Re: Re: No more burbur for me (cameroon on herbs)

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i agree that detoxing is vital but i am also thinking now that perhaps you can over detox to which could be detrimental.I think i will try chorophyll and greens and things you mentioned you seem to have a good grasp on things..The one thing my doc stated and i might be in disagreement would be to take samento and banderal as they in conjunction with each other work on all stages of lyme and i think pulsing them 4 days a week could be beneficial i told him that but he feels it would change the growth pattern of the spiros.

You know i often doubt this diagnose in me because when i was on iv rocephin it caused my brain to develope a great deal of spots and i wasnt like this prior to taking it before the rocephin there were a few spots but not like now..My westernblot igm is positive for bands 23 and 41 but my iggs are always non reactive...

Subject: Re: No more burbur for me (cameroon on herbs)To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 9:09 PM

Terry, as sick as you sound from your posts, I think detoxing is the most important thing to master now that you have a killing method. there are many herbs that aid the different systems of the body that have never been known to have antimicrobial properties. Milk thistle for the liver, red root for stimulating fluid drainage from the lymphatic system, spleen, skin, the liver, and assists the respitory system (*http://www.lyme-symptoms.com/LymeDiseaseInfo/detoxSystems.html). dandelion leaves, root and flower, stinging nettle and ginger are all good for most detoxification and excretory systems. There are many more. eleuthero is benign and good for the metabolism and immune system. helping circulation and blood flow is very helpfull too, hawthorn berry, ginko, tienchi ginseng are all good for this. Your doctor is wise beyond his profession

recommending immune support. I have never read it, but imagine this is also great for detoxing from anything too, as well as being a great killing method and biofilm buster. You should research all these things and start with small doses. Immune system boosters should be recommended by lyme books or professional herbalists as lyme can increase aspects of the immune system that do not bother the lyme , but their overstimulation can harm you potentially, like the way allergies and fevers can harm people. I personally take practically everything I can get my hands on (mostly pulsed) and have had no problems, but I have no allergies and a "slow immune system," according to ma dukes. Also an organic diet and probably mineral suppliments are pretty nessicary. This is just the tip of the iceberg if you really want to get into it. Cameron> > > > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me> To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >> Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 10:04 AM> > > >  > > > > > > Terry , again nio one said detoxing was easy, but it certainly will benefit you in the long run.You obviously have serious case of lyme and the samento and especially banderol is very very powerful killers of lyme.you MUST d3etox even if it doesnt feel good at first.As your load of toxins lowers the symptoms will lessen> > > > Re: No more burbur for me>   Posted by: "T.B" candlemn42@... candlemn42@...>   Date: Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:34 pm

((PDT))> > were you able to find it?I am wondering if thats why i felt so horrible everytime i tried it...> Antimicrobial is one of the herbs propertys > --- On Wed, 7/18/12, musiclady <sue> Â > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/>

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might be right they might be cysts I dunno

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Thats funny you mention that, I was just writing about it at the same time as you. I personally, would go with what your doc says, he seems to know his stuff. herbs deffinately dont seem to cause the massive encysting antibiotics do though, At least in me, I never had single herx from all the doses of different antibiotics I had. I would just get better, even the times I waited so long for treatment that my immune system had beat the acute out break and I was with few symptoms, no herx. As soon as I was taking herbal immune support and Buhners core protocol, even along witht eh antibiotics (which the lyme had come right through by that point) I had herxes for months. I guess there are also a couple studies you refer to about these herbs. But why risk it, and I dont know anything about spirochete growth patterns. Western herbalists, even Buhner, give good information about supportive herbs but get caught in the western mentality of

allopathic killing of the bug, which other traditions ignore because they dont have in vitro studies. Cowden talks about the body being either vulnerable or invulnerable to disease, but then his protocol is three quarters killing herbs.

Dude, Rosner commented that rocephin IV was the worst offender for encysting. I really hope these are not all biofilms and cysts in your brain. But it does make some sense, at least to this novice. If you have read all my recent posts Im also hoping you will research and try MMS, It seems to detoxify the toxins somehow and it works at a moderate pace rather than the coil which seems to be a lot for you at this point (any one else on this group would have more insight into this than I do, as Ive only coiled once). MMS also works on biofilms.

