Re: OT: out of frustration OT

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Hi i have been on anx it will be a year august 15th, when i was diagnosed i wasnt able to walk or talk, & the pain was so bad that i welcomed death, well its been a long journey, when i 1st started the anx therapy when i would go thru the herx i didnt even reconize it. Now i cvan cuz i've had alot of good days but still alot of bad days! I saw my lyme Dr may 22 & i was very sick the day i saw him, so he increased my doxy to 300mg twice daily & put me on amoxil 1500mg twice a day. Well i have been herxing pretty bad for about a month, old symptoms are coming back with a vengence, I'm in bed most of the day cuz the pain is horrible again & i'm very tired & sleep alot!!! Can anyone give me some feedback on their atx use....greatly appreciate it..........Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:46 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration

Hi Marie,

Just remember that the dance of Lyme is a two-step: two steps forward, one step back. Many of us at the second part, the one step back, think what we've been doing has failed and that may not be the case.

Marc Fett, over at Lymestrategies (S & C, which is one of my manistays) speaks of how important methodical, consistent protocols are. On this roller-coaster, up or down matters less than simply persisting, hanging on tight, on whatever path has helped in the past, even if it doesn't feel like progress in the present. Perceived failure is almost guaranteed, so it's good to see if you can change your perspective and look for the hidden pattern of the two-step.

I'm not sure I'm clearly understanding your reference to antibiotics. Generally, with chronic Lyme, they give a false sense of improvement, while allowing much of the infection to go into hiding where it can wait you out and come back later, five-fold. ABX also sabotage the gut, which is your immune system, so I'd give the other things you've tried more attention. Some of the most effective things take a very long time to make any difference at all, but at least they don't sabotage the gut or merely postpone the infection to a later time.

Take heart, dear, kindly Marie. I know how very hard you have worked and I believe your reward will come.

Be well,

Léna

Hi Everyonne ,

I am piling up frustration as I pile up the treatment and gets nowhere except temporary releive.

It makes me feels like a gynee pig in tis weel .. in hi scage running faster and faster as the wheel .

Speding my time in treatments after two years is not acceptable to me patience needs to give place to censible decision and thinking .

10 seconds of rife the second year f riffing i tis nto good .

S

So I make a list of everyhting that has been doin gsome good to me to see what I can do with it in a diffrent way .

One of theses treatment I had a good result bu ttmporary is the KIB 500. I was much better for 2 weeks then th ebenefit beganto decline until on emonth and half after it was gone .

it was quite remarquable what it di dto me and I dropped it because it was temporary . But when I compare to any other treatment everythign is temporary and if we stopp it we go back into our misery, rife , MMS, silver , ozone , abx, andthis did much mor ein one series than anyother did for me that I can afford . So I think it is not sensible to rule otu this because it is knew

and temporary when everything else need much more time of use to give its result ansthis one gave me on one serie a much better outcome than anything else in the same time . And a sensible approach would be to do it at least as long as antibiody and alittl ebi tmore as it is not wellknown .

Here is my thought . And I am going to pass everything I have been doing like this thinking of it in a different perspective . I hope I will be able to open the door of this prison like desease .

Kindly Marie

[Guest guest]

HI Darla,

I am very sorry to hear you are at suche a backward point of your fight against lyme. We give up on ABX here because of it s uneffectivity and the cysting effct of ABX on the desease .

The good new is that you landed at the right place here .WE uses the rife machine and other protocols we pile up a few and push back slowly the desease . I was paralysed now I am not anymor eexcept for my gut as you read I am still struggling on the battle field of healing.

cysting ? this is why we do nto uses abx here : the spirotech spot a threat the abx and cutt itself in little pieces up to 5 thses pieces we call it cyst andit is in fact nests they reprocuses itself up to 8 time in the cysts and awake when the environement is again favorable to them with ... 5*8= up to 40 time more spiros than to began with . not good . we drop the abx here asap as we canbecause we have a better tool even more effective the rife machine that vibrate to death the bacteria withotu triggerring the defense mecanisme. for neur symptoms I bought the coil machine as it is the only one capable of going throught the bone for getting to the neurvous syteme.

may I suggest you to post again with a mo reprecise subject to attract the atetntion of everyonne as we select sometime our reading so you can get the most help you need .

for the pain we uses the DMSO cheap and effective on the skin andthe detox remove the apin I uses the colonics and colema coffee aenma as weel as the basorbant welchol i found th emost effective for me the absorbant is a must as to stop the lilling up of the toxines throught the reabsorbtion ny the neurone in the gut of what the liver laboriously manged to expell throught our bile .ther eare other absorbers less expesnive thatworks for other clay charcoal that constiate so it is impossibel for me and lgucomannan chlorella

Hoping you find your way out very soon .

Thank you for sharing

Marie

To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:43 AMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

Hi i have been on anx it will be a year august 15th, when i was diagnosed i wasnt able to walk or talk, & the pain was so bad that i welcomed death, well its been a long journey, when i 1st started the anx therapy when i would go thru the herx i didnt even reconize it. Now i cvan cuz i've had alot of good days but still alot of bad days! I saw my lyme Dr may 22 & i was very sick the day i saw him, so he increased my doxy to 300mg twice daily & put me on amoxil 1500mg twice a day. Well i have been herxing pretty bad for about a month, old symptoms are coming back with a vengence, I'm in bed most of the day cuz the pain is horrible again & i'm very tired & sleep alot!!! Can anyone give me some feedback on their atx use....greatly appreciate it..........Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:46 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration

Hi Marie, Just remember that the dance of Lyme is a two-step: two steps forward, one step back. Many of us at the second part, the one step back, think what we've been doing has failed and that may not be the case.

Marc Fett, over at Lymestrategies (S & C, which is one of my manistays) speaks of how important methodical, consistent protocols are. On this roller-coaster, up or down matters less than simply persisting, hanging on tight, on whatever path has helped in the past, even if it doesn't feel like progress in the present. Perceived failure is almost guaranteed, so it's good to see if you can change your perspective and look for the hidden pattern of the two-step.

I'm not sure I'm clearly understanding your reference to antibiotics. Generally, with chronic Lyme, they give a false sense of improvement, while allowing much of the infection to go into hiding where it can wait you out and come back later, five-fold. ABX also sabotage the gut, which is your immune system, so I'd give the other things you've tried more attention. Some of the most effective things take a very long time to make any difference at all, but at least they don't sabotage the gut or merely postpone the infection to a later time.

Take heart, dear, kindly Marie. I know how very hard you have worked and I believe your reward will come.

Be well,

Léna

Hi Everyonne ,

I am piling up frustration as I pile up the treatment and gets nowhere except temporary releive.

It makes me feels like a gynee pig in tis weel .. in hi scage running faster and faster as the wheel .

Speding my time in treatments after two years is not acceptable to me patience needs to give place to censible decision and thinking .

10 seconds of rife the second year f riffing i tis nto good .

S

So I make a list of everyhting that has been doin gsome good to me to see what I can do with it in a diffrent way .

One of theses treatment I had a good result bu ttmporary is the KIB 500. I was much better for 2 weeks then th ebenefit beganto decline until on emonth and half after it was gone .

it was quite remarquable what it di dto me and I dropped it because it was temporary . But when I compare to any other treatment everythign is temporary and if we stopp it we go back into our misery, rife , MMS, silver , ozone , abx, andthis did much mor ein one series than anyother did for me that I can afford . So I think it is not sensible to rule otu this because it is knew

and temporary when everything else need much more time of use to give its result ansthis one gave me on one serie a much better outcome than anything else in the same time . And a sensible approach would be to do it at least as long as antibiody and alittl ebi tmore as it is not wellknown .

Here is my thought . And I am going to pass everything I have been doing like this thinking of it in a different perspective . I hope I will be able to open the door of this prison like desease .

