Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 jane i truly value your opinion but you and i truly dont know whether it works you mention stoneybrooke ,new haven well i have to tell you i have no faith in there studies remember they are guided by the CDC and i am sure you trust our glourious CDC.I am sure there are many out there who say the doug coil is total rubbish because they dont understand the logic behind it.Please dont call the fscan ,fscam you might be presuading a modality that could help others.Because you arent a believer doesnt mean its a scam.Omnemed is a scam to i would assume as its based on a similar pricipal.You mention Stoneybrooke re3member Jan i saw there top lyme neurologist one who is suppose to be tops with neuro lyme .How do you feel about her?The point i am getting at is dont talk negatively about a modality unless you yourself have actual experience with the modality..And let me ask you another question whats the harm in doing one?The treatment is the same only its a more guided treatment..I guess there thriving practice and patient reviews of the doctors is just plain rubbish to.Somethings in life cant be explained it doesnt mean they dont exist.And i hear it time and time again cysts dont cause symptoms the studies show it well let me ask you are these human studues or invitro..Thinking human studies could answer that better than invitros. Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 When concluded you had lyme in cyst form and at the nerves, what part of the body were the cysts and did they do a frequency session on you. And did you feel anything from the session, did you get a herx reaction or actually feel better. What was your reaction to the f scan session. Do you have spirolittes at all or L form of the lyme.ThanksDamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: candlemn42@...Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:19:32 -0700Subject: Re: F-SCAM ! jane i truly value your opinion but you and i truly dont know whether it works you mention stoneybrooke ,new haven well i have to tell you i have no faith in there studies remember they are guided by the CDC and i am sure you trust our glourious CDC.I am sure there are many out there who say the doug coil is total rubbish because they dont understand the logic behind it.Please dont call the fscan ,fscam you might be presuading a modality that could help others.Because you arent a believer doesnt mean its a scam.Omnemed is a scam to i would assume as its based on a similar pricipal.You mention Stoneybrooke re3member Jan i saw there top lyme neurologist one who is suppose to be tops with neuro lyme .How do you feel about her?The point i am getting at is dont talk negatively about a modality unless you yourself have actual experience with the modality..And let me ask you another question whats the harm in doing one?The treatment is the same only its a more guided treatment..I guess there thriving practice and patient reviews of the doctors is just plain rubbish to.Somethings in life cant be explained it doesnt mean they dont exist.And i hear it time and time again cysts dont cause symptoms the studies show it well let me ask you are these human studues or invitro..Thinking human studies could answer that better than invitros. Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 one last comment she mentioned i had many cysts she didnt mention there location .The confusion here i think your making is that there all in my nerve ending she didnt say that .I told her i understand that lyme in cyst form doesnt cause symptoms there dormant.She stated they still produce toxins and that in neuro lyme they usually find them in the nerve ending... Am i a skeptic like yourself ?Sure i am but i am also a skeptic on the doug coil because i dont know the science behind it. Am i gonna call it a scam absolutly not i am looking at this as a guide to coinfections lyme etc so that i am not treating blindly here and assuming i have this and that when in actuality i have no idea...The treatment is the same irregradless and they will guide me on using the coil what to treat first duration ,herbs,homeopaths,and detox i am tired of assuming this and that with absolutly no guidance but from ppl on here these are docs that deal with this everyday they know what truly works and what doesnt. Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Hi i also agree you cannot make complete judgements on science or theory. Experience and chance sometimes give you more knowledge than scientific facts. Every indidividual is different; with different immune responses and different chemical make up; various diets; enviroments they live in ect....All these factors can contribute to whether something works for them or not. The f scan seems to be interesting it getting lots of attention. The few that do have it seem to have good opinions on it, yet there are so many that don t believe it works. Trying the devise may help form a more true opinion on whether it works or not i suppose. DamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: candlemn42@...Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:19:32 -0700Subject: Re: F-SCAM ! jane i truly value your opinion but you and i truly dont know whether it works you mention stoneybrooke ,new haven well i have to tell you i have no faith in there studies remember they are guided by the CDC and i am sure you trust our glourious CDC.I am sure there are many out there who say the doug coil is total rubbish because they dont understand the logic behind it.Please dont call the fscan ,fscam you might be presuading a modality that could help others.Because you arent a believer doesnt mean its a scam.Omnemed is a scam to i would assume as its based on a similar pricipal.You mention Stoneybrooke re3member Jan i saw there top lyme neurologist one who is suppose to be tops with neuro lyme .How do you feel about her?The point i am getting at is dont talk negatively about a modality unless you yourself have actual experience with the modality..And let me ask you another question whats the harm in doing one?The treatment is the same only its a more guided treatment..I guess there thriving practice and patient reviews of the doctors is just plain rubbish to.Somethings in life cant be explained it doesnt mean they dont exist.And i hear it time and time again cysts dont cause symptoms the studies show it well let me ask you are these human studues or invitro..Thinking human studies could answer that better than invitros. Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 She only mentioned i had lotsa cysts from what the scan was showing as far as location she didnt specify the location of the cysts.I told her i understand that lyme in cyst form doesnt cause symptons she said they still release toxins iregardless.and that in neuro lyme they usually find cysts in the nerve ending Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 exactly damarise its not my mode of treatment its my guide to treatment Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 HiI am at the same stage as you are, i feel confused about what steps to take, i try one thing and then try another, i can t stay one any regime too long, because of distraction, confusion and not seeing qucik results, even though you are treating the lyme through a naturapath your progress is guilded and you will most likely follow a regime instead of guessing what to do. I believe lots in homepathy, i know because it did help me in the past, but the problem was finding a competent homepath doc. i think their are few. For the herbs ect. i tried some i didn t feel any better, it could be i didnt take them long enough. Following a program with guildance seems more logical than just trying this or that. not knowing really what your doing. if might be ok for those focused and deciplined. i know i am not and i am having a hard time following any regime, but on the other hand i would be caustious of what natural path i would be seeing. you need to go with your instincts i guess.DamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: candlemn42@...Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:35:05 -0700Subject: Re: F-SCAM ! one last comment she mentioned i had many cysts she didnt mention there location .The confusion here i think your making is that there all in my nerve ending she didnt say that .I told her i understand that lyme in cyst form doesnt cause symptoms there dormant.She stated they still produce toxins and that in neuro lyme they usually find them in the nerve ending... Am i a skeptic like yourself ?Sure i am but i am also a skeptic on the doug coil because i dont know the science behind it. Am i gonna call it a scam absolutly not i am looking at this as a guide to coinfections lyme etc so that i am not treating blindly here and assuming i have this and that when in actuality i have no idea...The treatment is the same irregradless and they will guide me on using the coil what to treat first duration ,herbs,homeopaths,and detox i am tired of assuming this and that with absolutly no guidance but from ppl on here these are docs that deal with this everyday they know what truly works and what doesnt. Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 my sentiments exactly this guy and his partner have been in practice for many years with lotsa happy patients look at his website guilford holistic...I need guidance blindly treating is and can be dangerous and i am so extremely sick that being my own guinea pig is not smart i need someone with true experience that sees this day in and day out with patients. Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 jane and yes i reacted very strongly to 432 you are right.But afterwards i went back on samento,banderol,allimax,oregano oil,not all at one time but i been on them everyday..So me having nothing but lyme in cysts could very well be right as the herbals put them into cyst form. Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Terry - For how long did you take antimicrobials after using 432 Hz.? A couple of weeks?! It's highly unlikely that you put your entire active Bb load into cyst form in that short a time. That would be quite a feat. I challenge you to try 432 Hz. again, and see if you don't herx like mad. I would put money on it, that YOU DO. I stand by everythig I posted. Cysts do not have metabolic function, and they do not produce toxins and therefore they DO NOT create Lyme symptoms. This is recognized by the Lyme reserch community. I challenge you to provide a scientific reference that proves Lyme cysts (round bodies) produce symptoms. Ask your practitioner to provide a scientific reference. I would put money on that, as well, that she comes up empty handed. In my post, I quoted YOUR OWN WORDS, COPIED AND PASTED FROM YOUR OWN POST TO THIS GROUP, wherein you stated yourself, that the practitioner in question told you where the cysts are located. In the nerve endings? No evidence whatsoever. If this is the case - again - can your practitioner