Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Hi Terence,Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir.Take care,Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: infra sauna herx ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 You know Jeff i am thinking maybe so i coiled friday and i just keep feeling worse.I am detoxing like crazy ,taking a binder and still getting worse so i said to myself what else am i doing and the sauna clicked in.Tonight i did it and feel really horrible now more so then earlier in the day Subject: RE: infra sauna herxTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM Hi Terence, Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir. Take care, Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: infra sauna herx ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Terence,There’s a famous saying here “Pace, don’t race†and if I’ve learned anything over the last 22+ years it’s that. It’s a long frustrating trip and you have to try to slow it down a bit and not do too much at one time.Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of T.BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:26 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: RE: infra sauna herx You know Jeff i am thinking maybe so i coiled friday and i just keep feeling worse.I am detoxing like crazy ,taking a binder and still getting worse so i said to myself what else am i doing and the sauna clicked in.Tonight i did it and feel really horrible now more so then earlier in the daySubject: RE: infra sauna herxTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM Hi Terence,Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir.Take care,Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: infra sauna herx ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 thinkiing that here as i feel like i am gonna die Subject: RE: infra sauna herxTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM Hi Terence, Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir. Take care, Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: infra sauna herx ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Not that it helps but I know exactly how you feel. From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of T.BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:46 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: RE: infra sauna herx thinkiing that here as i feel like i am gonna dieSubject: RE: infra sauna herxTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM Hi Terence,Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir.Take care,Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: infra sauna herx ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Jeff you know if this is lyme i have i am in big trouble because i must be infested with it Subject: RE: infra sauna herxTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM Hi Terence, Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir. Take care, Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: infra sauna herx ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Terence,If you’ve just recently started treating it usually gets worse before it starts improving. Keep the faith.Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of T.BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:52 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: RE: infra sauna herx Jeff you know if this is lyme i have i am in big trouble because i must be infested with it Subject: RE: infra sauna herxTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM Hi Terence,Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir. Take care, Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: infra sauna herx ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 you know they had me on iv rocephin last year because of a positive wb igm and my mri of the brain had a few spots .Well i have to tell you the rocephin i lasted 22 days on it created 99 percent of the neuro symptoms i have now .After that i said whatever i have the rocephin exasperated it .I have had 4 mris after the rocephin and my brain now has many more spots than pre rocephin.I have been to the er ,hospital admissions testing to no tommorrow,and been all over the east coast at teaching hospitals because of these severe neuro symptoms after Rocephin and no hospital,neurologist,rhumy, anyone can tell me whats up..My primary doc wanted to reput back on antibiotics right after the rocephin and i refused.This all happened back in march 2011 and i have gotten nothing but worse i even went and did my Will .I started retreating myself for lyme in April of this year with samento,alimax hyperbaric chamber and my sauna still no improvement so coiling here is my last option i dont even know where to go from here. Subject: RE: infra sauna herxTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM Hi Terence, Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir. Take care, Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: infra sauna herx ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 oh and my westernblot i had redone in june after being on samento,alimax and again the igm bands 23,41 are positive whats weird is the never convert to igg Subject: RE: infra sauna herxTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM Hi Terence, Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir. Take care, Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: infra sauna herx ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Hi Terence,Again no help but it’s a familiar story. I went over 22 years before getting a correct dx or any treatment. When my LLMD first gave me abx he told me I would get much worse before I got any better and it would take some time, to start feeling decent and possibly I would never feel completely better.  