RE: Re: dont read into this to much Death

July 23, 2012

dude you know its not depression just fing weird shyt that comes into my head sometimes.Cant explain it just comes and goes thinking if this is indeed lyme shyts dementing my brain here

Subject: Re: dont read into this to much DeathTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, July 22, 2012, 10:24 PM

Ya man, the stage of sickness you are at is frightening sickness. Lyme is well known to cause depression. At times it can be very isolating, sometimes terrifying, you are not alone in this aspect. Also, I feel you on how it affects relationships. It is very unforutunate and terrible that as sick as we become, it is not evident to others except if they closely study your face and habits. Even then, they can never know. I would wish I would have fever or be vomiting, but no, just shaking inside where no one can see. Push through man, you will get better.>> Does anyone get thoughts of death in there head when treating?Is this normal?Even if your not

suicidal?>

July 23, 2012

Whats sad is as sick as i am feeling i cant even go to the hospital as they dont know whats wrong..The neuro i see hes at a loss for words.And your right ppl look at me think i am fit as a fiddle good color in great shape thats whats so bad about this ..

Subject: Re: dont read into this to much DeathTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, July 22, 2012, 10:24 PM

Ya man, the stage of sickness you are at is frightening sickness. Lyme is well known to cause depression. At times it can be very isolating, sometimes terrifying, you are not alone in this aspect. Also, I feel you on how it affects relationships. It is very unforutunate and terrible that as sick as we become, it is not evident to others except if they closely study your face and habits. Even then, they can never know. I would wish I would have fever or be vomiting, but no, just shaking inside where no one can see. Push through man, you will get better.>> Does anyone get thoughts of death in there head when treating?Is this normal?Even if your not

suicidal?>

July 23, 2012

As far as my relationship i told her to leave i cant take the non understanding thing not good for the health here if you know what i mean i could always get a livein care person let them live in the apartment i hsave down in my basement for free in exchange for care.. My son was living down there i had it built for him 2 years ago hooked it up real nice.Hes in N.Y.City getting ready to go to Columbia U to get his masters in finance.

Subject: Re: dont read into this to much DeathTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, July 22, 2012, 10:24 PM

Ya man, the stage of sickness you are at is frightening sickness. Lyme is well known to cause depression. At times it can be very isolating, sometimes terrifying, you are not alone in this aspect. Also, I feel you on how it affects relationships. It is very unforutunate and terrible that as sick as we become, it is not evident to others except if they closely study your face and habits. Even then, they can never know. I would wish I would have fever or be vomiting, but no, just shaking inside where no one can see. Push through man, you will get better.>> Does anyone get thoughts of death in there head when treating?Is this normal?Even if your not

suicidal?>

July 23, 2012

terence,what is hard also is that it is so 'engulfing'. hard to see beyond it. i get these attacks every 30 min, 24/7, for over 10 yrs now, and they start with this overwhelming sense of dread/fear/ panic/hopelessness that i will not make it. i am going to die from this disease. then it goes on to heart palps, air hunger, nausea and sweats. when just minutes before this attack i was thinking i was going to be ok and going to beat this. these attacks are associated with the lyme, bart, babs, but no one knows which or how much of which. mag oil has helped the heart and anxiety.

but i tell you this so you know that someone else feels this 'death' thing. i have learned to just ride it out knowing that it will pass. you have stirred things up with a long coil so are getting hit hard from this. just keep telling yourself it will pass. hang on to those sane moments.

if you have mag oil take a long foot bath with at least 1 oz. mag oil. it you don't have it get some epson salts and use 1/2 to 1 c. in hot water. do several in one day to see if the magnesium will calm some of that. it does a good job of calming so may help.

you're going to be ok. but it can be hard to feel the fear and hopelessness. is there someone who can stay with you through this hard herx? watch positive tv, not negative. maybe a comedy movie, one familiar and comforting. and keep writing here. i'm going to bed now but will check in the a.m. pst.

barbarathanks khaya. been there, done that.

