Re: Hard to breathe--herx?

July 26, 2012

Hie Lorry ,

This si typicallyone of my herx symptoms if I do ti to much .

to get rid of it he reis what i do

a colema it rinse my intestin and the liver works much better half an hour to two hours after the colema it i smuch better

if you do nto have a colema severla aenmas may help instead

I tale also 1g of vit C +600mg of COQ +1200mg of magnesium all are excellent for the heart providing you do not have low

blood pressure then decrese the magnesium and take some licorice tea.

I also have a welding bottle of oxygene with a regulator . the welding O2

is 98% O2 instead of 100% a dct told me that it wroks as well . I uses for my ozone also and needless to say O3 get rid of theses symtpoms at the speed of light but I had it at home because of my paralysi I would not buy it just for this .

a second possibility would beif it looks a littl ebit like asthma that heat has increased the amountof fungus in th eair conditioning I have this hear I need to run once in a while hte sonic diffusor with theif oil to kill it ( mold warriors dct shoemaker )

Get well

andif you fel like it would be th emuscl that gets week please post again with a neurological title as I do nto alwasy read everything )

kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:43 PMSubject: Hard to breathe--herx?

All,I recently increased my coiling time and am suffering the usual increase in herx. (I am only coiling for Lyme right now.) However, I seemed to finally be on the upside of this one when I started noticing trouble breathing. Today was worse than yesterday, which was same/slightly worse than the day before. So I was going up and now am going back down. If I am lying down, preferably trying to sleep, I have an easier time breathing. If I am up and moving around, I start feeling winded pretty quickly. Even lying here typing is bringing it on worse. My heart rate tonight was 100 when I checked, but 90-100 and sometimes higher is fairly normal for me. I had this happen one time before for a little while, but it was before I started coiling. My dr at the time (who did not understand Lyme) felt like it had to do with my GI tract (? didn't make much sense to me), but a full work-up including endo- and colonoscopy showed nothing but a

little gastritis. After learning about flares, I realized that the last episode hit during a spring flare, but isn't it early for fall flare? I was doing some homeopathy at the time, don't remember exactly what they had me on, and it eventually went away on its own. But that doesn't make me feel any better about it. The weather in AL has been brutal this summer, with either temps or heat indices in the triple digits (like 108). I don't go outside much and keep the air down to 71 degrees in the house, plus a fan blowing on me besides, but I know that the weather can still impact us through changes in pressure, fronts, etc. I have noticed that when I'm not paying attention, my breathing has become very shallow. Once I notice, I try to breathe deeper, but the feeling of not getting enough air doesn't go away. No cough or anything similar. Benadryl does seem to help, but it may just be because I usually take it before lying down. To be safe,

I'm stopping all supplements that I haven't been taking for a long time, such as magnesium. Whatever this is, it makes me crave cold water, and it completely saps my energy (what little I might have to begin with, that is). Also, loss of appetite (worse than usual), but my body lets me know when I've ignored food for too long. I'm eating at least two times a day, but usually smaller meals, like maybe just some brown rice or something. I'm at a loss here. Any help on this would be much appreciated. Hope all are seeing better days,Lorrie

July 27, 2012

lorrie,i had cravings for water everything 30 min. when i get these crazy attacks of anxiety, air hunger, nausea, heart palps and sweats. sometimes the cravings were of a panic nature, where i thought i wouldn't make it without the water. then i would guzzle about 12 oz. cold was better as it cooled me down inside when the sweating hit.

i have noticed that since i started doing the mag oil (transdermal), the craving for water has ceased. now i have to think about getting enough water in me. the heart palps have all but stopped and also the air hunger is much, much, less. over all, i think the entire attack has lessened in intensity and length. (over 25 drs could not figure out where they come from).

don't know if this helps. you are the first person that i have heard mention the water craving. it is weird as i have never been one to consume much liquids and then when these attacks started back in 2000, and have continued 24/7, i couldn't get enough water. would lack of mag. cause the water craving??

trying mag oil might be worth a try. if you do, let me know if it helps the water craving. barbara

Hie Lorry ,

This si typicallyone of my herx symptoms if I do ti to much .

to get rid of it he reis what i do

a colema it rinse my intestin and the liver works much better half an hour to two hours after the colema it i smuch better

if you do nto have a colema severla aenmas may help instead

I tale also 1g of vit C +600mg of COQ +1200mg of magnesium all are excellent for the heart providing you do not have low

blood pressure then decrese the magnesium and take some licorice tea.

