Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 So true! Just reminding myself that I don't have to clench up every time a situation presents itself -- I can decide to let go, and I can literally feel my insides relaxing again. You're so right -- Learning to let go is key. I think our BPD parents transmit fear to us -- fear in so many situations, fear of their anger, fear of the world -- the possibilities are endless, but I think anxiety and fear are at the root of it. We're indoctrinated at a young age into this mindset. Letting go and getting on with your life is the antidote. And as for that " you can't take a joke " crap -- I think a lot of the " jokes " inflicted on people are just hostility wrapped in joke's clothing. Telling someone to just " get over it " without regard to the facts is insensitive. We all know that sometimes, kids' " jokes " can be cruel. -Kyla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I am also very sensitive. In fact my life revolves around smells. I know that sounds weird but, I am so in tune to certain smells that relate to places and times. When I was pregnant I made sure I used body items with smells I absolutely loved and would take me back to that time, when I smelled them in the future. I am also sensitive in other ways and suffer from migraines. It is funny, when I was thirteen I was diagnosed with Leukemia. I remember telling my nada I thought I got Leukemia from all the stress in our lives. Of course they do not know what causes Leukemia and a lot of kids from mentally stable families are diagnosed with Leukemia. I guess by thirteen my nada had already caused me so much stress. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 There is a book by Dr. Elaine Aron called " The Highly Sensitive Person " that has helped me understand myself better because I have alot of these characteristics. Some reviewers complain that the book doesn't really tell you what to do once you have defined yourself as a Highly Sensitive Person. But I feel that knowing there are (alot) of other people out there who become exhausted and even sick from too much external stimulus is helpful, just the knowing that you are not alone. The book also also made me appreciate the positive aspects of being highly sensitive, i.e., appreciating art, music, being intuitive of other peoples feelings (sometimes that is a blessing, sometimes not LOL) > > > > I was always labeled by my Nada as being withdrawn, painfully shy, > > introverted, drama queen, overly sensitive etc. She use to comment > > on how I noticed the slighted smell and almost started throwing up > > if it was awful. I began to see some of these same qualities in my > > child when I was first introduced to the concept of being a Highly > > Sensitive Person. Here are the characteristics associated with > being > > Highly Sensitive and I was wondering if other KO's also have these > > characteristics? > > > > You, have a heightened awareness of subtleties in your environment, > > whether it's sight, sound, touch, taste, or smell. > > > > You can become stressed out and upset when overwhelmed and may find > > it necessary to get away, maybe into a darkened room, to seek > > solitude, relief and comfort. > > > > You are very conscientious, hard working, and meticulous, but may > > become uncomfortable and less efficient or productive when being > > closely watched or scrutinized. > > > > You feel compelled to file and organize things and thoughts, also > > enjoy simplicity and may become overwhelmed or even immobilized by > > chaos, clutter, or stress. > > > > You are very uncomfortable when feeling things are getting out of > > your control. > > > > You get a sense of comfort and well being when around a lake, > river, > > stream, the ocean, or even a fountain. > > > > You experience mood swings, sometimes occurring almost instantly > and > > can also be affected by other people's moods, emotions and > problems. > > > > You have a deep, rich, inner life, are very spiritual and may also > > frequently have vivid dreams, and possibly nightmares. > > > > You are very intuitive and you feel that you can usually sense if > > someone isn't telling the truth or if something else is wrong. > > > > You get concerned and worry about many things, and have also been > > told " you take things too personally. " > > > > You have had the experience of " cutting people out " of your life. > > > > You were considered quiet, introverted, timid, or shy as a child. > > > > Here are a few more to consider... Can be startled easily. Cautious > > in new situations. May have trouble sleeping. Extra sensitive to > > pain. Don't like crowds. Avoids violent movies and TV shows. Has a > > deep respect and appreciation of nature, music and art. > > > > Do some, or many, of these statements ring true for you, your > > partner, or someone important in your life? If so, you or they may > > be a highly sensitive person or " HSP. " > > > > Kelley > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 How do you manage to do that? I write too (on the web), and I'd like to publish a book eventually. But lately I've been feeling bogged down and blocked. I think my nada has to do with it. I don't want her to know about what I write--I don't want to hear her criticism or her lame, belated praise. How do you