As far as my relationship i told her to leave i cant take the non understanding thing not good for the health here if you know what i mean i could always get a livein care person let them live in the apartment i hsave down in my basement for free in exchange for care.. My son was living down there i had it built for him 2 years ago hooked it up real nice.Hes in N.Y.City getting ready to go to Columbia U to get his masters in finance.

Subject: Re: dont read into this to much Death

To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, July 22, 2012, 10:24 PM

Ya man, the stage of sickness you are at is frightening sickness. Lyme is well known to cause depression. At times it can be very isolating, sometimes terrifying, you are not alone in this aspect. Also, I feel you on how it affects relationships. It is very unforutunate and terrible that as sick as we become, it is not evident to others except if they closely study your face and habits. Even then, they can never know. I would wish I would have fever or be vomiting, but no, just shaking inside where no one can see. Push through man, you will get better.

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> Does anyone get thoughts of death in there head when treating?Is this normal?Even if your not

suicidal?>

July 23, 2012

Babesia can give you nightmares and trippy dreams!Â Do you have it? From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of T.BSent: Monday, 23 July 2012 12:39 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Re: dont read into this to much Death dude you know its not depression just fing weird shyt that comes into my head sometimes.Cant explain it just comes and goes thinking if this is indeed lyme shyts dementing my brain hereSubject: Re: dont read into this to much DeathTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, July 22, 2012, 10:24 PM Ya man, the stage of sickness you are at is frightening sickness. Lyme is well known to cause depression. At times it can be very isolating, sometimes terrifying, you are not alone in this aspect. Also, I feel you on how it affects relationships. It is very unforutunate and terrible that as sick as we become, it is not evident to others except if they closely study your face and habits. Even then, they can never know. I would wish I would have fever or be vomiting, but no, just shaking inside where no one can see. Push through man, you will get better.>> Does anyone get thoughts of death in there head when treating?Is this normal?Even if your not suicidal?>

July 23, 2012

Hi, I have thought of death & even welcomed death, esp dealing with the pain sometimes!! It comes & goes, i also will take risks that i would never take before but idk why?? Anyone experience this? To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Re: dont read

into this to much Death

dude you know its not depression just fing weird shyt that comes into my head sometimes.Cant explain it just comes and goes thinking if this is indeed lyme shyts dementing my brain here

Subject: Re: dont read into this to much DeathTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, July 22, 2012, 10:24 PM

Ya man, the stage of sickness you are at is frightening sickness. Lyme is well known to cause depression. At times it can be very isolating, sometimes terrifying, you are not alone in this aspect. Also, I feel you on how it affects relationships. It is very unforutunate and terrible that as sick as we become, it is not evident to others except if they closely study your face and habits. Even then, they can never know. I would wish I would have fever or be vomiting, but no, just shaking inside where no one can see. Push through man, you will get better.>> Does anyone get thoughts of death in there head when treating?Is this normal?Even if your not

suicidal?>

July 23, 2012

no babesia my mother thinks maybe i have a mold issue to.Are there frequencys with the coil for that?

Subject: Re: dont read into this to much DeathTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, July 22, 2012, 10:24 PM

Ya man, the stage of sickness you are at is frightening sickness. Lyme is well known to cause depression. At times it can be very isolating, sometimes terrifying, you are not alone in this aspect. Also, I feel you on how it affects relationships. It is very unforutunate and terrible that as sick as we become, it is not evident to others except if they closely study your face and habits. Even then, they can never know. I would wish I would have fever or be vomiting, but no, just shaking inside where no one can see. Push through man, you will get better.>> Does anyone get

thoughts of death in there head when treating?Is this normal?Even if your not suicidal?>