Kindly Marie

[Guest guest]

Hi Darla,No matter what else you do, I hope you're doing conscientious DETOX. It's not enough to clean house, one must take out the trash or the house will still be unliveable. What are your detoxing strategies at this time?Be well,Léna

Hi i have been on anx it will be a year august 15th, when i was diagnosed i wasnt able to walk or talk, & the pain was so bad that i welcomed death, well its been a long journey, when i 1st started the anx therapy when i would go thru the herx i didnt even reconize it. Now i cvan cuz i've had alot of good days but still alot of bad days! I saw my lyme Dr may 22 & i was very sick the day i saw him, so he increased my doxy to 300mg twice daily & put me on amoxil 1500mg twice a day. Well i have been herxing pretty bad for about a month, old symptoms are coming back with a vengence, I'm in bed most of the day cuz the pain is horrible again & i'm very tired & sleep alot!!! Can anyone give me some feedback on their atx use....greatly appreciate it..........Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:46 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration

Hi Marie,

Just remember that the dance of Lyme is a two-step: two steps forward, one step back. Many of us at the second part, the one step back, think what we've been doing has failed and that may not be the case.

Marc Fett, over at Lymestrategies (S & C, which is one of my manistays) speaks of how important methodical, consistent protocols are. On this roller-coaster, up or down matters less than simply persisting, hanging on tight, on whatever path has helped in the past, even if it doesn't feel like progress in the present. Perceived failure is almost guaranteed, so it's good to see if you can change your perspective and look for the hidden pattern of the two-step.

I'm not sure I'm clearly understanding your reference to antibiotics. Generally, with chronic Lyme, they give a false sense of improvement, while allowing much of the infection to go into hiding where it can wait you out and come back later, five-fold. ABX also sabotage the gut, which is your immune system, so I'd give the other things you've tried more attention. Some of the most effective things take a very long time to make any difference at all, but at least they don't sabotage the gut or merely postpone the infection to a later time.

Take heart, dear, kindly Marie. I know how very hard you have worked and I believe your reward will come.

Be well,

Léna

Hi Everyonne ,

I am piling up frustration as I pile up the treatment and gets nowhere except temporary releive.

It makes me feels like a gynee pig in tis weel .. in hi scage running faster and faster as the wheel .

Speding my time in treatments after two years is not acceptable to me patience needs to give place to censible decision and thinking .

10 seconds of rife the second year f riffing i tis nto good .

S

So I make a list of everyhting that has been doin gsome good to me to see what I can do with it in a diffrent way .

One of theses treatment I had a good result bu ttmporary is the KIB 500. I was much better for 2 weeks then th ebenefit beganto decline until on emonth and half after it was gone .

it was quite remarquable what it di dto me and I dropped it because it was temporary . But when I compare to any other treatment everythign is temporary and if we stopp it we go back into our misery, rife , MMS, silver , ozone , abx, andthis did much mor ein one series than anyother did for me that I can afford . So I think it is not sensible to rule otu this because it is knew

and temporary when everything else need much more time of use to give its result ansthis one gave me on one serie a much better outcome than anything else in the same time . And a sensible approach would be to do it at least as long as antibiody and alittl ebi tmore as it is not wellknown .

Here is my thought . And I am going to pass everything I have been doing like this thinking of it in a different perspective . I hope I will be able to open the door of this prison like desease .

Kindly Marie

[Guest guest]

Hi Lena, no i dont detox, idk what to use can you give me some suggestions?? Thanks....best regards...Darla To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:07 AM Subject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

Hi Darla,No matter what else you do, I hope you're doing conscientious DETOX. It's not enough to clean house, one must take out the trash or the house will still be unliveable. What are your detoxing strategies at this time?Be well,Léna

Hi i have been on anx it will be a year august 15th, when i was diagnosed i wasnt able to walk or talk, & the pain was so bad that i welcomed death, well its been a long journey, when i 1st started the anx therapy when i would go thru the herx i didnt even reconize it. Now i cvan cuz i've had alot of good days but still alot of bad days! I saw my lyme Dr may 22 & i was very sick the day i saw him, so he increased my doxy to 300mg twice daily & put me on amoxil 1500mg twice a day. Well i have been herxing pretty bad for about a month, old symptoms are coming back with a vengence, I'm in bed most of the day cuz the pain is horrible again & i'm very tired & sleep alot!!! Can anyone give

me some feedback on their atx use....greatly appreciate it..........Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:46 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration

Hi Marie,

Just remember that the dance of Lyme is a two-step: two steps forward, one step back. Many of us at the second part, the one step back, think what we've been doing has failed and that may not be the case.

Marc Fett, over at Lymestrategies (S & C, which is one of my manistays) speaks of how important methodical, consistent protocols are. On this roller-coaster, up or down matters less than simply persisting, hanging on tight, on whatever path has helped in the past, even if it doesn't feel like progress in the present. Perceived failure is almost guaranteed, so it's good to see if you can change your perspective and look for the hidden pattern of the two-step.

I'm not sure I'm clearly understanding your reference to antibiotics. Generally, with chronic Lyme, they give a false sense of improvement, while allowing much of the infection to go into hiding where it can wait you out and come back later, five-fold. ABX also sabotage the gut, which is your immune system, so I'd give the other things you've tried more attention. Some of the most effective things take a very long time to make any difference at all, but at least they don't sabotage the gut or merely postpone the infection to a later time.

Take heart, dear, kindly Marie. I know how very hard you have worked and I believe your reward will come.

Be well,

Léna

Hi Everyonne ,

I am piling up frustration as I pile up the treatment and gets nowhere except temporary releive.

It makes me feels like a gynee pig in tis weel .. in hi scage running faster and faster as the wheel .

Speding my time in treatments after two years is not acceptable to me patience needs to give place to censible decision and thinking .

10 seconds of rife the second year f riffing i tis nto good .

S

So I make a list of everyhting that has been doin gsome good to me to see what I can do with it in a diffrent way .

One of theses treatment I had a good result bu ttmporary is the KIB 500. I was much better for 2 weeks then th ebenefit beganto decline until on emonth and half after it was gone .

it was quite remarquable what it di dto me and I dropped it because it was temporary . But when I compare to any other treatment everythign is temporary and if we stopp it we go back into our misery, rife , MMS, silver , ozone , abx, andthis did much mor ein one series than anyother did for me that I can afford . So I think it is not sensible to rule otu this because it is knew

and temporary when everything else need much more time of use to give its result ansthis one gave me on one serie a much better outcome than anything else in the same time . And a sensible approach would be to do it at least as long as antibiody and alittl ebi tmore as it is not wellknown .

Here is my thought . And I am going to pass everything I have been doing like this thinking of it in a different perspective . I hope I will be able to open the door of this prison like desease .

Kindly Marie

[Guest guest]

Hi Darla,I agree with others that for chronic Lyme (not recently bitten) abx only postpones the disease, and perhaps enables it to multiply in dormancy. I'm also shocked that doctors aren't aware of the necessity of detoxing what's killed. Dead pathogens produce toxins that can be as harmful to you and as debilitating as the pathogens themselves.Helpful detox: drinking half your body weight in oz per day of good water (but stay alert to how this could flush out electrolytes), taking French Green Clay or Bentonite(google these) to bind and eliminate toxins, doing far infrared sauna, dry brushing ((google this; it moves the lymph) epsom salt baths, or coffee enemas, which stimulate the liver to dump toxins. If the 'ick' factor of that repels you check this out.