That’s exactly what happened. It took a few months off the abx but I’ve improved somewhat. I still have many neuro issues but I can see some progress. I’m sure others have similar stories and the best advice is take it slow and don’t try to do too much at once. Stick to coiling for a while before adding any other killing protocols. I’ve had good results with MMS as well. I don’t coil but use my fir which I purchased just before discovering this group. My LLMD also has a Hyperbaric in his office and has told me not to waste my time that he hasn’t had any good results with Lymies using it.Take care,Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of T.BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:05 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: RE: infra sauna herx you know they had me on iv rocephin last year because of a positive wb igm and my mri of the brain had a few spots .Well i have to tell you the rocephin i lasted 22 days on it created 99 percent of the neuro symptoms i have now .After that i said whatever i have the rocephin exasperated it .I have had 4 mris after the rocephin and my brain now has many more spots than pre rocephin.I have been to the er ,hospital admissions testing to no tommorrow,and been all over the east coast at teaching hospitals because of these severe neuro symptoms after Rocephin and no hospital,neurologist,rhumy, anyone can tell me whats up..My primary doc wanted to reput back on antibiotics right after the rocephin and i refused.This all happened back in march 2011 and i have gotten nothing but worse i even went and did my Will .I started retreating myself for lyme in April of this year with samento,alimax hyperbaric chamber and my sauna still no improvement so coiling here is my last option i dont even know where to go from here. Subject: RE: infra sauna herxTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM Hi Terence,Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir. Take care, Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: infra sauna herx ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 It’s a weird disease. From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of T.BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:06 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: RE: infra sauna herx oh and my westernblot i had redone in june after being on samento,alimax and again the igm bands 23,41 are positive whats weird is the never convert to igg Subject: RE: infra sauna herxTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM Hi Terence,Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir. Take care, Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: infra sauna herx ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 yeah the hyperbariac was a 10,000 dollar waste but i had to give it a try desperate ppl do desperate things.. Subject: RE: infra sauna herxTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM Hi Terence, Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir. Take care, Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: infra sauna herx ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 its beyond weird its the most destructive pathogen there is i think Subject: RE: infra sauna herxTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM Hi Terence, Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir. Take care, Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence BSent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: infra sauna herx ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I've had to steer clear of my fir sauna for years due to a herx cycle that lasted for DAYS after I had a 15 minute session at 120 degrees F. I'm afraid to go back in even with all the reports of the health benefits. Maybe I just need to try again slower, but it was so extreme, I am really hesitant to give it another go. I think after I coil & kill more bugs I'll give it another try. So...I guess you're not the only one!~! :-) > > > Subject: RE: infra sauna herx > To: Lyme_and_Rife > Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM > > >  > > > > Hi Terence, > Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir. > Take care, > Jeff >  > > > From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence B > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PM > To: Lyme_and_Rife > Subject: infra sauna herx >  >  > > > > > ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 you know ppl say it shouldnt make you herx but i tell you when i use it i dont feel so bad for the first hour out then afterwards i am horrible so there must be a correlation. Subject: Re: infra sauna herxTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 5:49 AM I've had to steer clear of my fir sauna for years due to a herx cycle that lasted for DAYS after I had a 15 minute session at 120 degrees F. I'm afraid to go back in even with all the reports of the health benefits. Maybe I just need to try again slower, but it was so extreme, I am really hesitant to give it another go. I think after I coil & kill more bugs I'll give it another try. So...I guess you're not the only one!~! :-) > > > Subject: RE: infra sauna herx> To: Lyme_and_Rife > Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM > > > > > > > Hi Terence,> Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir. > Take care, > Jeff > > > > From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence B> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PM> To: Lyme_and_Rife > Subject: infra sauna herx> > > > > > > ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 Hi Terry, We are all infested with Lyme, spiro's L & cyst forms and some with coinfectinos... Good killing and detoxing protocols and a lot of patience is what gets us to better health... Also, very important to try to get to more positive thinking about Lyme and life... Not easy, I know but being positive has really helped me through some tough times... Don't let Lyme control you as it sure will, you are going to control it.. I am not positive 24/7/365, but most of the time I am.. http://psychology.about.com/od/PositivePsychology/f/positive-thinking.htm?nl=1 Take care, Jim > > > Subject: RE: infra sauna herx > To: Lyme_and_Rife > Date: Tuesday, July 24, 2012, 6:20 PM > > >  > > > > Hi Terence, > Possibly you’re killing off too many of the little buggers at one time. I usually don’t have a problem with my fir. > Take care, > Jeff >  > > > From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Terence B > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:12 PM > To: Lyme_and_Rife > Subject: infra sauna herx >  >  > > > > > ok now some will say no but i just went into my sauna about 2 hours ago for 30 minutes at 120 degrees and now my symptoms are even worse than before..I am thinking the sauna is keeping this herx cycle if thats what i have continuing.I googled it to see if other ppl have experienced this and found i am not the only one..Has anyone on here experienced this?Thinking the heat in there because it heats internally must be killing something. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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