Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Hi , I wanted to give you a belated welcome! I somehow missed this post of yours. I'm glad you've made the decision to get free of the drugs and heal yourself using nutrition. It's a very positive choice. I wanted to address something you said in your introduction. You said: <<I am not sure that I can get off Prozac without the depression returning but I sure want to try. Something runs in my family - my mother tried a few times to kill herself, my sister did kill herself, my other sister had a " nervous breakdown " and was hospitalized, my daughter has been diagnosed as bipolar which she does not believe, and her daughter has been diagnosed I believe as " borderline " and she has been prescribed Prozac and I believe she is taking them now. We are not in touch with each other, mostly due to the raging emotions we all share causing discord. I have tried suicide twice in my life, once when I was 12 years old. >> ***We have heard this kind of thing over and over. Many people end up believing they have a family history of mental illness, simply because these kinds of symptoms run in their families. Well, something DOES run in your family, but it isn't mental illness. Nutrient deficiencies cause all of these " raging emotions " kinds of symptoms...and then psychiatric drugs make them all worse. Your family has a problem with nutrient deficiency. A mother with nutrient deficiencies passes them on to her babies in utero, and when the children are raised on the standard American diet, it only gets worse. You probably all have blood sugar issues as well, which will definitely cause the raging emotions you describe. It is truly tragic that our medical system fails to recognize the nutritional basis for most emotional symptoms, and instead chooses to prescribe toxic, damaging drugs that end up making things worse. Nutritional treatment is efficient and effective. The pharmaceutical companies don't want you to know that. You don't have to worry about your depressive symptoms returning after the Prozac. When people experience overwhelming symptoms after discontinuing a psych drug, it isn't a re-emergence of their mental illness. It's withdrawal. We will help you minimize withdrawal, and will help you with a nutrient protocol that will help you recover from the damage done by the drug and also treat your original problems. I hope this helps set your mind at ease. Regards, Kim moderator -- KIM DENISE FINE ART www.Kim.com Fine Art Gifts www.CafePress.com/Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Hi Jenifer, Welcome to the group! Could you give us a few more details please, how did you come off the Abilify? (over what time period, making what reductions?) Stay resistant to being put onto any more drugs, say NO. How long have you been on the three meds you are currently taking? Could you also tell us what your diet is like, there is no judgement on this, but food is the key to getting rid of things like depression and anxiety. If you are comfortable with it could you please post a 5 day diary of your food? Have you had a chance to look at the files? There is alot of information in there, that you will find helpful. , our list owner, will get back to you as soon as she can with more specifics. This is a safe place to be, I am so glad you found us. With Love and Understanding x PS. Sorry for what must seem like a bombardment of questions, the more we know , the easier it is to give you the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Hi Jenifer, Welcome to the group! I took a look at your website (I can't not look at dogs), and I am delighted to see that you are comfortable with an alternative view of health care. This will help you recognize that these drugs you've been given do nothing to improve health and instead make people sicker. Just an example--your pacing and nameless restlessness are caused by the drugs. These symptoms have nothing to do with your own emotional state--they are purely drug-induced. And I noticed that you were originally hospitalized for depression, but now you have a bipolar and GAD diagnosis. I'm willing to bet that you continued to develop new and worse symptoms after you were medicated for the depression. That wasn't a coincidence! While it is challenging to get off these drugs, it is certainly doable. We have many, many members who have gotten off a number of psychotropic drugs and gone on to have productive, fulfilling lives. The key to success is in our approach. We advocate slow, careful withdrawal, combined with proper diet and appropriate supplementation to provide the level of nutrients the body needs to heal. Take some time to read through the materials you recieved when you joined, as they will give you a good basic overview of what we do here. Please feel free to ask questions. Please don't make any reductions in dose until we've discussed this further. Your case is somewhat complex, involving a number of drugs and a number of discontinuations already, and the more carefully you approach the withdrawal, the better your outcome will be. Please note that you cannot divide the Effexor or Depakote pills or capsules that you are taking, as they are the extended-release forms of the drugs. We'll be happy to dicuss this further. I'm glad you found us! Regards, Kim moderator -- KIM DENISE FINE ART www.Kim.com Fine Art Gifts www.CafePress.com/Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Hi