There are other great ways to detox which I'm sure people will share.Detox will lessen the time and intensity of herxes and keep toxin overload from damaging your organs. Also,I use Source Natural's K-Mag KG which is an excellent mopper of ammonia in the brain. It has helped my brain-fog and negativity tremendously. Also, Lithium Orotate is very helpful for mental balance as so much negativity comes from the toxins in the brain.Keep reading this group, and also go to: lymestrategies S & C is a tremendous protocol: Proven very effective and the folks there are very knowledgeable, as are the folks here. S & C causes the pathogens to go into osmotic shock. It doens't encyst them as abx do and has a host of other nutritional benefits to the body that help immune function cardio-vascular health, etc. If you join this site, scroll down the left sidebar to 'links' then scroll down to #006., which is a thumbnail of exactly how to do this protocol. Follow it carefully. It works. My two main protocols are Rife, S & C, assorted supplements, methodical detox, and after 45+ years of Lyme, I'm 90% back to normal.Be well,Léna

Hi Lena, no i dont detox, idk what to use can you give me some suggestions?? Thanks....best regards...Darla To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:07 AM Subject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

Hi Darla,No matter what else you do, I hope you're doing conscientious DETOX. It's not enough to clean house, one must take out the trash or the house will still be unliveable. What are your detoxing strategies at this time?Be well,Léna

Hi i have been on anx it will be a year august 15th, when i was diagnosed i wasnt able to walk or talk, & the pain was so bad that i welcomed death, well its been a long journey, when i 1st started the anx therapy when i would go thru the herx i didnt even reconize it. Now i cvan cuz i've had alot of good days but still alot of bad days! I saw my lyme Dr may 22 & i was very sick the day i saw him, so he increased my doxy to 300mg twice daily & put me on amoxil 1500mg twice a day. Well i have been herxing pretty bad for about a month, old symptoms are coming back with a vengence, I'm in bed most of the day cuz the pain is horrible again & i'm very tired & sleep alot!!! Can anyone give

me some feedback on their atx use....greatly appreciate it..........Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:46 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration

Hi Marie,

Just remember that the dance of Lyme is a two-step: two steps forward, one step back. Many of us at the second part, the one step back, think what we've been doing has failed and that may not be the case.

Marc Fett, over at Lymestrategies (S & C, which is one of my manistays) speaks of how important methodical, consistent protocols are. On this roller-coaster, up or down matters less than simply persisting, hanging on tight, on whatever path has helped in the past, even if it doesn't feel like progress in the present. Perceived failure is almost guaranteed, so it's good to see if you can change your perspective and look for the hidden pattern of the two-step.

I'm not sure I'm clearly understanding your reference to antibiotics. Generally, with chronic Lyme, they give a false sense of improvement, while allowing much of the infection to go into hiding where it can wait you out and come back later, five-fold. ABX also sabotage the gut, which is your immune system, so I'd give the other things you've tried more attention. Some of the most effective things take a very long time to make any difference at all, but at least they don't sabotage the gut or merely postpone the infection to a later time.

Take heart, dear, kindly Marie. I know how very hard you have worked and I believe your reward will come.

Be well,

Léna

Hi Everyonne ,

I am piling up frustration as I pile up the treatment and gets nowhere except temporary releive.

It makes me feels like a gynee pig in tis weel .. in hi scage running faster and faster as the wheel .

Speding my time in treatments after two years is not acceptable to me patience needs to give place to censible decision and thinking .

10 seconds of rife the second year f riffing i tis nto good .

S

So I make a list of everyhting that has been doin gsome good to me to see what I can do with it in a diffrent way .

One of theses treatment I had a good result bu ttmporary is the KIB 500. I was much better for 2 weeks then th ebenefit beganto decline until on emonth and half after it was gone .

it was quite remarquable what it di dto me and I dropped it because it was temporary . But when I compare to any other treatment everythign is temporary and if we stopp it we go back into our misery, rife , MMS, silver , ozone , abx, andthis did much mor ein one series than anyother did for me that I can afford . So I think it is not sensible to rule otu this because it is knew

and temporary when everything else need much more time of use to give its result ansthis one gave me on one serie a much better outcome than anything else in the same time . And a sensible approach would be to do it at least as long as antibiody and alittl ebi tmore as it is not wellknown .

Here is my thought . And I am going to pass everything I have been doing like this thinking of it in a different perspective . I hope I will be able to open the door of this prison like desease .

Kindly Marie

[Guest guest]

Hi Darla ,

coffe aenma colema na dcolonics not alot of fun but it works

you need a toxine absorber as well glumanan cholestyramin or welchol i tis absolutly necessary to deto Darla

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife <Lyme_and_Rife >; lymestrategies Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:16 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

Hi Darla,

I agree with others that for chronic Lyme (not recently bitten) abx only postpones the disease, and perhaps enables it to multiply in dormancy. I'm also shocked that doctors aren't aware of the necessity of detoxing what's killed. Dead pathogens produce toxins that can be as harmful to you and as debilitating as the pathogens themselves.

Helpful detox: drinking half your body weight in oz per day of good water (but stay alert to how this could flush out electrolytes), taking French Green Clay or Bentonite(google these) to bind and eliminate toxins, doing far infrared sauna, dry brushing ((google this; it moves the lymph) epsom salt baths, or coffee enemas, which stimulate the liver to dump toxins. If the 'ick' factor of that repels you check this out.

There are other great ways to detox which I'm sure people will share.

Detox will lessen the time and intensity of herxes and keep toxin overload from damaging your organs. Also,I use Source Natural's K-Mag KG which is an excellent mopper of ammonia in the brain. It has helped my brain-fog and negativity tremendously. Also, Lithium Orotate is very helpful for mental balance as so much negativity comes from the toxins in the brain.

Keep reading this group, and also go to:

lymestrategies

S & C is a tremendous protocol: Proven very effective and the folks there are very knowledgeable, as are the folks here. S & C causes the pathogens to go into osmotic shock. It doens't encyst them as abx do and has a host of other nutritional benefits to the body that help immune function cardio-vascular health, etc. If you join this site, scroll down the left sidebar to 'links' then scroll down to #006., which is a thumbnail of exactly how to do this protocol. Follow it carefully. It works. My two main protocols are Rife, S & C, assorted supplements, methodical detox, and after 45+ years of Lyme, I'm 90% back to normal.

Be well,

Léna

Hi Lena, no i dont detox, idk what to use can you give me some suggestions?? Thanks....best regards...Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:07 AMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

Hi Darla,

No matter what else you do, I hope you're doing conscientious DETOX. It's not enough to clean house, one must take out the trash or the house will still be unliveable. What are your detoxing strategies at this time?

Be well,

Léna

Hi i have been on anx it will be a year august 15th, when i was diagnosed i wasnt able to walk or talk, & the pain was so bad that i welcomed death, well its been a long journey, when i 1st started the anx therapy when i would go thru the herx i didnt even reconize it. Now i cvan cuz i've had alot of good days but still alot of bad days! I saw my lyme Dr may 22 & i was very sick the day i saw him, so he increased my doxy to 300mg twice daily & put me on amoxil 1500mg twice a day. Well i have been herxing pretty bad for about a month, old symptoms are coming back with a vengence, I'm in bed most of the day cuz the pain is horrible again & i'm very tired & sleep alot!!! Can anyone give me some feedback on their atx use....greatly appreciate it..........Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:46 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration

Hi Marie, Just remember that the dance of Lyme is a two-step: two steps forward, one step back. Many of us at the second part, the one step back, think what we've been doing has failed and that may not be the case.

Marc Fett, over at Lymestrategies (S & C, which is one of my manistays) speaks of how important methodical, consistent protocols are. On this roller-coaster, up or down matters less than simply persisting, hanging on tight, on whatever path has helped in the past, even if it doesn't feel like progress in the present. Perceived failure is almost guaranteed, so it's good to see if you can change your perspective and look for the hidden pattern of the two-step.

I'm not sure I'm clearly understanding your reference to antibiotics. Generally, with chronic Lyme, they give a false sense of improvement, while allowing much of the infection to go into hiding where it can wait you out and come back later, five-fold. ABX also sabotage the gut, which is your immune system, so I'd give the other things you've tried more attention. Some of the most effective things take a very long time to make any difference at all, but at least they don't sabotage the gut or merely postpone the infection to a later time.

