Guest guest Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Not good indeed Terry sorry to hear about this . I had some experience like this before and I droppe dit for a while then came back to it but in a very slow ramping up manner I did so for iodien for artemsia and for the radiac I have to stay well under the rgulat dose at a certain poitn i did it also with th emms I began at 1 drop a day I ma now at 7 kindly Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:37 PMSubject: No more burbur for me I took burbur 15 drops today and within an hour i felt so off balance and lightheaded and i still feel that way ..Thinking burbur which i know is great for many just is to muvch here.Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Hi,I have never heard of anyone have a bad reaction to Burbur. I wonder if the alcohol bothers you in the tincture. Burbur busts a herx faster then anything I know. 15 drops isn't very much Burbur. I wonder if you actually were experiencing a herx from coiling and really needed about 100 drops of Burbur to knock out the herx feeling. I don't know the situation under which you took the Burbur, but my guess is that if you treated prior to taking the Burbur then you were actually herxing which may have coincidentally come on at the same time you took the drops. There also is a small possibility that you are allergic to it causing your lightheadedness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Personally I want to throw the growth cycle of lyme out of whack.I want them to stop reproducing I want to kill the lyme , so cyst busters are good and detox is important .Yes charcoal doesnt address everything, thats why i said add more detox and the list of herbs I gave you for the immune and adrenals are also good ones to support the body.Try what your dr gave you, you may find it works( you didnt mention what its components are), you may find its not enough.today my body said no to samento but yes to other products for detox this morning and yes to banderol.I follow what my body tells me works.a three month trial of a supplement should tell you if it works or not.Sometimes less time than that isneeded, maybe six weeks,it depends on you.I am a long ways into treatment, so my herxes arent usually as bad as those you are getting now.you always have to start slowly ,later on you can be a bit more aggressive when the herxes are not so bad ,but for now go with a slow pace.Re: No more burbur for me Posted by: "T.B" candlemn42@... candlemn42@... Date: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:41 pm ((PDT))well i saw my lyme doc today he told me when you rife,coil dont take any microbials at all even if they are cystbusters he said it interferes with the growth cycle throws it outta wack.No more samento or burbur told me to try alkaselzer gold and charchol he said just using charchol only addresses the intestional tract.. And he told me you have to support the immune system and prescribed this supplement to takeSubject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM   TerryI think 15 drops at a start was probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and probably a different binder or an additional one.Chronic lyme IS a neurological disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in treatment. feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents.Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood.I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samento or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle itare you also taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easierI also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detox and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detoxjan "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fullerhttp://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Hi Jan you know i just cant tolerate detoxing or even the binder i woke up this am took alkerselzer gold doc said it detoxes then took glucomannan this time within an hour felt very lightheaded and still feel terribleSubject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM   TerryI think 15 drops at a start was probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and probably a different binder or an additional one.Chronic lyme IS a neurological disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in treatment. feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents.Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood.I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samento or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle itare you also taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easierI also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detox and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detoxjan "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 you know its funny he mentioned rife to me he said he has a few patients that are very intelligent and that they rife they told him it works and told him the secrete is to take no antimicrobials or cystbusters to rife and to support the immune system why you are doing it .. Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM   TerryI think 15 drops at a start was probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and probably a different binder or an additional one.Chronic lyme IS a neurological disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in treatment. feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents.Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood.I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samento or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle itare you also taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easierI also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detox and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detoxjan "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 The immune support supplement is made by Biotics research its called IAG and its ingredients are Arabinogalactans he also said to take coq10,fish oil,and riki mushrooms dont know if i spelt that rightSubject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM   TerryI think 15 drops at a start was probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and probably a different binder or an additional one.Chronic lyme IS a neurological disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in treatment. feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents.Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood.I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samento or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle itare you also taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easierI also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detox and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detoxjan "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Burbur really isn't an antimicrobial. I have a description of all of the nutramedix herbs and Burbur is listed for detox. I took it the entire two years that I coiled and two years prior to that when I used am. Emem machine. > > > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me > To: " Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM > > > >  > > > > > > > >   > > Terry > > I think 15 drops at a start was > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > probably a different binder or an additional one. > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > treatment. >  feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samento or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it > are you also taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us. > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detox and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox > > jan >  > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 yes it is susan go to there site ....Tho its not known for its antimicrobial ability it none the less is Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 9:53 PM Burbur really isn't an antimicrobial. I have a description of all of the nutramedix herbs and Burbur is listed for detox. I took it the entire two years that I coiled and two years prior to that when I used am. Emem machine.> > > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me> To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM> > > >  > > > > > > > >   > > Terry> > I think 15 drops at a start was > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > probably a different binder or an additional one.> Chronic lyme IS a neurological > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > treatment.>  feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents> > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood> .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samento or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it> are you also taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier> > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.> > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detox and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox> > jan>  > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 See below, this is the information that Nutramedix makes available to practitioners and nowhere is Burbur mentioned for antimicrobial properties. You will have to scroll down. I don't know if I am even supposed to share this publicly since the site does not make this info available, but here it is anyway. I am actually wondering if you are confusing Burbur with Banderol which is antimicrobial. SAMENTO: http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/samento_flyer_Bs.pdf • ANTIBACTERIAL • ANTICANCEROUS • ANTIDEPRESSANT • ANTIFUNGAL • ANTI-HYPERTENSIVE • ANTILEUKEMIC • ANTIMUTAGENIC • ANTI-OXIDANT • ANTIPARASITIC • ANTIPARKINSONISM • ANTI-ULCEROUS • ANTIVIRAL • CYTOSTATIC • DEPURATIVE • DIURETIC • VERMIFUGE Some of the beneficial properties of Samento are attributed to the pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids (POAs) that are found in the plant that act on the cellular immune system and demonstrate powerful immune system modulating properties. Samento does not contain the tetracyclic oxindole alkaloids (TOAs) that are found in traditional Cat's Claw. TOAs disrupt central nervous system function and greatly inhibit the effects of the POAs. Some researchers believe that Samento may be as much as 1,000 times more effective than Cat's Claw. One difference between Samento and Cat's Claw is that Cat's Claw is an immune system stimulant and Samento is an immune system modulator. Also, Samento can be used to treat all autoimmune disorders. In May 2005, pharmacological studies were conducted in laboratory rodents at the University of Guayaquil, Ecuador. The anti-inflammatory effect study showed that Nutramedix Samento extract inhibits inflammation by 83.8%. ___________________________________________________________ For Detox pathways: BURBUR: http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/burbur_flyer_Bs.pdf • LIVER DETOX • LYMPHATIC DETOX • KIDNEY DETOX • GROUND MATRIX DETOX • BLOOD PURIFIER • ANTI-INFLAMMATORY The herb in Burbur has been traditionally used for its body cleansing properties. It is very effective in aiding detoxification of the liver, kidneys, lymphatic system and the ground matrix. Burbur is commonly used in conjunction with antimicrobials produced by Nutramedix like Samento, Quina and Cumanda. Many health care professionals have reported that Burbur can be used in place of 5 detoxification remedies. In many cases a significant healing crisis (Herxheimer's reaction) can be dramatically reduced or eliminated with the frequent use of Burbur, approximately every 10 minutes. __________________________________________________________ CUMANDA: http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/cumanda_flyer_Bs.pdf • ANTIBACTERIAL • ANTIFUNGAL • ANTIVIRAL • ANTIPARASITIC • ANTI-INFLAMMATORY • ANALGESIC • IMMUNE SYSTEM MODULATOR Cumanda is very effective in treating the Borrelia burgdorferi bacteria and practitioners are now using it in conjunction with Samento to treat Lyme Borrelisosis. Lyme Borreliosis has been linked to hundreds of medical conditions. Many researchers and physicians believe that Lyme Borreliosis may be a factor in most chronic conditions. One of the most impressive benefits of Cumanda is its antifungal action. Physicians report that it is effective in treating many difficult to treat fungi including Mycosis fungoides, Candida krusei, Candida albicans and Aspergillus niger, to name a few. In May 2005, pharmacological studies were conducted in laboratory rodents at the University of Guayaquil in Ecuador. In an Anti-inflammatory Effect Study the Nutramedix Cumanda inhibited inflammation by 97%. It was compared with Pfizer's best selling and very toxic anti-inflammatory drug, Feldene (Piroxicam), which inhibited inflammation by 98%. In another pharmacological study conducted in laboratory rodents at the University of Guayaquil in Ecuador, Nutramedix Cumanda was determined to be 86% as effective as aspirin as an analgesic. ________________________________________________________ QUINA: http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/quina_flyer_B.pdf Quina has been used for centuries by native South Americans to treat a number of illnesses including malaria, cancer, fever, dysentery, typhoid, pneumonia, etc. It was one of the first South American medicinal plants to become known outside of the Americas. It was first used in Europe in the mid- 1600's and recognized by the British Pharmacopoeia in 1677. Quinine, one of the four alkaloids in Quina known to have antimalarial properties, has been used to produce medicines to treat malaria for nearly 200 years. Quina is utilized by some health care professionals in the U.S. as an important component of a Lyme disease protocol. It has been found to be very effective in treating Borrelia burgdorferi, the bacteria the causes Lyme disease, Babesia and many of the coinfections that are usually associated with this condition. • ANTIBACTERIAL • ANTIMALARIAL • ANTIPROTOZOAL • ANTI-INFLAMMATORY ___________________________________________________________ BANDEROL: http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/banderol_flyerB.pdf • BROAD SPECTRUM ANTIVIRAL • BROAD SPECTRUM ANTIFUNGAL • BROAD SPECTRUM ANTIBACTERIAL • BROAD SPECTRUM ANTIPARASITIC • ANTIMYCOPLASMA • ANTIPROTOZOAL • ANTIRICKETTSIAL • ANTI-INFLAMMATORY Banderol is very effective against Borrelia burgdorferi and the common co-infections in Lyme disease. Banderol also kills some fungi that Cumanda does not. Some MICROBES treated by BANDEROL: Anaerobic and Aerobic rods and cocci (many), Aspergillus (some), Babesia, Bartonella, Borrelia, Candida (some), Chlamydia, Cytomegalovirus, Encephalitis viruses (some), Hepatitis viruses (some), Human Papilloma Viruses (some), Mucor (some), Mycoplasma, Mycosis fungoides, Protozoal parasites (many), Rickettsia (including iella and Erlichia) Some CONDITIONS treated by BANDEROL: Acute and Chronic prostatitis, Acute and Chronic respiratory tract infections (many), Acute and Chronic sinusitis, Asthma, Atherosclerotic disease, Cellulitis, Food poisoning, Lyme disease, Parkinson's disease, Psoriasis, Thrush, Urinary tract infections (many), Vaginal infections _________________________________________________________ HOUTTUYNIA: (for bartonella too) http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/houttuynia_flyer_B.pdf ANTI-BACTERIAL • ANTI-VIRAL • IMMUNOMODULATION • LYME DISEASE • ANTI-OXIDANT • ANTI-MUTAGENIC Houttuynia cordata is a Chinese medicinal herb that is found throughout Eastern Asia. It has been used traditionally to treat various types of infections, inflammation, hypertension, sinusitis, pulmonary tuberculosis, etc. Dr. Schaller has found Houttuynia to be effective against Bartonella in vitro and in vivo and Dr. Lee Cowden has found Houttuynia to be effective against Bartonella clinically in patients who have resistant strains of Bartonella. SELECTED STUDIES PUBLISHED FROM 2003 TO 2009: Biological and antibacterial activities of the natural herb Houttuynia cordata water extract against the intracellular bacterial pathogen salmonella within the RAW 264.7 macrophage - Conclusion: H. cordata is stable and beneficial in the treatment of bacterial infection including intracellularly replicating pathogens and may solve antimicrobial misuse and overuse. Down-regulation of FcepsilonRI expression by Houttuynia cordata Thunb extract in human basophilic KU812F cells - Conclusion: These results suggest that H. cordata extract may exert its anti-allergic activity through down-regulation of FcepsilonRI expression and a subsequent decrease in histamine release. Anti-enterovirus 71 activity screening of chinese herbs with anti-infection and inflammation activities - Conclusion: H. cordata extract has antiviral activity, and it offers a potential to develop a new anti-EV71 agent. Immunomodulatory and anti-SARS activities of Houttuynia cordata - Conclusion: The results of this study provided scientific data to support the efficient and safe use of H. cordata to combat severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). Antioxidative activity, polyphenolic content and anti-glycation effect of some Thai medicinal plants traditionally used in diabetic patients - Conclusion: 30 plant extracts evaluated- Phyllanthus emblica and H. cordata have the highest anti-oxidant activity. A study of the antioxidative and antimutagenic effects of Houttuynia cordata Thunb. using an oxidized frying oil-fed model - Conclusion: H. cordata showed both antioxidative and antimutagenic properties under OFO feeding-induced oxidative stress __________________________________________________________ BARBERRY: http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/barberry_flyer_Bs.pdf The Mayo Clinic has published research proving that chronic sinusitis is caused by an underlying fungal infection in the sinuses with a superimposed bacterial infection. Only the acute superimposed bacterial infection is eliminated when a patient is treated with a standard pharmaceutical antibacterial; the underlying chronic fungal infection in the sinuses is not addressed. BARBERRY addresses both the bacterial and fungal infections. Many patients that have asthma and bronchospastic disease have chronic sinusitis or chronic bronchitis as an underlying cause. Since BARBERRY addresses the underlying infectious causes so well, it usually helps resolve the bronchospasm and asthma. Many practitioners have also found that atherosclerotic disease appears to be primarily an infectious disease caused by bacteria, fungi and sometimes viruses; those practitioners have found BARBERRY to be very helpful in resolving the infection which then causes the atherosclerosis to diminish and resolve. BARBERRY effectively treats Chlamydia pneumoniae, mycoplasma, many herpes viruses of different types and mucor; peer-reviewed literature states that all of these are known to cause atherosclerotic disease. In 2004, a study performed at Comenius University in Bratislava, Slovakia confirmed both antifungal and antibacterial properties of Mahonia aquifolium. Published studies confirm that Jatrorrhizine, one of the compounds in Mahonia aquifolium, has been found to have significant antifungal properties. Some other medicinal properties that have been reported are: • ANTIBACTERIAL • ANTIFUNGAL • ANTIOXIDANT • ANTIMUTAGENIC • ANTIPSORIATIC • ANTIHYPERTENSIVE • ANTI-INFLAMMATORY • CHOLAGOGUE • ASTRINGENT • STOMACHIC • ALTERATIVE • ANTIPROLIFERATIVE • ACUTE AND CHRONIC SINUSITIS • BRONCHITIS • URINARY TRACT INFECTIONS • PROSTATITIS • PSORIASIS • BRONCHOSPASTIC DISEASE • ATHEROSCLEROTIC DISEASE • ASTHMA __________________________________________________________ ENULA: (Elecampane): http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/enula_flyer_Bs.pdf • ANTI-PARASITIC • ANTI-BACTERIAL • LYME DISEASE • DIGESTIVE SYSTEM HEALTH Elecampane contains inulin, a phytochemical that coats and soothes the lining of the bronchial passages and acts as an expectorant in the body. Inulin helps promote beneficial intestinal bacteria, very important since 80% of the immune system is located in the digestive system. Studies have also shown two other active ingredients in elecampane, alantolactone and isoalantolactone, to be useful in treating parasites, including roundworm, hookworm, whipworm, and threadworm; this research supports the traditional use of elecampane to treat digestive disorders and parasitic infections. It has also been reported that Enula is effective against certain species of Babesia, a parasite commonly associated with Borreliosis (Lyme disease). Elecampane root and rhizome contain approximately 1–4% volatile oils. Most of these volatile oils are composed of sesquiterpene lactones, including alantolactone. Elecampane is also very high in inulin (44%) and mucilage. Most herbal texts attribute the actions of elecampane to alantolactone. The antitussive (cough prevention and treatment) and carminative (intestinal tract soothing) effects of elecampane, however, may possibly be due to the inulin and mucilage content. In a 1:1000 dilution Elecampane kills the parasitic worm Ascaris in 16 hours. Alantolactone has an anti-inflammatory action, it also reduces mucous secretions and stimulates the immune system. In late 2007, researchers at Cork Institute of Technology, in Cork, Ireland reported that Elecampane kills the potentially fatal methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). Extracts from two plants were tested against a group of 300 staphylococci including MRSA and Elecampane proved 100% effective against the superbug. _________________________________________________________ MORA: http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/mora_flyer_Bs.pdf A group of researchers from India published a study in September 2008 reporting on the anti-helminthic (intestinal worm anti-parasitic) activity of Yarrow. The in vitro study revealed a very significant effectkilling 94.4% of intestinal worms. The in vivo (sheep) portion of the study reported an 88.4% reduction in nematode egg count. The results from this study appear to support reports from physicians regarding the beneficial effects of Mora in the treatment of parasites such as Babesia that are commonly found in patients suffering from Lyme disease (Borreliosis). These are some of the medicinal benefits of Yarrow confirmed by studies published since 2000: • ANTI-PARASITIC • ANTI-BACTERIAL • ANTI-FUNGAL • LYME DISEASE • ANTI-NOCICEPTIVE EFFECT (increases tolerance for pain) • ANTI-MOTILITY EFFECT • ESTROGENIC ACTIVITY • CHOLERETIC EFFECT • ANTI-OXIDANT ACTIVITY • CYTOPROTECTIVE ___________________________________________________________ NONI: (doesn't say it here, but also effective for Lyme) http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/noni_flyer_Bs.pdf • ADAPTOGEN • ANALGESIC • ANTICANCEROUS • ANTI-INFLAMMATORY • ANTIMICROBIAL • ANTIMUTAGENIC • ANTI-ULCEROUS • IMMUNOMODULATOR • SEDATIVE Howenstine, MD and other medical doctors report that the Nutramedix Noni extract can eliminate the symptoms associated with colds and flu within 3 to 4 hours. In early 2005, physicians at an Eastern European clinic administered Nutramedix Noni extract to patients with acute viral infections. All physicians reported rapid elimination of symptoms. _________________________________________________________ TAKUNA: http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/takuna_flyer_Bs.pdf Practitioners using the product have found that TAKUNA given every hour usually resolves influenzas in just a few hours. In some cases the symptoms are resolved in as little as one hour. It also appears to be very helpful in improving the