I also have a welding bottle of oxygene with a regulator . the welding O2

is 98% O2 instead of 100% a dct told me that it wroks as well . I uses for my ozone also and needless to say O3 get rid of theses symtpoms at the speed of light but I had it at home because of my paralysi I would not buy it just for this .

a second possibility would beif it looks a littl ebit like asthma that heat has increased the amountof fungus in th eair conditioning I have this hear I need to run once in a while hte sonic diffusor with theif oil to kill it ( mold warriors dct shoemaker )

Get well

andif you fel like it would be th emuscl that gets week please post again with a neurological title as I do nto alwasy read everything )

kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:43 PM

Subject: Hard to breathe--herx?

All,I recently increased my coiling time and am suffering the usual increase in herx. (I am only coiling for Lyme right now.) However, I seemed to finally be on the upside of this one when I started noticing trouble breathing. Today was worse than yesterday, which was same/slightly worse than the day before. So I was going up and now am going back down. If I am lying down, preferably trying to sleep, I have an easier time breathing. If I am up and moving around, I start feeling winded pretty quickly. Even lying here typing is bringing it on worse. My heart rate tonight was 100 when I checked, but 90-100 and sometimes higher is fairly normal for me.

I had this happen one time before for a little while, but it was before I started coiling. My dr at the time (who did not understand Lyme) felt like it had to do with my GI tract (? didn't make much sense to me), but a full work-up including endo- and colonoscopy showed nothing but a

little gastritis. After learning about flares, I realized that the last episode hit during a spring flare, but isn't it early for fall flare? I was doing some homeopathy at the time, don't remember exactly what they had me on, and it eventually went away on its own. But that doesn't make me feel any better about it.

The weather in AL has been brutal this summer, with either temps or heat indices in the triple digits (like 108). I don't go outside much and keep the air down to 71 degrees in the house, plus a fan blowing on me besides, but I know that the weather can still impact us through changes in pressure, fronts, etc.

I have noticed that when I'm not paying attention, my breathing has become very shallow. Once I notice, I try to breathe deeper, but the feeling of not getting enough air doesn't go away. No cough or anything similar. Benadryl does seem to help, but it may just be because I usually take it before lying down. To be safe,

I'm stopping all supplements that I haven't been taking for a long time, such as magnesium. Whatever this is, it makes me crave cold water, and it completely saps my energy (what little I might have to begin with, that is). Also, loss of appetite (worse than usual), but my body lets me know when I've ignored food for too long. I'm eating at least two times a day, but usually smaller meals, like maybe just some brown rice or something.

I'm at a loss here. Any help on this would be much appreciated. Hope all are seeing better days,Lorrie

July 27, 2012

Barbara and Marie, thanks for answering. Both of your answers have given me some

much needed insight.

Barbara, one thing I thought of as you were mentioning the water cravings...my

daughter has them too. But more intensely than I do, more like you described,

like she panics if she can't get water right then. It mostly happens when she

gets hot. She's not one to drink much of anything normally, and we've always

just thought she dehydrated easily and try to keep water around if we go

somewhere, but hearing your story has me wondering now. My dr thinks that she

may have Lyme as well. I had it while I was pregnant with both of my kids, but

didn't know it. My son seems to have " outgrown " his symptoms. More likely his

immune system is keeping it down. My daughter even had a positive

immunoflourescent assay through Igenix. My son's was indifferent (too positive

to be negative, too negative to be positive). They both have positive bands on

the wbs, but not enough to be considered positive. So I'm the guinea pig. When

we see strong enough results, we'll start on her, and maybe him too, to make

sure it doesn't show back up later in life.

Sorry...back to this post. I take a good bit of magnesium, but I've always taken

it by mouth. What is the advantage to taking it transdermally? It's really hard

for me to get in the bath because of the pain. I have to put towels down in the

bottom of the tub and then have to deal with them and the extra laundry they

bring about. I have some of the mag oil spray in the shower...if I spray it on

straight, it stings, so spraying it on wet skin is the easiest way I've found to

dilute it, but I honestly don't use it very often since I take so much by mouth.

Sorry, I'm rambling tonight. My question was, what is the advantage to

transdermal application?

You mentioned nausea. That's almost a constant for me, just to varying degrees.

As for the sweats, sometimes I wake up drenched. But it's not just at night. If

I'm up doing very much around the house, I get really hot and start sweating.

