Guest guest Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I agree, there are mixed opinions. The difficulty with starting with bart is finding an effective frequency, and that you may have multiple strains of bart that need different frequencies to treat effectively. Treating borrelia with 432 Hz is pretty effective for most people. August is the beginning of the fall seasonal flare for borrelia as well. Thus, I would lean toward recommending to start with borrelia. It doesn't need to be treated so often, so you also have time to learn how your body responds, identify herx patterns, etc. Once you have handled 2-3 months of borrelia treatment and are able to get your treatment time up, then try slowly adding bartonella treatment. If you try this and get up to 5 minutes on 432 Hz with no response, then I would switch to treating bartonella, as this may be a sign that bartonella is on top of the hierarchy of bugs in your body at this point in time. Then return to 432 Hz after you have treated bart for a period of time. Just my opinion based on my experience. Sherry > > Hi All, > > I was wondering which " bug " I should address first w/my " Doug Coil " machine? > > I was thinking the BLO since it reproduces faster & could impede my Lyme treatment, but I wasn't sure....so, any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated. > > Thanks so much!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 In some people the coinfections hide the lyme somehow.Also if you have heavy metals like mercury, lyme uses the mercury to protect itself.I started healing so much more after doing mercury detox.See my note about cilantro and detoxing mercury along with dmsa its a rough detox, but worth itjan: OT: Lyme & BLO which to address 1st? Posted by: "scdlymie" scdlymie@... scdlymie Date: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:22 pm ((PDT))I agree, there are mixed opinions. The difficulty with starting with bart is finding an effective frequency, and that you may have multiple strains of bart that need different frequencies to treat effectively. Treating borrelia with 432 Hz is pretty effective for most people. August is the beginning of the fall seasonal flare for borrelia as well. Thus, I would lean toward recommending to start with borrelia. It doesn't need to be treated so often, so you also have time to learn how your body responds, identify herx patterns, etc. Once you have handled 2-3 months of borrelia treatment and are able to get your treatment time up, then try slowly adding bartonella treatment.If you try this and get up to 5 minutes on 432 Hz with no response, then I would switch to treating bartonella, as this may be a sign that bartonella is on top of the hierarchy of bugs in your body at this point in time. Then return to 432 Hz after you have treated bart for a period of time.Just my opinion based on my experience. "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fullerhttp://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 We started out the same way that Sherry suggested and our results/herxes were inconsistent and difficult to quantify. My wife and son had symptoms that indicated that Bart was creating the biggest issues. We began coiling for Bart and put Lyme in the back seat. We began to see more consistent and predictable herxes and most importantly significant improvements. Keep in mind that Bart grows very very fast and it also can cause far more permanent damage than Lyme seems to. My wife just had a very interesting experience. She was coiling everyday for Bart 832 for 15 minutes and 727 & 787 10 to 15 minutes each, these are very broad spectrum frequencies. The she would coil Lyme 432 twice a week. She was seeing drastic improvements and her herxes were manageable with help of Glucomannan, Hot Yoga and lots of water. We were without our coil machine for 4 days. She coiled Bart only on the fifth day for 15 minutes in the evening. That was the last we saw of her for 36 hours. Major migraine, nausea, total body ache light and noise sensitive, combative and majorly cranky and she is also seeing signs of a potential Shingles outbreak Today she is much better but the herx still lingers and she’s not sure if the Shingles are going to go back into hiding or not. It became very clear at lightning speed that Bart is a very fast grower and you have to be consistent an relentless to make headway. I have heard this type of thing from many people dealing with Bart. I agree wholeheartedly in concept with Sherry. I recommend the exact same thing to folks I talk to that are new to coiling. However we have found by experience that if there is a Bart load that is heavy enough to cause identifiable symptoms I would start there and see what type of herx my body responds with. Lyme grows much slower than Bart and it is not as dangerous Hope this helps. Terry From: scdlymie Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:22 PM To: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: Lyme & BLO which to address 1st? I agree, there are mixed opinions. The difficulty with starting with bart is finding an effective frequency, and that you may have multiple strains of bart that need different frequencies to treat effectively. Treating borrelia with 432 Hz is pretty effective for most people. August is the beginning of the fall seasonal flare for borrelia as well. Thus, I would lean toward recommending to start with borrelia. It doesn't need to be treated so often, so you also have time to learn how your body responds, identify herx patterns, etc. Once you have handled 2-3 months of borrelia treatment and are able to get your treatment time up, then try slowly adding bartonella treatment.If you try this and get up to 5 minutes on 432 Hz with no response, then I would switch to treating bartonella, as this may be a sign that bartonella is on top of the hierarchy of bugs in your body at this point in time. Then return to 432 Hz after you have treated bart for a period of time.Just my opinion based on my experience.Sherry>> Hi All,> > I was wondering which "bug" I should address first w/my "Doug Coil" machine?> > I was thinking the BLO since it reproduces faster & could impede my Lyme treatment, but I wasn't sure....so, any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated.> > Thanks so much!!