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Cam i coiled last friday and as far as detoxing i am just gonna do the age old effective one and drink pure water half my body weight and also take a binder..To much emphasis is placed on all these herbs as detoxifiers when in history water has always been the best ..I think these other detoxifiers for me stir to much up .Cause when i use them i feel so much worse..

Subject: Re: I am sure this will get allot of disagreement.To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 9:25 PM

Terry. Cowden is an MD who got into herbalism. people have been detoxing in various ways for thousands of years and I have never heard of any of these detoxers before. There are literally thousands of things that will promote detoxifing organs, make cells dump toxins, detoxify toxins, bind toxins in the blood and bind them in the guts. I do A LOT, not a couple dropers of a couple things. A lot of people on this forum blend up whole lemons, but Ive never heard of lemon water as a serious detoxer. I believe this sort of approach is just vastly unsubstantial that is why you are having bad results. Are you eating well and organic? Have you made up some essiac yet? try herbs that promote liver, lymph, kidney function, circulation. I would bet that with the amount of coiling you have been doing your systems are just totally over run as evidenced in your lymph problem. Please stop coiling for at least a week, but probably two will be needed. You need to

get your head straight so you can learn how to take care of yourself. Cameron. >> Ok this is my thinking and from researching here online.A binder is an absolute necessity as it helps expell the toxins of lyme faster.But a detoxifier can with some, make things worse and actually stimulate a herx reaction.Why use any detoxifier other than pure water?I am finding anything i take burbur,pinella,lemon water,parsley,are making my symptoms worse. Are they stirring up the toxins to much?I dont want speculation here i want solid facts with proof that my theory is wrong.>

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Cam i eat well i think .No sugar,no caffeine,no wheat,organic beef,chicken,veal,pork,eggs,organic vegtables,organic fruit,lotsa water,no milk ,almond milk,wild salmon and wild other fish.

Subject: Re: I am sure this will get allot of disagreement.To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 9:25 PM

Terry. Cowden is an MD who got into herbalism. people have been detoxing in various ways for thousands of years and I have never heard of any of these detoxers before. There are literally thousands of things that will promote detoxifing organs, make cells dump toxins, detoxify toxins, bind toxins in the blood and bind them in the guts. I do A LOT, not a couple dropers of a couple things. A lot of people on this forum blend up whole lemons, but Ive never heard of lemon water as a serious detoxer. I believe this sort of approach is just vastly unsubstantial that is why you are having bad results. Are you eating well and organic? Have you made up some essiac yet? try herbs that promote liver, lymph, kidney function, circulation. I would bet that with the amount of coiling you have been doing your systems are just totally over run as evidenced in your lymph problem. Please stop coiling for at least a week, but probably two will be needed. You need to

get your head straight so you can learn how to take care of yourself. Cameron. >> Ok this is my thinking and from researching here online.A binder is an absolute necessity as it helps expell the toxins of lyme faster.But a detoxifier can with some, make things worse and actually stimulate a herx reaction.Why use any detoxifier other than pure water?I am finding anything i take burbur,pinella,lemon water,parsley,are making my symptoms worse. Are they stirring up the toxins to much?I dont want speculation here i want solid facts with proof that my theory is wrong.>

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Tea hasnt arrived yet ..((((

Subject: Re: I am sure this will get allot of disagreement.To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 9:25 PM

Terry. Cowden is an MD who got into herbalism. people have been detoxing in various ways for thousands of years and I have never heard of any of these detoxers before. There are literally thousands of things that will promote detoxifing organs, make cells dump toxins, detoxify toxins, bind toxins in the blood and bind them in the guts. I do A LOT, not a couple dropers of a couple things. A lot of people on this forum blend up whole lemons, but Ive never heard of lemon water as a serious detoxer. I believe this sort of approach is just vastly unsubstantial that is why you are having bad results. Are you eating well and organic? Have you made up some essiac yet? try herbs that promote liver, lymph, kidney function, circulation. I would bet that with the amount of coiling you have been doing your systems are just totally over run as evidenced in your lymph problem. Please stop coiling for at least a week, but probably two will be needed. You need to

get your head straight so you can learn how to take care of yourself. Cameron. >> Ok this is my thinking and from researching here online.A binder is an absolute necessity as it helps expell the toxins of lyme faster.But a detoxifier can with some, make things worse and actually stimulate a herx reaction.Why use any detoxifier other than pure water?I am finding anything i take burbur,pinella,lemon water,parsley,are making my symptoms worse. Are they stirring up the toxins to much?I dont want speculation here i want solid facts with proof that my theory is wrong.>