Take heart, dear, kindly Marie. I know how very hard you have worked and I believe your reward will come.

Be well,

Léna

Hi Everyonne ,

I am piling up frustration as I pile up the treatment and gets nowhere except temporary releive.

It makes me feels like a gynee pig in tis weel .. in hi scage running faster and faster as the wheel .

Speding my time in treatments after two years is not acceptable to me patience needs to give place to censible decision and thinking .

10 seconds of rife the second year f riffing i tis nto good .

S

So I make a list of everyhting that has been doin gsome good to me to see what I can do with it in a diffrent way .

One of theses treatment I had a good result bu ttmporary is the KIB 500. I was much better for 2 weeks then th ebenefit beganto decline until on emonth and half after it was gone .

it was quite remarquable what it di dto me and I dropped it because it was temporary . But when I compare to any other treatment everythign is temporary and if we stopp it we go back into our misery, rife , MMS, silver , ozone , abx, andthis did much mor ein one series than anyother did for me that I can afford . So I think it is not sensible to rule otu this because it is knew

and temporary when everything else need much more time of use to give its result ansthis one gave me on one serie a much better outcome than anything else in the same time . And a sensible approach would be to do it at least as long as antibiody and alittl ebi tmore as it is not wellknown .

Here is my thought . And I am going to pass everything I have been doing like this thinking of it in a different perspective . I hope I will be able to open the door of this prison like desease .

Kindly Marie

[Guest guest]

hi lena,did you have any co infections? if so, which ones and what did you do with them?barbara

 

Hi Darla ,

 coffe aenma colema na dcolonics not alot of fun but it works

you need a toxine absorber as well glumanan cholestyramin or welchol i tis absolutly necessary to deto Darla

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife <Lyme_and_Rife >; lymestrategies

Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:16 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

Hi Darla,

I agree with others that for chronic Lyme (not recently bitten) abx only postpones the disease, and perhaps enables it to multiply in dormancy. I'm also shocked that doctors aren't aware of the necessity of detoxing what's killed. Dead pathogens produce toxins that can be as harmful to you and as debilitating as the pathogens themselves.

Helpful detox: drinking half your body weight in oz per day of good water (but stay alert to how this could flush out electrolytes), taking French Green Clay or Bentonite(google these) to bind and eliminate toxins, doing far infrared sauna, dry brushing ((google this; it moves the lymph) epsom salt baths, or coffee enemas, which stimulate the liver to dump toxins. If the 'ick' factor of that repels you check this out.

There are other great ways to detox which I'm sure people will share.

Detox will lessen the time and intensity of herxes and keep toxin overload from damaging your organs. Also,I use Source Natural's K-Mag KG which is an excellent mopper of ammonia in the brain. It has helped my brain-fog and negativity tremendously. Also, Lithium Orotate is very helpful for mental balance as so much negativity comes from the toxins in the brain.

Keep reading this group, and also go to: 

lymestrategies

S & C is a tremendous protocol: Proven very effective and the folks there are very knowledgeable, as are the folks here. S & C causes the pathogens to go into osmotic shock. It doens't encyst them as abx do and has a host of other nutritional benefits to the body that help immune function cardio-vascular health, etc. If you join this site, scroll down the left sidebar to 'links' then scroll down to #006., which is a thumbnail of exactly how to do this protocol. Follow it carefully. It works. My two main protocols are Rife, S & C, assorted supplements, methodical detox, and after 45+ years of Lyme, I'm 90% back to normal.

Be well,

Léna

 

Hi Lena, no i dont detox, idk what to use can you give me some suggestions?? Thanks....best regards...Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

 

Hi Darla,

No matter what else you do, I hope you're doing conscientious DETOX. It's not enough to clean house, one must take out the trash or the house will still be unliveable. What are your detoxing strategies at this time?

Be well,

Léna

 

Hi i have been on anx it will be a year august 15th, when i was diagnosed i wasnt able to walk or talk, & the pain was so bad that i welcomed death, well its been a long journey, when i 1st started the anx therapy when i would go thru the herx i didnt even reconize it. Now i cvan cuz i've had alot of good days but still alot of bad days! I saw my lyme Dr may 22 & i was very sick the day i saw him, so he increased my doxy to 300mg twice daily & put me on amoxil 1500mg twice a day. Well i have been herxing pretty bad for about a month, old symptoms are coming back with a vengence, I'm in bed most of the day cuz the pain is horrible again & i'm very tired & sleep alot!!! Can anyone give me some feedback on their atx use....greatly appreciate it..........Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:46 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration

 

Hi Marie, Just remember that the dance of Lyme is a two-step: two steps forward, one step back. Many of us at the second part, the one step back, think what we've been doing has failed and that may not be the case. 

Marc Fett, over at Lymestrategies (S & C, which is one of my manistays) speaks of how important methodical, consistent protocols are. On this roller-coaster, up or down matters less than simply persisting, hanging on tight, on whatever path has helped in the past, even if it doesn't feel like progress in the present. Perceived failure is almost guaranteed, so it's good to see if you can change your perspective and look for the hidden pattern of the two-step.

I'm not sure I'm clearly understanding your reference to antibiotics. Generally, with chronic Lyme, they give a false sense of improvement, while allowing much of the infection to go into hiding where it can wait you out and come back later, five-fold. ABX also sabotage the gut, which is your immune system, so I'd give the other things you've tried more attention. Some of the most effective things take a very long time to make any difference at all, but at least they don't sabotage the gut or merely postpone the infection to a later time.

Take heart, dear, kindly Marie. I know how very hard you have worked and I believe your reward will come.

Be well,

Léna

 

Hi Everyonne ,

 

I am piling up frustration as I pile up the treatment and gets nowhere except temporary releive.

It makes me feels like a gynee pig in tis weel .. in hi scage running faster and faster as the wheel .

Speding my time in treatments after two years is not acceptable to me patience needs to give place to censible decision and thinking .

10 seconds of rife the second year f riffing i tis nto good .

S

So I make a list of everyhting that has been doin gsome good to me to see what I can do with it in a diffrent way .

One of theses treatment I had a good result bu ttmporary is the KIB 500. I was much better for 2 weeks then th ebenefit beganto decline until on emonth and half after it was gone .

it was quite remarquable what it di dto me and I dropped it because it was temporary . But when I compare to any other treatment everythign is temporary and if we stopp it we go back into our misery, rife , MMS, silver , ozone , abx, andthis did much mor ein one series than anyother did for me that I can afford . So I think it is not sensible to rule otu this because it is knew

and temporary when everything else need much more time of use to give its result ansthis one gave me on one serie a much better outcome than anything else in the same time . And a sensible approach would be to do it at least as long as antibiody and alittl ebi tmore as it is not wellknown .

 

Here is my thought . And I am going to pass everything I have been doing like this thinking of it in a different perspective . I hope I will be able to open the door of this prison like desease .

 

Kindly  Marie

[Guest guest]

Hi Barbara,Yes, I had the Plum Island, weaponized Lyme: Mycoplasma, Bartonella, Babesia, Erlichia, as well as borrelia Burgdorferi. (I'm forgetting some, would have to dig up my archives for 5-6 years ago.)I've used a comprehensive set of over 3000 frequencies developed by Jeff Sutherland,, the mastermind of frequencyfoundation, delivered by my FScan 2 and ABPA A2. Unlike coils and what-not that are the general tools in this group, my machines systematically, sequentially treat 24/7, treating me photonically, so that I can go about my business without being tethered. They're somewhat difficult-to program and expensive machines, so I don't sound off about them much, but they, and S & C (lymestrategies ) have returned me to 90% normal life, energy and mental acuity after 45 years of Lyme disease. I'm very grateful I chose them.Be well,Léna

hi lena,did you have any co infections? if so, which ones and what did you do with them?barbara

Hi Darla ,

coffe aenma colema na dcolonics not alot of fun but it works

you need a toxine absorber as well glumanan cholestyramin or welchol i tis absolutly necessary to deto Darla

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife <Lyme_and_Rife >; lymestrategies

Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:16 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

Hi Darla,

I agree with others that for chronic Lyme (not recently bitten) abx only postpones the disease, and perhaps enables it to multiply in dormancy. I'm also shocked that doctors aren't aware of the necessity of detoxing what's killed. Dead pathogens produce toxins that can be as harmful to you and as debilitating as the pathogens themselves.