Again, it's my daughter that's most likely to get hot like me. My husband and

son are freezing in here all the time. I can't stand being hot. My husband got a

great deal on a FIR sauna through Craig's list. He loves it. I can't handle it.

He's seen that it's good for detox and encourages me to use it more, but the

heat is so uncomfortable for my body, it's almost intolerable.

I don't have anxiety so much as what I call " an overloaded nervous system " .

Maybe the same thing. It's not worry. It's that everything is too intense. Too

bright, too loud, too chaotic. I do take Valium. And sometimes Valerian. I

haven't noticed that sensation increasing with these episodes, but the air

hunger and heart palps and pounding do wear me out, even when I'm lying in bed.

And truth be told, I get grouchy while it's going on. Probably because it just

feels yucky, for lack of a better term. You probably understand that better than

anyone. It's hard to explain how this feels until you go through it. I don't

know how you've dealt with it so consistently for so long. I'm sorry to hear

that you've had to endure that. I can't even imagine.

I'll stay on my oral mag while I wait to hear more from you on the transdermal.

Marie said this often happens to her when she overdoes her treatments. I'm about

to start essiac tea for the first time, so if it gets better, then it may be a

herx. It will be interesting to find out.

Thanks for the info. Hope you're seeing better days.

Lorrie

>

> > **

> >

> > Hie Lorry ,

> > This si typicallyone of my herx symptoms if I do ti to much .

> > to get rid of it he reis what i do

> > a colema it rinse my intestin and the liver works much better half an

> > hour to two hours after the colema it i smuch better

> > if you do nto have a colema severla aenmas may help instead

> > I tale also 1g of vit C +600mg of COQ +1200mg of magnesium all are

> > excellent for the heart providing you do not have low

> > blood pressure then decrese the magnesium and take some licorice tea.

> > I also have a welding bottle of oxygene with a regulator . the welding O2

> > is 98% O2 instead of 100% a dct told me that it wroks as well . I uses

> > for my ozone also and needless to say O3 get rid of theses symtpoms at the

> > speed of light but I had it at home because of my paralysi I would not buy

> > it just for this .

> >

> > a second possibility would beif it looks a littl ebit like asthma that

> > heat has increased the amountof fungus in th eair conditioning I have this

> > hear I need to run once in a while hte sonic diffusor with theif oil to

> > kill it ( mold warriors dct shoemaker )

> > Get well

> > andif you fel like it would be th emuscl that gets week please post again

> > with a neurological title as I do nto alwasy read everything )

> > kindly Marie

> >

> > *From:* Lorrie Richter

> > *To:* Lyme_and_Rife

> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:43 PM

> > *Subject:* Hard to breathe--herx?

> >

> > All,

> >

> > I recently increased my coiling time and am suffering the usual increase

> > in herx. (I am only coiling for Lyme right now.) However, I seemed to

> > finally be on the upside of this one when I started noticing trouble

> > breathing. Today was worse than yesterday, which was same/slightly worse

> > than the day before. So I was going up and now am going back down. If I am

> > lying down, preferably trying to sleep, I have an easier time breathing. If

> > I am up and moving around, I start feeling winded pretty quickly. Even

> > lying here typing is bringing it on worse. My heart rate tonight was 100

> > when I checked, but 90-100 and sometimes higher is fairly normal for me.

> >

> > I had this happen one time before for a little while, but it was before I

> > started coiling. My dr at the time (who did not understand Lyme) felt like

> > it had to do with my GI tract (? didn't make much sense to me), but a full

> > work-up including endo- and colonoscopy showed nothing but a little

> > gastritis. After learning about flares, I realized that the last episode

> > hit during a spring flare, but isn't it early for fall flare? I was doing

> > some homeopathy at the time, don't remember exactly what they had me on,

> > and it eventually went away on its own. But that doesn't make me feel any

> > better about it.

> >

> > The weather in AL has been brutal this summer, with either temps or heat

> > indices in the triple digits (like 108). I don't go outside much and keep

> > the air down to 71 degrees in the house, plus a fan blowing on me besides,

> > but I know that the weather can still impact us through changes in

> > pressure, fronts, etc.

> >

> > I have noticed that when I'm not paying attention, my breathing has become

> > very shallow. Once I notice, I try to breathe deeper, but the feeling of

> > not getting enough air doesn't go away. No cough or anything similar.