July 23, 2012

Terence - I know about the weird shit you are talking about. It just comes and takes over your brain for a short period. It changes your thinking, your face, your eyes, your thoughts. VEry bizarre. I have described these to my doctor as "dark thoughts" and feelings of doom. It does feel like "death" - the heaviness/scariness of that word - it's very dark. And I am not suicidal either. I have the Fry Bug for sure and lyme. Also, hypersensitivity to mold - which is a whole set of crazy and sometimes scary symptoms in its own rite (heart palps, feeling like I have drank 80 cups of coffee, short temper, feeling "crazy", depression, etc). You have to keep telling yourself it's temporary (the state of mind). And it is - it always passes. Clonazepam has helped me a lot. I find that a very small dose works for me when I need it. I am prescribed .5 mg of the disitegrating tablets and sometimes I only need 1/4 of that. Sometimes more. My scary brain symptoms have gotten better with treatment and good detox/binders. To: Lyme_and_Rife From: zeus6715@...Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:05:02 -0700Subject: Re: Re: dont read into this to much Death

Hi, I have thought of death & even welcomed death, esp dealing with the pain sometimes!! It comes & goes, i also will take risks that i would never take before but idk why?? Anyone experience this? To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Re: dont read

into this to much Death

dude you know its not depression just fing weird shyt that comes into my head sometimes.Cant explain it just comes and goes thinking if this is indeed lyme shyts dementing my brain here

Subject: Re: dont read into this to much DeathTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, July 22, 2012, 10:24 PM

Ya man, the stage of sickness you are at is frightening sickness. Lyme is well known to cause depression. At times it can be very isolating, sometimes terrifying, you are not alone in this aspect. Also, I feel you on how it affects relationships. It is very unforutunate and terrible that as sick as we become, it is not evident to others except if they closely study your face and habits. Even then, they can never know. I would wish I would have fever or be vomiting, but no, just shaking inside where no one can see. Push through man, you will get better.>> Does anyone get thoughts of death in there head when treating?Is this normal?Even if your not

suicidal?>

July 23, 2012

its funny you mentioned mold my 84 year old mother just mentioned that to me today..Today i work up and my face feels like its throbing twitching...

Subject: Re: dont read into this to much DeathTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, July 22, 2012, 10:24 PM

Ya man, the stage of sickness you are at is frightening sickness. Lyme is well known to cause depression. At times it can be very isolating, sometimes terrifying, you are not alone in this aspect. Also, I feel you on how it affects relationships. It is very unforutunate and terrible that as sick as we become, it is not evident to others except if they closely study your face and habits. Even then, they can never know. I would wish I would have fever or be vomiting, but no, just shaking inside where no one can see. Push through man, you will get better.>> Does anyone get thoughts of death in there head when treating?Is this normal?Even if your not suicidal?>

July 23, 2012

Mold causes twitching for me too. A good lyme doc will know about the contributing factors of mold to this illness. I have seen a mold doc in MD, but my doc does his protocol. You can actually take Nanotek Chitosan by Allergy Research Group to bind mold, but I would go through a doc for treatment for your first time dealing with it. YOu have to get your living space checked. The ERMI test from Mycometrics is one you can do yourself to find out the mold levels in your house - if it's safe or not. To: Lyme_and_Rife From: candlemn42@...Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:08:09 -0700Subject: RE: Re: dont read into this to much Death

its funny you mentioned mold my 84 year old mother just mentioned that to me today..Today i work up and my face feels like its throbing twitching...

Subject: Re: dont read into this to much DeathTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, July 22, 2012, 10:24 PM

Ya man, the stage of sickness you are at is frightening sickness. Lyme is well known to cause depression. At times it can be very isolating, sometimes terrifying, you are not alone in this aspect. Also, I feel you on how it affects relationships. It is very unforutunate and terrible that as sick as we become, it is not evident to others except if they closely study your face and habits. Even then, they can never know. I would wish I would have fever or be vomiting, but no, just shaking inside where no one can see. Push through man, you will get better.>> Does anyone get thoughts of death in there head when treating?Is this normal?Even if your not suicidal?>

July 23, 2012

Hi Christie,

How are you treating your mold issues? The symptoms you describe

,,,heart palps, the 80 cups of coffee, feeling crazy and short

tempered,,,sound so familiar! I'm so wired all the time and unable

to sleep, and nothing seems to touch it. I don't know much about

mold symptoms, or the best ways to treat. So glad you are improving

with treatment!! What sort of detox/binders/treatment do you use?

thanks kindly,

Suzy

ps,,,what is the Fry bug?