Helpful detox: drinking half your body weight in oz per day of good water (but stay alert to how this could flush out electrolytes), taking French Green Clay or Bentonite(google these) to bind and eliminate toxins, doing far infrared sauna, dry brushing ((google this; it moves the lymph) epsom salt baths, or coffee enemas, which stimulate the liver to dump toxins. If the 'ick' factor of that repels you check this out.

There are other great ways to detox which I'm sure people will share.

Detox will lessen the time and intensity of herxes and keep toxin overload from damaging your organs. Also,I use Source Natural's K-Mag KG which is an excellent mopper of ammonia in the brain. It has helped my brain-fog and negativity tremendously. Also, Lithium Orotate is very helpful for mental balance as so much negativity comes from the toxins in the brain.

Keep reading this group, and also go to:

lymestrategies

S & C is a tremendous protocol: Proven very effective and the folks there are very knowledgeable, as are the folks here. S & C causes the pathogens to go into osmotic shock. It doens't encyst them as abx do and has a host of other nutritional benefits to the body that help immune function cardio-vascular health, etc. If you join this site, scroll down the left sidebar to 'links' then scroll down to #006., which is a thumbnail of exactly how to do this protocol. Follow it carefully. It works. My two main protocols are Rife, S & C, assorted supplements, methodical detox, and after 45+ years of Lyme, I'm 90% back to normal.

Be well,

Léna

Hi Lena, no i dont detox, idk what to use can you give me some suggestions?? Thanks....best regards...Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

Hi Darla,

No matter what else you do, I hope you're doing conscientious DETOX. It's not enough to clean house, one must take out the trash or the house will still be unliveable. What are your detoxing strategies at this time?

Be well,

Léna

Hi i have been on anx it will be a year august 15th, when i was diagnosed i wasnt able to walk or talk, & the pain was so bad that i welcomed death, well its been a long journey, when i 1st started the anx therapy when i would go thru the herx i didnt even reconize it. Now i cvan cuz i've had alot of good days but still alot of bad days! I saw my lyme Dr may 22 & i was very sick the day i saw him, so he increased my doxy to 300mg twice daily & put me on amoxil 1500mg twice a day. Well i have been herxing pretty bad for about a month, old symptoms are coming back with a vengence, I'm in bed most of the day cuz the pain is horrible again & i'm very tired & sleep alot!!! Can anyone give me some feedback on their atx use....greatly appreciate it..........Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:46 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration

Hi Marie, Just remember that the dance of Lyme is a two-step: two steps forward, one step back. Many of us at the second part, the one step back, think what we've been doing has failed and that may not be the case.

Marc Fett, over at Lymestrategies (S & C, which is one of my manistays) speaks of how important methodical, consistent protocols are. On this roller-coaster, up or down matters less than simply persisting, hanging on tight, on whatever path has helped in the past, even if it doesn't feel like progress in the present. Perceived failure is almost guaranteed, so it's good to see if you can change your perspective and look for the hidden pattern of the two-step.

I'm not sure I'm clearly understanding your reference to antibiotics. Generally, with chronic Lyme, they give a false sense of improvement, while allowing much of the infection to go into hiding where it can wait you out and come back later, five-fold. ABX also sabotage the gut, which is your immune system, so I'd give the other things you've tried more attention. Some of the most effective things take a very long time to make any difference at all, but at least they don't sabotage the gut or merely postpone the infection to a later time.

Take heart, dear, kindly Marie. I know how very hard you have worked and I believe your reward will come.

Be well,

Léna

Hi Everyonne ,

I am piling up frustration as I pile up the treatment and gets nowhere except temporary releive.

It makes me feels like a gynee pig in tis weel .. in hi scage running faster and faster as the wheel .

Speding my time in treatments after two years is not acceptable to me patience needs to give place to censible decision and thinking .

10 seconds of rife the second year f riffing i tis nto good .

S

So I make a list of everyhting that has been doin gsome good to me to see what I can do with it in a diffrent way .

One of theses treatment I had a good result bu ttmporary is the KIB 500. I was much better for 2 weeks then th ebenefit beganto decline until on emonth and half after it was gone .

it was quite remarquable what it di dto me and I dropped it because it was temporary . But when I compare to any other treatment everythign is temporary and if we stopp it we go back into our misery, rife , MMS, silver , ozone , abx, andthis did much mor ein one series than anyother did for me that I can afford . So I think it is not sensible to rule otu this because it is knew

and temporary when everything else need much more time of use to give its result ansthis one gave me on one serie a much better outcome than anything else in the same time . And a sensible approach would be to do it at least as long as antibiody and alittl ebi tmore as it is not wellknown .

Here is my thought . And I am going to pass everything I have been doing like this thinking of it in a different perspective . I hope I will be able to open the door of this prison like desease .

Kindly Marie

[Guest guest]

Lena,couple questions.1.  how do you know it is the weaponized lyme?2.  where do you get the source nat. k-mag. and the lith. orotate.  know i asked before but can't find where i put it.  have pencil and paper here now.  

3.  info about your machine?  link, cost etc.4.  do you think it was the machine or the protocol that helped the most.  sounds like you had them all.  i have lyme, bart, babs, myco. pn and ferm., eb. bar (past, chronic, present/active) chl. pn., candida, and one nd who muscle tested said erlichia, but i (doug) coiled and had no herx so???  but i can't seem to get the bart or babs--treated 2 1/2 yrs so far, got far beyond herx and quit to see if i got it all, and both relapsed.  

can't start lyme till i get this, but am thinking that once i get to no herx again, i will slowly work on lyme while still keeping up the bart/babs--forever.  want to do the lyme to get some control on the constipation.  wonder if another machine will do it.

i do  mms also.  milk thistle for liver.  probiotics.  other supps as i can.  have to be careful as i'm still tapering off benzo.  only 1/2 mg left to go on the valium.  (the c.e. does affect me with the caffeine and can feel it, but feel benefits out way the side effects).  but, almost done.

am detoxing with 'crapaccinos' which have really helped, can only do 1/2 gluc.  have tried many others and it just stops the g.i. tract.  i use 10K mg vit c in the a.m. (to help move things along), and 1/2 gluc before c.e., at least 5x a wk.  do oxy  powder or senna in the p.m.  

back doing  coil again, bart 2x, about 30 min. in  a.m. and p.m., babs just keeping it down with 5 min. liver plus slowly adding other spots 1x da.  i watch the diet and also coil for candida 4-5 min. every other day to keep it down.  jim said to increase babs to 10min on liver so will also try that.   have wondered if my liver is ok with that.

oops, gone on too long. so, info on your machine and where you get the k-mag, and lith. orotate.thanksbarbara

 

Hi Barbara,Yes, I had the Plum Island, weaponized Lyme: Mycoplasma, Bartonella, Babesia, Erlichia, as well as borrelia Burgdorferi. (I'm forgetting some, would have to dig up my archives for 5-6 years ago.)

I've used a comprehensive set of over 3000 frequencies developed by Jeff Sutherland,, the mastermind of frequencyfoundation, delivered by my FScan 2 and ABPA A2. Unlike coils and what-not that are the general tools in this group, my machines systematically, sequentially treat 24/7, treating me photonically, so that I can go about my business without being tethered. They're somewhat difficult-to program and expensive machines, so I don't sound off about them much, but they, and S & C (lymestrategies ) have returned me to 90% normal life, energy and mental acuity after 45 years of Lyme disease. I'm very grateful I chose them.