Kim and thank you for your welcome. It's interesting to know that my restlessness is caused by the drugs. I have also been experiencing a new sleep phenomenon, I wake up every hour, sometimes several times in the hour, until I get up. Makes for very broken sleep. However, I am not really tired during the day and it does not take away my pacing and restlessness. Before I was hospitalized I was never on any psychotropic drugs, didn't believe in them! Then I was plunged into anxiety so bad I didnt know what to do with myself and was afraid to go anywhere. I was given klonopin and paxil, and the klonopin broke the anxiety, and then the depression hit. I stuck it out for a month before I hit rock bottom and was hospitalized. I have been on klonopin, paxil, neurontin, remeron, seroquel, abilify, effexor xr, depakote er, and cymbalta. I am very interested to hear how I can help my body heal, what to supplement with, how to taper down on the three remaining meds. I have to be honest though, I am very scared about going off, as I never ever want to be in that horrible depressed state ever again! Thanks again, Jenifer > Hi Jenifer, > > Welcome to the group! > > > I took a look at your website (I can't not look at dogs), and I am > delighted to see that you are comfortable with an alternative view of > health care. This will help you recognize that these drugs you've > been given do nothing to improve health and instead make people > sicker. > > > Just an example--your pacing and nameless restlessness are caused by > the drugs. These symptoms have nothing to do with your own emotional > state--they are purely drug-induced. And I noticed that you were > originally hospitalized for depression, but now you have a bipolar and > GAD diagnosis. I'm willing to bet that you continued to develop new > and worse symptoms after you were medicated for the depression. That > wasn't a coincidence! > > > While it is challenging to get off these drugs, it is certainly > doable. We have many, many members who have gotten off a number of > psychotropic drugs and gone on to have productive, fulfilling lives. > > > The key to success is in our approach. We advocate slow, careful > withdrawal, combined with proper diet and appropriate supplementation > to provide the level of nutrients the body needs to heal. > > > Take some time to read through the materials you recieved when you > joined, as they will give you a good basic overview of what we do > here. Please feel free to ask questions. > > > Please don't make any reductions in dose until we've discussed this > further. Your case is somewhat complex, involving a number of drugs > and a number of discontinuations already, and the more carefully you > approach the withdrawal, the better your outcome will be. > > > Please note that you cannot divide the Effexor or Depakote pills or > capsules that you are taking, as they are the extended-release forms > of the drugs. We'll be happy to dicuss this further. > > > I'm glad you found us! > > Regards, > Kim > moderator > > > > > > -- > KIM DENISE FINE ART > www.Kim.com > > Fine Art Gifts > www.CafePress.com/Kim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 > > Hi Jenifer, > > Welcome to the group! Thanks! > Could you give us a few more details please, how did you come off > the Abilify? Well over a year. I came off of it in a 2-3 week period, going from 30mg to 15mg, to 7.5mg. I had a four day depression and have my restlessness/pacing and broken sleep, but am doing OK. I don't have any other withdrawal symptoms that I recognize. > How long have you been on the three meds you are currently taking? > I have been on the Depakote and the Effexor for two years, the Cymbalta is new, so approximately 6 months. > Could you also tell us what your diet is like, there is no judgement > on this, but food is the key to getting rid of things like > depression and anxiety. If you are comfortable with it could you > please post a 5 day diary of your food? Actually, I haven't really had much of an appetite lately. I drink a lot of tea, but don't eat that much. I will work on a five day food diary. > > Have you had a chance to look at the files? There is alot of > information in there, that you will find helpful. Yes I have been reading the files, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 << I am very scared about going off, as I never ever want to be in that horrible depressed state ever again!>> What is causing you to want to come off the drugs at this point, if you feel they are helping you in some way? <<Before I was hospitalized I was never on any psychotropic drugs, didn't believe in them! Then I was plunged into anxiety so bad I didnt know what to do with myself and was afraid to go anywhere. >> Do you know what caused this suden anxiety? What was going on in your life at the time? Had anything changed suddenly? I think it's interesting that you went from being medicated for suddenly-occurring anxiety symptoms into deep depression and suicidality, to taking up to eight psychotropic medications daily, including antipsychotics, and being diagnosed with bipolar and generalized anxiety disorder. The depression and suicidality didn't occur until after you were given klonopin and Paxil. This is a very common experience....people just tend not to make the connection between the drugs and the symptoms causd by them because doctors put an entirely different slant on the picture. The