condition of patients with viral infections like: Practitioners also report that TAKUNA is effective against some bacterial infections and some fungal infections. Researchers in Israel report that they have tested TAKUNA and have found it to be effective against Asian bird flu. • ANTIVIRAL • ANTIBACTERIAL • ANTIFUNGAL • CHRONIC VIRAL HEPATITIS (SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED) • HERPES ZOSTER- SHINGLES • CHRONIC EPSTEIN BARR • CHRONIC CYTOMEGALOVIRUS • ACUTE AND CHRONIC VIRAL ENCEPHALITIS AND MENINGITIS > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@> > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me > > To: " Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > Terry > > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > probably a different binder or an additional one. > > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > treatment. > >  feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents > > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood > > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samento or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it > > are you also taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier > > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us. > > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detox and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox > > > > jan > >  > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Hi, Can you provide the link for where you read that Burbur was antimicrobia? I went directly to the Nutramedix website and they have Burbur listed as a detoxer and I searched the entire website and never found any info about it being antimicrobial. Can you please provide the link. It is rather odd that they would provide the info. that I just posted to practitioners and not mention that it is antimicrobial as I would think this would be very important information for a practitioner to have particularly when many already prescribe other other antimicrobial herbs. > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@> > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me > > To: " Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > Terry > > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > probably a different binder or an additional one. > > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > treatment. > >  feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents > > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood > > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samento or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it > > are you also taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier > > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us. > > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detox and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox > > > > jan > >  > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 no i just rechecked again and it states burbur root has antimicrobial properties type in burbur in your search mode and rego to the nutramedix site and scroll all the way down. Terry Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 11:40 PM See below, this is the information that Nutramedix makes available to practitioners and nowhere is Burbur mentioned for antimicrobial properties. You will have to scroll down. I don't know if I am even supposed to share this publicly since the site does not make this info available, but here it is anyway. I am actually wondering if you are confusing Burbur with Banderol which is antimicrobial.SAMENTO:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/samento_flyer_Bs.pdf• ANTIBACTERIAL• ANTICANCEROUS• ANTIDEPRESSANT• ANTIFUNGAL• ANTI-HYPERTENSIVE• ANTILEUKEMIC• ANTIMUTAGENIC• ANTI-OXIDANT• ANTIPARASITIC• ANTIPARKINSONISM• ANTI-ULCEROUS• ANTIVIRAL• CYTOSTATIC• DEPURATIVE• DIURETIC• VERMIFUGESome of the beneficial properties of Samento are attributed to the pentacyclic oxindolealkaloids (POAs) that are found in the plant that act on the cellular immune system anddemonstrate powerful immune system modulating properties. Samento does not contain thetetracyclic oxindole alkaloids (TOAs) that are found in traditional Cat's Claw. TOAs disruptcentral nervous system function and greatly inhibit the effects of the POAs.Some researchers believe that Samento may be as much as 1,000 times more effective thanCat's Claw. One difference between Samento and Cat's Claw is that Cat's Claw is an immunesystem stimulant and Samento is an immune system modulator. Also, Samento can be used totreat all autoimmune disorders.In May 2005, pharmacological studies were conducted in laboratory rodents at the University ofGuayaquil, Ecuador. The anti-inflammatory effect study showed that Nutramedix Samentoextract inhibits inflammation by 83.8%.__________________________________________________________For Detox pathways:BURBUR:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/burbur_flyer_Bs.pdf• LIVER DETOX• LYMPHATIC DETOX• KIDNEY DETOX• GROUND MATRIX DETOX• BLOOD PURIFIER• ANTI-INFLAMMATORYThe herb in Burbur has been traditionally used for its body cleansing properties. It is veryeffective in aiding detoxification of the liver, kidneys, lymphatic system and the ground matrix.Burbur is commonly used in conjunction with antimicrobials produced by Nutramedix likeSamento, Quina and Cumanda. Many health care professionals have reported that Burbur canbe used in place of 5 detoxification remedies. In many cases a significant healing crisis(Herxheimer's reaction) can be dramatically reduced or eliminated with the frequent use ofBurbur, approximately every 10 minutes.__________________________________________________________CUMANDA:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/cumanda_flyer_Bs.pdf• ANTIBACTERIAL• ANTIFUNGAL• ANTIVIRAL• ANTIPARASITIC• ANTI-INFLAMMATORY• ANALGESIC• IMMUNE SYSTEM MODULATORCumanda is very effective in treating the Borrelia burgdorferi bacteria and practitioners arenow using it in conjunction with Samento to treat Lyme Borrelisosis. Lyme Borreliosis hasbeen linked to hundreds of medical conditions. Many researchers and physicians believethat Lyme Borreliosis may be a factor in most chronic conditions.One of the most impressive benefits of Cumanda is its antifungal action. Physicians reportthat it is effective in treating many difficult to treat fungi including Mycosis fungoides,Candida krusei, Candida albicans and Aspergillus niger, to name a few.In May 2005, pharmacological studies were conducted in laboratory rodents at theUniversity of Guayaquil in Ecuador. In an Anti-inflammatory Effect Study the NutramedixCumanda inhibited inflammation by 97%. It was compared with Pfizer's best selling andvery toxic anti-inflammatory drug, Feldene (Piroxicam), which inhibited inflammation by98%.In another pharmacological study conducted in laboratory rodents at the University ofGuayaquil in Ecuador, Nutramedix Cumanda was determined to be 86% as effective asaspirin as an analgesic.________________________________________________________QUINA:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/quina_flyer_B.pdfQuina has been used for centuries by native South Americans to treat a number of illnessesincluding malaria, cancer, fever, dysentery, typhoid, pneumonia, etc. It was oneof the first South American medicinal plants to become known outside of the Americas.It was first used in Europe in the mid- 1600's and recognized by the BritishPharmacopoeia in 1677. Quinine, one of the four alkaloids in Quina known to haveantimalarial properties, has been used to produce medicines to treat malaria for nearly200 years.Quina is utilized by some health care professionals in the U.S. as an important componentof a Lyme disease protocol. It has been found to be very effective in treatingBorrelia burgdorferi, the bacteria the causes Lyme disease, Babesia and many of the coinfectionsthat are usually associated with this condition.• ANTIBACTERIAL • ANTIMALARIAL• ANTIPROTOZOAL • ANTI-INFLAMMATORY__________________________________________________________BANDEROL:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/banderol_flyerB.pdf• BROAD SPECTRUM ANTIVIRAL• BROAD SPECTRUM ANTIFUNGAL• BROAD SPECTRUM ANTIBACTERIAL• BROAD SPECTRUM ANTIPARASITIC• ANTIMYCOPLASMA• ANTIPROTOZOAL• ANTIRICKETTSIAL• ANTI-INFLAMMATORYBanderol is very effective against Borrelia burgdorferi and the common co-infections inLyme disease. Banderol also kills some fungi that Cumanda does not.Some MICROBES treated by BANDEROL: Anaerobic and Aerobic rods and cocci (many),Aspergillus (some), Babesia, Bartonella, Borrelia, Candida (some), Chlamydia,Cytomegalovirus, Encephalitis viruses (some), Hepatitis viruses (some), Human PapillomaViruses (some), Mucor (some), Mycoplasma, Mycosis fungoides, Protozoal parasites(many), Rickettsia (including iella and Erlichia)Some CONDITIONS treated by BANDEROL: Acute and Chronic prostatitis, Acute andChronic respiratory tract infections (many), Acute and Chronic sinusitis, Asthma,Atherosclerotic disease, Cellulitis, Food poisoning, Lyme disease, Parkinson's disease,Psoriasis, Thrush, Urinary tract infections (many), Vaginal infections_________________________________________________________HOUTTUYNIA:(for bartonella too)http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/houttuynia_flyer_B.pdfANTI-BACTERIAL• ANTI-VIRAL• IMMUNOMODULATION• LYME DISEASE• ANTI-OXIDANT• ANTI-MUTAGENICHouttuynia cordata is a Chinese medicinal herb that is found throughout Eastern Asia. It has been usedtraditionally to treat various types of infections, inflammation, hypertension, sinusitis, pulmonary tuberculosis,etc. Dr. Schaller has found Houttuynia to be effective against Bartonella in vitro and in vivo and Dr.Lee Cowden has found Houttuynia to be effective against Bartonella clinically in patients who have resistantstrains of Bartonella.SELECTED STUDIES PUBLISHED FROM 2003 TO 2009:Biological and antibacterial activities of the natural herb Houttuynia cordata water extract against theintracellular bacterial pathogen salmonella within the RAW 264.7 macrophage - Conclusion: H. cordata isstable and beneficial in the treatment of bacterial infection including intracellularly replicating pathogens andmay solve antimicrobial misuse and overuse.Down-regulation of FcepsilonRI expression by Houttuynia cordata Thunb extract inhuman basophilic KU812F cells - Conclusion: These results suggest that H. cordata extractmay exert its anti-allergic activity through down-regulation of FcepsilonRI expression and asubsequent decrease in histamine release.Anti-enterovirus 71 activity screening of chinese herbs with anti-infection andinflammation activities - Conclusion: H. cordata extract has antiviral activity, and it offersa potential to develop a new anti-EV71 agent.Immunomodulatory and anti-SARS activities of Houttuynia cordata - Conclusion: Theresults of this study provided scientific data to support the efficient and safe use of H.cordata to combat severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).Antioxidative activity, polyphenolic content and anti-glycation effect of some Thaimedicinal plants traditionally used in diabetic patients - Conclusion: 30 plant extractsevaluated- Phyllanthus emblica and H. cordata have the highest anti-oxidant activity.A study of the antioxidative and antimutagenic effects of Houttuynia cordata Thunb.using an oxidized frying oil-fed model - Conclusion: H. cordata showed both antioxidativeand antimutagenic properties under OFO feeding-induced oxidative stress__________________________________________________________BARBERRY:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/barberry_flyer_Bs.pdfThe Mayo Clinic has published research proving that chronic sinusitis is caused by an underlyingfungal infection in the sinuses with a superimposed bacterial infection. Only the acute superimposedbacterial infection is eliminated when a patient