On 7/23/2012 8:05 AM, Christie Spring

Christian wrote:

Terence - I know about the weird shit you are talking

about. It just comes and takes over your brain for a short

period. It changes your thinking, your face, your eyes,

your thoughts. VEry bizarre. I have described these to my

doctor as "dark thoughts" and feelings of doom. It does

feel like "death" - the heaviness/scariness of that word -

it's very dark. And I am not suicidal either. I have the

Fry Bug for sure and lyme. Also, hypersensitivity to mold

- which is a whole set of crazy and sometimes scary

symptoms in its own rite (heart palps, feeling like I have

drank 80 cups of coffee, short temper, feeling "crazy",

depression, etc). You have to keep telling yourself it's

temporary (the state of mind). And it is - it always

passes. Clonazepam has helped me a lot. I find that a very

small dose works for me when I need it. I am prescribed

..5 mg of the disitegrating tablets and sometimes I only

need 1/4 of that. Sometimes more. My scary brain symptoms

have gotten better with treatment and good detox/binders.

July 23, 2012

Hi Suzy - It is hard to figure out which symptoms cause what. I have been dealing with this stuff (in treatment) for 10 years, so I have become very aware of acute and delayed reactions caused by entering different environments (mold & chemicals). It's crazy. Your house and belongings must be free of spores to get better from mold. I am dealing with a new mold situation right now - can't sleep, really revved up, etc. Waiting for test results as to what to do next. My doc prescribes over the counter remedies for mold - Flex Now SHea Butter - 2 every two hours after exposure - for 2-3 doses, then Nanotek Chitosan - 2 pills 2x/day. My system has been really cleaned up though for quite a while. I know when I went to the mold doc originally - I had been living in a moldy home for years, treatment was more intense. For more like 2-3 months on the Chitosan-like binder. I also use San Pharma tincture - renelix for kidneys, Nutramedix Burbur Detox, Energetix Drainage Tone & Energetix Lymph Tone III. Carefully prescribed by my doctor as to where I am in treatment. You can also have many other problems from mold - MARCONS in your sinuses - which is another treatment and VERY intense. That is why I would absolutely advise seeing a doctor well versed in this if you are dealing with it for your first time. The Fry bug is the protozoa discovered by Dr Fry at Fry Labs (see online). I have had extreme chemical sensitivities as well. I have been in treatment for that bug for 6 months and they have lessened CONSIDERABLY. I have at least another 6 months to go. SOme say the Babesis frequencies may work on this since it is a similiar class of organism. I do not think there are frequencies to treat the mold situation although some for yeast, aspergillus, etc may help a little?To: Lyme_and_Rife From: starlark@...Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:32:28 -0700Subject: Re: Re: dont read into this to much Death

Hi Christie,

How are you treating your mold issues? The symptoms you describe

,,,heart palps, the 80 cups of coffee, feeling crazy and short

tempered,,,sound so familiar! I'm so wired all the time and unable

to sleep, and nothing seems to touch it. I don't know much about

mold symptoms, or the best ways to treat. So glad you are improving

with treatment!! What sort of detox/binders/treatment do you use?

thanks kindly,

Suzy

ps,,,what is the Fry bug?

On 7/23/2012 8:05 AM, Christie Spring

Christian wrote:

Terence - I know about the weird shit you are talking

about. It just comes and takes over your brain for a short

period. It changes your thinking, your face, your eyes,

your thoughts. VEry bizarre. I have described these to my

doctor as "dark thoughts" and feelings of doom. It does

feel like "death" - the heaviness/scariness of that word -

it's very dark. And I am not suicidal either. I have the

Fry Bug for sure and lyme. Also, hypersensitivity to mold

- which is a whole set of crazy and sometimes scary

symptoms in its own rite (heart palps, feeling like I have

drank 80 cups of coffee, short temper, feeling "crazy",

depression, etc). You have to keep telling yourself it's

temporary (the state of mind). And it is - it always

passes. Clonazepam has helped me a lot. I find that a very

small dose works for me when I need it. I am prescribed

..5 mg of the disitegrating tablets and sometimes I only

need 1/4 of that. Sometimes more. My scary brain symptoms

have gotten better with treatment and good detox/binders.