Be well,Léna 

 

hi lena,did you have any co infections? if so, which ones and what did you do with them?barbara

 

Hi Darla ,

 coffe aenma colema na dcolonics not alot of fun but it works

you need a toxine absorber as well glumanan cholestyramin or welchol i tis absolutly necessary to deto Darla

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife <Lyme_and_Rife >; lymestrategies

Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:16 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

Hi Darla,

I agree with others that for chronic Lyme (not recently bitten) abx only postpones the disease, and perhaps enables it to multiply in dormancy. I'm also shocked that doctors aren't aware of the necessity of detoxing what's killed. Dead pathogens produce toxins that can be as harmful to you and as debilitating as the pathogens themselves.

Helpful detox: drinking half your body weight in oz per day of good water (but stay alert to how this could flush out electrolytes), taking French Green Clay or Bentonite(google these) to bind and eliminate toxins, doing far infrared sauna, dry brushing ((google this; it moves the lymph) epsom salt baths, or coffee enemas, which stimulate the liver to dump toxins. If the 'ick' factor of that repels you check this out.

There are other great ways to detox which I'm sure people will share.

Detox will lessen the time and intensity of herxes and keep toxin overload from damaging your organs. Also,I use Source Natural's K-Mag KG which is an excellent mopper of ammonia in the brain. It has helped my brain-fog and negativity tremendously. Also, Lithium Orotate is very helpful for mental balance as so much negativity comes from the toxins in the brain.

Keep reading this group, and also go to: 

lymestrategies

S & C is a tremendous protocol: Proven very effective and the folks there are very knowledgeable, as are the folks here. S & C causes the pathogens to go into osmotic shock. It doens't encyst them as abx do and has a host of other nutritional benefits to the body that help immune function cardio-vascular health, etc. If you join this site, scroll down the left sidebar to 'links' then scroll down to #006., which is a thumbnail of exactly how to do this protocol. Follow it carefully. It works. My two main protocols are Rife, S & C, assorted supplements, methodical detox, and after 45+ years of Lyme, I'm 90% back to normal.

Be well,

Léna

 

Hi Lena, no i dont detox, idk what to use can you give me some suggestions?? Thanks....best regards...Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

 

Hi Darla,

No matter what else you do, I hope you're doing conscientious DETOX. It's not enough to clean house, one must take out the trash or the house will still be unliveable. What are your detoxing strategies at this time?

Be well,

Léna

 

Hi i have been on anx it will be a year august 15th, when i was diagnosed i wasnt able to walk or talk, & the pain was so bad that i welcomed death, well its been a long journey, when i 1st started the anx therapy when i would go thru the herx i didnt even reconize it. Now i cvan cuz i've had alot of good days but still alot of bad days! I saw my lyme Dr may 22 & i was very sick the day i saw him, so he increased my doxy to 300mg twice daily & put me on amoxil 1500mg twice a day. Well i have been herxing pretty bad for about a month, old symptoms are coming back with a vengence, I'm in bed most of the day cuz the pain is horrible again & i'm very tired & sleep alot!!! Can anyone give me some feedback on their atx use....greatly appreciate it..........Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:46 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration

 

Hi Marie, Just remember that the dance of Lyme is a two-step: two steps forward, one step back. Many of us at the second part, the one step back, think what we've been doing has failed and that may not be the case. 

Marc Fett, over at Lymestrategies (S & C, which is one of my manistays) speaks of how important methodical, consistent protocols are. On this roller-coaster, up or down matters less than simply persisting, hanging on tight, on whatever path has helped in the past, even if it doesn't feel like progress in the present. Perceived failure is almost guaranteed, so it's good to see if you can change your perspective and look for the hidden pattern of the two-step.

I'm not sure I'm clearly understanding your reference to antibiotics. Generally, with chronic Lyme, they give a false sense of improvement, while allowing much of the infection to go into hiding where it can wait you out and come back later, five-fold. ABX also sabotage the gut, which is your immune system, so I'd give the other things you've tried more attention. Some of the most effective things take a very long time to make any difference at all, but at least they don't sabotage the gut or merely postpone the infection to a later time.

Take heart, dear, kindly Marie. I know how very hard you have worked and I believe your reward will come.

Be well,

Léna

 

Hi Everyonne ,

 

I am piling up frustration as I pile up the treatment and gets nowhere except temporary releive.

It makes me feels like a gynee pig in tis weel .. in hi scage running faster and faster as the wheel .

Speding my time in treatments after two years is not acceptable to me patience needs to give place to censible decision and thinking .

10 seconds of rife the second year f riffing i tis nto good .

S

So I make a list of everyhting that has been doin gsome good to me to see what I can do with it in a diffrent way .

One of theses treatment I had a good result bu ttmporary is the KIB 500. I was much better for 2 weeks then th ebenefit beganto decline until on emonth and half after it was gone .

it was quite remarquable what it di dto me and I dropped it because it was temporary . But when I compare to any other treatment everythign is temporary and if we stopp it we go back into our misery, rife , MMS, silver , ozone , abx, andthis did much mor ein one series than anyother did for me that I can afford . So I think it is not sensible to rule otu this because it is knew

and temporary when everything else need much more time of use to give its result ansthis one gave me on one serie a much better outcome than anything else in the same time . And a sensible approach would be to do it at least as long as antibiody and alittl ebi tmore as it is not wellknown .

 

Here is my thought . And I am going to pass everything I have been doing like this thinking of it in a different perspective . I hope I will be able to open the door of this prison like desease .

 

Kindly  Marie

[Guest guest]

lena,organization WAS always my strong point.  my how things change!!how do you think your machine compares to the d. coil? do you feel it is the machine, s & c, or the detox that was the most healing?  i understand they all work in unison, all necessary.  did you start the detoxing from the beginning?  later in treatment?  is that when you saw a difference?  

i've coiled for 2 1/2 yrs for bart and babs and still not free.  i have however, started doing ce the last couple months and have felt better.  but then again, the benzo w/drawal taper is coming to an end so that is another variable i deal with.

i know you can't really answer the question of what did it, but can you take a good guess?  kind of wondering if i need to make some other changes in treatment.thanksbarbara

 

Hi Marie, At one point I had paralysis in my right arm, with tingling, numbness and terrible weakness, but that was because Lyme had taken over my neck (where I was first bitten) and I had all sorts of compromised discs and spurs: a real train-wreck, according to the x-rays and MRI. I suspect x-ray would be very different now, but don't want the radiation exposure.

Biophotonically delivered frx can go anywhere, everywhere.(quantum physics: as Dr. Loyd says, quantum entanglement) Think about it: if they can go 200 mi. from Newton, MA to Fly Creek, NY, to the specific body they've been programmed to reach by the ABPA A2, once they get there, they will go through bone easily.

I started Rifing in 2006, and then began S & C in 2007. These two things, plus learning to really detox, have given me my life back. That's not to say that I still have to daily observe my protocols; probably will the rest of my life, but my life is as energetic and active as most people of 66 and more so than many, so I can't complain.

Be well,Léna

 

Hi Lena ,

Di dyou have neuro symptoms like paralysis ? does this machine go throught th ebone and crane please ? how long did it take for you to get to where youare now please ?

Thank you Kindly marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

 

Hi Barbara,

Yes, I had the Plum Island, weaponized Lyme: Mycoplasma, Bartonella, Babesia, Erlichia, as well as borrelia Burgdorferi. (I'm forgetting some, would have to dig up my archives for 5-6 years ago.)