is treated with a standard pharmaceuticalantibacterial; the underlying chronic fungal infection in the sinuses is not addressed. BARBERRYaddresses both the bacterial and fungal infections.Many patients that have asthma and bronchospastic disease have chronic sinusitis or chronic bronchitisas an underlying cause. Since BARBERRY addresses the underlying infectious causesso well, it usually helps resolve the bronchospasm and asthma. Many practitioners have alsofound that atherosclerotic disease appears to be primarily an infectious disease caused bybacteria, fungi and sometimes viruses; those practitioners have found BARBERRY to bevery helpful in resolving the infection which then causes the atherosclerosis to diminish andresolve. BARBERRY effectively treats Chlamydia pneumoniae, mycoplasma, many herpesviruses of different types and mucor; peer-reviewed literature states that all of these areknown to cause atherosclerotic disease.In 2004, a study performed at Comenius University in Bratislava, Slovakia confirmed bothantifungal and antibacterial properties of Mahonia aquifolium. Published studies confirmthat Jatrorrhizine, one of the compounds in Mahonia aquifolium, has been found to have significantantifungal properties.Some other medicinal properties that have been reported are:• ANTIBACTERIAL• ANTIFUNGAL• ANTIOXIDANT• ANTIMUTAGENIC• ANTIPSORIATIC• ANTIHYPERTENSIVE• ANTI-INFLAMMATORY• CHOLAGOGUE• ASTRINGENT• STOMACHIC• ALTERATIVE• ANTIPROLIFERATIVE• ACUTE AND CHRONIC SINUSITIS• BRONCHITIS• URINARY TRACT INFECTIONS• PROSTATITIS• PSORIASIS• BRONCHOSPASTIC DISEASE• ATHEROSCLEROTIC DISEASE• ASTHMA__________________________________________________________ENULA: (Elecampane):http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/enula_flyer_Bs.pdf• ANTI-PARASITIC• ANTI-BACTERIAL• LYME DISEASE• DIGESTIVE SYSTEM HEALTHElecampane contains inulin, a phytochemical that coats and soothes the lining of the bronchial passages andacts as an expectorant in the body. Inulin helps promote beneficial intestinal bacteria, very important since80% of the immune system is located in the digestive system. Studies have also shown two other activeingredients in elecampane, alantolactone and isoalantolactone, to be useful in treating parasites, includingroundworm, hookworm, whipworm, and threadworm; this research supports the traditional use ofelecampane to treat digestive disorders and parasitic infections. It has also been reported that Enula iseffective against certain species of Babesia, a parasite commonly associated with Borreliosis (Lyme disease).Elecampane root and rhizome contain approximately 1–4% volatile oils. Most of these volatile oils arecomposed of sesquiterpene lactones, including alantolactone. Elecampane is also very high in inulin (44%)and mucilage. Most herbal texts attribute the actions of elecampane to alantolactone. The antitussive (coughprevention and treatment) and carminative (intestinal tract soothing) effects of elecampane,however, may possibly be due to the inulin and mucilage content.In a 1:1000 dilution Elecampane kills the parasitic worm Ascaris in 16 hours. Alantolactonehas an anti-inflammatory action, it also reduces mucous secretions and stimulates theimmune system.In late 2007, researchers at Cork Institute of Technology, in Cork, Ireland reported thatElecampane kills the potentially fatal methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA).Extracts from two plants were tested against a group of 300 staphylococci including MRSAand Elecampane proved 100% effective against the superbug._________________________________________________________MORA:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/mora_flyer_Bs.pdfA group of researchers from India published a study in September 2008 reporting on the anti-helminthic(intestinal worm anti-parasitic) activity of Yarrow. The in vitro study revealed a very significant effectkilling94.4% of intestinal worms. The in vivo (sheep) portion of the study reported an 88.4% reductionin nematode egg count. The results from this study appear to support reports fromphysicians regarding the beneficial effects of Mora in the treatment of parasites such asBabesia that are commonly found in patients suffering from Lyme disease (Borreliosis).These are some of the medicinal benefits of Yarrow confirmed by studies published since2000:• ANTI-PARASITIC• ANTI-BACTERIAL• ANTI-FUNGAL• LYME DISEASE• ANTI-NOCICEPTIVE EFFECT (increases tolerance for pain)• ANTI-MOTILITY EFFECT• ESTROGENIC ACTIVITY• CHOLERETIC EFFECT• ANTI-OXIDANT ACTIVITY• CYTOPROTECTIVE__________________________________________________________NONI: (doesn't say it here, but also effective for Lyme)http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/noni_flyer_Bs.pdf• ADAPTOGEN• ANALGESIC• ANTICANCEROUS• ANTI-INFLAMMATORY• ANTIMICROBIAL• ANTIMUTAGENIC• ANTI-ULCEROUS• IMMUNOMODULATOR• SEDATIVE Howenstine, MD and other medical doctors report that the Nutramedix Noni extract caneliminate the symptoms associated with colds and flu within 3 to 4 hours.In early 2005, physicians at an Eastern European clinic administered Nutramedix Noni extractto patients with acute viral infections. All physicians reported rapid elimination of symptoms._________________________________________________________TAKUNA:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/takuna_flyer_Bs.pdfPractitioners using the product have found that TAKUNA given every hourusually resolves influenzas in just a few hours. In some cases the symptoms areresolved in as little as one hour.It also appears to be very helpful in improving the condition of patients with viralinfections like:Practitioners also report that TAKUNA is effective against some bacterialinfections and some fungal infections.Researchers in Israel report that they have tested TAKUNA and have found it tobe effective against Asian bird flu.• ANTIVIRAL• ANTIBACTERIAL• ANTIFUNGAL• CHRONIC VIRAL HEPATITIS (SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED)• HERPES ZOSTER- SHINGLES• CHRONIC EPSTEIN BARR• CHRONIC CYTOMEGALOVIRUS• ACUTE AND CHRONIC VIRAL ENCEPHALITIS AND MENINGITIS> > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@>> > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me> > To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >> > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > Terry> > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > probably a different binder or an additional one.> > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > treatment.> >  feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents> > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood> > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samento or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it> > are you also taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier> > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.> > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detox and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox> > > > jan> >  > > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Can you just post the link to the page as I never found it. I typed it in to the search at the site and nothing came up for me. Thanks, > > > > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@> > > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me > > > To: " Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > > > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Terry > > > > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > > probably a different binder or an additional one. > > > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > > treatment. > > > ÃÆ'‚ feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents > > > > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood > > > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samentoÃÆ'‚ or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it > > > are you alsoÃÆ'‚ taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier > > > > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us. > > > > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detoxÃÆ'‚ and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox > > > > > > jan > > >  > > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 that was herb not root that i meant to type in my previous response. Terry Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 11:40 PM See below, this is the information that Nutramedix makes available to practitioners and nowhere is Burbur mentioned for antimicrobial properties. You will have to scroll down. I don't know if I am even supposed to share this publicly since the site does not make this info available, but here it is anyway. I am actually wondering if you are confusing Burbur with Banderol which is antimicrobial.SAMENTO:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/samento_flyer_Bs.pdf• ANTIBACTERIAL• ANTICANCEROUS• ANTIDEPRESSANT• ANTIFUNGAL• ANTI-HYPERTENSIVE• ANTILEUKEMIC• ANTIMUTAGENIC• ANTI-OXIDANT• ANTIPARASITIC• ANTIPARKINSONISM• ANTI-ULCEROUS• ANTIVIRAL• CYTOSTATIC• DEPURATIVE• DIURETIC• VERMIFUGESome of the beneficial properties of Samento are attributed to the pentacyclic oxindolealkaloids (POAs) that are found in the plant that act on the cellular immune system anddemonstrate powerful immune system modulating properties. Samento does not contain thetetracyclic oxindole alkaloids (TOAs) that are found in traditional Cat's Claw. TOAs disruptcentral nervous system function and greatly inhibit the effects of the POAs.Some researchers believe that Samento may be as much as 1,000 times more effective thanCat's Claw. One difference between Samento and Cat's Claw is that Cat's Claw is an immunesystem stimulant and Samento is an immune system modulator. Also, Samento can be used totreat all autoimmune disorders.In May 2005, pharmacological studies were conducted in laboratory rodents at the University ofGuayaquil, Ecuador. The anti-inflammatory effect study showed that Nutramedix Samentoextract inhibits inflammation by 83.8%.__________________________________________________________For Detox pathways:BURBUR:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/burbur_flyer_Bs.pdf• LIVER DETOX• LYMPHATIC DETOX• KIDNEY DETOX• GROUND MATRIX DETOX• BLOOD PURIFIER• ANTI-INFLAMMATORYThe herb in Burbur has been traditionally used for its body cleansing properties. It is veryeffective in aiding detoxification of the liver, kidneys, lymphatic system and the ground matrix.Burbur is commonly used in conjunction with antimicrobials produced by Nutramedix likeSamento, Quina and Cumanda. Many health care professionals have reported that Burbur canbe used in place of 5 detoxification remedies. In many cases a significant healing crisis(Herxheimer's reaction) can be dramatically reduced or eliminated with the frequent use ofBurbur, approximately every 10 minutes.__________________________________________________________CUMANDA:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/cumanda_flyer_Bs.pdf• ANTIBACTERIAL• ANTIFUNGAL• ANTIVIRAL• ANTIPARASITIC• ANTI-INFLAMMATORY• ANALGESIC• IMMUNE SYSTEM MODULATORCumanda is very effective in treating the Borrelia burgdorferi bacteria and practitioners arenow using it in conjunction with Samento to treat Lyme Borrelisosis. Lyme Borreliosis hasbeen linked to hundreds of medical conditions. Many researchers and physicians believethat Lyme Borreliosis may be a factor in most chronic conditions.One of the most impressive benefits of Cumanda is its antifungal action. Physicians reportthat it is effective in treating many difficult to treat fungi including Mycosis fungoides,Candida krusei, Candida albicans and Aspergillus niger, to name a few.In May 2005, pharmacological studies were conducted in laboratory rodents at theUniversity of Guayaquil in Ecuador. In an Anti-inflammatory Effect Study the NutramedixCumanda inhibited inflammation by 97%. It was compared with Pfizer's best selling andvery toxic anti-inflammatory drug, Feldene (Piroxicam), which inhibited inflammation by98%.In another pharmacological study conducted in laboratory rodents at the University ofGuayaquil in Ecuador, Nutramedix Cumanda was determined to be 86% as effective asaspirin as an analgesic.