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Hi Jan,I agree with much of what you have written but disagree with your thought that Terry does not want to get well. My thinking is that he is in early stages of treating this vile disease and is both confused and in denial. Trying too many things at once and if it doesn’t immediately improve his symptoms giving up on them. As has been pointed out numerous times it’s a long tough road back to a feeling of somewhat normalcy. If you’re looking for a quick fix you have the wrong illness. A person has to go through the feeling of not wanting to go on any longer in order to keep goin on. Most of us have felt just as terrible as Terry does now and have slowly progressed from there. Sometimes when you’re in the midst of that you lose sight of the fact that there are steps to recovery. Detox, kill, build up, repeat and on and on. As a society we’re used to being ill, going to a doctor, getting a magic pill and feeling better. That doesn’t work here. That’s the denial aspect. It’s hard for some people to understand why you feel worse and are actually getting better because you feel worse. I remember when I first started treatment my wife was harping on me every day to call the doctor because I kept getting worse & worse and I had to remind her every day that this is what the doctor told me to expect and that he said the worse I felt was a good sign. Possibly his doc never explained this to him properly or maybe because of the confusion of this thing it just hasn’t sunk in yet despite many of us telling him exactly that.All that being said, the constant negativity, giving up on a treatment quickly because he feels it’s making his symptoms worse or not helping is damaging to his recovery. Plus it seems to me, and I’m far from being educated about all the various treatments, that Terry is all over the place in trying different things and not sticking to one thing and giving it time to either have a benefit or not including coiling for longer than is recommended to start off. All that is understandable given the confusion that many of us suffer and poor decision making that sometimes affect us, but so many have tried to explain that it’s a long slow process. I sincerely hope that what you have written is taken to heart because I have seen how much effort you have put into the advise you have given and where your heart is.Sometimes people need a kick in the backside and I’m certain that is how you meant your post. I just pray it’s taken in that manner.Thanks & take care,Jeff From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of jan sSent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:47 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: I am sure this will get allot of disagreement. terryThis is a tough love letter going out to you For a normal healthy person this might hold true but for an ill person ,severely ill, water alone cannot flush out the toxins.You have to detox.We have already explained to you that your reactions are not reactions to the herbs or the binders, i=the reactions you are having are simply part of the detoxing you are havingI will be bluntDetox or eventually die from this illness.The list is long from those who have done so from complications to this disease.put up with the extra lightheadedness ,its part of the clearing out of the toxins , or let them store up and they will kill you. You seem resistant to every effort of time I have put into writing you explicit instructions of what happens during detox and I have spent hours of timeand i mean several hours ,teaching you detox basics with only more complaints of how you feel after telling you that as sick as you are these symptoms are part of the healing process that you just haveto put up with.You had the reaction i would expect from everthing you have tried for a day or two.Its a long term illness with no shortcuts to health.Fact two you do not listen to how severe your illness is which affect the detox patternyou complain about your every day symptoms , you complain about the symptoms of healthy detox patterns .It doesnt seem to me that you are truly ready to want to get well.There are no magic bullets to wellness here.Itsa hard work and hard on the body but a full detox that must be a good third of your treatment plan is absolutely necessary1 support your immune system with immune assisting herbs ( not one or two but many.Support your adrenal glands,support your liver2 detox detox detox 3 killing protocolanswer the question of , Do you truly want to get well or not ? if so then you need detoxifiers and binders , and neutralizers.If you dont want to get well go your own way .But be aware it may kill you in the end you can lead a person to fact but you cant make them think.When you get sicker perhaps you will listenI put a lot of time and effort into helping people hours and hours a day You dont seem to want to be helped Re: I am sure this will get allot of disagreement. Posted by: " T.B " candlemn42@... candlemn42@... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:14 pm ((PDT))Tea hasnt arrived yet ..((((Subject: Re: I am sure this will get allot of disagreement.To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 9:25 PM Terry. Cowden is an MD who got into herbalism. people have been detoxing in various ways for thousands of years and I have never heard of any of these detoxers before. There are literally thousands of things that will promote detoxifing organs, make cells dump toxins, detoxify toxins, bind toxins in the blood and bind them in the guts. I do A LOT, not a couple dropers of a couple things. A lot of people on this forum blend up whole lemons, but Ive never heard of lemon water as a serious detoxer. I believe this sort of approach is just vastly unsubstantial that is why you are having bad results. Are you eating well and organic? Have you made up some essiac yet? try herbs that promote liver, lymph, kidney function, circulation. I would bet that with the amount of coiling you have been doing your systems are just totally over run as evidenced in your lymph problem. Please stop coiling for at least a week, but probably two will be needed. You need to getyour head straight so you can learn how to take care of yourself. Cameron. >> Ok this is my thinking and from researching here online.A binder is an absolute necessity as it helps expell the toxins of lyme faster.But a detoxifier can with some, make things worse and actually stimulate a herx reaction.Why use any detoxifier other than pure water?I am finding anything i take burbur,pinella,lemon water,parsley,are making my symptoms worse. Are they stirring up the toxins to much?I dont want speculation here i want solid facts with proof that my theory is wrong. " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fullerhttp://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/

