Guest guest Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 was that with the burbur with you also? Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 1:49 PM Not good indeed Terry sorry to hear about this . I had some experience like this before and I droppe dit for a while then came back to it but in a very slow ramping up manner I did so for iodien for artemsia and for the radiac I have to stay well under the rgulat dose at a certain poitn i did it also with th emms I began at 1 drop a day I ma now at 7 kindly Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:37 PMSubject: No more burbur for me I took burbur 15 drops today and within an hour i felt so off balance and lightheaded and i still feel that way ..Thinking burbur which i know is great for many just is to muvch here.Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 ..Terry after you took the burbur did you take a binder like you are supposed to? What you did by taking so much burbur was to release the toxins in the lymph and brain into the blood stream where they recirculated, so taking a binder following the burbur is necessary to catch the toxins when they filter out.Plus , like all things, you really should muscle test a product, first test is to see if your body needs it , second test is to see at what dosageI do my muscle testing with either thumb and forefinger or thumb and pinkie held together, ten the substance held in my left hand against my solar plexus and using the forefinger of my left hand try to pull my fingers of my right hand apart.For me a strong response , or not pulling my fingers apart means yes take this, a week response , or my fingers being pulled apart means no ,or stop at the previously asked number of dropstaking a binder after taking burbur or any other detox agent is importantjan Re: No more burbur for me Posted by: "T.B" candlemn42@... candlemn42@... Date: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:13 pm ((PDT))was that with the burbur with you also? "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fullerhttp://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 hi jan i took a binder 45 minutes after the burbur and i have to tell you i cant tolerate the stuff for some reason.I am trying to pulse samento banderol one drop each twice a day 4 days a week between coiling session.I am feeling really bad with this to and i am drinking half my weight in water and taking activated charchol 2 times a day as a binder.i just dont know..I have either an extremly severe case of lyme or a very severe undiagnosed neuro disease that docs cant figure out.Each and everyday feels like it might be my last here...I cant go to the er cause they have no idea what to do with me nor do the doctors i have seen.. Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:55 PM .. Terry after you took the burbur did you take a binder like you are supposed to? What you did by taking so much burbur was to release the toxins in the lymph and brain into the blood stream where they recirculated, so taking a binder following the burbur is necessary to catch the toxins when they filter out.Plus , like all things, you really should muscle test a product, first test is to see if your body needs it , second test is to see at what dosage I do my muscle testing with either thumb and forefinger or thumb and pinkie held together, ten the substance held in my left hand against my solar plexus and using the forefinger of my left hand try to pull my fingers of my right hand apart.For me a strong response , or not pulling my fingers apart means yes take this, a week response , or my fingers being pulled apart means no ,or stop at the previously asked number of drops taking a binder after taking burbur or any other detox agent is important jan Re: No more burbur for me Posted by: "T.B" candlemn42@... candlemn42@... Date: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:13 pm ((PDT))was that with the burbur with you also? "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Hi Jan, I know that we are all different, but I have never had to take a binder after using Burbur. If I take up to 110 drops of the stuff, it will knock out the herx and I never have to take any binders. I do have to take binders when I do CEs but neither Burbur or Pinella have ever showed to me a need to take binders. I am still wondering if it might have been an allergy or the alcohol. In my herbal class the professor talked about the fact that many folks can't tolerate the alcohol in herbal tinctures and by putting the tincture in water and letting it sit overnight will help to evaporate the alcohol. > > . > Terry after you took the burbur did you take a binder like you are supposed to? What you did by taking so much burbur was to release the toxins in the lymph and brain into the blood stream where they recirculated, so taking a binder following the burbur is necessary to catch the toxins when they filter out.Plus , like all things, you really should muscle test a product, first test is to see if your body needs it , second test is to see at what dosage > I do my muscle testing with either thumb and forefinger or thumb and pinkie held together, ten the substance held in my left hand against my solar plexus and using the forefinger of my left hand try to pull my fingers of my right hand apart.For me a strong response , or not pulling my fingers apart means yes take this, a week response , or my fingers being pulled apart means no ,or stop at the previously asked number of drops > > taking a binder after taking burbur or any other detox agent is important > jan > > > > Re: No more burbur for me > Posted by: " T.B " candlemn42@... candlemn42@... > Date: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:13 pm ((PDT)) > > was that with the burbur with you also? > > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 TerryI think 15 drops at a start was probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and probably a different binder or an additional one.Chronic lyme IS a neurological disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in treatment. feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents.Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood.I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samento or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle itare you also taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easierI also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detox and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detoxjan "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fullerhttp://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 well i saw my lyme doc today he told me when you rife,coil dont take any microbials at all even if they are cystbusters he said it interferes with the growth cycle throws it outta wack.No more samento or burbur told me to try alkaselzer gold and charchol he said just using charchol only addresses the intestional tract.. And he told me you have to support the immune system and prescribed this supplement to take Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM TerryI think 15 drops at a start was probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and probably a different binder or an additional one.Chronic lyme IS a neurological disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in treatment. feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents ..Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood.I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samento or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle itare you also taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easierI also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us. Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detox and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detoxjan "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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