dental materials reactivity test very carefully. He

thinks at least 3 of those crowns (probably more) are made up of about 4 of

those metals I react badly to, which he said were pretty nasty metals they were

using when those were done (20+ or so yrs ago). The bridge I am definitely

allergic to as its made the gums infected and inflamed around it front and back

of those 4 teeth. So we agree that needs to come out. I told him I think I

should just rip the 4 teeth out and do a partial plate. Well, he said according

to my materials testing i'm also allergic to most the materials (plastics) that

they are made out of. He also swears it won't fit, will hurt and I won't wear

it. Am not allergic to materials for the soft ones, that 'are' comfy but also

don't bear weight well so they will wear away your bone in your jaw under it and

it won't last me 'for life'. He is very concerned about this. He has finally

admitted taking out the two middle teeth is good that

are dead (have been since I was about 10 yrs old), root canaled, have a short

root and one has a loooong metal pin in it that is also unknown metal. He'd

like to do implants (can you spell I " M NOT RICH) in those two and then anchor

another bridge piece, well, this is fraught with a lot of same probs as I

already have I won't bore you all with. They are going to come up with some

price lists for doing things different ways. I'm becoming more and more aware

that we can be reactive to all kinds of things in our mouth, NOT just mercury.

And this could be why some people don't get better from having merc out, if you

have other materials put in its place you may be reactive to, then you have not

solved a problem. I'm very concered that he needs to fix the 'bridge' mess

first while the broken leaking merc fillings are poisoning me in the meantime

but he needs to fix the bridge/teeth first so the rest of what he does will 'fi

t'. He is a real craftsman I beleive when it comes to ones

'bite', jaw, and the fit of the teeth. Oh why couldn't I have met HIM before

the others that put all this garbage in my mouth that doesn't even fit and

ruined my jaw. The more metal went in my mouth tho (the metal crowns) is when I

began having FM symptoms, the weight gain, the bad brain fog, not being able to

sleep at night no matter what, etc. I really do think thats all related, no

question. Will it 'cure' me of all my ills? I really don't know.

I did read on Klinghardts site some time ago that dead teeth can emit toxins,

that dental toxins can drain out the tonsils (mine were constantly infected as a

child and young adult until they came out at age 30), that metal pin was put in

at an early age, all that could have been the beginning of the imbalances that

caused my full blown cfs at 28. Thats the frustrating part, will we ever know

during this lifetime? Even those fortunate enough to make substantial recoveries

often still dont' know what the actual cause was and they did enough different

treatments they may not know exactly what helped or what combination of things

turned things around.

Anyway, it appears that this mess is gonna cost me at least 10k to 'patch'

things together and fix some of the previous mistakes done in my mouth, which

seems SO UNJUST to me. Most of this was caused by other dentists and now there

is no recourse to pay for the damage done to me so many years later. And too

sick to work for too many years. Insurance covers up to $1000 a year, a little

of this/that, but only 1/2 of crowns made of the cheapest materials at the

cheapest rate (not what you pay), so altho I'm grateful it will be some help,

its not going to make much of a dent in it.

What I'm wondering Rich and everyone else, if I can get my glutathione back up

(which may not happen with this much reactive metal in my mouth) and my coQ10

and aminos, will I be less reactive to these materials? As I can't afford to

replace all those crowns and do that right, then we'd be talking 20 to 30k and

thats just insane and not reality.

I get so overwhelmed with the scope of this problem and again broke down in

tears in the dentist office, not something I make a point of doing in public but

just cant' help it! They keep putting pressure on me to do things 'right'

(which of course is the right thing I suppose) but don't tell me how I'm

supposed to come up with the money and not go into debt and not have

food/medicine in my old age! This is going to be a VERY long drawn out process

(years) to get a lot of this out, I just hope I live long enough and it helps my

health enough to be worth the expense and the grief. There are no guarantee's

that it will make me feel better :-(

Sorry for the rant, will keep you posted as it progresses. If my heart

doesn't stop when I get their 'plan proposals'.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Congress recently passed a law changing one's ability to file

bankruptcy and the deadline for the ability to do it the old way is

soon, I've heard. I think from what I've read that you will no longer

be able to dump credit card debt. Don't get me started on the

government!

Helen

> Marcia - I am going thru similar dental problems - and they are

EXTREMELY expensive. I am highly reactive (per the Peak Energy test,

much like the Clifford test) to a LOT of dental materials. I have

many of bite issues (in fact, I can't touch on any of my teeth except

my left canines, have been blending my food for almost two years

now), and restorations have made my bite even worse.