I've used a comprehensive set of over 3000 frequencies developed by Jeff Sutherland,, the mastermind of frequencyfoundation, delivered by my FScan 2 and ABPA A2. Unlike coils and what-not that are the general tools in this group, my machines systematically, sequentially treat 24/7, treating me photonically, so that I can go about my business without being tethered. They're somewhat difficult-to program and expensive machines, so I don't sound off about them much, but they, and S & C (lymestrategies ) have returned me to 90% normal life, energy and mental acuity after 45 years of Lyme disease. I'm very grateful I chose them.

Be well,

Léna 

 

hi lena,

did you have any co infections? if so, which ones and what did you do with them?

barbara

 

Hi Darla ,

 coffe aenma colema na dcolonics not alot of fun but it works

you need a toxine absorber as well glumanan cholestyramin or welchol i tis absolutly necessary to deto Darla

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife <Lyme_and_Rife >; lymestrategies

Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:16 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

Hi Darla, I agree with others that for chronic Lyme (not recently bitten) abx only postpones the disease, and perhaps enables it to multiply in dormancy. I'm also shocked that doctors aren't aware of the necessity of detoxing what's killed. Dead pathogens produce toxins that can be as harmful to you and as debilitating as the pathogens themselves.

Helpful detox: drinking half your body weight in oz per day of good water (but stay alert to how this could flush out electrolytes), taking French Green Clay or Bentonite(google these) to bind and eliminate toxins, doing far infrared sauna, dry brushing ((google this; it moves the lymph) epsom salt baths, or coffee enemas, which stimulate the liver to dump toxins. If the 'ick' factor of that repels you check this out.

There are other great ways to detox which I'm sure people will share.

Detox will lessen the time and intensity of herxes and keep toxin overload from damaging your organs. Also,I use Source Natural's K-Mag KG which is an excellent mopper of ammonia in the brain. It has helped my brain-fog and negativity tremendously. Also, Lithium Orotate is very helpful for mental balance as so much negativity comes from the toxins in the brain.

Keep reading this group, and also go to: 

lymestrategies

S & C is a tremendous protocol: Proven very effective and the folks there are very knowledgeable, as are the folks here. S & C causes the pathogens to go into osmotic shock. It doens't encyst them as abx do and has a host of other nutritional benefits to the body that help immune function cardio-vascular health, etc. If you join this site, scroll down the left sidebar to 'links' then scroll down to #006., which is a thumbnail of exactly how to do this protocol. Follow it carefully. It works. My two main protocols are Rife, S & C, assorted supplements, methodical detox, and after 45+ years of Lyme, I'm 90% back to normal.

Be well,

Léna

 

Hi Lena, no i dont detox, idk what to use can you give me some suggestions?? Thanks....best regards...Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

 

Hi Darla,

No matter what else you do, I hope you're doing conscientious DETOX. It's not enough to clean house, one must take out the trash or the house will still be unliveable. What are your detoxing strategies at this time?

Be well,

Léna

 

Hi i have been on anx it will be a year august 15th, when i was diagnosed i wasnt able to walk or talk, & the pain was so bad that i welcomed death, well its been a long journey, when i 1st started the anx therapy when i would go thru the herx i didnt even reconize it. Now i cvan cuz i've had alot of good days but still alot of bad days! I saw my lyme Dr may 22 & i was very sick the day i saw him, so he increased my doxy to 300mg twice daily & put me on amoxil 1500mg twice a day. Well i have been herxing pretty bad for about a month, old symptoms are coming back with a vengence, I'm in bed most of the day cuz the pain is horrible again & i'm very tired & sleep alot!!! Can anyone give me some feedback on their atx use....greatly appreciate it..........Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:46 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration

 

Hi Marie, Just remember that the dance of Lyme is a two-step: two steps forward, one step back. Many of us at the second part, the one step back, think what we've been doing has failed and that may not be the case. 

Marc Fett, over at Lymestrategies (S & C, which is one of my manistays) speaks of how important methodical, consistent protocols are. On this roller-coaster, up or down matters less than simply persisting, hanging on tight, on whatever path has helped in the past, even if it doesn't feel like progress in the present. Perceived failure is almost guaranteed, so it's good to see if you can change your perspective and look for the hidden pattern of the two-step.

I'm not sure I'm clearly understanding your reference to antibiotics. Generally, with chronic Lyme, they give a false sense of improvement, while allowing much of the infection to go into hiding where it can wait you out and come back later, five-fold. ABX also sabotage the gut, which is your immune system, so I'd give the other things you've tried more attention. Some of the most effective things take a very long time to make any difference at all, but at least they don't sabotage the gut or merely postpone the infection to a later time.

Take heart, dear, kindly Marie. I know how very hard you have worked and I believe your reward will come.

Be well,

Léna

 

Hi Everyonne ,

 

I am piling up frustration as I pile up the treatment and gets nowhere except temporary releive.

It makes me feels like a gynee pig in tis weel .. in hi scage running faster and faster as the wheel .

Speding my time in treatments after two years is not acceptable to me patience needs to give place to censible decision and thinking .

10 seconds of rife the second year f riffing i tis nto good .

S

So I make a list of everyhting that has been doin gsome good to me to see what I can do with it in a diffrent way .

One of theses treatment I had a good result bu ttmporary is the KIB 500. I was much better for 2 weeks then th ebenefit beganto decline until on emonth and half after it was gone .

it was quite remarquable what it di dto me and I dropped it because it was temporary . But when I compare to any other treatment everythign is temporary and if we stopp it we go back into our misery, rife , MMS, silver , ozone , abx, andthis did much mor ein one series than anyother did for me that I can afford . So I think it is not sensible to rule otu this because it is knew

and temporary when everything else need much more time of use to give its result ansthis one gave me on one serie a much better outcome than anything else in the same time . And a sensible approach would be to do it at least as long as antibiody and alittl ebi tmore as it is not wellknown .

 

Here is my thought . And I am going to pass everything I have been doing like this thinking of it in a different perspective . I hope I will be able to open the door of this prison like desease .

 

Kindly  Marie

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Oh Barb, I wish I could give you an answer. As for the coil, I've never used one, never even seen one, (though I do have the full directions for DIY) so I can't compare. All the discussion about amps and overheating and where to place on the body have made me glad that my disorganized brain doesn't have to consider this. I also love the freedom I have with my machine combo; set it and forget it, go out of town on errands and know I'm being frxed. On the road, between campgrounds the FScan isn't running; just the ABPA A2. When we hook up, the FScan 2 is the first thing I start up and fortunately, we're not on the road like that every day. I can tour all day, roam through museums, hike scenic trails (carefully) and get frxed the whole time.All things considered, if I were starting out now, I know I wouldn't be able to afford my machines, but would be able to afford S & C which has proven so successful for so many people. Detox is cheap too, and if you kill, you must detox; it's the other half of the process: garbage in garbage out. The other option is MMS. I tried it for a couple months but found it difficult to separate from my S & C (I was using 1500 mg time-release C to fit my pill-boxes) by enough time, so I had to do it at night, needed to eat something with it 'cause stomach hated it, and gained not much except weight. Now, I use larger pill-boxes, so with ordinary 1000mg Cs, I could start MMS earlier in the day, but haven't got around to trying it again. I never rule anything out! I know it has been successful for lots of people and I've a stash in the event that C becomes impossible to get, but at the moment, it's just not for me (traumatic event of inhaling full chlorine gas from an unvented lab chamber, makes the similar smell a mortal revulsion).My other, lesser mainstays were traditional Chinese medicine: An Shen Bu Xin Wan: that helped mental emotional stuff immensely. IMMENSELY. Also lithium orotate, K-Mag KG, chlorella, lots of minerals, supps, WATER, Reiki for pain, and Alka-Seltzer Gold.Yes, loading my Dollar Store pill boxes, 120 of them every 30 days is a big job. Not simple.Be well,Léna

lena,organization WAS always my strong point. my how things change!!how do you think your machine compares to the d. coil? do you feel it is the machine, s & c, or the detox that was the most healing? i understand they all work in unison, all necessary. did you start the detoxing from the beginning? later in treatment? is that when you saw a difference?

i've coiled for 2 1/2 yrs for bart and babs and still not free. i have however, started doing ce the last couple months and have felt better. but then again, the benzo w/drawal taper is coming to an end so that is another variable i deal with.

i know you can't really answer the question of what did it, but can you take a good guess? kind of wondering if i need to make some other changes in treatment.thanksbarbara

Hi Marie, At one point I had paralysis in my right arm, with tingling, numbness and terrible weakness, but that was because Lyme had taken over my neck (where I was first bitten) and I had all sorts of compromised discs and spurs: a real train-wreck, according to the x-rays and MRI. I suspect x-ray would be very different now, but don't want the radiation exposure.