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Terry, please respond (or anyone else) since you indicated you have communicated with many who have rifed for bart. I have bart according to the Fry Lab special stained bood slide test and by many bart symptons. Please tell me if you know of people who definitly had bart and were healed by coiling. By that, I mean their symptoms went away and did not return. I have not ever read one testimony on this site that said that and I would think that after all the people on this site who have tried coiling for bart you would have a lot of those testimonies if coiling for bart was effectife in any type of lasting way. I have read or heard many such testimonies of those who coiled for lyme, but not for bart. In Dr. Schaller's book on bart he said he sent Fry lab many blood samples of many experienced coilers and rifers and there was never a significant decrease in the bart on the Fry blood slides. If it just doesn't work why donn't we focus our efforts elsewhere. Sincerely, Andy > > > > Hi All, > > > > I was wondering which " bug " I should address first w/my " Doug Coil " machine? > > > > I was thinking the BLO since it reproduces faster & could impede my Lyme treatment, but I wasn't sure....so, any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated. > > > > Thanks so much!! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Andy, I think you ask a good question. I have read of several people saying that they have healed from bart. But I don't know if they would fit the criteria you are looking for. For example, I assume I have bart due to my responses to the coil on a number of bart frequencies, and based on skin markings and other symptoms. But I have never had the Fry testing. Many of us don't have the funds to do all the testing that Schaller would require. I am improving with the coil but don't think I'm finished yet. It took me awhile to find frequencies that worked and continued to work over time. 832 Hz petered out in effectiveness, for example. I'm using two freqs in the upper 1100's and they seem to be very effective and work over time similarly to 432 HZ for borrelia has done. So I feel hopeful. Sherry > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I was wondering which " bug " I should address first w/my " Doug Coil " machine? > > > > > > I was thinking the BLO since it reproduces faster & could impede my Lyme treatment, but I wasn't sure....so, any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks so much!! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Thanks everybody for all your input. Now....the next question is: " how long is a safe time for the first time coiling for Bart? " > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I was wondering which " bug " I should address first w/my " Doug Coil " machine? > > > > > > > > I was thinking the BLO since it reproduces faster & could impede my Lyme treatment, but I wasn't sure....so, any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks so much!! > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Sherry, What are the exact frequencies you use for Bart in the 1100's? > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I was wondering which " bug " I should address first w/my " Doug Coil " machine? > > > > > > > > I was thinking the BLO since it reproduces faster & could impede my Lyme treatment, but I wasn't sure....so, any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks so much!! > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Sherry, thank you much for responding. I would like very much to communicate with or read the testimonies of some of these people who think they have healed themslves of bart in some type of a lasting way by coiling or rifing. Any chance you could tell me how. It would give me hope that I could. Peace to you, Andy > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I was wondering which " bug " I should address first w/my " Doug Coil " machine? > > > > > > > > I was thinking the BLO since it reproduces faster & could impede my Lyme treatment, but I wasn't sure....so, any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks so much!! > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Andy, You have posed another interesting question. A few points. First the people that I have spoken to that have moved on from Lyme and Co go forward and don’t look back so It’s difficult to get a full description of what they have experienced. The folks that I have spoken to that are in the midst of dealing with bart for the most part are seeing continued improvement and reduced symptoms. It can also be a long process of a year or more. If the person coiling for Bart or any other infection isn’t keeping an accurate daily log their memory gets foggy. I have seen that with both my wife and son. If I was not keeping some notes it is possible that they would have very little recollection of the symptoms and the suffering that they endured. I have tested this theory several times and the results remain unchanged. Bart symptoms also can overlap Lyme as well as a few other infections. So the facts are, that that fact are skewed and very subjective as far as verifiable elimination or Bart etc. During this process we have also found other layers of disease and afflictions that begin to change and/or surface or disappear that may or may not have anything to do with Lyme and Co. but one thing for certain is that we are seeing ongoing change and improvement. There are setbacks from time to time but then we regroup reanalyze and continue I wish I had a more definitive answer for you but for me and my family we are gauging our success by overall health, well being and continued improvement. Terry From: adart55 Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:09 PM To: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: Lyme & BLO which to address 1st? Sherry, thank you much for responding. I would like very much to communicate with or read the testimonies of some of these people who think they have healed themslves of bart in some type of a lasting way by coiling or rifing. Any chance you could tell me how. It would give me hope that I could. Peace to you, Andy > > > >> > > > Hi All,> > > > > > > > I was wondering which "bug" I should address first w/my "Doug Coil" machine?> > > > > > > > I was thinking the BLO since it reproduces faster & could impede my Lyme treatment, but I wasn't sure....so, any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated.> > > > > > > > Thanks so much!!> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 I would recommend starting with 5-15 seconds, because if you have a solid " hit " the neuro herx can be very substantial with bart. Sherry > > Thanks everybody for all your input. Now....the next question is: " how long is a safe time for the first time coiling for Bart? " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Thanks, Sherry! > > > > Thanks everybody for all your input. Now....the next question is: " how long is a safe time for the first time coiling for Bart? " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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