> I have been told by numerous biologial dentists that porcelain is

not good , overall, for highly reactive people (and for the reasons

you mention). I seem to do best on resin composite material (as long

as it is used with cement and a bonding agent that I can tolerate),

like Prodigy. I also try to avoid flouride , which many of these

products have in them, but that my dental compatability test did not

test for - so if you are sensitive to flouride (and it has MANY

health implications, esp if you have thyroid or bone problems, I

think), then you would have to call the individual dental material

companies and try to get them to release the ingredient info to you.

> I also try to have the dentist preserve at least the edges of the

tooth, so he can put in an inlay of some sort, instead of filing down

the top of the tooth and putting on a crown (which heightens the risk

of bite problems - but if I am understanding your situation, you have

no choice now but to go with the crowns)

> Where is your current dentist located? I am looking for a dentist

who is biological and who is good with resolving bite issues.

> I have had to get out loans specifically to cover all these dental

expenses over just the past few years, and this dental work will be

going on for years, and will probably exceed 30K. I have asked

several dentists: is the foundation on which all this work being

done, solid? That is, I do not want all this work (and money) going

into teeth if the jawbone, etc is not rock solid. (I would go the

denture route instead - but this apparently is even worse when it

comes to creating additional bite problems). All have told me that my

basic structure is solid. (and they darn well better be right!)

> Good luck to you with your dental work - would love to know

where/who your dentist is - thank you - les

> Re: Dental visit

>

>

> Well, I got my teeth cleaned at the merc free dentist yesterday

and had another 'go round' (and round and round) with the dentist. It

always boils down to money now.

>

> We went over all the teeth again, he showed me the problems

around my gums with redness, swelling, angry inflammation probably

because of the allergies to all those metal crowns. The Gold crown is

fine around it, but there are a total of 11 crowns including the

4tooth bridge piece. Porcelain ones usually have some kind of metal

underneath them (for strength), so even they can be problematic.

>

> He studied my Clifford dental materials reactivity test very

carefully. He thinks at least 3 of those crowns (probably more) are

made up of about 4 of those metals I react badly to, which he said

were pretty nasty metals they were using when those were done (20+ or

so yrs ago). The bridge I am definitely allergic to as its made the

gums infected and inflamed around it front and back of those 4

teeth. So we agree that needs to come out. I told him I think I

should just rip the 4 teeth out and do a partial plate. Well, he said

according to my materials testing i'm also allergic to most the

materials (plastics) that they are made out of. He also swears it

won't fit, will hurt and I won't wear it. Am not allergic to

materials for the soft ones, that 'are' comfy but also don't bear

weight well so they will wear away your bone in your jaw under it and

it won't last me 'for life'. He is very concerned about this. He

has finally admitted taking out the two middle teeth is good that

> are dead (have been since I was about 10 yrs old), root canaled,

have a short root and one has a loooong metal pin in it that is also

unknown metal. He'd like to do implants (can you spell I " M NOT RICH)

in those two and then anchor another bridge piece, well, this is

fraught with a lot of same probs as I already have I won't bore you

all with. They are going to come up with some price lists for doing

things different ways. I'm becoming more and more aware that we can

be reactive to all kinds of things in our mouth, NOT just mercury.

And this could be why some people don't get better from having merc

out, if you have other materials put in its place you may be reactive

to, then you have not solved a problem. I'm very concered that he

needs to fix the 'bridge' mess first while the broken leaking merc

fillings are poisoning me in the meantime but he needs to fix the

bridge/teeth first so the rest of what he does will 'fi t'. He is a

real craftsman I beleive when it comes to ones

> 'bite', jaw, and the fit of the teeth. Oh why couldn't I have met

HIM before the others that put all this garbage in my mouth that

doesn't even fit and ruined my jaw. The more metal went in my mouth

tho (the metal crowns) is when I began having FM symptoms, the weight

gain, the bad brain fog, not being able to sleep at night no matter

what, etc. I really do think thats all related, no question. Will

it 'cure' me of all my ills? I really don't know.

>

> I did read on Klinghardts site some time ago that dead teeth can

emit toxins, that dental toxins can drain out the tonsils (mine were

constantly infected as a child and young adult until they came out at

age 30), that metal pin was put in at an early age, all that could

have been the beginning of the imbalances that caused my full blown

cfs at 28. Thats the frustrating part, will we ever know during this

lifetime? Even those fortunate enough to make substantial recoveries

often still dont' know what the actual cause was and they did enough

different treatments they may not know exactly what helped or what

combination of things turned things around.