Take it easy bud, Cameron.

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might be right they might be cysts I dunno

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Re: No more burbur for me (cameroon on herbs)

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Fri, Jul 20, 2012 3:49:02 AM

Thats funny you mention that, I was just writing about it at the same time as you. I personally, would go with what your doc says, he seems to know his stuff. herbs deffinately dont seem to cause the massive encysting antibiotics do though, At least in me, I never had single herx from all the doses of different antibiotics I had. I would just get better, even the times I waited so long for treatment that my immune system had beat the acute out break and I was with few symptoms, no herx. As soon as I was taking herbal immune support and Buhners core protocol, even along witht eh antibiotics (which the lyme had come right through by that point) I had herxes for months. I guess there are also a couple studies you refer to about these herbs. But why risk it, and I dont know anything about spirochete growth patterns. Western herbalists, even Buhner, give good information about supportive herbs but get caught in the western mentality of

allopathic killing of the bug, which other traditions ignore because they dont have in vitro studies. Cowden talks about the body being either vulnerable or invulnerable to disease, but then his protocol is three quarters killing herbs.

Dude, Rosner commented that rocephin IV was the worst offender for encysting. I really hope these are not all biofilms and cysts in your brain. But it does make some sense, at least to this novice. If you have read all my recent posts Im also hoping you will research and try MMS, It seems to detoxify the toxins somehow and it works at a moderate pace rather than the coil which seems to be a lot for you at this point (any one else on this group would have more insight into this than I do, as Ive only coiled once). MMS also works on biofilms.

Take it easy bud, Cameron.

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> >     Posted by: " T.B " candlemn42@ candlemn42@

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> > were you able to find it?I am wondering if thats why i felt so horrible everytime i tried it...

> > Antimicrobial is one of the herbs propertys

> > --- On Wed, 7/18/12, musiclady <sue

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> > " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything

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cameron i have mms i thought maybe it was bothering like most everything i try maybe i should give it another try i dunno.

Subject: Re: No more burbur for me (cameroon on herbs)To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 11:49 PM

Thats funny you mention that, I was just writing about it at the same time as you. I personally, would go with what your doc says, he seems to know his stuff. herbs deffinately dont seem to cause the massive encysting antibiotics do though, At least in me, I never had single herx from all the doses of different antibiotics I had. I would just get better, even the times I waited so long for treatment that my immune system had beat the acute out break and I was with few symptoms, no herx. As soon as I was taking herbal immune support and Buhners core protocol, even along witht eh antibiotics (which the lyme had come right through by that point) I had herxes for months. I guess there are also a couple studies you refer to about these herbs. But why risk it, and I dont know anything about spirochete growth patterns. Western herbalists, even Buhner, give good information about supportive herbs but get caught in the western mentality of allopathic killing

of the bug, which other traditions ignore because they dont have in vitro studies. Cowden talks about the body being either vulnerable or invulnerable to disease, but then his protocol is three quarters killing herbs. Dude, Rosner commented that rocephin IV was the worst offender for encysting. I really hope these are not all biofilms and cysts in your brain. But it does make some sense, at least to this novice. If you have read all my recent posts Im also hoping you will research and try MMS, It seems to detoxify the toxins somehow and it works at a moderate pace rather than the coil which seems to be a lot for you at this point (any one else on this group would have more insight into this than I do, as Ive only coiled once). MMS also works on biofilms. Take it easy bud, Cameron.> > > > > > From: jan s <healingdance@>> > Subject: Re: No more burbur for me> > To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >> > Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 10:04

AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry , again nio one said detoxing was easy, but it certainly will benefit you in the long run.You obviously have serious case of lyme and the samento and especially banderol is very very powerful killers of lyme.you MUST d3etox even if it doesnt feel good at first.As your load of toxins lowers the symptoms will lessen> > > > > > > > Re: No more burbur for me> >   Posted by: "T.B" candlemn42@ candlemn42@> >   Date: Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:34 pm ((PDT))> > > > were you able to find it?I am wondering if thats why i felt so horrible everytime i tried it...> > Antimicrobial is one of the herbs propertys > > --- On Wed, 7/18/12,

musiclady <sue> >  > > "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything > > really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller> > > > > > > > > > http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/> >>