> > Benadryl does seem to help, but it may just be because I usually take it

> > before lying down. To be safe, I'm stopping all supplements that I haven't

> > been taking for a long time, such as magnesium. Whatever this is, it makes

> > me crave cold water, and it completely saps my energy (what little I might

> > have to begin with, that is). Also, loss of appetite (worse than usual),

> > but my body lets me know when I've ignored food for too long. I'm eating at

> > least two times a day, but usually smaller meals, like maybe just some

> > brown rice or something.

> >

> > I'm at a loss here. Any help on this would be much appreciated.

> >

> > Hope all are seeing better days,

> > Lorrie

> >

>

July 27, 2012

Hi Lorrie and Barbara

i am going to answer you under neith inside your both email.

Hie barbara I go to your previous email the writting is impaired after I answered to Lorrie

kindly marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 1:45 AMSubject: Re: Hard to breathe--herx?

Barbara and Marie, thanks for answering. Both of your answers have given me some much needed insight. Barbara, one thing I thought of as you were mentioning the water cravings...my daughter has them too. But more intensely than I do, more like you described, like she panics if she can't get water right then. It mostly happens when she gets hot. She's not one to drink much of anything normally, and we've always just thought she dehydrated easily and try to keep water around if we go somewhere, but hearing your story has me wondering now. My dr thinks that she may have Lyme as well. I had it while I was pregnant with both of my kids, but didn't know it. My son seems to have "outgrown" his symptoms. More likely his immune system is keeping it down. My daughter even had a positive immunoflourescent assay through Igenix. My son's was indifferent (too positive to be negative, too negative to be positive). They both have positive bands on the wbs,

but not enough to be considered positive. So I'm the guinea pig. When we see strong enough results, we'll start on her, and maybe him too, to make sure it doesn't show back up later in life.

I remember at the tampa conference Dct K mentionning los tof water andexcess or urination due to Lyme une fortunatly I did not remember better than this . Whater is so important I would drink as musch as possible making th ewater as healing as possible first putting liquid minerals in it I know dct kan do so dct K also I do nto have any website to give you may be someone will pop up . You can get chepa machine to mak eozonated water Jim mentionned the crill to put in the water once it is still on my programm to implement it i am 6 month late on what I want to try.

Sorry...back to this post. I take a good bit of magnesium, but I've always taken it by mouth. What is the advantage to taking it transdermally? It's really hard for me to get in the bath because of the pain. I have to put towels down in the bottom of the tub and then have to deal with them and the extra laundry they bring about. I have some of the mag oil spray in the shower...if I spray it on straight, it stings, so spraying it on wet skin is the easiest way I've found to dilute it, but I honestly don't use it very often since I take so much by mouth. Sorry, I'm rambling tonight. My question was, what is the advantage to transdermal application?

the oral magnesium is used by the bacteria to build the biofilm a sort of solid glue and construction that hide bacterias from our immune system and impairs the slow circulation in our body as they like to settle down in th eslow circulation i tcan even goe sto the poit it obture it imparing the return forme th eblood circualtion then bee venon ointment does the job of melting this . it gives also diarhea and accelrating the gut flow make you loos the so precisous minerals we need . So ti si good for contipation . bu ton the skin it goes right into our body .

For your pain dis you try DMSO on the skin whe reit hurt ? or neem oil , or ozonated oil ? or bee venon ointment if not allergic to bee venon ? and first of all did you try the colonic colemas and aenemas . As soo as I feel th epain showing up I do a colema and here it goes a few hours later .

You mentioned nausea. That's almost a constant for me, just to varying degrees. As for the sweats, sometimes I wake up drenched. But it's not just at night. If I'm up doing very much around the house, I get really hot and start sweating. Again, it's my daughter that's most likely to get hot like me. My husband and son are freezing in here all the time. I can't stand being hot. My husband got a great deal on a FIR sauna through Craig's list. He loves it. I can't handle it. He's seen that it's good for detox and encourages me to use it more, but the heat is so uncomfortable for my body, it's almost intolerable.