>

> Anyway, it appears that this mess is gonna cost me at least 10k

to 'patch' things together and fix some of the previous mistakes done

in my mouth, which seems SO UNJUST to me. Most of this was caused by

other dentists and now there is no recourse to pay for the damage

done to me so many years later. And too sick to work for too many

years. Insurance covers up to $1000 a year, a little of this/that,

but only 1/2 of crowns made of the cheapest materials at the cheapest

rate (not what you pay), so altho I'm grateful it will be some help,

its not going to make much of a dent in it.

>

> What I'm wondering Rich and everyone else, if I can get my

glutathione back up (which may not happen with this much reactive

metal in my mouth) and my coQ10 and aminos, will I be less reactive

to these materials? As I can't afford to replace all those crowns and

do that right, then we'd be talking 20 to 30k and thats just insane

and not reality.

>

> I get so overwhelmed with the scope of this problem and again

broke down in tears in the dentist office, not something I make a

point of doing in public but just cant' help it! They keep putting

pressure on me to do things 'right' (which of course is the right

thing I suppose) but don't tell me how I'm supposed to come up with

the money and not go into debt and not have food/medicine in my old

age! This is going to be a VERY long drawn out process (years) to get

a lot of this out, I just hope I live long enough and it helps my

health enough to be worth the expense and the grief. There are no

guarantee's that it will make me feel better :-(

>

> Sorry for the rant, will keep you posted as it progresses. If my

heart doesn't stop when I get their 'plan proposals'.

>

> Marcia

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for such a complete report, Marcia - and good luck!

It's true that porcelain crowns usually have metal underneath them

for strength - but there are ways to make crowns without metal. The

crowns won't be as strong (no more popcorn old maids) but there's a

better chance your body will be strong.

Yeah, for most people it doesn't make a difference. But my doc and my

dentist both tell me that for folks who've had as much trouble as we

have, the likelihood of our handling metal well is small.

The plan your dentist has laid out sounds good. Except for the

implants. They're usually, metal, usually titanium. And that usually

shows up OK on Cliffords tests. But when it is *embedded in bone* the

immune system can get really upset. Even though these are front teeth

you're talking about, I'd be very wary of implants. I've heard of too

many people who could only get well after they were removed.

Don't take my word for it. Look on the web; look in books by Hal

Huggins and others on the same library shelf; talk to other merc-free

dentists if you can.

I don't remember if I said this before. If I did, forgive me for

harping on it. I'll be quiet now.

Whatever you decide, good luck! It's a long road ahead, not what

you'd hoped for, but you'll get through it.

Take care. -Lynn

[Guest guest]

Marcia wrote:

> Anyway, it appears that this mess is gonna cost me at least 10k to

> 'patch' things together and fix some of the previous mistakes done in

> my mouth, which seems SO UNJUST to me. ...

> What I'm wondering Rich and everyone else, if I can get my glutathione

> back up (which may not happen with this much reactive metal in my

> mouth) and my coQ10 and aminos, will I be less reactive to these

> materials? As I can't afford to replace all those crowns and do that

> right, then we'd be talking 20 to 30k and thats just insane and not

> reality.

I really sympathize with your situation, Marcia! But before you start

paying big money for all of this, have you tried any topicals? I have

had very good luck with eliminating the red puffy gums around my

porcelain-on-grey-metal crowns just by using Life Extension toothpaste

(www.lef.org). It has CoQ10 in it, as well as a host of other things,

and using it with a Sonicare toothbrush really turned my mouth around.

(Now THAT'S a weird mental image! ;@) You could also try buying CoQ10

gel caps and puncturing one with a pin to squirt on the gumline and work

in with a clean finger.

--

el (andreafrankel at sbcglobal dot net)

" wake now! Discover that YOU are the song that the morning brings... "

[Guest guest]

>

> I have a dental appointment coming up on Monday (which I am not

really looking forward to).

>

> I do not floss anymore. Instead of using mouthwash, I rinse my

mouth with H202 (half mixed with water) twice a day. I also used

's brand of toothpaste.

>

> How do I handle the above items during my visit? They use a

toothpaste which I don't know what kind it is but I find it to be

very griddy. I also do not let them use floride.

==>You can take your H202 rinse with you to use and/or also your

toothpaste and insist on them being used.

>

> Is there anything that I should / should not do?

==>I wouldn't let them pick at my gums or clean my teeth. This diet

and H202 with water will do a great job of cleaning. Picking at

your gums injures them.

Bee

[Guest guest]

What should I tell the reason why I don't want the cleaning & etc.

done?

Thanks!!

Lynn

> >

> > I have a dental appointment coming up on Monday (which I am not

> really looking forward to).