July 23, 2012

ok i just read a product called cholestepure will bind mold just as well as the pharm drug ..Also good for lyme toxins.I just ordered some

Terence - I know about the weird shit you are talking about. It just comes and takes over your brain for a short period. It changes your thinking, your face, your eyes, your thoughts. VEry bizarre. I have described these to my doctor as "dark thoughts" and feelings of doom. It does feel like "death" - the heaviness/scariness of that word - it's very dark. And I am not suicidal either. I have the Fry Bug for sure and lyme. Also, hypersensitivity to mold - which is a whole set of crazy and sometimes scary symptoms in its own rite (heart palps, feeling like I have drank 80 cups of coffee, short temper, feeling "crazy", depression, etc). You have to keep telling yourself it's temporary (the state of mind). And it is - it always passes. Clonazepam has helped me a lot. I find that a very small dose works for me when I need it. I am prescribed .5 mg of the disitegrating tablets and sometimes I only need 1/4 of that.

Sometimes more. My scary brain symptoms have gotten better with treatment and good detox/binders.

July 23, 2012

Christie,How are you treating the Fry bug? Ivermectin? Lumbrokinase? Lactoferrin? Anything else? Does your practitioner have you on the low-fat diet? I'm curious because I have a lot of symptoms that make me suspect I've got that one, too.

Thanks,ShaunaOn Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Christie Spring Christian wrote:

The Fry bug is the protozoa discovered by Dr Fry at Fry Labs (see online). I have had extreme chemical sensitivities as well. I have been in treatment for that bug for 6 months and they have lessened CONSIDERABLY. I have at least another 6 months to go. SOme say the Babesis frequencies may work on this since it is a similiar class of organism. I do not think there are frequencies to treat the mold situation although some for yeast, aspergillus, etc may help a little?

July 23, 2012

Hi shauna,Alinia alternating with artemisinin and beyond balance mc-bab 2. Eight weeks alternating. Alinia is 3 days on 3 off and artemisinin is 3 pills 2Times/day for 2 days on and 3 off. The bab2 is 10 drops daily with the artemisinin. Then nattokinase 2 pills 2 times/ day and serrapeptase 1 pill 2 times/ day. These are will both alternating treatments. I am not on the low fat diet right now bc of mold ( where you need to eat s lot of good fat), but she said I will eventually need to be at 10 g of fat/ day in and on my body ( including lotions, conditioner, etc) to really get rid of it. Sent from my iPhone

Christie,How are you treating the Fry bug? Ivermectin? Lumbrokinase? Lactoferrin? Anything else? Does your practitioner have you on the low-fat diet? I'm curious because I have a lot of symptoms that make me suspect I've got that one, too.

Thanks,ShaunaOn Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Christie Spring Christian wrote:

The Fry bug is the protozoa discovered by Dr Fry at Fry Labs (see online). I have had extreme chemical sensitivities as well. I have been in treatment for that bug for 6 months and they have lessened CONSIDERABLY. I have at least another 6 months to go. SOme say the Babesis frequencies may work on this since it is a similiar class of organism. I do not think there are frequencies to treat the mold situation although some for yeast, aspergillus, etc may help a little?

July 28, 2012

i dunno think i am taking the binder 30 to 45 minutes after a detoxifier.Symptoms come on about 25 to an hour after detoxifier.Burbur i tried agin and still i cant tolerate it.I am gonna use jernigan neuro anti tox as my detoxifier.When i get the essaic tea gonna gonna use that to...As a binder i am using apple pectin with green tea in it.Was mixing them up with cholestepure,and charcoal but think for now just gonna use the pectin as the binder.Also just start4ed organic coffee enemas once a day

Subject: Re: dont read into this to much DeathTo: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >Date: Saturday, July 28, 2012, 10:40 AM

Okay so you understand that a herxheimer response is due to the release of toxins into your blood and lymph when the bacteria dies , yes? You then get a rise in symptoms when you release the toxins from where the body stores them when you take the detoxifier.This is actually a good sign, i ttells you that the detox agent you took has worked because of the temporary release of toxins out of the places it is stored. so while they are released from the stored areas they cause you symptoms. It is a normal response and part of the detox process

..How soon after taking the detoxifier are you getting the worsening symptoms?