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HI Terry . Jan and Jeff,

It is hard to accept Terry the slavery to treatments we are commited to if we want ot heal . we wrokd har like donckeys no pay and not even a benefit for our helath as it appears over the years !!! some luckyone over the monthes .

I have been looking for the quickest fix now for...

2 years , I think I am th eone on this forum who tryed th emost diffrent things. And I continue to try still I have not found the quick fix neither

the right combination to shorten the recovery . I am mostly motivated as my path for recovery is amazingly slow, I am the snail of this forum

10 seconds of coil in two years ....

I woudl put an other order for prioritizing the treatments

1) detox 1/3

2)detox 1/3

3) detox 1/3

4) killing protocol 1/3

and all the support you want it does not do a lot to me I just takes coQ10 magnesium, on the skin minerals and licorice and ginseng tea to feel better.

remember after 3 consecutive dasy colonics you may see the light in the tunnal .with no money the colema will do a fair job too

Kindly marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:08 AMSubject: RE: Re: I am sure this will get allot of disagreement.

Hi Jan,

I agree with much of what you have written but disagree with your thought that Terry does not want to get well. My thinking is that he is in early stages of treating this vile disease and is both confused and in denial. Trying too many things at once and if it doesn’t immediately improve his symptoms giving up on them. As has been pointed out numerous times it’s a long tough road back to a feeling of somewhat normalcy. If you’re looking for a quick fix you have the wrong illness. A person has to go through the feeling of not wanting to go on any longer in order to keep goin on. Most of us have felt just as terrible as Terry does now and have slowly progressed from there. Sometimes when you’re in the midst of that you lose sight of the fact that there are steps to recovery. Detox, kill, build up, repeat and on and on. As a society we’re used to being ill, going to a doctor,

getting a magic pill and feeling better. That doesn’t work here. That’s the denial aspect. It’s hard for some people to understand why you feel worse and are actually getting better because you feel worse. I remember when I first started treatment my wife was harping on me every day to call the doctor because I kept getting worse & worse and I had to remind her every day that this is what the doctor told me to expect and that he said the worse I felt was a good sign. Possibly his doc never explained this to him properly or maybe because of the confusion of this thing it just hasn’t sunk in yet despite many of us telling him exactly that.

All that being said, the constant negativity, giving up on a treatment quickly because he feels it’s making his symptoms worse or not helping is damaging to his recovery. Plus it seems to me, and I’m far from being educated about all the various treatments, that Terry is all over the place in trying different things and not sticking to one thing and giving it time to either have a benefit or not including coiling for longer than is recommended to start off. All that is understandable given the confusion that many of us suffer and poor decision making that sometimes affect us, but so many have tried to explain that it’s a long slow process.