good news is that people really do recover from all of this and live drug-free. We have many members here who can attest to that! -- KIM DENISE FINE ART www.Kim.com Fine Art Gifts www.CafePress.com/Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 ** Would you please be specific about the drugs you took, how long you were on each, and how long it took you to come off each? , I will do my best here but I have more than average memory loss so there will be holes that I cannot connect. Sorry! Paxil - was on approximately 4-5 months, took probably 1-2 weeks to come off Klonopin - was on maybe a month, maybe two, just stopped taking them Neurontin - was on probably a year 1/2, discontinued by 50% then the other 50% in a period of 2-3 weeks Remeron - was on and off remeron for 1-3 years, discontinued this within a 3 week period Seroquel - was on for about a year, discontinued within a 4 week period Abilify - on for approximately a year, discontinued within a 3-4 week period Effexor XR - have been on for approximately two years Depakote ER - have been on approximately three years Cymbalta - have been on approximately 6 monthsDid it occur to you as each drug was being added that if these drugs worked you wouldn't be taking 8 of them? I trusted my doctors. Stupid huh. Jenifer Elwanger Freedom Cockers American Cockers since 1994 __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Hi Berenice, Welcome to the group. I'm sorry life has dealt you a hand that is a little harder to get by with. It is nice to meet you, though. I don't think there is anything wrong with moving back in with your mum. Being around loving family and friends is an absolutely good thing to be with chronic pain people like us. Love, Becky/SD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Hi, Berenice, Welcome to the group. I I have the same problems you do. I wrote a long note to you , then somehow lost it. I do that sometimes....... Joan Berenice wrote: I joined this group a week or so ago but haven't got around to introducing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Hello , Welcome to the group. I am sorry you are in so much pain and just barely regained insurance so can maybe now get some help with it all. I am so sorry you discovered a lump and have to have a biopsy surgery to see if it is cancer. I hope and pray that it is not cancer! Don't feel bad about being young and having a body like that of someone who has lived more years. I am 29 years old and have areas of my body like that of someone who is 50-60 years old as well. I really hope that with your new insurance, you will be able to get things taken care of now. I am sure your husband and children must have a hard time seeing you in so much pain. I know my husband does sometimes too. Hang in there! Love, Becky in SD wrote: Hello everyone. My name is . I'm a 32 year old mother of 4 (three of my own and a stepdaughter). I have had chronic back pain for many reasons and from many injuries for about 10 years, I also have frequent severe migraines. Included in my back problems is advanced Degenerative Disc Disease. As off the last MRI I had the back of a 50-60 year old woman (disc wise). --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Hi , Like you I have back problems but of a different nature. However I wanted to tell you this. I have a 20 year old daughter who is in the Navy. All the time whilst she was growing up I was in pain & I felt terrible that I was not giving her what she deserved in doing things with her etc. At Christmas just gone she was home on leave for 4 weeks & I was thrilled to have her to myself for a change. One day we were sat down & I started talking to her about when she was growing up. I ended up in tears whilst telling her how much I regretted on what she missed out on. However she just looked at me & said " mum you gave me constant love. You might have been in pain but so what. You were always there to listen to me & help me with my problems. You spent time with me. I know so many of my friends whose mum's were not in pain but never gave them anything like the special time you spent with me. So stop punishing yourself for what you think you did wrong, as you really did everything right. She then went on to buy me a Guess handbag & wallet, Something I would never have bought myself as its much to expensive for me. She looked at me when I opened it & said every day you use that, I want you to know your worth it. You are worth a million times more than that so never feel bad again " I haven't shared that conversation before now. However I had to as I know your kids when they grow up will feel the same. They wont resent what you couldn't give as time & understanding is far more important in the end. Trust me on this one. Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Hi Phil and welcome to our family. As you already know since you've been lurking for a week, this is a very special family. Not only can you get help here, you can receive a whole lot of love and understanding. Everyone here knows what your going through and when you say the word pain, we all hurt with you. Much Love, Carol (OK) Phil wrote: Hi, I've just found the list so I felt that I should introduce myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Phil welcome to the group sorry to meet you under these circumstances I too suffered headaches from Tramadol. I had one everyday 24/7 until I had my doc stop prescribing it for pain. She then put me back on morphine. good luck and I hope you find this group is what you need as far as support Jim I am what I am and thats all that I am ----said a wise man named Popeye check the latest out at : http://www.gargoylesdomain.com ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Hello Phil, Welcome to the group! I am sorry your back decided to turn traitor on you! I hope you are finding some relief. I hope your headache is gone now! I also hope there aren't too many people running around with no heads! <grin> I hope that by working on your book, it will help to take your mind off of the pain some! Love, Becky in SD Phil wrote: Hi, I've just found the list so I felt that I should introduce myself. I'm Phil, 30 something, chap, father of 2 husband of 1, Mr Dad to a toddler throughout the week and chronic pain sufferer. I was in IT doing boring stuff with networks, email and all the other associated electronic wizardry - until my back decided to turn traitor. Since then I have tried to keep body and soul together, work on a book, and get through the days without biting too many heads off. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 P D wrote: > > Anyway, if the syntax of this is a bit scrambled, my apologies, the > back is biting and I'm currently fighting a hideous headache brought > about by the tramadol. > > Regards > Phil Phil, Welcome, my husband is a programmer and just found out the brain cyst he has is growing. He is having trouble writing code. We are looking into getting this cyst removed so he could work at his job. I liked it that you used verbage such as syntax, I knew you were IT as my husband talks the language. I hope you are having less pain and able to keep up with a toddler : ) Bennie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 HI I'm new to the group and just wanted to take a minute and introduce myself. I currently live in Ontario Canada and have suffered from chronic pain for nearly 10 years. I have severe degereative disk disease and end stage renal disease. I have had over 20 sugeries all related to my kidney's and bladder. I have also had 2 failed kidney transplant attempts (both of which were caused by sugical complications). I am 27 years old and am currently working full time (although don't know how much longer I will be able to keep doing it). I look forward to getting to know everyone here. --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Hi D Coultis, Welcome to the group! I am so sorry you have lived in chronic pain and had all that going on for 10 years! I am also young, I am 29 years old. I also have had chronic pain since I was a teenager. I was 16 years old when it began from an intertubing accident. I am so sorry to hear you have had two failed kidney transplants! Are you on dyalisis? I am unable to work and do not know how many out there do work with all that is going on. I hope you can get some relief and maybe even have a successful surgery if you have another one! Although I am so sorry for all that you have to go through, I am glad you found this group. There are so many wonderful and understanding people here. Love, Becky in SD D Coultis wrote: HI I'm new to the group and just wanted to take a minute and introduce myself. I currently live in Ontario Canada and have suffered from chronic pain for nearly 10 years. I have severe degereative disk disease and end stage renal disease. I have had over 20 sugeries all related to my kidney's and bladder. I have also had 2 failed kidney transplant attempts (both of which were caused by sugical complications). I am 27 years old and am currently working full time (although don't know how much longer I will be able to keep doing it). --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Welcome! I've got the DDD in my neck, but no renal problems. How awful that you've had to deal with so much in so few years! What kind of surgical complications occurred with both transplant attempts? Is it a doctor problem, or does your body rebel during surgery? You'll find so much support here; you'll wonder how you ever managed without this group. Well, that is my experience at least. Best wishes to you and again, welcome! in Oregon D Coultis wrote: > Hi I'm new to the group and just wanted to take a minute and introduce myself. I currently live in Ontario Canada and have suffered from chronic pain for nearly 10 years. > I have severe degereative disk disease and end stage renal disease. I have had over 20 sugeries all related to my kidney's and bladder. I have also had 2 failed kidney transplant attempts (both of which were caused by sugical complications). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 --- Tamara Pense wrote: > Thank you so much for the warm welcome. All of this > is new to me, so thank you for giving me a chance to > figure it all out! I would like to go by " Tam. " I > will be sure to use that nickname in my signature. > Thanks again! Hi Tam That's a terrific nickname to use for our group. We don't have anyone with that name. Welcome again. Kaylene ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 wow, RAD is a handful to deal with in itself, I can't imagine dealing with a bpd mom on top of that. Bless your heart for having to go through this but as is often the case with bpd's you are left with no other choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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