________________________________________________________QUINA:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/quina_flyer_B.pdfQuina has been used for centuries by native South Americans to treat a number of illnessesincluding malaria, cancer, fever, dysentery, typhoid, pneumonia, etc. It was oneof the first South American medicinal plants to become known outside of the Americas.It was first used in Europe in the mid- 1600's and recognized by the BritishPharmacopoeia in 1677. Quinine, one of the four alkaloids in Quina known to haveantimalarial properties, has been used to produce medicines to treat malaria for nearly200 years.Quina is utilized by some health care professionals in the U.S. as an important componentof a Lyme disease protocol. It has been found to be very effective in treatingBorrelia burgdorferi, the bacteria the causes Lyme disease, Babesia and many of the coinfectionsthat are usually associated with this condition.• ANTIBACTERIAL • ANTIMALARIAL• ANTIPROTOZOAL • ANTI-INFLAMMATORY__________________________________________________________BANDEROL:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/banderol_flyerB.pdf• BROAD SPECTRUM ANTIVIRAL• BROAD SPECTRUM ANTIFUNGAL• BROAD SPECTRUM ANTIBACTERIAL• BROAD SPECTRUM ANTIPARASITIC• ANTIMYCOPLASMA• ANTIPROTOZOAL• ANTIRICKETTSIAL• ANTI-INFLAMMATORYBanderol is very effective against Borrelia burgdorferi and the common co-infections inLyme disease. Banderol also kills some fungi that Cumanda does not.Some MICROBES treated by BANDEROL: Anaerobic and Aerobic rods and cocci (many),Aspergillus (some), Babesia, Bartonella, Borrelia, Candida (some), Chlamydia,Cytomegalovirus, Encephalitis viruses (some), Hepatitis viruses (some), Human PapillomaViruses (some), Mucor (some), Mycoplasma, Mycosis fungoides, Protozoal parasites(many), Rickettsia (including iella and Erlichia)Some CONDITIONS treated by BANDEROL: Acute and Chronic prostatitis, Acute andChronic respiratory tract infections (many), Acute and Chronic sinusitis, Asthma,Atherosclerotic disease, Cellulitis, Food poisoning, Lyme disease, Parkinson's disease,Psoriasis, Thrush, Urinary tract infections (many), Vaginal infections_________________________________________________________HOUTTUYNIA:(for bartonella too)http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/houttuynia_flyer_B.pdfANTI-BACTERIAL• ANTI-VIRAL• IMMUNOMODULATION• LYME DISEASE• ANTI-OXIDANT• ANTI-MUTAGENICHouttuynia cordata is a Chinese medicinal herb that is found throughout Eastern Asia. It has been usedtraditionally to treat various types of infections, inflammation, hypertension, sinusitis, pulmonary tuberculosis,etc. Dr. Schaller has found Houttuynia to be effective against Bartonella in vitro and in vivo and Dr.Lee Cowden has found Houttuynia to be effective against Bartonella clinically in patients who have resistantstrains of Bartonella.SELECTED STUDIES PUBLISHED FROM 2003 TO 2009:Biological and antibacterial activities of the natural herb Houttuynia cordata water extract against theintracellular bacterial pathogen salmonella within the RAW 264.7 macrophage - Conclusion: H. cordata isstable and beneficial in the treatment of bacterial infection including intracellularly replicating pathogens andmay solve antimicrobial misuse and overuse.Down-regulation of FcepsilonRI expression by Houttuynia cordata Thunb extract inhuman basophilic KU812F cells - Conclusion: These results suggest that H. cordata extractmay exert its anti-allergic activity through down-regulation of FcepsilonRI expression and asubsequent decrease in histamine release.Anti-enterovirus 71 activity screening of chinese herbs with anti-infection andinflammation activities - Conclusion: H. cordata extract has antiviral activity, and it offersa potential to develop a new anti-EV71 agent.Immunomodulatory and anti-SARS activities of Houttuynia cordata - Conclusion: Theresults of this study provided scientific data to support the efficient and safe use of H.cordata to combat severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).Antioxidative activity, polyphenolic content and anti-glycation effect of some Thaimedicinal plants traditionally used in diabetic patients - Conclusion: 30 plant extractsevaluated- Phyllanthus emblica and H. cordata have the highest anti-oxidant activity.A study of the antioxidative and antimutagenic effects of Houttuynia cordata Thunb.using an oxidized frying oil-fed model - Conclusion: H. cordata showed both antioxidativeand antimutagenic properties under OFO feeding-induced oxidative stress__________________________________________________________BARBERRY:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/barberry_flyer_Bs.pdfThe Mayo Clinic has published research proving that chronic sinusitis is caused by an underlyingfungal infection in the sinuses with a superimposed bacterial infection. Only the acute superimposedbacterial infection is eliminated when a patient is treated with a standard pharmaceuticalantibacterial; the underlying chronic fungal infection in the sinuses is not addressed. BARBERRYaddresses both the bacterial and fungal infections.Many patients that have asthma and bronchospastic disease have chronic sinusitis or chronic bronchitisas an underlying cause. Since BARBERRY addresses the underlying infectious causesso well, it usually helps resolve the bronchospasm and asthma. Many practitioners have alsofound that atherosclerotic disease appears to be primarily an infectious disease caused bybacteria, fungi and sometimes viruses; those practitioners have found BARBERRY to bevery helpful in resolving the infection which then causes the atherosclerosis to diminish andresolve. BARBERRY effectively treats Chlamydia pneumoniae, mycoplasma, many herpesviruses of different types and mucor; peer-reviewed literature states that all of these areknown to cause atherosclerotic disease.In 2004, a study performed at Comenius University in Bratislava, Slovakia confirmed bothantifungal and antibacterial properties of Mahonia aquifolium. Published studies confirmthat Jatrorrhizine, one of the compounds in Mahonia aquifolium, has been found to have significantantifungal properties.Some other medicinal properties that have been reported are:• ANTIBACTERIAL• ANTIFUNGAL• ANTIOXIDANT• ANTIMUTAGENIC• ANTIPSORIATIC• ANTIHYPERTENSIVE• ANTI-INFLAMMATORY• CHOLAGOGUE• ASTRINGENT• STOMACHIC• ALTERATIVE• ANTIPROLIFERATIVE• ACUTE AND CHRONIC SINUSITIS• BRONCHITIS• URINARY TRACT INFECTIONS• PROSTATITIS• PSORIASIS• BRONCHOSPASTIC DISEASE• ATHEROSCLEROTIC DISEASE• ASTHMA__________________________________________________________ENULA: (Elecampane):http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/enula_flyer_Bs.pdf• ANTI-PARASITIC• ANTI-BACTERIAL• LYME DISEASE• DIGESTIVE SYSTEM HEALTHElecampane contains inulin, a phytochemical that coats and soothes the lining of the bronchial passages andacts as an expectorant in the body. Inulin helps promote beneficial intestinal bacteria, very important since80% of the immune system is located in the digestive system. Studies have also shown two other activeingredients in elecampane, alantolactone and isoalantolactone, to be useful in treating parasites, includingroundworm, hookworm, whipworm, and threadworm; this research supports the traditional use ofelecampane to treat digestive disorders and parasitic infections. It has also been reported that Enula iseffective against certain species of Babesia, a parasite commonly associated with Borreliosis (Lyme disease).Elecampane root and rhizome contain approximately 1–4% volatile oils. Most of these volatile oils arecomposed of sesquiterpene lactones, including alantolactone. Elecampane is also very high in inulin (44%)and mucilage. Most herbal texts attribute the actions of elecampane to alantolactone. The antitussive (coughprevention and treatment) and carminative (intestinal tract soothing) effects of elecampane,however, may possibly be due to the inulin and mucilage content.In a 1:1000 dilution Elecampane kills the parasitic worm Ascaris in 16 hours. Alantolactonehas an anti-inflammatory action, it also reduces mucous secretions and stimulates theimmune system.In late 2007, researchers at Cork Institute of Technology, in Cork, Ireland reported thatElecampane kills the potentially fatal methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA).Extracts from two plants were tested against a group of 300 staphylococci including MRSAand Elecampane proved 100% effective against the superbug._________________________________________________________MORA:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/mora_flyer_Bs.pdfA group of researchers from India published a study in September 2008 reporting on the anti-helminthic(intestinal worm anti-parasitic) activity of Yarrow. The in vitro study revealed a very significant effectkilling94.4% of intestinal worms. The in vivo (sheep) portion of the study reported an 88.4% reductionin nematode egg count. The results from this study appear to support reports fromphysicians regarding the beneficial effects of Mora in the treatment of parasites such asBabesia that are commonly found in patients suffering from Lyme disease (Borreliosis).These are some of the medicinal benefits of Yarrow confirmed by studies published since2000:• ANTI-PARASITIC• ANTI-BACTERIAL• ANTI-FUNGAL• LYME DISEASE• ANTI-NOCICEPTIVE EFFECT (increases tolerance for pain)• ANTI-MOTILITY EFFECT• ESTROGENIC ACTIVITY• CHOLERETIC EFFECT• ANTI-OXIDANT ACTIVITY• CYTOPROTECTIVE__________________________________________________________NONI: (doesn't say it here, but also effective for Lyme)http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/noni_flyer_Bs.pdf• ADAPTOGEN• ANALGESIC• ANTICANCEROUS• ANTI-INFLAMMATORY• ANTIMICROBIAL• ANTIMUTAGENIC• ANTI-ULCEROUS• IMMUNOMODULATOR• SEDATIVE Howenstine, MD and other medical doctors report that the Nutramedix Noni extract caneliminate the symptoms associated with colds and flu within 3 to 4 hours.In early 2005, physicians at an Eastern European clinic administered Nutramedix Noni extractto patients with acute viral infections. All physicians reported rapid elimination of symptoms._________________________________________________________TAKUNA:http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/takuna_flyer_Bs.pdfPractitioners using the product have found that TAKUNA given every hourusually resolves influenzas in just a few hours. In some cases the symptoms areresolved in as little as one hour.It also appears to be very helpful in improving the condition of patients with viralinfections like:Practitioners also report that TAKUNA is effective against some bacterialinfections and some fungal infections.Researchers in Israel report that they have tested TAKUNA and have found it tobe effective against Asian bird flu.• ANTIVIRAL• ANTIBACTERIAL• ANTIFUNGAL• CHRONIC VIRAL HEPATITIS (SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED)• HERPES ZOSTER- SHINGLES• CHRONIC EPSTEIN BARR• CHRONIC CYTOMEGALOVIRUS• ACUTE AND CHRONIC VIRAL ENCEPHALITIS AND MENINGITIS> > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@>> > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me> > To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >> > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > Terry> > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > probably a different binder or an additional one.> > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > treatment.> >  feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents> > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood> > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samento or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it> > are you also taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier> > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.> > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detox and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox> > > > jan> >  > > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 were you able to find it?I am wondering if thats why i felt so horrible everytime i tried it...Antimicrobial is one of the herbs propertys Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 11:55 PM Hi,Can you provide the link for where you read that Burbur was antimicrobia? I went directly to the Nutramedix website and they have Burbur listed as a detoxer and I searched the entire website and never found any info about it being antimicrobial. Can you please provide the link. It is rather odd that they would provide the info. that I just posted to practitioners and not mention that it is antimicrobial as I would think this would be very important information for a practitioner to have particularly when many already prescribe other other antimicrobial herbs. > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@>> > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me> > To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >> > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > Terry> > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > probably a different binder or an additional one.> > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > treatment.> >  feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents> > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood> > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samento or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it> > are you also taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier> > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.> > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detox and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox> > > > jan> >  > > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I went to the site and searched Burbur and the following is what came up on the site, I scrolled all the way to the bottom: BURBUR Detox Our Products: Liquid Products Item Number: 01675 Size: 1 fl oz (30 ml) Serving size: 10 drops Servings per container: 60 You can earn 25 Reward Points on this product! Price: $24.95 Click Here to see How to Save. ORDER QTY PRODUCT SAVINGS PRICE PER UNIT 1 BURBUR Detox $24.95 4-11 10% Savings $22.46 12+ 20% Savings $19.96 Tell a friend BURBUR <br/> Detox > > > > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@> > > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me > > > To: " Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > > > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Terry > > > > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > > probably a different binder or an additional one. > > > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > > treatment. > > > ÃÆ'‚ feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents > > > > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood > > > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samentoÃÆ'‚ or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it > > > are you alsoÃÆ'‚ taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier > > > > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us. > > > > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detoxÃÆ'‚ and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox > > > > > > jan > > >  > > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I am not computer savey go to google type in burbur scroll down to where it just says burbur with the nutramedix link Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 12:29 AM Can you just post the link to the page as I never found it. I typed it in to the search at the site and nothing came up for me.Thanks,> > > > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@>> > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me> > > To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >> > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Terry> > > > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > > probably a different binder or an additional one.> > > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > > treatment.> > > ÃÆ'‚ feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents> > > > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood> > > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samentoÃÆ'‚ or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it> > > are you alsoÃÆ'‚ taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier> > > > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.> > > > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detoxÃÆ'‚ and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox> > > > > > jan> > >  > > > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I am going to contact the company, because I have talked with them at length about this herb since I recommend it to many people that I work with. I have never had any reports from anyone about it causing any type of side effect other then to knock out a herx. I am still going to trust the detailed information that I received from the company since it did not list it as antimicrobial. On another note, I have a 6 DVD set on the Cowden Laser Detoxification protocol and he clearly states that some people are too sick to detox. So if 15 drops of Burbur bothered you, then you may fall in that category and must start slow with whatever detox protocol you do. Dr Cowden had some success with BH4 a drug that has very limited availability in this country. BH4 helps with the Methylation of Ammonia, however you must detox sulphur before starting the BH4. Ecological Formulas makes a Homeopathic version of BH4, but I have heard mixed reactions on its effectiveness. Speaking of detoxing Sulphur, have you tried Sparga. I find that when I would have really strong herxes that Sparga would really help with the burden of Sulphur on my body. Particularly since many foods contain Sulphur and if you have mutations in your genes that cause poor methylation of Sulphur and Ammonia then it will make your herxing much worse. Ammonia particularly is linked to brain fog. Saunas were too much for me when I first started treating Lyme due to the fact that I was detoxing so many heavy metals and Pesticides. I finally figured out that I could open an EDTA capsule and Redisorb liquid Glutathione into a coffee enema and do the CE about an hour after taking zeolite, chlorella and charcoal. This has worked the best for getting my overall heavy metals load down. I am still working on the pesticides and the BPAs, but they are much better, since I have brought myself back from very severe Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Head Tremors. > > > > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@> > > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me > > > To: " Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > > > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Terry > > > > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > > probably a different binder or an additional one. > > > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > > treatment. > > > ÃÆ'‚ feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents > > > > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood > > > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samentoÃÆ'‚ or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it > > > are you alsoÃÆ'‚ taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier > > > > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us. > > > > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detoxÃÆ'‚ and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox > > > > > > jan > > >  > > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I am sure burburs a great detoxifier if you are following cowdens protocol but it has antimicrobial properties which wouldnt matter under his protocol as theres no coiling involved when i took it on 3 different occasions it made me feel worse seems anything antimicrobial whether herbs ,supplements or pharm makes me so much worse thats why i researched it because everyone was telling me its a great detoxifier which i have no doubt it is but after i researched it and found it had antimicrobial properties that would explain my bad reaction.Garlic,gse,mms,oregano oil and bromelien and serrapeptase have that worsening effect on me Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 12:29 AM Can you just post the link to the page as I never found it. I typed it in to the search at the site and nothing came up for me.Thanks,> > > > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@>> > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me> > > To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >> > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Terry> > > > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > > probably a different binder or an additional one.> > > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > > treatment.> > > ÃÆ'‚ feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents> > > > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood> > > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samentoÃÆ'‚ or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it> > > are you alsoÃÆ'‚ taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier> > > > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.> > > > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detoxÃÆ'‚ and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox> > > > > > jan> > >  > > > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 did you type in burbur on google?If you did there is noway you cant find this.It has nothing to do with my detoxing everything that has antimicrobial properties makes me worse i was diccusing that with my lyme doc yesterday thats why he brought up rifing off the record he told me the reason antimicrobials are having this effect on you is because from what he thinks there giving me herxes Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 12:48 AM I am going to contact the company, because I have talked with them at length about this herb since I recommend it to many people that I work with. I have never had any reports from anyone about it causing any type of side effect other then to knock out a herx. I am still going to trust the detailed information that I received from the company since it did not list it as antimicrobial.On another note, I have a 6 DVD set on the Cowden Laser Detoxification protocol and he clearly states that some people are too sick to detox. So if 15 drops of Burbur bothered you, then you may fall in that category and must start slow with whatever detox protocol you do. Dr Cowden had some success with BH4 a drug that has very limited availability in this country. BH4 helps with the Methylation of Ammonia, however you must detox sulphur before starting the BH4. Ecological Formulas makes a Homeopathic version of BH4, but I have heard mixed reactions on its effectiveness. Speaking of detoxing Sulphur, have you tried Sparga. I find that when I would have really strong herxes that Sparga would really help with the burden of Sulphur on my body. Particularly since many foods contain Sulphur and if you have mutations in your genes that cause poor methylation of Sulphur and Ammonia then it will make your herxing much worse. Ammonia particularly is linked to brain fog. Saunas were too much for me when I first started treating Lyme due to the fact that I was detoxing so many heavy metals and Pesticides. I finally figured out that I could open an EDTA capsule and Redisorb liquid Glutathione into a coffee enema and do the CE about an hour after taking zeolite, chlorella and charcoal. This has worked the best for getting my overall heavy metals load down. I am still working on the pesticides and the BPAs, but they are much better, since I have brought myself back from very severe Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Head Tremors.> > > > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@>> > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me> > > To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >> > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Terry> > > > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > > probably a different binder or an additional one.> > > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > > treatment.> > > ÃÆ'‚ feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents> > > > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood> > > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samentoÃÆ'‚ or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it> > > are you alsoÃÆ'‚ taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier> > > > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.> > > > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detoxÃÆ'‚ and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox> > > > > > jan> > >  > > > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 does cowdens protocal involve coiling?No so burbur having antimicrobial properties would have no negative inpact on his protocal. why you arent finding this through google i dont know but its there . Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 12:48 AM I am going to contact the company, because I have talked with them at length about this herb since I recommend it to many people that I work with. I have never had any reports from anyone about it causing any type of side effect other then to knock out a herx. I am still going to trust the detailed information that I received from the company since it did not list it as antimicrobial.On another note, I have a 6 DVD set on the Cowden Laser Detoxification protocol and he clearly states that some people are too sick to detox. So if 15 drops of Burbur bothered you, then you may fall in that category and must start slow with whatever detox protocol you do. Dr Cowden had some success with BH4 a drug that has very limited availability in this country. BH4 helps with the Methylation of Ammonia, however you must detox sulphur before starting the BH4. Ecological Formulas makes a Homeopathic version of BH4, but I have heard mixed reactions on its effectiveness. Speaking of detoxing Sulphur, have you tried Sparga. I find that when I would have really strong herxes that Sparga would really help with the burden of Sulphur on my body. Particularly since many foods contain Sulphur and if you have mutations in your genes that cause poor methylation of Sulphur and Ammonia then it will make your herxing much worse. Ammonia particularly is linked to brain fog. Saunas were too much for me when I first started treating Lyme due to the fact that I was detoxing so many heavy metals and Pesticides. I finally figured out that I could open an EDTA capsule and Redisorb liquid Glutathione into a coffee enema and do the CE about an hour after taking zeolite, chlorella and charcoal. This has worked the best for getting my overall heavy metals load down. I am still working on the pesticides and the BPAs, but they are much better, since I have brought myself back from very severe Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Head Tremors.> > > > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@>> > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me> > > To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >> > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Terry> > > > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > > probably a different binder or an additional one.> > > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > > treatment.> > > ÃÆ'‚ feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents> > > > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood> > > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samentoÃÆ'‚ or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it> > > are you alsoÃÆ'‚ taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier> > > > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.> > > > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detoxÃÆ'‚ and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox> > > > > > jan> > >  > > > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 is Cowden a lyme doc per sec or a cardiologist?My doc is a md who specializes in lyme look him up Dr Bock,Rhinebeck N.Y. He never made mention to me i have any problem detoxing theres no problem with me moving my bowels i am regular 2 times a day i drink plenty of fluid and i am constant in that area to.If i was having detox problems there would be an issue with me not being regular etc if i am wrong please prove that to me..I dont care what Cowden states he not the almighty grail of lyme and detoxing neither is me doc but this is his specialty and hes very well rtespected in the lyme community. Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 12:48 AM I am going to contact the company, because I have talked with them at length about this herb since I recommend it to many people that I work with. I have never had any reports from anyone about it causing any type of side effect other then to knock out a herx. I am still going to trust the detailed information that I received from the company since it did not list it as antimicrobial.On another note, I have a 6 DVD set on the Cowden Laser Detoxification protocol and he clearly states that some people are too sick to detox. So if 15 drops of Burbur bothered you, then you may fall in that category and must start slow with whatever detox protocol you do. Dr Cowden had some success with BH4 a drug that has very limited availability in this country. BH4 helps with the Methylation of Ammonia, however you must detox sulphur before starting the BH4. Ecological Formulas makes a Homeopathic version of BH4, but I have heard mixed reactions on its effectiveness. Speaking of detoxing Sulphur, have you tried Sparga. I find that when I would have really strong herxes that Sparga would really help with the burden of Sulphur on my body. Particularly since many foods contain Sulphur and if you have mutations in your genes that cause poor methylation of Sulphur and Ammonia then it will make your herxing much worse. Ammonia particularly is linked to brain fog. Saunas were too much for me when I first started treating Lyme due to the fact that I was detoxing so many heavy metals and Pesticides. I finally figured out that I could open an EDTA capsule and Redisorb liquid Glutathione into a coffee enema and do the CE about an hour after taking zeolite, chlorella and charcoal. This has worked the best for getting my overall heavy metals load down. I am still working on the pesticides and the BPAs, but they are much better, since I have brought myself back from very severe Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Head Tremors.> > > > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@>> > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me> > > To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >> > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Terry> > > > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > > probably a different binder or an additional one.> > > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > > treatment.> > > ÃÆ'‚ feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents> > > > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood> > > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samentoÃÆ'‚ or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it> > > are you alsoÃÆ'‚ taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier> > > > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.> > > > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detoxÃÆ'‚ and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox> > > > > > jan> > >  > > > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 The only point i am trying to make if you look as i told you under google type in burbur you will find the info as i stated .. Subject: Re: No more burbur for meTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 12:48 AM I am going to contact the company, because I have talked with them at length about this herb since I recommend it to many people that I work with. I have never had any reports from anyone about it causing any type of side effect other then to knock out a herx. I am still going to trust the detailed information that I received from the company since it did not list it as antimicrobial.On another note, I have a 6 DVD set on the Cowden Laser Detoxification protocol and he clearly states that some people are too sick to detox. So if 15 drops of Burbur bothered you, then you may fall in that category and must start slow with whatever detox protocol you do. Dr Cowden had some success with BH4 a drug that has very limited availability in this country. BH4 helps with the Methylation of Ammonia, however you must detox sulphur before starting the BH4. Ecological Formulas makes a Homeopathic version of BH4, but I have heard mixed reactions on its effectiveness. Speaking of detoxing Sulphur, have you tried Sparga. I find that when I would have really strong herxes that Sparga would really help with the burden of Sulphur on my body. Particularly since many foods contain Sulphur and if you have mutations in your genes that cause poor methylation of Sulphur and Ammonia then it will make your herxing much worse. Ammonia particularly is linked to brain fog. Saunas were too much for me when I first started treating Lyme due to the fact that I was detoxing so many heavy metals and Pesticides. I finally figured out that I could open an EDTA capsule and Redisorb liquid Glutathione into a coffee enema and do the CE about an hour after taking zeolite, chlorella and charcoal. This has worked the best for getting my overall heavy metals load down. I am still working on the pesticides and the BPAs, but they are much better, since I have brought myself back from very severe Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Head Tremors.> > > > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@>> > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me> > > To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >> > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > Terry> > > > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > > probably a different binder or an additional one.> > > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > > treatment.> > > ÃÆ'‚ feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents> > > > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood> > > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samentoÃÆ'‚ or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it> > > are you alsoÃÆ'‚ taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier> > > > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us.> > > > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detoxÃÆ'‚ and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox> > > > > > jan> > >  > > > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Dr Cowden is an MD who has been a frontrunner in the treatment of Lyme disease. He is highly respected in the Lyme community and presents at many of the Lyme conferences. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@> > > > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me > > > > To: " Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > > > > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â\  > > > > > > > > Terry > > > > > > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > > > probably a different binder or an additional one. > > > > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > > > treatment. > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents > > > > > > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood > > > > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samentoÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it > > > > are you alsoÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier > > > > > > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us. > > > > > > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detoxÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox > > > > > > > > jan > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Let me give you some history on the use of the coil machine and the information that your MD gave you on the use of antimicrobials and rife. No one knows for sure if the use of these herbs has a negative imapact on rifing in terms of encysting the disease it is purely speculative. The majority of people that your MD sees that are rifers more then likely got their info from this group and particularly Stolar who cured his own Lyme with a coil and builds coil machines. He personally believes based on his experience with many of the Lymies that he has dealt with, that the folks who use antimicrobials whether herbal or antibiotic seem to take longer to kill Lyme and his personal belief is that it can encyst the organism. However, Doug MacClean the inventor of the coil used antibiotics for years before he started coiling and he eventually got over Lyme. There are many variables as to why one person may do really well with a coil while others don't here are a few examples: Diet, Metal load, multiple infections, length of time infected, previous abx usage that might have compromised the gut flora and so on. I can think of many more but you get the idea. So the idea that the use of antimicrobials with the use of the coil or rife is opinion based on anecdoctal information and not backed by any real science. Like you I used to think like you that you should avoid antimicrobial herbs while rifing, but I have been in the Lyme and Rife group for 10 years and I have seen people who had lesser rife machines combine Samento and other herbs and do quite well. Tamarra for one, If you type her name into the messages, you will find old posts of hers. She is no longer actively posting on the group because she has probably gotten a life back and moved on. I think the main reason most people don't do the antimicrobials with rife is that the herx is just too much to tolerate and it is too hard on the bodies detoxification pathways. However, some antimicrobials are very specific and have no impact on Lyme whatsoever, so I am going to talk to the company about Burbur to find out if it's antimicrobial properties as you say, includes the Borrelia Bacteria. Dr Lee Cowden MD treats only with herbs and laser detoxification therapy. I hope this helps and alleviates some of your fears about taking Burbur. > > does cowdens protocal involve coiling?No so burbur having antimicrobial properties would have no negative inpact on his protocal. why you arent finding this through google i dont know but its there . > > > > > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me > To: Lyme_and_Rife > Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 12:48 AM > > > >  > > > > > I am going to contact the company, because I have talked with them at length about this herb since I recommend it to many people that I work with. I have never had any reports from anyone about it causing any type of side effect other then to knock out a herx. I am still going to trust the detailed information that I received from the company since it did not list it as antimicrobial. > > On another note, I have a 6 DVD set on the Cowden Laser Detoxification protocol and he clearly states that some people are too sick to detox. So if 15 drops of Burbur bothered you, then you may fall in that category and must start slow with whatever detox protocol you do. > > Dr Cowden had some success with BH4 a drug that has very limited availability in this country. BH4 helps with the Methylation of Ammonia, however you must detox sulphur before starting the BH4. Ecological Formulas makes a Homeopathic version of BH4, but I have heard mixed reactions on its effectiveness. Speaking of detoxing Sulphur, have you tried Sparga. I find that when I would have really strong herxes that Sparga would really help with the burden of Sulphur on my body. Particularly since many foods contain Sulphur and if you have mutations in your genes that cause poor methylation of Sulphur and Ammonia then it will make your herxing much worse. Ammonia particularly is linked to brain fog. > > Saunas were too much for me when I first started treating Lyme due to the fact that I was detoxing so many heavy metals and Pesticides. I finally figured out that I could open an EDTA capsule and Redisorb liquid Glutathione into a coffee enema and do the CE about an hour after taking zeolite, chlorella and charcoal. This has worked the best for getting my overall heavy metals load down. I am still working on the pesticides and the BPAs, but they are much better, since I have brought myself back from very severe Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Head Tremors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@> > > > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me > > > > To: " Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > > > > > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 8:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Â\  > > > > > > > > Terry > > > > > > > > I think 15 drops at a start was > > > > probably too much for you and that you were in the midst of a herx that > > > > was a bad one.If you are having this much issue with any part of the > > > > things you are doing , it means you have to add much more detox and > > > > probably a different binder or an additional one. > > > > Chronic lyme IS a neurological > > > > disease , or at least parts of it are, and so you must get past the > > > > blood brain barrier in anything you use.an idea is to take a binder and > > > > hour before and then again after you take a detox agent.The > > > > lightheadedness is not remarkable , I was often lightheaded early in > > > > treatment. > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ feeling really bad with the protocol likely means you are in a constant herx and you likely will want to slow this down some.When you first start just about any protocol you will get severe herxing .It means lower the killing agents and step up much more on detox agents > > > > > > > > .Are you taking anything to help the liver detox burbur addresses lymph and brain but not liver and its the liver that filters a lot of the toxins in the blood > > > > .I personally would do the muscle testing for how often your body wants something.It may be wise to cut the samento/banderol down to 2 or 3 times a week.Dont coil if you are herxing from the banderol/samentoÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ or dont take the drops if you are herxing from the coil.Get through the majority of a herx before doing more killing.You are overloading your body with the neurotoxins from die off, to a point your body cannot handle it > > > > are you alsoÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ taking supplements to help your body cope like electrolytes and sea salt, magnesium a good whole foods multi vitamin, extra B vitamins, kudzu( pueraria) might also help the head symptoms. adrenal supplements also will help healthe body and make surviving this illness much easier > > > > > > > > I also want to tell you that I remember being right where you are, the feeling like I was going to die tomorrow feeling and I dearly wish I had all the knowledge I have now when I started fighting this illness.You have the benefit of several peoples experiences here.Its still all trial and error, but we wil ltell you what works for us. > > > > > > > > Killing too fast is dangerous to the body. This is a ,do not run fight. and Somedays it feels like a step backwards , But you will get to the point where steps forward occur.Just do not try to rush it hun.Rushing it will make you sicker.Detox detox detox.First thing.Stop all killing and just do detoxÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and adrenal support for a week or two.when the herx ends then take more killing agents , but in small dosages and only more killing when you have the herxing under control with detox > > > > > > > > jan > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 which is why you need to take the detoxing agents all the more.The lightheadedness is likely from the release its a clearing , you actually want this ,but even if you think you cannot tolerate detox, its an absolute must .without detoxing ,the toxins build up far too much and yes eventually they are deadly .Lyme can kill you if you dont detox, its that simple. Toxin overload like you have is what is making you so sick., so you have to detox, even if it makes you lightheaded for a little while.I have never heard of anyone getting lightheaded from alkaseltzer gold but the lightheadedness is the toxins releasing and that is necessary.eventually you wont get that lightheadedness. but maybe only feeling a lightening in the body instead.alkaseltzer gold helps by alkalizing the body .If the lightheadedness is that bad then just use one tablet to start Very important is to find any way you can to get the toxins out.In the past you mentioned headaches.These headaches are from toxins building up.I know that when a headache finally starts subsiding in me rI feel a bit lightheaded at first.it may feel uncomfortable at first but its part of the process of healing.Most lyme headaches is from the neutrotoxin ammonia that is in your brain , This is what you release when you detox using supplements that can get to the brain .Think about how the body feels when you take a sniff of ammonia when using it to clean.it makes most people lightheaded and feel illanother thing that helps detox ammonia is Source Naturals K mag Kg, an excellent product( I take 2 or 3 tablets at a time when doing my detox regimenThe supplement he gave you is plant based steroids like cholestapure has .I personally did not find those things helpful, you might find different , but I found them a waste of money for an expensive product.Coq10 is good as is fish oil fish oil helps reduce inflammation throughout the body when you take a 2,000 mg dose .reiki mushroom somewhat helps the immune system, but you will find that you need more than just that eventually .Everyone of us probably uses rife a bit differently.My way works for me , you still have to detox when using rife and some people believe that you can get to cysts using rife and others say that it cannot break down the cyst biofilm.also most lyme patients have sluggish blood from too much fibrin things like serrapeptase ,nattokinase or the earthworm product biuloke(sp?) help break down that fiber and makes you blood circulate better, while also being a cyst buster to some degree.Most natural lyme Doctors believe that you must dissolve the cysts so that you can kill more spirochetes before they reproduce.Leaving the cysts alone, they reproduce in cyst form so you have five times as many spirochetes to kill every time they break open.This creates a cycle of keeping you ill for longer because there is more bacteria to fight. Re: No more burbur for me Posted by: "T.B" candlemn42@... candlemn42@... Date: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:51 am ((PDT))Hi Jan you know i just cant tolerate detoxing or even the binder i woke up this am took alkerselzer gold doc said it detoxes then took glucomannan this time within an hour felt very lightheaded and still feel terrible "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fullerhttp://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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