provide a scientific reference for Lyme cysts in the nerve endings producing symptoms? BTW - didn't you say you saw a practitioner at Columbia U., where your son goes to school (NOT at Stony Brook)? - Jane > > > > Subject: F-SCAM ! > To: Lyme_and_Rife > Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM > > > >  > > > > So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware: > > " Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only in > cyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptoms > in cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending. " > > IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish. > > Red flags: > > 1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration. > > 2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body. > > 3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community. > > No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense. > > What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion. > > There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or " EDS " . It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis. > > The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it: > > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086 > > http://www.oirf.com/index.html > > BTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website. > > - Jane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Hii am curious about the fact that you are using an f scan. did they do frequencie on you to target the cysts, and do you feel it is working or the frequencies they gave you did you try it on a coil and did you feel results. the frequencies they sugested are they for lyme or somthing else. please let me knowthanksdamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: candlemn42@...Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:48:53 -0700Subject: RE: F-SCAM ! my sentiments exactly this guy and his partner have been in practice for many years with lotsa happy patients look at his website guilford holistic...I need guidance blindly treating is and can be dangerous and i am so extremely sick that being my own guinea pig is not smart i need someone with true experience that sees this day in and day out with patients. Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Hi i don t take lots of herbs, but i started using lots of vitamine C, only because it easy for me to take. Does thatcause cysts also.DamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: candlemn42@...Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:57:03 -0700Subject: Re: F-SCAM ! jane and yes i reacted very strongly to 432 you are right.But afterwards i went back on samento,banderol,allimax,oregano oil,not all at one time but i been on them everyday..So me having nothing but lyme in cysts could very well be right as the herbals put them into cyst form. Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 damarise i did the fscan to get an idea what i have as far as lyme and its coinfections nothing else.The fscan is not treating me it was only done to get an understanding on what i will be treating..Right now i am to do no killing whatsoever i am just to detox till i see them again at which point they are going to do a vega scan to see where my toxic load is and if its down i will then restart treatment with my coil,herbs ,homeopaths,detox,but it will be under doctor guidance and not just randomly doing this and that..If this shyt kills me i have at least tryed all avenues here..Doing this halfass and being all over the place is making me sicker and sicker.So dont need doctor guidance i do. Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 from what i understand anything that antimicrobial whether herbs or pharm will cause the bacteriam to go into cyst form.Thats my understanding anyways Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Per my understanding the Abx is forcing the Lyme into Cysts, but the herbals should help resolve the cysts and help you get rid of them. At least some of them are Cyst Busters specifically. Also Fasigyn and Flagyl are cyst busters, and should unfold the cyst, where the Coil comes handy.You wait the Cyst to burst and nuke them all. Take car. Nevenka From: T.B Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:04 PM To: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: RE: F-SCAM ! from what i understand anything that antimicrobial whether herbs or pharm will cause the bacteriam to go into cyst form.Thats my understanding anyways Subject: F-SCAM !To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:"Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only incyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptomsin cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending."IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.Red flags:1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086http://www.oirf.com/index.htmlBTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.- Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 With regard to verifiability of presence of cysts. I had one, after one week of doxy last year. I didn't actually know I had one until I re-started homeopathic treatment, which brought it out to the surface of my skin, and I felt it with my fingers and realised what it was. It disappeared over the next couple of days, simply because the doxy was no longer there in my body to provoke it.Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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