> >

> > I do not floss anymore. Instead of using mouthwash, I rinse my

> mouth with H202 (half mixed with water) twice a day. I also used

> 's brand of toothpaste.

> >

> > How do I handle the above items during my visit? They use a

> toothpaste which I don't know what kind it is but I find it to be

> very griddy. I also do not let them use floride.

>

> ==>You can take your H202 rinse with you to use and/or also your

> toothpaste and insist on them being used.

> >

> > Is there anything that I should / should not do?

>

> ==>I wouldn't let them pick at my gums or clean my teeth. This

diet

> and H202 with water will do a great job of cleaning. Picking at

> your gums injures them.

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> What should I tell the reason why I don't want the cleaning & etc.

> done?

>

> Thanks!!

==>They serve you, not the other way around, so you shouldn't have to

give any explanation at all. But you can just say you'll call later

about setting up cleaning appointments. Explain to your dentist

during examination that you don't want your gums injured at all.

I hope it helps you deal with it Lynn.

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

I really shouldn't go to the dentist for cleanings, x-rays, &

examinations? The only time would be if I had a problem i.e. tooth

ache, etc. At the same time, continue with the diet & supplements.

I think that I got it right now.

Thanks!

Lynn

> >

> > What should I tell the reason why I don't want the cleaning &

etc.

> > done?

> >

> > Thanks!!

>

> ==>They serve you, not the other way around, so you shouldn't have

to

> give any explanation at all. But you can just say you'll call

later

> about setting up cleaning appointments. Explain to your dentist

> during examination that you don't want your gums injured at all.

>

> I hope it helps you deal with it Lynn.

>

> Luv, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I really shouldn't go to the dentist for cleanings, x-rays, &

> examinations? The only time would be if I had a problem i.e.

toothache, etc. At the same time, continue with the diet &

supplements.

==>Yes, you've got it Lynn! In fact, if you have a toothache they

would just give you antibiotics, but you can handle it with natural

stuff. In my opinion dentists are dangerous for our health.

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

In my opinion dentists are dangerous for our health.

Bee,

All of my adult sons have been told they need impacted wisdom teeth

taken out because they will get infected - the same with a tooth

that " needs " a root canal. I've been troubled about this for a long

time as we and they don't have dental insurance and am wondering if

there are alternatives? As far as the wisdom teeth go, the x-rays do

show them laying sideways in the gums and my sons have all experienced

much pain with these. What alternatives are there to root canals? Pull

the tooth?

Thanks for any help or direction you can send.

Anita

[Guest guest]

> Bee, All of my adult sons have been told they need impacted wisdom

teeth taken out because they will get infected - the same with a

tooth that " needs " a root canal. I've been troubled about this for a

long time as we and they don't have dental insurance and am

wondering if

there are alternatives? As far as the wisdom teeth go, the x-rays

do

show them laying sideways in the gums and my sons have all

experienced much pain with these. What alternatives are there to

root canals? Pull the tooth? Thanks for any help or direction you

can send.

==>Anita, impacted wisdom teeth need to be removed because there

isn't enough room in the jaw to accommodate them. Root canals must

be avoided at all costs. Even my boss had to have all of his

removed because they rotted underneath and were causing pain,

infection and damage to his jaw. Alternatives are bridges &

partials.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> what do i do when i have to go to the dentist & need novacain for

pain. i

> need a cavity filled!! should i NOT TAKE LDN THE NIGHT BEFORE I GO?

>

> marshiris

I believe dentists use Lidocaine these days rather than Novacaine.

Either way, do you really want your teeth drilled without a local

anesthetic? If you're taking your LDN the night before, it probably

wouldn't effect the Lidocaine much, if at all.

Art

[Guest guest]

Hi,I spike had all my steel drilled out and had no problem with novacain,5 appointments 21 amalgams gone.

low dose naltrexone From: rtee54@...Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:39:43 +0000Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: DENTAL VISIT

>> what do i do when i have to go to the dentist & need novacain for pain. i > need a cavity filled!! should i NOT TAKE LDN THE NIGHT BEFORE I GO?> > marshirisI believe dentists use Lidocaine these days rather than Novacaine. Either way, do you really want your teeth drilled without a local anesthetic? If you're taking your LDN the night before, it probably wouldn't effect the Lidocaine much, if at all.Art Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it!

[Guest guest]

RTEE - thanx for the info!! u're right; i think they do use lidocaine these days!! and...i've NEVER had local anesthetic for dental work of any kind!!

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SPIKE - thanx for that testimony about novacaine and the use of LDN!! glad it doesn't have any negative effects!! i know u're better for having those fillings removed!!

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