I thought I had hot flashes it was fever . the mms on the skin doe san imediate beautifull job for this .10 drops of MMS+50 drops of lemon juice add 10 drop sof dmaso and put it one one part of your body within 30 mn th eheat is gone . i fit is fever the MMS i sthe solution as it will adress as well the viruses . I discovered I had hepathit B with nuaseas and impossibility to eat . I took th emMS every hour in a few dasy I was out of danger . I preapre my bottle every day and drinkit every hour with a timer the solution being stbale for mo rethan one day it works and it is easy to do. I would go first in this direction if I were you as lyme is basically a immundeficiency so any infection is florissing it makes sens to have then fever our body being over welmed and paralysed for fighting by lyme it needs all th ehlep it can get . th eMMS on the skin is every two hours foru days a week if I remmeber well

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I don't have anxiety so much as what I call "an overloaded nervous system". Maybe the same thing. It's not worry. It's that everything is too intense. Too bright, too loud, too chaotic. I do take Valium. And sometimes Valerian. I haven't noticed that sensation increasing with these episodes, but the air hunger and heart palps and pounding do wear me out, even when I'm lying in bed. And truth be told, I get grouchy while it's going on. Probably because it just feels yucky, for lack of a better term. You probably understand that better than anyone. It's hard to explain how this feels until you go through it. I don't know how you've dealt with it so consistently for so long. I'm sorry to hear that you've had to endure that. I can't even imagine.

For the mood I saw that L tryptophna helps very well and if it is too bad I take gerovital in pills with no prescritpion or injections with a prescritpion .Ok I go to Barbara now I'll stay on my oral mag while I wait to hear more from you on the transdermal. Marie said this often happens to her when she overdoes her treatments. I'm about to start essiac tea for the first time, so if it gets better, then it may be a herx. It will be interesting to find out. Thanks for the info. Hope you're seeing better days. Lorrie> > > **> >> >> > Hie Lorry ,> > This si typicallyone of my herx symptoms if I do ti to much .> > to get rid of it he reis what i do> > a colema it rinse my

intestin and the liver works much better half an> > hour to two hours after the colema it i smuch better> > if you do nto have a colema severla aenmas may help instead> > I tale also 1g of vit C +600mg of COQ +1200mg of magnesium all are> > excellent for the heart providing you do not have low> > blood pressure then decrese the magnesium and take some licorice tea.> > I also have a welding bottle of oxygene with a regulator . the welding O2> > is 98% O2 instead of 100% a dct told me that it wroks as well . I uses> > for my ozone also and needless to say O3 get rid of theses symtpoms at the> > speed of light but I had it at home because of my paralysi I would not buy> > it just for this .> >> > a second possibility would beif it looks a littl ebit like asthma that> > heat has increased the amountof fungus in th eair

conditioning I have this> > hear I need to run once in a while hte sonic diffusor with theif oil to> > kill it ( mold warriors dct shoemaker )> > Get well> > andif you fel like it would be th emuscl that gets week please post again> > with a neurological title as I do nto alwasy read everything )> > kindly Marie> >> > *From:* Lorrie Richter > > *To:* mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:43 PM> > *Subject:* Hard to breathe--herx?> >> >> > All,> >> > I recently increased my coiling time and am suffering the usual increase> > in herx. (I am only coiling for Lyme right now.) However,

I seemed to> > finally be on the upside of this one when I started noticing trouble> > breathing. Today was worse than yesterday, which was same/slightly worse> > than the day before. So I was going up and now am going back down. If I am> > lying down, preferably trying to sleep, I have an easier time breathing. If> > I am up and moving around, I start feeling winded pretty quickly. Even> > lying here typing is bringing it on worse. My heart rate tonight was 100> > when I checked, but 90-100 and sometimes higher is fairly normal for me.> >> > I had this happen one time before for a little while, but it was before I> > started coiling. My dr at the time (who did not understand Lyme) felt like> > it had to do with my GI tract (? didn't make much sense to me), but a full> > work-up including endo- and colonoscopy showed nothing but a

little> > gastritis. After learning about flares, I realized that the last episode> > hit during a spring flare, but isn't it early for fall flare? I was doing> > some homeopathy at the time, don't remember exactly what they had me on,> > and it eventually went away on its own. But that doesn't make me feel any> > better about it.> >> > The weather in AL has been brutal this summer, with either temps or heat> > indices in the triple digits (like 108). I don't go outside much and keep> > the air down to 71 degrees in the house, plus a fan blowing on me besides,> > but I know that the weather can still impact us through changes in> > pressure, fronts, etc.> >> > I have noticed that when I'm not paying attention, my breathing has become> > very shallow. Once I notice, I try to breathe deeper, but the feeling of>

