Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Their seems to be so much contradictory information and confusing data on lyme. If something works the reoson for it working does t matter as much as the fact its is working. it is up to the individual to be able to see the results if there are no results even if science says it should work, he won t continue because some judgements are based on experience not science.DamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: its_just_talk@...Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:40:05 +0000Subject: Re: F-SCAM ! Terry - For how long did you take antimicrobials after using 432 Hz.? A couple of weeks?! It's highly unlikely that you put your entire active Bb load into cyst form in that short a time. That would be quite a feat. I challenge you to try 432 Hz. again, and see if you don't herx like mad. I would put money on it, that YOU DO. I stand by everythig I posted. Cysts do not have metabolic function, and they do not produce toxins and therefore they DO NOT create Lyme symptoms. This is recognized by the Lyme reserch community. I challenge you to provide a scientific reference that proves Lyme cysts (round bodies) produce symptoms. Ask your practitioner to provide a scientific reference. I would put money on that, as well, that she comes up empty handed. In my post, I quoted YOUR OWN WORDS, COPIED AND PASTED FROM YOUR OWN POST TO THIS GROUP, wherein you stated yourself, that the practitioner in question told you where the cysts are located. In the nerve endings? No evidence whatsoever. If this is the case - again - can your practitioner provide a scientific reference for Lyme cysts in the nerve endings producing symptoms? BTW - didn't you say you saw a practitioner at Columbia U., where your son goes to school (NOT at Stony Brook)? - Jane > > > > Subject: F-SCAM ! > To: Lyme_and_Rife > Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM > > > > Â > > > > So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware: > > "Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only in > cyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptoms > in cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending." > > IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish. > > Red flags: > > 1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration. > > 2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body. > > 3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community. > > No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense. > > What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion. > > There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis. > > The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it: > > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086 > > http://www.oirf.com/index.html > > BTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website. > > - Jane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Jane i said i saw pat c at stoneybrooke this you know i saw neuros at columbia to and this you know .Pat C from stoneybrooke is a supposily expert in neuro lyme your answer to that is she has no idea about neuro lyme and lyme disease.You mentioned studies done at Stoneybrooke and Yale on lyme Jane remember this is mainstream medicine you are talking about run and monitored by the CDC so who and what are you gonna believe..The studies were they invitro or were there human studies on lyme patients .Invitro studies Jane arent always accurate . Subject: Re: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 2:40 PM Terry - For how long did you take antimicrobials after using 432 Hz.? A couple of weeks?! It's highly unlikely that you put your entire active Bb load into cyst form in that short a time. That would be quite a feat. I challenge you to try 432 Hz. again, and see if you don't herx like mad. I would put money on it, that YOU DO.I stand by everythig I posted. Cysts do not have metabolic function, and they do not produce toxins and therefore they DO NOT create Lyme symptoms. This is recognized by the Lyme reserch community. I challenge you to provide a scientific reference that proves Lyme cysts (round bodies) produce symptoms. Ask your practitioner to provide a scientific reference. I would put money on that, as well, that she comes up empty handed.In my post, I quoted YOUR OWN WORDS, COPIED AND PASTED FROM YOUR OWN POST TO THIS GROUP, wherein you stated yourself, that the practitioner in question told you where the cysts are located. In the nerve endings? No evidence whatsoever. If this is the case - again - can your practitioner provide a scientific reference for Lyme cysts in the nerve endings producing symptoms?BTW - didn't you say you saw a practitioner at Columbia U., where your son goes to school (NOT at Stony Brook)?- Jane> > > > Subject: F-SCAM !> To: Lyme_and_Rife > Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM> > > > Â > > > > So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:> > "Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only in> cyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptoms> in cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."> > IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.> > Red flags:> > 1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.> > 2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.> > 3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.> > No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.> > What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.> > There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.> > The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:> > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086> > http://www.oirf.com/index.html> > BTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.> > - Jane> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 lol jane its almost like your trying to discredit me.My point and i will repeat it again is the fscan i had done i did to help determine what the hell i am treating here.Treating blindly by just using frequencys on the doug coil might work for some but if you are already feeling like hell how do you truly know .I have no regrets doing the scan i believe the results.As far as the practioner i think they are very good they didnt just try to shove antimicrobes at me or homeopaths.They told me we wont treat till your toxic load is down and that i was to stop all killers and do nothing but detox for 2 weeks then be reevaluated with the vega machine and if the load is down then start treatment with antimicrobe herbs,homeopaths,and detox,and yes my doug coil not there rife machine but i will be under there guidance not just randomly doing things here and hoping something sticks Subject: Re: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 2:40 PM Terry - For how long did you take antimicrobials after using 432 Hz.? A couple of weeks?! It's highly unlikely that you put your entire active Bb load into cyst form in that short a time. That would be quite a feat. I challenge you to try 432 Hz. again, and see if you don't herx like mad. I would put money on it, that YOU DO.I stand by everythig I posted. Cysts do not have metabolic function, and they do not produce toxins and therefore they DO NOT create Lyme symptoms. This is recognized by the Lyme reserch community. I challenge you to provide a scientific reference that proves Lyme cysts (round bodies) produce symptoms. Ask your practitioner to provide a scientific reference. I would put money on that, as well, that she comes up empty handed.In my post, I quoted YOUR OWN WORDS, COPIED AND PASTED FROM YOUR OWN POST TO THIS GROUP, wherein you stated yourself, that the practitioner in question told you where the cysts are located. In the nerve endings? No evidence whatsoever. If this is the case - again - can your practitioner provide a scientific reference for Lyme cysts in the nerve endings producing symptoms?BTW - didn't you say you saw a practitioner at Columbia U., where your son goes to school (NOT at Stony Brook)?- Jane> > > From: its_just_talk > Subject: F-SCAM !> To: Lyme_and_Rife > Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM> > > > Â > > > > So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:> > "Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only in> cyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptoms> in cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."> > IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.> > Red flags:> > 1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.> > 2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.> > 3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.> > No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.> > What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.> > There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.> > The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:> > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086> > http://www.oirf.com/index.html> > BTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.> > - Jane> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Terry, I have been reading your posts with great interest. It would be great for the whole Lyme community if the F-Scan or something like it was accurate. I have no direct experience with the F-scan but I have spoken to a few people that have been scanned multiple times and they got totally different results each time they were scanned. If I were in your shoes based on what I have been told I would try getting scanned at least 3 times then compare the results. If the F-scan were proven to be accurate I would get a few people together and jointly purchase one. Terry From: T.B Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:13 PM To: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Re: F-SCAM ! lol jane its almost like your trying to discredit me.My point and i will repeat it again is the fscan i had done i did to help determine what the hell i am treating here.Treating blindly by just using frequencys on the doug coil might work for some but if you are already feeling like hell how do you truly know .I have no regrets doing the scan i believe the results.As far as the practioner i think they are very good they didnt just try to shove antimicrobes at me or homeopaths.They told me we wont treat till your toxic load is down and that i was to stop all killers and do nothing but detox for 2 weeks then be reevaluated with the vega machine and if the load is down then start treatment with antimicrobe herbs,homeopaths,and detox,and yes my doug coil not there rife machine but i will be under there guidance not just randomly doing things here and hoping something sticks Subject: Re: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 2:40 PM Terry - For how long did you take antimicrobials after using 432 Hz.? A couple of weeks?! It's highly unlikely that you put your entire active Bb load into cyst form in that short a time. That would be quite a feat. I challenge you to try 432 Hz. again, and see if you don't herx like mad. I would put money on it, that YOU DO.I stand by everythig I posted. Cysts do not have metabolic function, and they do not produce toxins and therefore they DO NOT create Lyme symptoms. This is recognized by the Lyme reserch community. I challenge you to provide a scientific reference that proves Lyme cysts (round bodies) produce symptoms. Ask your practitioner to provide a scientific reference. I would put money on that, as well, that she comes up empty handed.In my post, I quoted YOUR OWN WORDS, COPIED AND PASTED FROM YOUR OWN POST TO THIS GROUP, wherein you stated yourself, that the practitioner in question told you where the cysts are located. In the nerve endings? No evidence whatsoever. If this is the case - again - can your practitioner provide a scientific reference for Lyme cysts in the nerve endings producing symptoms?BTW - didn't you say you saw a practitioner at Columbia U., where your son goes to school (NOT at Stony Brook)?- Jane> > > > Subject: F-SCAM !> To: Lyme_and_Rife > Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM> > > > Â > > > > So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:> > "Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only in> cyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptoms> in cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."> > IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.> > Red flags:> > 1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.> > 2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.> > 3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.> > No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.> > What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.> > There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.> > The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:> > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086> > http://www.oirf.com/index.html> > BTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.> > - Jane> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 i dont know if my last post to you went through terry but anyways its about a comfort zone with a doc and i felt that there they werent trying to say hey you have to come every week and use our rife machine they were well aware on my intentions they are doing nothing but guiding my treatment thats all the fscan is a very elaborate machine and i think i wouldnt base my assumption on the machine unless the scans were done by a person skilled in the fscan use also there patient load and the success they have with this modality.They arent hurting for buisness so there must be something to there method of treatment.Celeste is a bigger skeptic then i am before i bought the coil she thought i was crazy to even consider using something based on electromagnitism but after talking with you and researching it she no longer a skeptic she had the same feeling with this fscanner and doctor this doctor could have tryed to sell me the house if you know what i mean but that wasnt what they tried to do ..They i feel are trying to guide me properly so i am not here there and everywhere..Its good to be skeptical yes but not good to be narrow minded as you can see from some of this feedback. Subject: Re: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 2:40 PM Terry - For how long did you take antimicrobials after using 432 Hz.? A couple of weeks?! It's highly unlikely that you put your entire active Bb load into cyst form in that short a time. That would be quite a feat. I challenge you to try 432 Hz. again, and see if you don't herx like mad. I would put money on it, that YOU DO.I stand by everythig I posted. Cysts do not have metabolic function, and they do not produce toxins and therefore they DO NOT create Lyme symptoms. This is recognized by the Lyme reserch community. I challenge you to provide a scientific reference that proves Lyme cysts (round bodies) produce symptoms. Ask your practitioner to provide a scientific reference. I would put money on that, as well, that she comes up empty handed.In my post, I quoted YOUR OWN WORDS, COPIED AND PASTED FROM YOUR OWN POST TO THIS GROUP, wherein you stated yourself, that the practitioner in question told you where the cysts are located. In the nerve endings? No evidence whatsoever. If this is the case - again - can your practitioner provide a scientific reference for Lyme cysts in the nerve endings producing symptoms?BTW - didn't you say you saw a practitioner at Columbia U., where your son goes to school (NOT at Stony Brook)?- Jane> > > From: its_just_talk > Subject: F-SCAM !> To: Lyme_and_Rife > Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM> > > > Â > > > > So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:> > "Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only in> cyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptoms> in cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."> > IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.> > Red flags:> > 1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.> > 2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.> > 3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.> > No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.> > What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.> > There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.> > The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:> > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086> > http://www.oirf.com/index.html> > BTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.> > - Jane> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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