Biophotonically delivered frx can go anywhere, everywhere.(quantum physics: as Dr. Loyd says, quantum entanglement) Think about it: if they can go 200 mi. from Newton, MA to Fly Creek, NY, to the specific body they've been programmed to reach by the ABPA A2, once they get there, they will go through bone easily.

I started Rifing in 2006, and then began S & C in 2007. These two things, plus learning to really detox, have given me my life back. That's not to say that I still have to daily observe my protocols; probably will the rest of my life, but my life is as energetic and active as most people of 66 and more so than many, so I can't complain.

Be well,Léna

Hi Lena ,

Di dyou have neuro symptoms like paralysis ? does this machine go throught th ebone and crane please ? how long did it take for you to get to where youare now please ?

Thank you Kindly marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

Hi Barbara,

Yes, I had the Plum Island, weaponized Lyme: Mycoplasma, Bartonella, Babesia, Erlichia, as well as borrelia Burgdorferi. (I'm forgetting some, would have to dig up my archives for 5-6 years ago.)

I've used a comprehensive set of over 3000 frequencies developed by Jeff Sutherland,, the mastermind of frequencyfoundation, delivered by my FScan 2 and ABPA A2. Unlike coils and what-not that are the general tools in this group, my machines systematically, sequentially treat 24/7, treating me photonically, so that I can go about my business without being tethered. They're somewhat difficult-to program and expensive machines, so I don't sound off about them much, but they, and S & C (lymestrategies ) have returned me to 90% normal life, energy and mental acuity after 45 years of Lyme disease. I'm very grateful I chose them.

Be well,

Léna

hi lena,

did you have any co infections? if so, which ones and what did you do with them?

barbara

Hi Darla ,

coffe aenma colema na dcolonics not alot of fun but it works

you need a toxine absorber as well glumanan cholestyramin or welchol i tis absolutly necessary to deto Darla

Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife <Lyme_and_Rife >; lymestrategies

Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:16 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

Hi Darla, I agree with others that for chronic Lyme (not recently bitten) abx only postpones the disease, and perhaps enables it to multiply in dormancy. I'm also shocked that doctors aren't aware of the necessity of detoxing what's killed. Dead pathogens produce toxins that can be as harmful to you and as debilitating as the pathogens themselves.

Helpful detox: drinking half your body weight in oz per day of good water (but stay alert to how this could flush out electrolytes), taking French Green Clay or Bentonite(google these) to bind and eliminate toxins, doing far infrared sauna, dry brushing ((google this; it moves the lymph) epsom salt baths, or coffee enemas, which stimulate the liver to dump toxins. If the 'ick' factor of that repels you check this out.

There are other great ways to detox which I'm sure people will share.

Detox will lessen the time and intensity of herxes and keep toxin overload from damaging your organs. Also,I use Source Natural's K-Mag KG which is an excellent mopper of ammonia in the brain. It has helped my brain-fog and negativity tremendously. Also, Lithium Orotate is very helpful for mental balance as so much negativity comes from the toxins in the brain.

Keep reading this group, and also go to:

lymestrategies

S & C is a tremendous protocol: Proven very effective and the folks there are very knowledgeable, as are the folks here. S & C causes the pathogens to go into osmotic shock. It doens't encyst them as abx do and has a host of other nutritional benefits to the body that help immune function cardio-vascular health, etc. If you join this site, scroll down the left sidebar to 'links' then scroll down to #006., which is a thumbnail of exactly how to do this protocol. Follow it carefully. It works. My two main protocols are Rife, S & C, assorted supplements, methodical detox, and after 45+ years of Lyme, I'm 90% back to normal.

Be well,

Léna

Hi Lena, no i dont detox, idk what to use can you give me some suggestions?? Thanks....best regards...Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:07 AM

Subject: Re: OT: out of frustration OT

Hi Darla,

No matter what else you do, I hope you're doing conscientious DETOX. It's not enough to clean house, one must take out the trash or the house will still be unliveable. What are your detoxing strategies at this time?

Be well,

Léna

Hi i have been on anx it will be a year august 15th, when i was diagnosed i wasnt able to walk or talk, & the pain was so bad that i welcomed death, well its been a long journey, when i 1st started the anx therapy when i would go thru the herx i didnt even reconize it. Now i cvan cuz i've had alot of good days but still alot of bad days! I saw my lyme Dr may 22 & i was very sick the day i saw him, so he increased my doxy to 300mg twice daily & put me on amoxil 1500mg twice a day. Well i have been herxing pretty bad for about a month, old symptoms are coming back with a vengence, I'm in bed most of the day cuz the pain is horrible again & i'm very tired & sleep alot!!! Can anyone give me some feedback on their atx use....greatly appreciate it..........Darla

To: Lyme_and_Rife

Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:46 PMSubject: Re: OT: out of frustration

Hi Marie, Just remember that the dance of Lyme is a two-step: two steps forward, one step back. Many of us at the second part, the one step back, think what we've been doing has failed and that may not be the case.

Marc Fett, over at Lymestrategies (S & C, which is one of my manistays) speaks of how important methodical, consistent protocols are. On this roller-coaster, up or down matters less than simply persisting, hanging on tight, on whatever path has helped in the past, even if it doesn't feel like progress in the present. Perceived failure is almost guaranteed, so it's good to see if you can change your perspective and look for the hidden pattern of the two-step.

I'm not sure I'm clearly understanding your reference to antibiotics. Generally, with chronic Lyme, they give a false sense of improvement, while allowing much of the infection to go into hiding where it can wait you out and come back later, five-fold. ABX also sabotage the gut, which is your immune system, so I'd give the other things you've tried more attention. Some of the most effective things take a very long time to make any difference at all, but at least they don't sabotage the gut or merely postpone the infection to a later time.

Take heart, dear, kindly Marie. I know how very hard you have worked and I believe your reward will come.

Be well,

Léna

Hi Everyonne ,

I am piling up frustration as I pile up the treatment and gets nowhere except temporary releive.

It makes me feels like a gynee pig in tis weel .. in hi scage running faster and faster as the wheel .

Speding my time in treatments after two years is not acceptable to me patience needs to give place to censible decision and thinking .

10 seconds of rife the second year f riffing i tis nto good .

S

So I make a list of everyhting that has been doin gsome good to me to see what I can do with it in a diffrent way .

One of theses treatment I had a good result bu ttmporary is the KIB 500. I was much better for 2 weeks then th ebenefit beganto decline until on emonth and half after it was gone .

it was quite remarquable what it di dto me and I dropped it because it was temporary . But when I compare to any other treatment everythign is temporary and if we stopp it we go back into our misery, rife , MMS, silver , ozone , abx, andthis did much mor ein one series than anyother did for me that I can afford . So I think it is not sensible to rule otu this because it is knew

and temporary when everything else need much more time of use to give its result ansthis one gave me on one serie a much better outcome than anything else in the same time . And a sensible approach would be to do it at least as long as antibiody and alittl ebi tmore as it is not wellknown .

Here is my thought . And I am going to pass everything I have been doing like this thinking of it in a different perspective . I hope I will be able to open the door of this prison like desease .

Kindly Marie