What might work is for you to take the binder immediately after feeling the symptoms come on. or even Right before they do,once you figure out exactly how soon they come on.Now keep in mind , that the released toxins are dumped into the bloodstream and have to go to the liver and/or kidneys and into the intestines before they are bound by the binder, so it might take an hour or so to clear.This again is a normal response .

Again its a you must feel worse before you feel better thing.It feel lousy I know, but having the toxins store up feels worse over time .Give your body and the detox agent and binder time to work.You have a lot , a huge amount, of stored toxins from this disease.Its going to take time and some discomfort before they clear enough that you are only getting toxins from a current herx.Over time after you have detoxed daily you wont have the light headed brain foggy feeling all the time .

You might have to do the process of detoxifier /binder a couple of times before the toxins that were released get completely mopped up.The other thing is that if its mostly head symptoms you get when this happens then taking something that addresses neutralizing ammonia might be what is needed Source Naturals, K Mag KG is a product that I have mentioned several times that neutralizes ammonia toxins.I had a LLMD tell me that brain fog/lightheadedness is most often ammonia in the brain.,so its something you might want to try..There are other products out there that supposedly neutralize ammonia and I have tried a couple of them.Thus far K mag Kg is the best one I have found, although I do have to take a high dose of three tablets.

Sometimes I have to take a detoxifier and then K mag Kg at least twice before all the ammonia released is taken care of.Sometimes( for me anyways) kudzu is also helpful in that it makes circulation in the brain better and clears up some of the light headed feeling like you are getting.

Terry ,it is simply the process of how this all works and I am well aware that it is frustrating , There have been many times I have wanted to just throw my hands up in the air and give up ( usually when I have a bad brainfog herx going on and forget what it is i take to make it better).But I keep on doing it despite the fact it feels crappy, because i feel better within hours of doing the detox process

and again the things that will help you not feel so crappy during the process is the building up of your immune system and adrenals with herbs and supplements support the liver function with herbs and detox

Yes the amounts of capsules of stuff or tinctures that we take is staggering.My morning pill case has 20-25 capsules, tablets, etc in it.plus I use a lot of transdermal magnesium oil because it helps the body function ( this one is easy to forget to do some days) better in just about every system of the body.

again for you it may be getting the timing right for your needs but do try to understand the biological process that takes place which makes you feel worse before you feel better.It is mind boggling I know , but try sticking with it for several months and I am sure you will see a difference in how you are able to function and just being able to be clear headed for a few hours a day would probably be a huge relief for you..I know it was for me.

Re: dont read into this to much Death Posted by: "T.B" candlemn42@... candlemn42@... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:12 pm ((PDT))Heres where you are missing the point.I am well aware of what a herx is my problem is when i take a detoxifier the herx is worse i am more symptomatic..Now if the detoxifier is suppose to lessen the effects of the herx why is it exculating mine and i am taking a binder 45 minuetes after a detoxifier... Posted by: "T.B" candlemn42@... candlemn42@... Date: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:12 pm ((PDT))Heres where you are missing the point.I am well aware of what a herx is my problem is when i take a detoxifier the herx is worse i am more symptomatic..Now if the detoxifier is suppose to lessen the effects of the herx why is it exculating mine and i am taking a binder 45 minuetes after a detoxifier...

"Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller

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July 29, 2012

Very good Jane ,

You rexplanation is super

It take smuch longer for me to clear up thought severla days befo reit was two to 3 weeks so it may be longer for some ,

Kindly marie

To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 10:40 AMSubject: Re: dont read into this to much Death