get to the point where you don't worry about that anymore? qwerty > kelley ward wrote: > > I forgot to put at age 27 I learned to play the guitar, wrote songs, and by 29 I performed at a coffee house. Nada showed up to cheer me on. I still play but am finding it hard with a 3 year old who wants to play also (my guitar while I play) and a 9 week old. However, I am excited that now I can play both piano and guitar. She also told me I couldn't write and I have now published 4 articles in nursing journals and 1 drug book for nurses. I am starting my second book a study guide for pediatric nurses this week! Funny how in many ways I broke free of her hold on me. > > Kelley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Well done for having separated in that way, and accomplished so much! My problem is that even though I haven't told her about my writing, I am still blocked. I started a blog about a year and a half ago. I wrote on it pretty regularly, and am also writing a monthly article for another website. But I feel very blocked. I feel very negative about sitting down to write, and at the same time disappointed that my blog has not become nearly as popular as some other blogs. It just feels like I'm writing for an audience of zero that doesn't appreciate what I have to say. I usually love to cook, and lately that hasn't been much fun either. The only creative activity that seems fun these days is taking photos. I think I'm kind of depressed, but this issue in particular bugs me. I like being creative, and lately it's been hard for me to do that. I even started thinking of a short story I want to write, but haven't been able to muster up more than an outline. Has anyone else had this problem? What do you do? qwerty > > > I didn't realize her hold on me until I had already written my book. I think in my career I separated myself somewhat (because I am a nursing professor and she is a teacher) since she didn't have a clue about my field of expertise. Thanks for bringing this to mind. I didn't realize I had separated from her that way. > > My advice is do it for yourself and don't tell her if she criticizes you. Then when you finish you can be proud of what you did for yourself. > > Kelley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Hi Kelley, Your post struck a big chord with me! My stepnada was always calling me too sensitive, too shy, too everything she wasn't, which is loud, abrasive, insensitive, tactless, crude, and bossy. She forced me into dance classes, which I begged not to do and was embarrassed further since I couldn't learn the steps and the other kids were ruthless about it (they were there because they wanted to be). She also forced me to do things I was scared to do by calling me a wuss, a baby, or getting super angry and giving me the pressure cooker silent treatment. The first time she and my father took me and my sister to Disneyland was probably one of the most traumatic memories of my childhood. She forced us onto the roller coasters (we were 8 and 5), forced us to take pictures with the characters (after we asked her not to make us), etc. Of course, when we said no to anything, or asserted our own opinion about something (gasp!) she would get deeply offended and either rage or silent treatment us. Who was really the sensitive person in this scenario? We were expected to accept her for who she was and tiptoe around her feelings, but we were never accepted for who we were or respected/validated in any way. It's interesting how being treated this way made a lot of us creative people! > >> > I was always labeled by my Nada as being withdrawn, painfully shy, > > introverted, drama queen, overly sensitive etc. She use to comment > > on how I noticed the slighted smell and almost started throwing up > > if it was awful. I began to see some of these same qualities in my > > child when I was first introduced to the concept of being a Highly > > Sensitive Person. Here are the characteristics associated with > being > > Highly Sensitive and I was wondering if other KO's also have these > > characteristics?> > > > You, have a heightened awareness of subtleties in your > environment, > > whether it's sight, sound, touch, taste, or smell. > > > > You can become stressed out and upset when overwhelmed and may > find > > it necessary to get away, maybe into a darkened room, to seek > > solitude, relief and comfort. > > > > You are very conscientious, hard working, and meticulous, but may > > become uncomfortable and less efficient or productive when being > > closely watched or scrutinized. > > > > You feel compelled to file and organize things and thoughts, also > > enjoy simplicity and may become overwhelmed or even immobilized by > > chaos, clutter, or stress. > > > > You are very uncomfortable when feeling things are getting out of > > your control. > > > > You get a sense of comfort and well being when around a lake, > river, > > stream, the ocean, or even a fountain. > > > > You experience mood swings, sometimes occurring almost instantly > and > > can also be affected by other people's moods, emotions and > problems. > > > > You have a deep, rich, inner life, are very spiritual and may also > > frequently have vivid dreams, and possibly nightmares. > > > > You are very intuitive and you feel that you can usually sense if > > someone isn't telling the truth or if something else is wrong. > > > > You get concerned and worry about many things, and have also been > > told " you take things too personally. " > > > > You have had the experience of " cutting people out " of your life. > > > > You were considered quiet, introverted, timid, or shy as a child. > > > > Here are a few more to consider... Can be startled easily. > Cautious > > in new situations. May have trouble sleeping. Extra sensitive to > > pain. Don't like crowds. Avoids violent movies and TV shows. Has a > > deep respect and appreciation of nature, music and art. > > > > Do some, or many, of these statements ring true for you, your > > partner, or someone important in your life? If so, you or they may > > be a highly sensitive person or " HSP. " > > > > Kelley> >> > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. > http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Kelley, Wow, you've already got lots of responses. I'd say I own lots of those traits. Also, I am extremely annoyed by the sound of other people eating. There are lots of us out there--though I only realized it after a google search ;-) And I hate the feel of terrycloth and certain other fabrics on my hands. Very interesting topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Mini-Me is a concept that strikes a chord! My BPD FADA-in-law was a huge, loud-mouthed marine who was abandoned as a baby. Naturally, without parents and counseling, he grew up a severely wounded creature. After having children, he forced my H as a young child to physcially fight mean boys in the neighborhood. At 4 years old, my H shouldn't have been outside playing unsupervised at all, but his waif mom didn't care so long as he was not demanding her attention... once outside in the city, he was eaten up by bullies and would come home in tears. His FADA's response was to force him to fight. He was too afraid, naturally, at four years old... DUH! Consequently, this brilliant man came up with the perfect remedy: he forced his child to wear his mother's frilly nightgown and parade outside dressed this way. He figured it would cure him of being a wimp and a wuss. The damage was probably immeasurable, but my H ended up becoming somewhat of a bully for most of his childhood, as well as a homophobe and insensitive person. My H was literally 40 years old before he realized, with the help of a good counselor, that this strategy, which we refer to as " the dress treatment " was abusive. My how these people screw up their children... ~Elle > >> > I was always labeled by my Nada as being withdrawn, painfully shy, > > introverted, drama queen, overly sensitive etc. She use to comment > > on how I noticed the slighted smell and almost started throwing up > > if it was awful. I began to see some of these same qualities in my > > child when I was first introduced to the concept of being a Highly > > Sensitive Person. Here are the characteristics associated with > being > > Highly Sensitive and I was wondering if other KO's also have these > > characteristics?> > > > You, have a heightened awareness of subtleties in your > environment, > > whether it's sight, sound, touch, taste, or smell. > > > > You can become stressed out and upset when overwhelmed and may > find > > it necessary to get away, maybe into a darkened room, to seek > > solitude, relief and comfort. > > > > You are very conscientious, hard working, and meticulous, but may > > become uncomfortable and less efficient or productive when being > > closely watched or scrutinized. > > > > You feel compelled to file and organize things and thoughts, also > > enjoy simplicity and may become overwhelmed or even immobilized by > > chaos, clutter, or stress. > > > > You are very uncomfortable when feeling things are getting out of > > your control. > > > > You get a sense of comfort and well being when around a lake, > river, > > stream, the ocean, or even a fountain. > > > > You experience mood swings, sometimes occurring almost instantly > and > > can also be affected by other people's moods, emotions and > problems. > > > > You have a deep, rich, inner life, are very spiritual and may also > > frequently have vivid dreams, and possibly nightmares. > > > > You are very intuitive and you feel that you can usually sense if > > someone isn't telling the truth or if something else is wrong. > > > > You get concerned and worry about many things, and have also been > > told " you take things too personally. " > > > > You have had the experience of " cutting people out " of your life. > > > > You were considered quiet, introverted, timid, or shy as a child. > > > > Here are a few more to consider... Can be startled easily. > Cautious > > in new situations. May have trouble sleeping. Extra sensitive to > > pain. Don't like crowds. Avoids violent movies and TV shows. Has a > > deep respect and appreciation of nature, music and art. > > > > Do some, or many, of these statements ring true for you, your > > partner, or someone important in your life? If so, you or they may > > be a highly sensitive person or " HSP. " > > > > Kelley> >> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________> The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console.> http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html? ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Lucky you.......I have 3 boys and threatin to buy one, and paint it blue....my youngest would love it......my husband thought it was a stupid idea, men!!! I do however, plan to buy any future grand daughters, one or two (one for her and one for me;0) drlingirl > >> > I was always labeled by my Nada as being withdrawn, > > painfully shy, > > introverted, drama queen, overly sensitive etc. > > She use to comment > > on how I noticed the slighted smell and > > almost started throwing up > > if it was awful. I began to see some > > of these same qualities in my > > child when I was first introduced > > to the concept of being a Highly > > Sensitive Person. Here are the > > characteristics associated with > being > > Highly Sensitive and I > > was wondering if other KO's also have these > > characteristics? > > > > > > You, have a heightened awareness of subtleties in your > > > environment, > > whether it's sight, sound, touch, taste, or smell. > > > > > > You can become stressed out and upset when overwhelmed and > > may > find > > it necessary to get away, maybe into a darkened > room, > > to seek > > solitude, relief and comfort. > > > > You are very > > conscientious, hard working, and meticulous, but may > > become > > uncomfortable and less efficient or productive when being > > > > closely watched or scrutinized. > > > > You feel compelled to file > > and organize things and thoughts, also > > enjoy simplicity and may > > become overwhelmed or even immobilized by > > chaos, clutter, or > > stress. > > > > You are very uncomfortable when feeling things are > > getting out of > > your control. > > > > You get a sense of comfort > > and well being when around a lake, > river, > > stream, the ocean, > > or even a fountain. > > > > You experience mood swings, sometimes > > occurring almost instantly > and > > can also be affected by other > > people's moods, emotions and > problems. > > > > You have a deep, > > rich, inner life, are very spiritual and may also > > frequently > > have vivid dreams, and possibly nightmares. > > > > You are very > > intuitive and you feel that you can usually sense if > > someone > > isn't telling the truth or if something else is wrong. > > > > You > > get concerned and worry about many things, and have also been > > > > told " you take things too personally. " > > > > You have had the > > experience of " cutting people out " of your life. > > > > You were > > considered quiet, introverted, timid, or shy as a child. > > > > > > Here are a few more to consider... Can be startled easily. > > > Cautious > > in new situations. May have trouble sleeping. Extra > > sensitive to > > pain. Don't like crowds. Avoids violent movies and > > TV shows. Has a > > deep respect and appreciation of nature, music > > and art. > > > > Do some, or many, of these statements ring true > for > > you, your > > partner, or someone important in your life? If so, > you > > or they may > > be a highly sensitive person or " HSP. " > > > > > > Kelley> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer > on > > an Xbox 360 Console. > > > http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Random senses working overtime - fun topic! I also can't stand the sound of other people chewing. My nada takes the biggest bites and I swear she doesn't acually chew - she mushes and swallows. Makes me gag. Others who actually chew loudly, though, drive me more crazy because I can look away but still hear them. I also hear things from a distance that others do not, but can tune out my nada's voice like nobody's business! I can also read people's faces very well, as well as their body language, but am definitely better at observing than befriending. I think this comes from the trauma of having to get a friend cleared by my mother. I think I involuntarily decide some people aren't worth the trauma of explaining to my mother, on the off chance they should meet, even though obviously at 32 she knows very few of my friends at all. My mother, on the other hand, has this sense of smell that is amazing. Unfortunately, she uses it for evil. She can smell a half- full trash can and harp on my dad until he takes it out, she can complain about the perfume and hairspray of others (thankfully hairspray isn't used nearly as often as it used to be!!) and she can complain about cigarette smoke, asian food, and all sorts of things in multiple ways - but always more loudly than she thinks she is. She does not, as it happens, have my super-hearing! Cheryl > > Kelley, > > Wow, you've already got lots of responses. I'd say I own lots of those > traits. > > Also, I am extremely annoyed by the sound of other people eating. > There are lots of us out there--though I only realized it after a > google search ;-) And I hate the feel of terrycloth and certain other > fabrics on my hands. > > Very interesting topic. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 OMG... my nada did the same thing to me with my best friend. Not only that, she made me get off the phone while my friend was still *on the other end* so she could berate me for not standing up for myself. How did she know? Why she was listening in on my private conversation, of course! qwerty > > > Your story sounds much like mine. I too was forced to do things I didn't want to do i.e. call a friend who had done something mean to me in the 8th grade and tell her what I thought while my mother stood there telling me what to say. She still prides herself for getting me out of my shell. I think it wasn't her abuse that made me creative but that I was born creative and I had to put my creativity aside in order to become who she wanted me to be as a child. > > Kelley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Ohmygosh, this is so weird! Is this part of growing up with a BPD? I want to SCREAM when I hear someone chewing with his mouth open. And when my husband eats ice cream or cereal, he clinks the side of the bowl every time he puts his spoon in, then he clinks the spoon against his teeth! I want to pour the stuff over his head! There cannot possibly be anyone who makes as much noise chewing, even if his mouth is closed. I swear I didn't notice it until after he proposed, but after 25 years I still find it hard to tolerate. I have a friend who not only chews with his mouth open; he moves the food around so that everyone in the house can see what he's eating, and his child eats just like him. I always make sure I'm not sitting across from them, because it is like chalk on a blackboard. And I do not have acute hearing, as a matter of fact, I have tinnitus and hearing loss. For some reason I'm just abnormally sensitive, and I wish that I weren't. It would make life easier. Wisteria > Oh, my goodness, I thought I was the only one that got annoyed at the > sound of people eating! Not everybody -- but certain people. > > Also, my skin is extremely sensitive -- Not only can I NOT wear wool, > I am so sensitive to it that it bothers me to be with OTHER people > wearing wool! > > I can't stand my hands or feet to be dried out -- I always have shoes > on, no matter where I am. Even if it's just flip flops in the house > or at the beach, my soles are covered.... > > I think my sensitivity is why I have an aversion to crowds, too. > > -Kyla > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 Drives me crazy too, but not nearly as bad as it did my N-ex. I had to feed our babies before he got home from work because he would lose it if a 6 month old opened their mouths with food or drooled any. I mean totally lose it. If we didn't mind our " manners " with my Nada we'd get the back of her hand out of the blue. Didn't take long until you learned to chew as quietly as possible, otherwise, you wouldn't be doing much chewing for awhile after that backhand. Plus, she'd take your food so you couldn't finish. Punishment. I sometimes think that my 2nd HB eats like a cow chewing it's cud. Chips and salsa at the Mexican restaurant is painful to me. It takes every bit of energy I have sometimes not to go ballistic over something that really shouldn't bother me in the least. Khris > > Oh, my goodness, I thought I was the only one that got > annoyed at the > > sound of people eating! Not everybody -- but certain people. > > > > Also, my skin is extremely sensitive -- Not only can I NOT wear wool, > > I am so sensitive to it that it bothers me to be with OTHER people > > wearing wool! > > > > I can't stand my hands or feet to be dried out -- I always have shoes > > on, no matter where I am. Even if it's just flip flops in the house > > or at the beach, my soles are covered.... > > > > I think my sensitivity is why I have an aversion to crowds, too. > > > > -Kyla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 That's very interesting. Thanks for the info. And I had to copy and paste this: http://www.hyperacusis.net and then select " three types of sound sensitivity " . Wisteria > > Since there are so many of you who experience the aversion to chewing > sounds, here is a link to the first site I ever read about it (you > might have to cut and paste). > > http://www.hyperacusis.net/hyperacusis/3+types+of+sound+sensitivity/defa > ult.asp > > You can also do a web search under hyperacusis or misophonia. My own > annoyance at these sounds seems worst when I am stressed. Most of the > time it doesn't bother me much at all. > > Some scientists have hypothesised that these kinds of sensitivities: to > sound, light, smell (I laughed when I read about Hermit sensitivity to > smell in UBM bc my mom has always complained about smelly), etc., are > often related to PTSD or autoimmune disorders. There have been lots of > discussions about those things on this board. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I can't STAND the sound of people eating sometimes. It doesn't bother me all the time, but it can drive me nuts other days. I also can't stand the feel of stiff or " itchy " fabrics on my skin. It drives me mad. I have eczema as well, so my hands in particular are constantly dried out. I find it is worse when nada is bothering me excessively. > > > > Kelley, > > > > Wow, you've already got lots of responses. I'd say I own lots of > those > > traits. > > > > Also, I am extremely annoyed by the sound of other people eating. > > There are lots of us out there--though I only realized it after a > > google search ;-) And I hate the feel of terrycloth and certain > other > > fabrics on my hands. > > > > Very interesting topic. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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