> not getting enough air doesn't go away. No cough or anything similar.> > Benadryl does seem to help, but it may just be because I usually take it> > before lying down. To be safe, I'm stopping all supplements that I haven't> > been taking for a long time, such as magnesium. Whatever this is, it makes> > me crave cold water, and it completely saps my energy (what little I might> > have to begin with, that is). Also, loss of appetite (worse than usual),> > but my body lets me know when I've ignored food for too long. I'm eating at> > least two times a day, but usually smaller meals, like maybe just some> > brown rice or something.> >> > I'm at a loss here. Any help on this would be much appreciated.> >> > Hope all are seeing better days,> > Lorrie> >> >> >> > >

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July 28, 2012

I'll switch colors here to hopefully keep this less confusing. Thank you so much for your answers, Marie. I learned a lot. I have a few more questions and comments that I will put with your comments below. Anyone is welcome to help answer or give another viewpoint. Just please make sure we can tell who is saying each part. Thanks again!Hope all are having better days. Lorrie> > > > > **> > >> > >> > > Hie Lorry ,> > > This si typicallyone of my herx symptoms if I do ti to much .> > > to get rid of it he reis what i do> > > a colema it rinse my intestin and the liver works much better half an> > > hour to two hours after the colema it i smuch better> > > if you do nto have a colema severla aenmas may help instead> > > I tale also 1g of vit C +600mg of COQ +1200mg of magnesium all are> > > excellent for the heart providing you do not have low> > > blood pressure then decrese the magnesium and take some licorice tea.> > > I also have a welding bottle of oxygene with a regulator . the welding O2> > > is 98% O2 instead of 100% a dct told me that it wroks as well . I uses> > > for my ozone also and needless to say O3 get rid of theses symtpoms at the> > > speed of light but I had it at home because of my paralysi I would not buy> > > it just for this .> > >> > > a second possibility would beif it looks a littl ebit like asthma that> > > heat has increased the amountof fungus in th eair conditioning I have this> > > hear I need to run once in a while hte sonic diffusor with theif oil to> > > kill it ( mold warriors dct shoemaker )> > > Get well> > > andif you fel like it would be th emuscl that gets week please post again> > > with a neurological title as I do nto alwasy read everything )> > > kindly Marie> > >> > > *From:* Lorrie Richter lorrie_richter@> > > *To:* mailto:Lyme_and_Rife%40yahoogroups.com> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:43 PM> > > *Subject:* Hard to breathe--herx?> > >> > >> > > All,> > >> > > I recently increased my coiling time and am suffering the usual increase> > > in herx. (I am only coiling for Lyme right now.) However, I seemed to> > > finally be on the upside of this one when I started noticing trouble> > > breathing. Today was worse than yesterday, which was same/slightly worse> > > than the day before. So I was going up and now am going back down. If I am> > > lying down, preferably trying to sleep, I have an easier time breathing. If> > > I am up and moving around, I start feeling winded pretty quickly. Even> > > lying here typing is bringing it on worse. My heart rate tonight was 100> > > when I checked, but 90-100 and sometimes higher is fairly normal for me.> > >> > > I had this happen one time before for a little while, but it was before I> > > started coiling. My dr at the time (who did not understand Lyme) felt like> > > it had to do with my GI tract (? didn't make much sense to me), but a full> > > work-up including endo- and colonoscopy showed nothing but a little> > > gastritis. After learning about flares, I realized that the last episode> > > hit during a spring flare, but isn't it early for fall flare? I was doing> > > some homeopathy at the time, don't remember exactly what they had me on,> > > and it eventually went away on its own. But that doesn't make me feel any> > > better about it.> > >> > > The weather in AL has been brutal this summer, with either temps or heat> > > indices in the triple digits (like 108). I don't go outside much and keep> > > the air down to 71 degrees in the house, plus a fan blowing on me besides,> > > but I know that the weather can still impact us through changes in> > > pressure, fronts, etc.> > >> > > I have noticed that when I'm not paying attention, my breathing has become> > > very shallow. Once I notice, I try to breathe deeper, but the feeling of> > > not getting enough air doesn't go away. No cough or anything similar.> > > Benadryl does seem to help, but it may just be because I usually take it> > > before lying down. To be safe, I'm stopping all supplements that I haven't> > > been taking for a long time, such as magnesium. Whatever this is, it makes> > > me crave cold water, and it completely saps my energy (what little I might> > > have to begin with, that is). Also, loss of appetite (worse than usual),> > > but my body lets me know when I've ignored food for too long. I'm eating at> > > least two times a day, but usually smaller meals, like maybe just some> > > brown rice or something.> > >> > > I'm at a loss here. Any help on this would be much appreciated.> > >> > > Hope all are seeing better days,> > > Lorrie> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

July 28, 2012

HI Barbara

yes and the MMS on the skin does a wonderfull job you do very right by ramping up and also remeber how helpfull is the coelma for theses .

for the oral it doe snto matter if it is exactly every hour as it owrks in fact two hours the MMS so just do it the way you can and it will do the job I put a timer in fact a strong alrm clock before I drink it to make sure I do noto forget .