I sincerely hope that what you have written is taken to heart because I have seen how much effort you have put into the advise you have given and where your heart is.

Sometimes people need a kick in the backside and I’m certain that is how you meant your post. I just pray it’s taken in that manner.

Thanks & take care,

Jeff

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of jan sSent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 5:47 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: I am sure this will get allot of disagreement.

terry

This is a tough love letter going out to you

For a normal healthy person this might hold true but for an ill person ,severely ill, water alone cannot flush out the toxins.You have to detox.We have already explained to you that your reactions are not reactions to the herbs or the binders, i=the reactions you are having are simply part of the detoxing you are having

I will be blunt

Detox or eventually die from this illness.The list is long from those who have done so from complications to this disease.

put up with the extra lightheadedness ,its part of the clearing out of the toxins , or let them store up and they will kill you.

You seem resistant to every effort of time I have put into writing you explicit instructions of what happens during detox and I have spent hours of timeand i mean several hours ,teaching you detox basics with only more complaints of how you feel after telling you that as sick as you are these symptoms are part of the healing process that you just haveto put up with.You had the reaction i would expect from everthing you have tried for a day or two.Its a long term illness with no shortcuts to health.

Fact two you do not listen to how severe your illness is which affect the detox pattern

you complain about your every day symptoms , you complain about the symptoms of healthy detox patterns .It doesnt seem to me that you are truly ready to want to get well.There are no magic bullets to wellness here.Itsa hard work and hard on the body but a full detox that must be a good third of your treatment plan is absolutely necessary

1 support your immune system with immune assisting herbs ( not one or two but many.Support your adrenal glands,support your liver

2 detox detox detox

3 killing protocol

answer the question of , Do you truly want to get well or not ?

if so then you need detoxifiers and binders , and neutralizers.If you dont want to get well go your own way .But be aware it may kill you in the end

you can lead a person to fact but you cant make them think.When you get sicker perhaps you will listen

I put a lot of time and effort into helping people hours and hours a day You dont seem to want to be helped

Re: I am sure this will get allot of disagreement. Posted by: "T.B" candlemn42@... candlemn42@... Date: Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:14 pm ((PDT))Tea hasnt arrived yet ..((((Subject: Re: I am sure this will get allot of

disagreement.To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 9:25 PM Terry. Cowden is an MD who got into herbalism. people have been detoxing in various ways for thousands of years and I have never heard of any of these detoxers before. There are literally thousands of things that will promote detoxifing organs, make cells dump toxins, detoxify toxins, bind toxins in the blood and bind them in the guts. I do A LOT, not a couple dropers of a couple things. A lot of people on this forum blend up whole lemons, but Ive never heard of lemon water as a serious detoxer. I believe this sort of approach is just vastly unsubstantial that is why you are having bad results. Are you eating well and organic? Have you made up some essiac yet? try herbs that promote liver, lymph,

kidney function, circulation. I would bet that with the amount of coiling you have been doing your systems are just totally over run as evidenced in your lymph problem. Please stop coiling for at least a week, but probably two will be needed. You need to getyour head straight so you can learn how to take care of yourself. Cameron. >> Ok this is my thinking and from researching here online.A binder is an absolute necessity as it helps expell the toxins of lyme faster.But a detoxifier can with some, make things worse and actually stimulate a herx reaction.Why use any detoxifier other than pure water?I am finding anything i take

burbur,pinella,lemon water,parsley,are making my symptoms worse. Are they stirring up the toxins to much?I dont want speculation here i want solid facts with proof that my theory is wrong.

"Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller

http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/

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Jan the fact is i am so extremely sick here my typing dont even touch what i am going through to ask me such a ridiculous question do i want to get well .The thing is Jan when i detox its making an already horrendous living situation worse to the point that i am beyond being functionable...I sit here and i research research research in hopes that i can find the answers ...I cant even begin to tell you the suffering i am endoring and that each new modality that i try has done nothing but increase this suffering that i often pray to God to end it for me..If you knew me you would know that i would never say such a thing but i am at my ropes here.Subject:

Re: I am sure this will get allot of disagreement.To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 9:25 PM Terry. Cowden is an MD who got into herbalism. people have been detoxing in various ways for thousands of years and I have never heard of any of these detoxers before. There are literally thousands of things that will promote detoxifing organs, make cells dump toxins, detoxify toxins, bind toxins in the blood and bind them in the guts. I do A LOT, not a couple dropers of a couple things. A lot of people on this forum blend up whole lemons, but Ive never heard of lemon water as a serious detoxer. I believe this sort of approach is just vastly unsubstantial that is why you are having bad results. Are you eating

well and organic? Have you made up some essiac yet? try herbs that promote liver, lymph, kidney function, circulation. I would bet that with the amount of coiling you have been doing your systems are just totally over run as evidenced in your lymph problem. Please stop coiling for at least a week, but probably two will be needed. You need to getyour head straight so you can learn how to take care of yourself. Cameron. >> Ok this is my thinking and from researching here online.A binder is an absolute necessity as it helps expell the toxins of lyme faster.But a detoxifier can with some, make things worse and actually stimulate a herx reaction.Why use any detoxifier other than pure water?I am

finding anything i take burbur,pinella,lemon water,parsley,are making my symptoms worse. Are they stirring up the toxins to much?I dont want speculation here i want solid facts with proof that my theory is wrong.

"Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller

http://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/

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If you feel so bad that you absolutely can’t take anymore can you find a chinese herbalist?   They also treat Lyme but believe that you must ‘clean your house’ before you start killing.  Again Detox, detox etc.  But they do it based on your current condition and what they think you can take at the time.  They ask you questions for about an hour and look at your eyes skin mouth and body before deciding what must be treated first...eg they might say your liver is overwhelmed or your circulation etc I went to one before I started heavy antibiotics and because of the state of me all she would do was clean!  She refused to give me herbs to kill lyme etc as she said my elimination pathways were already choked and my body could not cope. If you can’t do any of what is recommended to cleanse, maybe you need a professional to ‘hold your hand’ through the first stage of this process and Make sure your body is coping with the current load of toxins. In Australia if you find a chinese herbalist they are usually fully qualified doctors in china who study herbs as part of their training as they use them along side antibiotics in hospitals. Good luck From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of T.BSent: Friday, 27 July 2012 1:56 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Re: I am sure this will get allot of disagreement. Jan the fact is i am so extremely sick here my typing dont even touch what i am going through to ask me such a ridiculous question do i want to get well .The thing is Jan when i detox its making an already horrendous living situation worse to the point that i am beyond being functionable...I sit here and i research research research in hopes that i can find the answers ...I cant even begin to tell you the suffering i am endoring and that each new modality that i try has done nothing but increase this suffering that i often pray to God to end it for me..If you knew me you would know that i would never say such a thing but i am at my ropes here.Subject: Re: I am sure this will get allot of disagreement.To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012, 9:25 PM Terry. Cowden is an MD who got into herbalism. people have been detoxing in various ways for thousands of years and I have never heard of any of these detoxers before. There are literally thousands of things that will promote detoxifing organs, make cells dump toxins, detoxify toxins, bind toxins in the blood and bind them in the guts. I do A LOT, not a couple dropers of a couple things. A lot of people on this forum blend up whole lemons, but Ive never heard of lemon water as a serious detoxer. I believe this sort of approach is just vastly unsubstantial that is why you are having bad results. Are you eating well and organic? Have you made up some essiac yet? try herbs that promote liver, lymph, kidney function, circulation. I would bet that with the amount of coiling you have been doing your systems are just totally over run as evidenced in your lymph problem. Please stop coiling for at least a week, but probably two will be needed. You need to getyour head straight so you can learn how to take care of yourself. Cameron. >> Ok this is my thinking and from researching here online.A binder is an absolute necessity as it helps expell the toxins of lyme faster.But a detoxifier can with some, make things worse and actually stimulate a herx reaction.Why use any detoxifier other than pure water?I am finding anything i take burbur,pinella,lemon water,parsley,are making my symptoms worse. Are they stirring up the toxins to much?I dont want speculation here i want solid facts with proof that my theory is wrong. " Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fullerhttp://www.purposefairy.com/4899/15-powerful-things-happy-people-do-differently/