For nausea I forgot to mention peper mint teintur eit works pretty well

for fighting contipation with bibder ther eis the magnesium citrate that do well i use to take up to 5 per meal withte binder I now need just 2

also I take a mixture of prune juice flax seed ground and I take spinach ever day if needed I preapre it ahead of tiem and add in my last meal a half cup .

I foudn also that uting in th ebulb once a day the mms I drink same quantity I drin bu tin th ebulb makes a bowel mvt I do it in the afternoon and I do the silver in the morning in th ecoffee aenema .

last I take a littl table ot put in front of me to elevate the feet like in the old age water closet . it is anatomic the leg then properly beneded push naturally on the tommy ressing gently where it should .

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 5:57 PMSubject: Re: Re: Hard to breathe--herx?

hi lorrie,

the mag oil, transdermal, bypasses the g.i. system, going directly to the muscles and cells. often, with chronic illness, our g.i. system doesn't work well and we lose the ability to absorb nutrients. also, the oral mag. can form biofilms that the pathogens can hide in, exchange info, etc., making then harder to get. maries mentioned some good points about this.

my understanding is that you can pass lyme to your unborn baby, so there is a good chance the kids both have it. not sure about the co-infections, but why not? i also had some positive bands on the tests, he called it 'indertermenant' (sp). but the symptoms and possible exposure and the herxing when coiling, i have it.

the hot feeling all over is also what i have. dr said the cyclical nature of my night sweats, air hunger, heart palps, nausea, anxiety, are probably babesia. the irritability, sweats, fatigue and a few others are probably bart. when i coil for each i herx so i know i have them. i am wondering if your family has them also.

there are several sites that lists the symptoms of each. much overlap of symptoms, but each has a few distinct ones. can someone help out here as right now i don't know where they are. jim usually has good info sites.

just read marie's response. some good stuff, and better explanation on the biofilms then me. i'm not real good on some of the technical info. the mms is great to help in the killing. however, when i tried to do several drops a day transdermal, it killed off too much and sent me into a big herx. so if you do the transdermal, go very slow to see how you react. the herxes orally were easier as i slowly worked up to 16 drops without too much problem. my struggle now is consistently taking it every hour, even with the pre-mixed doses. guess i need to engage a timer.

orally is the best way to start the mms. there is info about preparing a days doses in 32 oz. of water and drinking 4 oz of it every hour. if you do this you can't add the dmso. i started out using the dmso with each dose and think it helped to heal some gut issues. (also helped the taste). i was very nauseous (not a herx, just the way it was daily) in the beginning and after about 2 mos. of fairly low doses, it really improved.

bart can cause really bad nausea and fatigue. also, anxiety or that nervous system problems you mentioned. bart and babs can cause a special kind of 'crazy'. then, with a herx of those, it is increased. hard on other family members. but there is a great deal of overlap in these bugs so sometimes hard to tell which one is doing what. by treating for only 1 at a time it is easier to tell what is causing what.

consider the enemas and coffee enemas if you aren't already doing them. i didn't see much improvement for the first couple yrs of coiling as i didn't know about available detox protocols. i was killing them, but couldn't get the toxins out of my system. detoxing with c.e was the turning point for me. so detoxing is becoming very important to me as most here.

if you don't have constipation you can use a lot of binder which is very helpful. if you do have it, start using them slowly to see what will work best without causing more problems. also, you will need to take things to stimulate to keep things moving. i use 10k mg. of vit c every a.m., and also either senna, oxy powder, cascara segrada at night. even then, it is a constant battle. but you must keep the plumbing moving.

well, this is getting long, which i do to a fault. i know there is more i haven't answered and i tend to ramble. let me know what i missed or what else i can share. sounds like we have much in common. some of these symptoms i have not heard others talk about. could we be unique??

take care

barbara